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This page is designed to help users who are not familiar with firearms that are both in and out of service with the U.S military to help discover inaccuracies and/or anachronisms similar to the purpose of the gun identification guides on the wiki.

Handguns

In Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Beretta M9	9x19mm	15	1985 - Present	M9	All Services
SIG-Sauer P320 Full Size	9x19mm .45 ACP	17, 21 10	2017 - Present	M17 Modular Handgun System	United States Army
SIG-Sauer P320 Carry	9x19mm .45 ACP	17, 21 10	2017 - Present	M18 Modular Handgun System	All services
SIG-Sauer P228	9x19mm	13, 15	1993 - Present	M11	United States Army United States Air Force US Army CID NCIS (Formerly)
SIG-Sauer P226	9x19mm	15	1980s - Present	Mk 25 Mod 0	NSWC
SIG-Sauer P229	.40 S&W	12	???? - Present	P229 DAK	United States Coast Guard CGIS NCIS
SIG-Sauer P239	.40 S&W	7	???? - Present	P239 DAK	NCIS CGIS
Beretta M9A1	9x19mm	15, 17	2006 - Present	M9A1	United States Marine Corps
MEU(SOC)	.45 ACP	7	1986 - Present	M45 MEU(SOC)	MARSOC United States Marine Corps Force Reconnaissance
Kimber ICQB	.45 ACP	8	2003 - Present	Kimber ICQB	MARSOC
Colt Rail Gun	.45 ACP	7	2012 - Present	M45A1 CQBP	MARSOC
Mark 23	.45 ACP	12	1996 - Present	Mk 23 Mod 0	SOCOM
M1911A1	.45 ACP	7	1924 - Present	M1911A1	MARSOC 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta
HK45CT	.45 ACP	10	2010 - Present	Mk 24 Mod 0 Combat Assault Pistol	NSWC
Glock 19	9x19mm	15, 17	2015 - Present	Mk 27 Mod 0 (NSWC & MARSOC, Gen 4) M007 (USMC CID, 19M)	SOCOM United States Air Force United States Marine Corps
Heckler & Koch P11	7.62mmx36 steel darts	5	??? - Present	P11	SOCOM
Glock 22	.40 S&W	15	2003 - Present	Glock 22	1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta
Glock 26	9x19mm	10, 12	??? - Present	Mk 26 Mod 0	NSWC
Glock 17	9x19mm	17	???? - Present	Mk 28 Mod 0	SOCOM

Out of Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Harper's Ferry Model 1805	.54 caliber	1	1805 - 18??		United States Army United States Navy
Johnson Model 1836	.54 caliber	1	1836 - 18??		United States Army
Colt Paterson 1836	.36 caliber	5	1836 - 1847	Colt Model 1848 Percussion Army Revolver	United States Army
Elgin Cutlass Pistol	.54 caliber	1	1838 - 186?		United States Navy
Model 1842 Percussion Navy Pistol	.54 caliber	1	1842 - 18??		United States Navy
Colt Walker	.44 caliber	6	1847 - 1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Colt Dragoon	.44 caliber	6	1848 - 1865	Colt Model 1848 Percussion Army Revolver	United States Army
Starr 1858 Army	.44 caliber	6	1858 - 186?		United States Army
Augustin Model 1851	17,1 mm	61	1861-1865		United States Army
Allen & Thurber Pepperbox	.32 caliber	6	1861-1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Beaumont-Adams Revolver	.36 caliber	6	1861-1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Lefaucheux Model 1854	12mmm Pinfire	6	1861-1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Lefaucheux Model 1858	12mmm Pinfire	6	1861-1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Savage 1861 Navy	.36 caliber	6	1861-1865		United States Army United States Navy Confederate States Army
Smith & Wesson Model 1	.22 short	7	1861-1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Smith & Wesson Model 2	.32 rimfire	6	1861-1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Kerr revolver	.44 caliber	5	1861-1865		Confederate States Army
LeMat Revolver	Various	9 (revolver), 1 (underbarrel shotgun)	1861-1865		Confederate States Army
Remington 1858 New Army	.44 caliber	6	1861-1870s	Remington Model 1858 New Army	United States Army
Colt 1860 Army	.44 caliber	6	1861 – 1870s	Colt Model 1860	United States Army
Colt 1861 Navy	.44 caliber	6	1861 – 1870s	Colt Model 1861	United States Army
Griswold & Gunnison Revolver	.36 caliber	6	1862-1865		Confederate States Army
Colt 1873 Single Action Army	.45 Colt	6	1873 – 1902 (with some later use)	M1873	United States Army
Smith & Wesson Schofield	.45 Schofield	6	1875-1895	Smith & Wesson Schofield	United States Army
M1889	.38 Long Colt	6	1889 - 1909 (with some later use)	M1889	United States Navy United States Army
Colt M1892	.38 Long Colt	6	1892 - 1909 (with some later use)	M1892	United States Army United States Navy
Colt New Service	.45 ACP	6	1909 - 1945 (with some later use)	M1909	All Branches
M1911	.45 ACP	7	1911 - 1924	M1911	All Branches
Colt M1917	.45 ACP	6	1917 - 1954 (with some later use)	M1917	United States Marine Corps United States Army MACV-SOG
S&W M1917	.45 ACP	6	1917 - 1954 (with some later use)	M1917	United States Marine Corps United States Army MACV-SOG
Colt Model 1903	.32 ACP	8	1939 - 1970s	Model 1903	United States Army officers United States Air Force officers Office of Strategic Services officers
M8 flare pistol	37mm	1	1942 - 2002	AN/M8 Pyrotechnic Pistol	All Branches
Smith & Wesson Model 12	.38 Special	6	1953 - ??	M13	United States Air Force
Smith & Wesson 39	9x19mm	8, 14	1955 - 1975	Mk 22 Mod 0	United States Navy SEALs NSWC
High Standard HDM	.22 LR	10	1942 - ????	SNL B-32	OSS United States Marine Corps Special Forces
Browning Hi-Power	9x19mm	13	Vietnam War	Browning Hi-Power	Special forces
Welrod Mark II	.32 ACP	8	Used in Vietnam, unclear when adopted or when / if retired	.32 Hand Firing Mechanism Mk. 1	MACV SOG
MBA Gyrojet	13mm	6	Vietnam War		MACV-SOG
Smith & Wesson Model 15	.38 Special	6	1962 - 1992	M15	United States Air Force Military Police
Ruger Service Six	.38 Special	6	1978 - 1993	GS32-N	United States Army United States Navy United States Air Force
M15 General Officer's Pistol	.45 ACP	7	1972 - 1981	M15	United States Army General officers
Semmerling LM4	.45 ACP	4	Late 70s-unknown		United States Army "Government agencies"
Walther P5	9x19mm	8	19??-????		Detachment A

Shotguns

In Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Mossberg 500	12 gauge	5+1, 8+1	??? - Present	M500	All Branches
Mossberg 590	12 gauge	5+1, 8+1	??? - Present	M590	United States Army
Mossberg 590A1	12 gauge	5+1, 8+1	2004 - Present (Navy) 2005 - Present (Army)	M590A1	United States Navy United States Army
Remington 870	12 gauge	4+1, 7+1	1950s - Present	M870	All Branches
Benelli M4 Super 90	12 gauge	4+1, 7+1	1999 - Present	M1014	United States Marine Corps United States Navy SEALs United States Army
M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System	12 gauge	5	2010 - Present	M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System	United States Army

Out of Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Remington Model 11	12 gauge	5	1905-1950	Model 11	All Branches
Winchester Model 1897	12 gauge	5	1910s - 1960s (saw very limited use in the Vietnam War)	Model 97/M97	All Branches
Remington Model 10	12 gauge	6	1910s - 1930s	Model 10-A	United States Marine Corps
Winchester Model 1912	12 gauge	5	1910s - 1960s	Model 12/M12	All Branches
Stevens Model 520	12 gauge	5	???? - 1960s	Model 520	United States Army
Stevens Model 620	12 gauge	5	???? - 1960s	Model 620	United States Army
Ithaca 37	12 gauge	4	1940s - 1980s	M37	United States Marine Corps
Remington Model 31	12 gauge	4	1940s	Model 31	United States Army
Remington 7188	12 gauge	8	1967 - 1970s	Model 7188 Mk 1/2/3/4/5/6	United States Navy SEALs
Winchester Model 1200	12 gauge	6	1968 - Early Eighties	Model 1200	United States Army

Submachine Guns

In Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Heckler & Koch MP5A3	9x19mm	30	??? - Present	MP5A3	SOCOM
Heckler & Koch MP5K	9x19mm	15, 30	??? - Present	MP5K	SOCOM
Heckler & Koch MP5KN	9x19mm	30	??? - Present	MP5KN	United States Navy
Heckler & Koch MP5SD	9x19mm	30	??? - Present	MP5SD	SOCOM
Heckler & Koch MP5N	9x19mm	30	1986 - Present	MP5N	United States Navy United States Marine Corps Force Reconnaissance
Heckler & Koch MP7A1	4.6x30mm	20, 40	??? - Present	MP7A1	United States Navy SEALs United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group
Colt 9mm SMG (RO635)	9mm	32	??? - Present	Colt 9mm SMG (RO635)	United States Marine Corps
Brügger & Thomet APC9 K	9x19mm	30	2019 - Present	Sub Compact Weapon (SCW)	United States Army Military Police United States Air Force

Out of Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
M1921 Thompson	.45 ACP	20 50	1926-????		United States Marine Corps
M1928 Thompson	.45 ACP	20 30 50	1938–1942	M1928	United States Marine Corps United States Army United States Navy
M1928A1 Thompson	.45 ACP	20 30 50	1938–1942	M1928A1	United States Marine Corps United States Army United States Navy
Reising M50	.45 ACP	12 20	1941–1953	M50	United States Coast Guard United States Marine Corps
M1 Thompson	.45 ACP	20 30	1942–1971	M1	United States Marine Corps United States Army
M1A1 Thompson	.45 ACP	20 30	1942 - 1971	M1A1	All Branches
M3 "Grease Gun"	.45 ACP	30	1942–1992	M3 (Affectionately nicknamed "Grease Gun")	All Branches
M3A1 "Grease Gun"	.45 ACP	30	1942–1992	M3A1 (Affectionately nicknamed "Grease Gun")	All Branches
Carl Gustav M/45	9x19mm‎	36	???–1966	"Swedish K" (MACV-SOG nickname)	MACV-SOG United States Navy SEALs
Smith & Wesson 76	9x19mm‎	24 36	1966-1974	M76	United States Navy SEALs
Sten Mk IIS	9x19mm	32 (usually only loaded to 28 or 30)	Vietnam War	Sten	MACV-SOG
Beretta M12	9x19mm	20, 30, 40	Vietnam War		Marine Security Guards
Uzi	9x19mm	32	??? - 2000s	Uzi	MACV-SOG Delta Force MARSOC
MAC-10	.45 ACP	30	1970–????	M10	LRRPs United States Navy SEALs MACV-SOG Delta Force
Walther MPL	9x19mm	32	Operation Eagle Claw (1980)	MPL	Delta Force
Walther MPK	9x19mm	32	Operation Eagle Claw (1980)	MPK	Delta Force

Rifles

In Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
M16A4	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1998 - Present	M16A4	All Branches
M16A3	5.56x45mm NATO	30	ca 1990s - Present	M16A3	Navy Seabees United States Navy SEALs
M16A2	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1983 - Present	M16A2	Navy Seabees United States Air Force United States Coast Guard United States Army (issued to non-direct combat units)
M4 Carbine	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1994 - Present	M4	All Branches
M4A1 Carbine	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1994 - Present	M4A1	SOCOM United States Army United States Marine Corps
M27 IAR	5.56x45mm NATO	30	2010 - Present	M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle	United States Marine Corps
GUU-5/P	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1995 - Present	GUU-5/P	United States Air Force
M231 Firing Port Weapon	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1979 - Present	M231 FPW	United States Army
Heckler & Koch HK416	5.56x45mm NATO	30	2004 - Present	HK416	JSOC Asymmetric Warfare Group (formerly)
Heckler & Koch HK416C	5.56x45mm NATO	30	??? - present	HK416C	US Air Force Pararescue
Close Quarters Battle Receiver	5.56x45mm NATO	30	2000 - Present	Mk 18 Mod 0	SOCOM NCIS United States Coast Guard United States Navy Explosive Ordinance Disposal
FN SCAR-H	7.62x51mm NATO 5.56x45mm NATO (conversion)	20 30	2009 - Present	Mk 17 Mod 0	SOCOM
FN SCAR-L	5.56x45mm NATO	30	2009 - Present	Mk 16 Mod 0	75th Ranger Regiment NSWC
SIG-Sauer MCX Rattler LT	.300 AAC Blackout 5.56x45mm NATO	30	2023 - Present (The original Rattler was adopted in 2022)	Reduced Signature Assault Rifle	SOCOM
SIG-Sauer Low Visibility Assault Weapon	.300 AAC Blackout	30	2013/2014 - Present	Low Visibility Assault Weapon	JSOC
M14	7.62x51mm NATO	20	1959 - Present 1959 - 1964 (As Service Rifle)	M14	United States Navy United States Coast Guard United States Army 3rd Infantry (Tomb Guards)
M1903 Springfield	.30-06 Springfield	5	1903 - Present 1903-1974 (As Service Rifle)	US Rifle, Caliber .30-06, Model 1903	All Branches (Formerly/Drill) JROTC
M1917 Enfield	.30-06 Springfield	6	1917 - Present 1917-1953 (As Service Rifle)	US Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1917	United States Army (Formerly) United States Marine Corps (Formerly) JROTC
M1 Garand	.30-06 Springfield	8	1936 - Present 1936-1957/1963 (As Service Rifle)	Rifle, Caliber .30, M1	All Branches (Formerly/Drill) JROTC
Norinco Type 56	7.62x39mm	30	Vietnam War-Present		MACV-SOG（fomerly） SOCOM

Out of Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Brown Bess Musket	.75 Round Ball	1	1775-17??		Continental Army
Charleville Musket	.69 Calibre	1	177? - 18??		Continental Army, United States Army
Springfield Model 1795	.69	1	1795 - 1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Hall Rifle	.525 .69	1	1819- 186?		United States Army
Jenks Carbine	.54	1	1841 - 18??		United States Navy
M1841 Mississippi Musket	.54 .58	1	1841 - 1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Springfield Model 1842	.69	1	1844 - 1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Colt Model 1855	.36 .44 .56	6	1855 - 1863	Model 1855	United States Army Confederate States Army
Lorenz Musket	.54 .58	1	Late 1850s - 18??		United States Army Confederate States Army
Joslyn Rifle	.52, .56-56 Spencer rimfire	1	1858-1865		United States Navy United States Army
Springfield 1861	.58 caliber Minie ball	1	1861 - 1865		United States Army
Maynard Carbine	.50, .35	1	1861 - 1865		United States Army United States Marine Corps Confederate States Army
Smith Carbine	.50 Smith	1	1861 - 1865		United States Army
Potsdam Musket	.65 .75	1	1862 - 1865		United States Army
Enfield Pattern 1853	.577	1	1862 - 1865	P53	United States Army Confederate States Army
Henry Rifle	44 Rimfire	16	1862 - 18??		United States Army Confederate States Army
Sharps Carbine	.50-70 Government	1	1863 - 1881	Sharps Carbine	United States Army
Springfield Model 1863	.58 Minie ball	1	1863 - 1865	Model 1863	United States Army
Spencer 1860	.56-56 Spencer rimfire	7	1863 - 1873		United States Navy United States Army Confederate States Army
M1873-89	.45-70 Government	1	1873 - 1892	M1873-89 Springfield	United States Army
Remington-Keene Repeating Rifle	.45-70 Government	9	1880 - 1888		United States Navy
Krag-Jørgensen	.30-40 Krag	5	1892 - 1907	Model 1892-99	United States Army United States National Guard
Winchester Model 1907	.351 WSL	10	1916 - ????		Aviation Section, Signal Corps
M1916 Mosin Nagant	7.62x54mm R	5	1916 - ~1919	US Rifle, 7.62mm, Model of 1916	United States Army
Winchester Model 1894	30-30 Winchester	6	1917 - 1918		Signal Corps Spruce Production Division
M1941 Johnson	.30-06 Springfield	10	1941 - 1945 (seeing some later use)	M1941	United States Marine Corps Army 1st Special Service Force
M1 Carbine	.30 Carbine	15	1942 - early 1960s	Carbine, Cal .30, M1	United States Air Force United States Army United States Marine Corps
M1A1 Carbine	.30 Carbine	15	1940s - early 1960s	Carbine, Cal .30, M1A1	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M2 Carbine	.30 Carbine	30	1944/45 - early 1960s	Carbine, Cal .30, M2	United States Air Force United States Army United States Marine Corps
Stoner 63	5.56x45mm NATO	20 30	1963 - 1980s	XM22/E1 XM23	United States Navy SEALs United States Marine Corps (trial usage & testing)
M16 (Colt Model 602)	5.56x45mm NATO	20	1963 - 1964	M16	United States Air Force United States Army (Project AGILE) United States Navy SEALs MACV-SOG
M16 (Colt Model 604)	5.56x45mm NATO	20	1964 - 1980s	M16	United States Air Force
Colt Model 607	5.56x45mm NATO	20	1966	CAR-15	United States Army Special Forces
XM16E1	5.56x45mm NATO	20	1964 - 1967	XM16E1	United States Army United States Navy SEALs
XM177E1 (Colt Model 609)	5.56x45mm NATO	20	1966 - 1967	XM177E1	United States Army
XM177 (Colt Model 610)	5.56x45mm NATO	20	1966 - 1990s	GAU-5/A	United States Air Force
M16A1	5.56x45mm NATO	20	1967 - late 1980s	M16A1	United States Army United States Marine Corps United States Air Force
HK33	5.56x45mm NATO	25 40	Late 1960s - 1970s	T223	United States Navy SEALs
XM177E2 (Colt Model 629)	5.56x45mm NATO	20	1967 - ????	XM177E2	United States Army United States Navy SEALs
Colt Model 653	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1971 - 1990s		United States Army United States Air Force United States Navy SEALs
Colt Model 723	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1984 - 1990s	Model 723	United States Navy (formerly) Delta Force
Colt Model 727	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1988 - 1990s	M16A2 Carbine	Delta Force United States Navy SEALs

Machine Guns

In Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Browning M2	.50 BMG	Typically 100, 105, 200	1933 - Present	Browning Caliber .50 M2 M2HB M2A1 XM218/GAU-16 GAU-21	All Branches
M60	7.62x51mm NATO	100	1957–present	M60	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M61 Vulcan	20x102mm	Varies	1959 - Present	M61 (obsolete) M61A1 M61A2 GAU-4/A M130 M163 VADS (obsolete) M167 VADS (obsolete) Phalanx Centurion	All Branches
General Dynamics M197 Vulcan	20x102mm	Varies	1967 - Present	M197	United States Army United States Marine Corps
GE M134 Minigun	7.62x51mm NATO	Varies	1963 - Present	M134 GAU-17/A	All Branches
General Electric GAU-8/A Avenger	30x173mm	1,174	1977 - Present	GAU-8/A	United States Air Force
General Dynamics GAU-12/U	25x137mm	Varies	1970s - Present	GAU-12/U	United States Air Force United States Marine Corps
General Dynamics GAU-22/A	25x137mm	Varies	???? - Present	GAU-22/A	United States Air Force United States Marine Corps United States Navy
M230 Chain Gun	30x113mm B	1,200	1975 - Present	M230	United States Army
M240	7.62x51mm NATO	100	1990s - Present	M240B M240C M240D/H M240G M240L	All Branches
M249	5.56x45mm NATO	Varies	1989 - Present	M249 Light Machine Gun	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M249 Para	5.56x45mm NATO	Varies	???? - Present	M249 Light Machine Gun	United States Army United States Marine Corps
Mk 46 Mod 1	5.56x45mm NATO	Varies	???? - Present	Mk 46 Mod 1	SOCOM
Mk 48 Mod 1	7.62x51mm NATO	Varies	2006 - Present	Mk 48 Mod 1 Light Weight Machine Gun	SOCOM
M60E4	7.62x51mm NATO	100	2000 - Present	Mk 43 Mod 0/1 (Navy)	United States Navy SEALs

Out of Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Agar Gun	.58	-	1862 - 1865		United States Army Confederate States Army
Gatling Gun	.45-70 Government .30-40 Krag .30-03 Springfield .30-06 Springfield	-	1862 - 1911	various	All Branches
Hotchkiss Revolving Cannon	37mmm		18??- ????		All Branches
Colt 1895	30-40 Krag 6mm Lee 7mm Mauser	24	1895 - 1921	M1895 Automatic Machine Gun	All Branches
Hotchkiss M1909	30-06	30	1909 - 19???	Benet-Mercie Machine Rifle, Caliber .30 U. S. Model of 1909	All Branches
Hotchkiss M1914	8x50mmR Lebel	24	1917 - 1918	M1914 Hotchkiss	American Expeditionary Forces
St. Étienne Mle 1907	8x50mmR	25 300	1917 - 1918	M1907 St. Étienne	American Expeditionary Forces
Browning M1917	.30-06 Springfield	250	1917 - 1960s	M1917 Browning	United States Army United States Marine Corps
Vickers	.303 British	250	1917 - 1918	Vickers MG	American Expeditionary Forces
Chauchat	8x50mmR Lebel .30-06 Springfield	20	1917 - 1918	Chauchat Automatic Rifle	American Expeditionary Forces
Lewis Gun	.30-06 Springfield	47 97	1917 - ????	M1917 Lewis Gun	United States Marines United States Navy
Browning Automatic Rifle	.30-06 Springfield	20	1918 - 1960s	Rifle, Caliber .30, Browning	United States Army United States Marine Corps United States Air Force
Browning M1919	.30-06 Springfield 7.62x51mm NATO	250	1919 - 1970s	M1919 Browning	All Branches
Colt Mk 12 cannon	20x110mm USN	Varies	1950s - 1960s	Mk 12 cannon	United States Navy United States Marine Corps
Pontiac M39	20x102mm	Varies	1952 - ?	T160 M39 M39A1 M39A2 M39A3	All services
Stoner 63/A	5.56x45mm NATO	250	1963 - 1980s	XM207 (Army), Mk 23 Mod 0 (Navy)	United States Army Special Forces United States Navy SEALs
RPD light machine gun (31 inch conversion)	7.62x39mm	125 (modified drum)	Vietnam		MACV-SOG
M14E2 SAW	7.62x51mm NATO	20	1963 - 1966	M14A1	United States Army
Heckler & Koch HK21	7.62x51mm NATO	20 50	Vietnam Operation Eagle Claw (1980) Battle of Tora Bora (2001)	HK21	United States Navy SEALs Delta Force
Mk 46 Mod 0	5.56x45mm NATO	Varies	2003 - ????	Mk 46 Mod 0	SOCOM
Mk 48 Mod 0	7.62x51mm NATO	Varies	2001 - 2010	Mk 48 Mod 0 Light Weight Machine Gun	SOCOM

Launchers, Flamethrowers

In Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
BGM-71 TOW	152mm	1 (standard launcher) 2 (Bradley TOW) 4 (M65)	1970 - Present	Launchers: M151 M220 M41 ITAS M41 ITAS-FTL M65 (air-launched, retired)	United States Army United States Marine Corps
FGM-148 Javelin	127mm	1	1996 - Present	FGM-148	United States Army United States Marine Corps
FGM-172 SRAW	139.7mm	Single Shot	2002 - Present	SRAW Mk 40 Mod 0 (until 2006) FGM-172 SRAW FGM-172B SRAW-MPV	United States Marine Corps
FIM-92 Stinger	70mm	1 (standard launcher) 2 (ATAS, ATAL, Stinger DMS) 4 (SVML)	1978 - Present	FIM-92	All Branches
M136 AT4	84mm	Single Shot	1984 - Present (baseline M136 replaced with AT4CS starting 2004)	M136 AT4	United States Marine Corps United States Army
Mk 153 SMAW	83mm	1	1984 - Present	Mk 153 Mod 0 Mk 153 Mod 2	United States Marine Corps United States Army (during Operation Desert Storm)
M141 SMAW-D	83mm	Single Shot	1999 - Present	M141 SMAW-D	United States Army
M72 LAW	66mm	Single Shot	1963 - Present	M72-M72A5 (retired) M72A6 M72A7	United States Army United States Marine Corps United States Air Force
M202 FLASH	66mm	4	1978 - Present	M202 FLASH M202A1 FLASH	All Branches
Carl Gustav M3	84mm	1	1991 - Present 2019 - Present	M3 MAAWS/RAWS	SOCOM United States Army United States Marine Corps
Carl Gustav M4	84x246mm R	1	2016 - Present	M3E1	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M203 grenade launcher	40x46mm	1	1969 - Present	M203 M203A1 M203A2	All Branches
M79 grenade launcher	40x46mm	1	1961 - Present	M79	United States Navy SEALs Special Forces Naval Special Warfare Development Group
Milkor MGL Mk 1L	40x46mm	6	2005 - Present	M32 MGL	United States Marine Corps
Milkor Mark 14	40x46mm	6	2009 - Present	M32A1 (USMC) Mk 14 Mod 0 (SOCOM)	United States Marine Corps SOCOM
Mk 19 grenade launcher	40x53mm	32 48	1966-1971 1971-1981 1981-Present	Mk 19 Mod 0 Mk 19 Mod 1 Mk 19 Mod 3	United States Navy United States Navy All branches
FN 303	18mm less-lethal projectile	15	2003 - Present	FN 303	All Branches
Mk 47 Mod 0 Grenade Launcher	40x53mm	Varies	2006 - Present	Mk 47 Mod 0	SOCOM
Heckler & Koch M320	40x46mm	1	2009 - Present 2019 - Present	M320 GLM M320A1 GLM	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M252 Mortar	81mm	1	1987 - Present	M252 81mm Mortar	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M224 Mortar	60mm	1	1978 - Present	M224 60mm Mortar	United States Army United States Marine Corps

Out of Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Hale Rocket		1	1847-186?		United States Army
M1 "Bazooka"	2.36" M6 rocket	1	1942 - 1943	Rocket Launcher, M1	United States Army
M1A1 "Bazooka"	2.36" M6A1 rocket	1	1943 - 1944	Rocket Launcher, M1A1	United States Army
M9 "Bazooka"	2.36" M6A3 rocket	1	1943 - 1944	Rocket Launcher, M9	United States Army
M7 rifle grenade launcher	.30-06 blank, 22mm grenade	1	1943 - 1959	M7 M7A1 M7A2 M7A3	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M8 Rifle Grenade Launcher	.30 Carbine blank, 22mm grenade	1	1943 - 1959	M8	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M9A1 "Bazooka"	2.36" M6A3 rocket	1	1944 - 1950	Rocket Launcher, M9A1	United States Army
M20 "Super Bazooka"	3.5" rocket	1	1944 - 1952	Rocket Launcher, M20	United States Army
M20B1 "Super Bazooka"	3.5" rocket	1	???? - 1952	Rocket Launcher, M20B1	United States Army
M20A1/A1B1 "Super Bazooka"	3.5" rocket	1	1952 - 1960s	Rocket Launcher, M20A1/A1B1	United States Army
M18 Recoilless Rifle	57mm	1	1945–1960s	M18 Recoilless Rifle	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M20 Recoilless Rifle	75mm	1	1945–1970s	M20 Recoilless Rifle	United States Army United States Marine Corps (Later operated by United States Forest Service and United States National Park Service)
M40 Recoilless Rifle	106mm (actually 105mm) & .50 BAT	1 & 10 /20	1955–1970s	M40 Recoilless Rifle	United States Army United States Marine Corps
B40	40mm	1	Vietnam War		MACV-SOG
M67 recoilless rifle	90mm	1	1960s–1991 Re-issued 2011 but withdrawn soon after	M67 Recoilless Rifle	United States Army United States Marine Corps
FIM-43 Redeye	70mm	1	1968–1995	FIM-43	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M47 Dragon	140mm	1	1975 - 2001	FGM-77 M47 Dragon M47 Dragon II M47 Super Dragon	United States Army United States Marine Corps
China Lake Launcher	40x46mm SR	3+1	1968 - ????	China Lake Model	United States Navy SEALs United States Marine Corps Force Reconnaissance 5th Special Forces Group
M1 Mortar	81mm	1	1935–1952	M1 Mortar	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M2 Mortar	60mm	1	1940–1975	M2 Mortar	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M1 Flamethrower	Gasoline & Nitrogen	5 gallons	1941-1945	M1 Flamethrower M1A1 Flamethrower	United States Army
M2 Flamethrower	Gasoline & Nitrogen	4 gallons	1943-1975	M2-2 Flamethrower M2A1-7 Flamethrower	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M9 Flamethrower	Gasoline & Nitrogen	4 gallons	1960s-1978	M9-7 Flamethrower M9A1-7 Flamethrower	United States Army United States Marine Corps
AN/M5 Pyrotechnic Discharger	37mm	6	1940s	AN/M5 Pyrotechnic Discharger	United States Army Air Forces

Marksman, AMR, and Sniper Rifles

In Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle	7.62x51mm NATO	20	2008 - Present (undergoing phase out; still in use)	M39 EMR	United States Marine Corps
M40A5 Sniper Rifle	7.62x51mm NATO	10	2009 - Present	M40A5 (Undergoing phase out. As of Nov 2015 most have been refurnished and become M40A6s and to be replaced by the updated rifle.)	United States Marine Corps
M40A6 Sniper Rifle	7.62x51mm NATO	10	2015 - Present	M40A6	United States Marine Corps
Barrett M82A1	.50 BMG	10	???? - Present	M82A3 SASR	United States Marine Corps
Barrett M107	.50 BMG	10	??? - Present	M107	United States Army
M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System	7.62x51mm NATO	10, 20	2008 - Present	M110 SASS (undergoing phase out for the M110A1 CSASS, still in use.)	United States Army United States Marine Corps
Knight's Armament SR-25	7.62x51mm NATO	10, 20	1990s - Present	Mk 11	SOCOM United States Marine Corps US Coast Guard Deployable Operations Group
M2010 Enhanced Sniper Rifle	.300 Winchester Magnum	5	2011 - Present	M2010 ESR	United States Army
Robar RC-50	.50 BMG	5	???? - Present	RC-50	United States Coast Guard
McMillan TAC-50	.50 BMG	5	2000 - Present	Mk 15	United States Navy SEALs
Mk 14 Enhanced Battle Rifle	7.62x51mm NATO	10, 20	2004 - Present	Mk 14 Mod 0/1 EBR	NSWC United States Army United States Air Force
Remington MSR	7.62x51mm NATO .300 Winchester Mag .338 Norma Mag .338 Lapua Mag	7 (.300 Win) 5 or 10 (other calibers)	2013 - Present 2015 - Present	Mk 21 Precision Sniper Rifle	SOCOM United States Marine Corps (Formerly, Limited Trial)
Remington SOCOM Mk 13	.300 Winchester Magnum	5	???? - Present 2018 - Present	Mk 13 Mod 5 Mk 13 Mod 7	SOCOM United States Marine Corps
LaRue Tactical OBR 7.62	7.62x51mm NATO	20	???? - Present		SOCOM
FN SSR	7.62x51mm NATO	20	???? - Present	MK 20 Mod 0	SOCOM
Heckler & Koch HK417	7.62x51mm NATO	20	???? - Present		Naval Special Warfare Development Group
Accuracy International AS50	.50 BMG	5	2007 - Present		SOCOM
Heckler & Koch G28	7.62x51mm NATO	10, 20	2018 - Present	M110A1 CSASS (none yet issued as of 2022, status unknown) M110A1 SDMR	United States Army United States Marine Corps
Barrett MRAD	7.62x51mm NATO .300 Norma Magnum .338 Norma Magnum	10	2019 - Present	Mk 22 Advanced Sniper Rifle	SOCOM

Out Of Service

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Kentucky Flintlock Rifle	Varies	1	177? - 18??		Continental Army, United States Army
Berdan Sharps Rifle	.52	1	1859 - 1864	Berdan Sharps	United States Army
Whitworth Rifle	.451 percussion	1	1861 - 1865		Confederate States Army
M1903 Springfield	.30-06 Springfield	5	????-????		United States Army
M1903A1 Springfield	.30-06 Springfield	5	????-????		United States Marine Corps
Boys anti-tank rifle	.55 Boys, .50 BMG	5	1942-1943 (Marine Raiders), Korean War		Marine Raiders, United States Marine Corps, United States Army
Winchester Model 70	.30-06 Springfield, 7.62x51mm NATO	5	1942-1970s	Model 70	United States Marine Corps
M1903A4 Springfield	.30-06 Springfield	5	1943-1960s		United States Army
M1C Garand	.30-06 Springfield	8	1944-1970s	Rifle, Caliber .30, M1C	United States Army (Formerly) United States Marine Corps (Formerly)
M1D Garand	.30-06 Springfield	8	1944-1970s	Rifle, Caliber .30, M1D	United States Army (Formerly) United States Marine Corps (Formerly)
M21	7.62x51mm NATO	20	1969-1990	XM21/M21	United States Army United States Navy SEALs
M3 Carbine	.30 Carbine	15, 30	1945-late 1950s	Carbine, Cal .30, T3 Modified Carbine, Cal .30, M3	United States Army United States Marine Corps
M40	7.62x51mm NATO	5	1966-1980s	M40	United States Marine Corps Delta Force
M40A1	7.62x51mm NATO	5	1970s-2001	M40A1	United States Marine Corps
M40A3	7.62x51mm NATO	5	2001-2009	M40A3	United States Marine Corps
M14 Designated Marksman Rifle	7.62x51mm NATO	20	2001-2010	United States Rifle, 7.62mm, M14, DMR	United States Marine Corps
M24 Sniper Weapon System	7.62x51mm NATO .300 Winchester Magnum	5	1988 - 2014	M24 SWS	United States Army (weapons rebuilt into M2010 Enhanced Sniper Rifles)
Mk 12 Mod 0/1 Special Purpose Rifle	5.56x45mm NATO	20, 30	2002 - 2017	Mk 12 Mod 0/1 SPR	United States Navy SOCOM US Marine Corps

Grenades

In Service

Weapon	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
M67 hand grenade	1968 - Present	M67	All Branches
AN/M14 incendiary grenade	??? - Present	AN/M14	All Branches
M83 smoke grenade	??? - Present	M83	All Branches
M7 CS gas grenade	??? - Present	M7	All Branches
M47 CS grenade	??? - Present	M47	All Branches
M84 stun grenade	1995 - Present	M84	United States Army

Out of Service

Weapon	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
Ketchum Grenade	1862 - 1865		United States Army
Mk 1 hand grenade	1917 - 1918	Mk 1	All Branches
M17 Rifle Grenade	1941 - 1944	M17, T2	United States Army Unites States Marine Corps
M9A1 Rifle Grenade	194? - 19??	M9A1	United States Army Unites States Marine Corps
AN/M8 HC smoke grenade	1940s - 1990s	Army/Navy Model 8 HC Smoke Grenade	All Branches
M15 White Phosphorous grenade	1943 - 1960s		All Branches
M34 WP grenade	1959 - 1990s	M34 White Phosphorus Smoke Grenade	All Branches
Mk 2 hand grenade	1918 - 1960s	MK2	All Branches
M26 hand grenade	1950s - 1970s	M26	All Branches
M61 hand grenade	1950s - 1970s	M61	All Branches
V40 Mini Grenade	Vietnam War		MACV-SOG

Mines

In Service

Weapon	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
M18A1 Claymore	1960 - Present	M18A1	All Branches
M15 anti-tank mine	???? - Present	M15	All Branches

Out of Service

Weapon	Service Years	Designation	Used By:	Image
M1 Anti-Tank Mine	19?? - 19??	M1 Anti-Tank Mine	United States Army Unites States Marine Corps
M1A1 Anti-Tank Mine	19?? - 19??	M1A1 Anti-Tank Mine	United States Army Unites States Marine Corps
M2A3 Anti-Personel Mine	1942 - 19??	M2A3 Anti-Personel Mine	United States Army Unites States Marine Corps
M14 anti-personnel mine	1950s-1974	M14 anti-personnel mine	United States Army United States Marine Corps
SLAM	1990-2002	M2 Selectable Lightweight Attack Munition	Special Operations Forces

Experimental

Current

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Development Years	Designation	Will Be/Is Used By:	Image
Barrett XM500	.50 BMG	10	1990s - Present? (status unknown)	XM500	United States Army
SIG-Sauer MCX-SPEAR	6.8x51mm FURY	20	2018 - Present	NGSW-R XM7	United States Army
SIG-Sauer LMG-6.8	6.8x51mm FURY	50, 100	???? - Present	NGSW-AR XM250	United States Army
SIG-Sauer MG 338	.338 Norma Magnum	50, 100	2018 - Present	Lightweight Machine Gun-Medium	SOCOM
KAC LAMG	5.56x45mm NATO	100, 200	???? - Present		Special Forces 75th Ranger Regiment

Concluded or canceled

Weapon	Caliber(s)	Capacity	Development Years	Designation	Would Be/Was Used By:	Image
Artemus Wheeler Carbine	.51	7	1821		United States Navy
Winchester Model 1895	30-40 Krag	5	1898		33rd Volunteer Infantry Regiment
M1900 "American Eagle"	7.65x21mm Parabellum	8	1900 - 1901	M1900	United States Army
Luger .45	.45 ACP	8	1907	Luger Automatic Pistol, Cal. 45	United States Army
Pedersen Device	7.62x25mm Longue	40	1918 - 1931	Pistol, Caliber .30, Model of 1918	United States Army
Thompson Light Rifle	.30 Carbine	20 / 30	1941		United States Army
Winchester Model 30M	.30-06 Springfield	5	1939 - 1945	G30M	United States Army
Winchester Model 30R	.30-06 Springfield	20	1939 - 1945	G30R (T10E1)	United States Army
Winchester Automatic Rifle	.30-06 Springfield	20	1939 - 1945	WAR	United States Army
Springfield Armory M1E5	.30-06 Springfield	8	1944	Springfield Armory M1E5	United States Army
T26 Tanker Garand	.30-06 Springfield	8	1944 - 1945	T26	United States Army
T20E2	.30-06 Springfield	20	1945 - 1948	T20E2	United States Army United States Marine Corps
MP54	9x19mm	30	1964 - 1965	MP54	Department of Defense Special Operations Command
MBA Gyrojet	13mm	6	1966	Gyrojet	United States Army
Colt Model 655	5.56x45mm NATO	20	July - October 1967	M16A1 Special High Profile	United States Army
Colt Model 656	5.56x45mm NATO	20	July - October 1967	M16A1 Special Low Profile	United States Army
XM148 grenade launcher	40x46mm	Single-shot	1964 - 1968 (military usage)/1990s	XM148	United States Army United States Air Force MACV-SOG
Heckler & Koch CAWS	18.5x76mm	10	1980s	HK CAWS	United States Army
Colt ACR	5.56x45mm NATO / "Duplex"	30	1989-1990		United States Army
G11	4.73x33mm caseless	45	1989 - 1990	G11	United States Army
Steyr ACR	5.56x45mm SCF	24	1989 - 1990		United States Army
Heckler & Koch XM29 Objective Individual Combat Weapon	5.56x45mm & 20x28mm 5.56x45mm & 25x40mm	30/6	1980s - 2004	XM29 SABR	United States Army
XM307 Advanced Crew Served Weapon	25x59mm	31	1980s-2007	XM307	United States Army
XM312 Advanced Crew Served Weapon	.50 BMG	Belt feed	1980s-2007	XM312	United States Army
XM8	5.56x45mm NATO	30	1990s - 2005	XM8	United States Army
Heckler & Koch XM320	40x46mm	1	2006 - 2009	XM320	United States Army
AA-12	12 gauge	8 20 32	2005	AA-12	United States Marine Corps (demonstration and possible evaluation)
XM25	25x40mm	4 5	Development began 2003, deployed for field testing 2010 - 2013 Army canceled contract 2017 Program officially canceled 2018	XM25 Counter Defilade Target Engagement (CDTE) System	United States Army
SR-47	7.62x39mm M43	30 or 40	2001	Special Purpose Rifle - Variant (SPR-V)	SOCOM
Barrett XM109	25x59mm	5	1990s - ???? (program abandoned at unknown date; all prototypes purchased by US government	XM109	United States Army
LSAT LMG	5.56x45mm NATO (early) 5.56mm Caseless 5.56mm Cased Telescoped (CT) 7.62mm CT 6.5mm CT	100 (CT) 150 (caseless)	2004 - 2022	LSAT LMG CT LMG NGSW-AR	United States Army
FN HAMR IAR	5.56x45mm NATO	20 or 30	2006-2009 (IAR Trials) ????-???? (NGSW)		United States Marine Corps United States Army
Knight's Armament Masterkey	12 gauge	3	1980s - 1990s	KAC Masterkey	United States Marine Corps Delta Force

Discussion

Thank you to whoever created this page, I've thought a lot about trying to do a page like this myself, since a lot of people on this site like to point out "That isn't what a solder/officer in such and such military of law enforcement agency would use in real life." Maybe if this page proves to be popular we could do other pages about other agencies. --AndCA 22:06, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Your very welcome :) everything on that page took about a month to make due to my schedule (and I'm only 15). I am planning on doing a page about the British and the Russian armed forces but I want to have this done first. Mr.Ice 22:17, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

I didn't know the Marines have started using the SCAR H Excalibur01 22:23, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

I may have gotten some incorrect info during my research, I'll look into it. Mr.Ice 22:31, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Thank You for doing this, the fact that you are fifteen only makes me have more respect for you.--Dillinger 23:29, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Mate, big respect for you for doing this! Well done! If you need any info on what the British Armed Forces do, please let me know, I can help with that!! Again, proper nice job mate!! Fixer

As far as I know the only use by the USMC of the SCAR platform was a variant of the 'L' model during trials for the M27. The H&K 416 was chosen. --Crazycrankle 01:26, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Doesn't the Navy also use the M16A3 variant? Insertjjs 6:37, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Yes they do, my Seabee buddy's issued weapon is an M16A3 with a 203.-Ranger01 11:56, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Are we doing out of service rifles and shotguns as well? Wicked wikipedia gives a complete list if that helps he page.-Balin21 12:30, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Of course. Mr.Ice 12:33, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

YES!!!

THIS IS AN AWESOME IDEA!!! One that I have been wanting to do for a while. Gets my 100% stamp of approval! --Zackmann08 08:33, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Glad you like it I just hope this gets done soon so I can work on my next idea. Mr.Ice 08:55, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

When this one is done, how about one for the British Armed Forces, SAS and suchlike? --Taurus96 10:25, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

I have been thinking about one for the British I may do one like that next. Mr.Ice 11:32, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

If you do, don't forget they recently adopted the LMT 7.62 as their new Sniper rifle/DMR Excalibur01 11:47, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

That they do, but I don't think we have a page for it since it's not shown up in media yet. The Wierd It 12:59, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

No, it hasn't appeared in anything to my knowledge, and we need to emphasize that this page, like all other pages on IMFDb, is for weapons used in films, TV, or video games, not an end-all list of every weapon ever used by an armed force. Spartan198 03:13, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

I read here http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/glock.php and here http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2011/09/12/delta-force-and-the-glock/ that delta force is now using the Glock 22 as their standard sidearm. Had an old coworker who was an Army MP who confirmed it to. Want to say they started using it in the early years of the war in Iraq.

SDM-R picture

I'm looking for a good shot of the Army's Squad Designated Marksman Rifle, but I can't find one. Can anyone help me out? --Dirty Harold 10:27, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

I'm reasonably sure it's not that different from the M16A4, aside from subtle differences in the rails (DD M4Rail rather than KAC M5) and differences to the barrel which are hidden by the rails. The Wierd It 10:27, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Never mind, then; I'll simply remove it on the grounds that's it's not dissimilar from M16A4 model. --Dirty Harold 11:33, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

The SDM-R was a very limited trial program and it was only fielded to one unit before it was canceled and/or withdrawn from service. The SAM-R met a similar end when the Marines opted for the Mark 12 Mod 1 instead. Spartan198 16:34, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

P226R

Don't the SEALs use the 226 with a rail now? Excalibur01 11:01, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

According to SIG the SEALs currently use a P226 with a Picatinny rail that is not the standard rail found on P226s. In the past they have used folded steel slides without any rail or other outward identifying marks. When they went to the stainless steel slides an anchor was added to be able to easily tell which were the new slides and which were the older model. At some point a rail was added during the use of the stainless slides, which lead to a complaint that not all light attachments worked on it (can't complain about an out of spec rail on a gun without a rail), so the current model was outfitted with a true 1913 picatinny rail. Dover500 11:02, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

Page name

Should the "firearms" be changed to "weapons", as there are several things on here that I would not call firearms, such as the grenades, mines and launchers. --commando552 12:15, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

I say go for it if accuracy is the case Mr.Ice 12:22, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

USMC SOCOM

Should the listing of USMC SOCOM be changed to USMC MARSOC since MARSOC is the branch of the USMC that is a part of SOCOM. I think USMC SOCOM just sounds odd because it describes the USMC branch of SOCOM. This is just my opinion, what do you guys think? --SmithandWesson36 13:22, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Done.The Wierd It 13:59, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Thanks. --SmithandWesson36 14:00, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Magazine capacities

Great idea Mr.Ice. Anyway, is it OK if I add the various magazine capacities for the firearms with the caliber in parentheses beside it?

It is already there... Under "Capacity"... And sign your post. --Zackmann08 17:04, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Colt Rail Gun

I think it's been adopted very recently to replace the Kimber ICQB, should it go on the page?--Recon42 06:35, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

it is already on there as the Colt XSE, it is the same gun as the one pictured except with a desert tan finish and grips. --commando552 06:49, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

The XSE along with the Kimber are also used by Army Special Forces and 1st SFOD-D. Puppet.of.fate 21:58, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Last time I checked the Special Forces still used M9s. The Wierd It 08:56, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

They may use it or have used it but their regular sidearm is a M1911 variant or a Glock. The M9 and M9A1 are standard issue so it isn't uncommon for Special Forces to pick it up and use it once in a while. Puppet.of.fate 14:10, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

I'm very interested to see your source on that. Last time I checked the only bit of the US Army to still use 1911s was Delta. The Wierd It 15:49, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

In a number of 'Small Arms of the World' books I own along with a book co-written by General Carl Stiner, a former Commander in Cheif of USSOCOM. I would love to see the source of your info. Puppet.of.fate 17:36, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

Let's jump straight to the photography then.

• Special Forces medic in Afghanistan, 2007. Note the Beretta holstered on his belt.
• US Army Special Forces at the Fuerzas Comando 2012 event. Note the obvious M9 being reloaded in the first photo.
• Special Forces NCO Instructor at the 2011 USASFC Soldier and NCO of the Year Competition. Note the M9 in his holster.
• Army Special Forces soldiers conduct range training, 2010. Every single one of them has an M9.
• Special Forces training at Fort Carson, Colorado. 2010. Holstered M9s.

In short, for a weapon not regularly used by US Army Special Forces, there's a lot of images of US Army Special Forces with M9s. Note though that I am only calling you out on your assertion about the 1911; there's plenty of evidence for Glocks in the last year or so. The Wierd It 02:46, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Well I can't tell you you're wrong and I will correct what I said and admit they apparently do use it more often then I thought but you can't honestly tell me I'm wrong either when my source material clearly states they do use M1911 variants. We are talking about Special Forces here so what they use is honestly their choice.Puppet.of.fate 13:29, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

And yet nowhere in the 1200+ images I checked through did I see a single 1911 pattern pistol aside from two presentation pieces. The Wierd It 13:35, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Just because they're not there, doesn't mean they don't exist. You can't find everything on the internet. Puppet.of.fate 13:55, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Well, if the 1911 was the standard sidearm of the US Army Special Forces, don't you think there would be a lot of pictures of them with the 1911? When were these books of your's written? --SmithandWesson36 14:10, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

For the record, the General who co-wrote one of the books he cited retired in '93.The Wierd It 14:11, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

His retirement date has no relavence. He's former Special Forces and Commander in Chief of USSOCOM, I'm pretty sure his information would be pretty up to date when he wrote the book. The book he co-wrote was published in 2002 and the most recent one I have of the other's is from 2007. And no, I don't think they'd have pictures all over the internet of them, they're Special Forces, and I honestly don't believe he searched through 1200+ photo's of them to gather his info. Puppet.of.fate 15:37, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Okay, there might not be a lot of pictures of the SF, but there is at least 1200+ talked about here, and out of 1200+ not one of them shows the SF soldiers with their supposed "standard sidearm," the 1911. --SmithandWesson36 16:08, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

And as I stated before, just because it isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For the record I never stated it was their 'standard issue.' I said it was their regular sidearm. They're Special Forces, they have no 'standard issue.' Lets make this simple, no matter what I say you're not going to believe me, which is fine I know what I know and you know what you know. He can't find a picture of it and I have books that state it, its a discussion that won't end. It's an agree to disagree situation. Puppet.of.fate 17:35, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Well, regular sidearm means that it would be used in large quantities by them and yet we have no photographic evidence of them using the 1911. If we go by the fact that they can use whatever they want, why don't we just list every handgun and say, "There is a chance someone in the military is using one." There is a way to end this discussion, what are the name of these books that you got your info from? --SmithandWesson36 18:54, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Professionalsoldiers.com ask them yourselves, they should know what they carry. (Most on there prefer Glocks btw.)-Ranger01 22:39, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

I don't really trust PS, because anyone can go on it and post whatever they want. --SmithandWesson36 02:20, 27 July 2012 (CDT)

Not necessarily true, you have to be vetted to have certain user names and the "Quiet Professional" tag, they will actually go look through their class lists and etc to find out if a person is who they say they are, and if someone posts BS or w/e they get the boot-Ranger01 02:42, 27 July 2012 (CDT)

It says in their bulletin board rules page that not every user is a "Quiet Professional," so they could be anybody. --SmithandWesson36 02:44, 27 July 2012 (CDT)

I believe the implication here is that the ones with the "Quiet Professional" tag won't be talking out of their arse like regular users. The Wierd It 02:51, 27 July 2012 (CDT)

Oh, okay, I misunderstood that. Okay, it seems like a much more reliable source to me now. --SmithandWesson36 05:01, 27 July 2012 (CDT)

M11 Pistol

I wasn't aware that NCIS uses the P228 anymore. I thought they used the P229 DAK. I'm posting this to let you know why I changed it on the main page. Just thought I'd let you know. (By the way, if anyone has any comments, feel free to respond to me.) --Mormonpowerranger521 15:30 (CDT)

According to (the ever-accurate, lol) Wikipedia, they no longer use the P228. However, it says that they also use the P239 DAK as well as the P229 DAK. --Dirty Harold 19:22, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Gun order

Right now the guns, particularly the out of service ones, seem to be in a pretty random order. What do people think would be the best way to categorise them by, alphabetically, chronologically, user or notoriety? --commando552 18:28, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Chronologically sounds good, probably from earliest to latest. --Dirty Harold 19:30, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

I agree, it will better in that order. --RaNgeR 20:03, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Done. At least for the out of service ones anyway. Jimmoy (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

M4A1

It needs to be notated that the M4A1 is only standard issue to special operations/ and Rangers. The M4 carbine (Semi and burst fire) is the standard rifle for front-line combat arms units in the US Army. --AdAstra2009 21:28, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Done. Spartan198 23:26, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

NCIS

So this page lists the weapons of the US Armed Forces, like the Army, Navy, Marines, etc. NCIS is a federal agency, not part of the Armed Forces. Should it be removed? --Mormonpowerranger521 19:35 (CDT)

NCIS is part of the Department of the Navy. --Dirty Harold 08:35, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

OK, so I'll go ahead and add CID as well, as it's part of the Army. But should other federal agencies be added, as they are part of the Department of Justice or Homeland Security, and they are also technically part of the US Armed Forces as well? --Mormonpowerranger521 16:48 (CDT)

The CID doesn't need to be there anyway, as the weapons they use are already listed with the US Army. The only reason the NCIS is listed (if it deserves to be here anyway, my opinion is that it shouldn't as is a federal law enforcement agency and not part of "Armed Forces") is that they use weapons that are not used by the regular Navy. --commando552 17:56, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Don't forget OSI (Office of Special Investigations), the Air Force equivelant. On an unrelated not, why would EOD use the Mk18? It's not like they need super-short weapons for CQB, they dispose of bombs.--Mandolin 17:52, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

EOD in most forces tend to use shorter weapons than regular infantry as they only carry weapons for personal defence, and the lighter weight of smaller weapons is a plus when you have to carry additional specialist equipment. --commando552 17:56, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

So the question is, I guess, do we keep NCIS, and by that reasoning, add a whole bunch more federal agencies (DHS, FBI, ATF, etc.), or do we remove it as it technically isn't part of the "Armed Forces?" I vote remove. --Mormonpowerranger521 19:02 (CDT)

NCIS is a law enforcement agency of the Department of the Navy. Most of its special agents are civilian GS-1811 criminal investigators, however some of them are reservists or active duty military. The investigating agents of Army CID are either active duty enlisted special agents or active duty Warrant Officer special agents. Air Force OSI agents can be civilians, enlisted airmen, or Air Force commissioned officers. The Coast Guard Investigative service employs active duty enlisted personnel, along with reservist Chief Warrant Officers and civilians as special agents. --L.J. Gibbs (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2013 (EDT)

SIG P239

I have read somewhere that the P239 was issued by DEVGRU to plain clothes operators, does anyone know if this is true? --SmithandWesson36 14:43, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

I'm looking at a page right now that says the same thing, but there's no way to confirm it since it doesn't give a source. The Wierd It 14:48, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

That's actually the page I read it on, but I didn't trust it without a source. --SmithandWesson36 14:51, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Certainly, SIG aren't pimping it the same way that they do with the P226.The Wierd It 14:53, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Colt XSE Image

Is it worth replacing the Colt XSE image with this one? Since that's the actual weapon being adopted, not the XSE. The Wierd It 11:57, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

I think we should replace the current image with this one, it's more accurate. --SmithandWesson36 12:08, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

What about this image? --Mormonpowerranger521 13:51, 30 July 2012 (CTD)

Colt Rail Gun - .45ACP

That is no closer match than the stainless one, as the M45 will have a tan finish. I was the one who made the entry with the XSE image, the reason being that it was the only image on here and I didn't want to add an image of a gun that hadn't appeared in anything yet. But as someone has now uploaded the tan one, might as well use it. Also, the reason I originally had it listed as an XSE is because that it what we currently list the railed frame XSE (which is what this gun is) as. Colt currently markets it as the "Colt Rail Gun" but it was originally called the "Colt XSE Rail Gun". As it seems that Colt have now split them, I suppose it might be an idea to split them on the 1911 page into "XSE" and "Rail Gun" sections. --commando552 15:18, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

Confederate States of America

Insert "south shall rise again joke". Don't want to be technically but This page is for the US Armed forces, not the CSA armed forces Excalibur01 23:45, 31 August 2012 (CDT)

Late 19th Century Special Operations Firearms?

This has nothing to do with this page per se, but of all the pages here this one is most fitting. I have been wondering what American "Special Forces" or what you would like to call them, would have used in the 1870/1880's?

If some soldiers/agents/assassains would been sent on a specific important mission, what firearms would they have used? Winchester 1873's? Sharps Carbines? Springfield Trapdoor Rifles? Spencer Repeating Rifles?

Would they use Shotguns? And what Handguns?

Thanks in Advance!--Z008MJ (talk) 10:06, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Short answer what people would consider American "Special Forces" didn't exist in the 1870/1880's. The closest thing to that would have been the Calvary, or maybe Buffalo Solders, both of which would have used the carbine version of whatever rifle was standard issue (I think the Trapdoor Springfield, but in the early 1870's it could have been something else). The prevailing strategy of that time period was still to have troops gather en mass when fighting each other. The modern idea of special forces comes from the First South African/Second Boer War (1899-1902). In this conflict the British saw the the effectiveness of the Boer Commandos in reeking havoc on there numerically superior forces. Later the British implemented the strategy within there own forces, to the point where they even borrowed the name of those specialized solders from there adversary ie commando (Boer=white South African of Dutch decent). Dover500 (talk) 11:06, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

How about a hypotethical situation then? If ever there was a national threat coming from a single concentrated group of people, who obviously had no army, and soldiers were sent to eliminate them and everyone else at whatever place they resided, would there just be ordinary soldiers with Trapdoor Rifles sent there then?

Also, while not related to the army, what would the Pinkertons have used around that time?--Z008MJ (talk) 11:33, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

In that hypothetical situation Calvary would be the first group sent in, most likely with light artillery for increased firepower. The main firearms would be Trapdoor carbines and colt SAA or Smith and Wesson model 3 revolvers. For the tactics that would be used, look at the conflicts in the midwest involving Native Americans, as that is rather close to the situation which you are describing. Pinkertons were known to use mainly shotguns and revolvers, as they tended to get in conflicts at close range, but as to specifics of which type of each I do not know. Dover500 (talk) 12:26, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

If you take the 7th Cavalry at the battle of Little Bighorn in 1876 as an example, they were generally armed with 1873 Trapdoor carbines and carried a pair of Colt SAA revolvers (sabred were not carried to cut down on weight and noise). The officers would have also potentially have carried personally purchased weapons which they would also use for hunting, such as Remington Rolling Blocks and Sharp's rifles along with shotguns and possibly Winchester 1873s. Custer himself was though to have personally carried a pair of custom Webley RICs and a sporterised .50 Remington Rolling Block rifle. Scouts would have carried a variety of weaponry, often having both a single shot "buffalo" rifle like a Sharp's for long range shooting along with a repeating rifle such as a Henry, Spencer or Winchester, plus whatever sidearms they had. --commando552 (talk) 13:03, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Thanks, that is very informative. Were Henry's and Spencers still used at that time? I thought Winchester was all the rage then.

If no one has anything else too add then i have gotten enough answers, very helpful of both of you.--Z008MJ (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Experimental AA-12?

AA-12 shotgun should have been undergoing assessments in USMC since 2004... Are they being put into service? Should I add the AA-12s in the page?? --S9771773G (talk) 02:32, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

Oh no its alright， I have yet to see the Experimental section at the bottom of the page... Im just wondering if AA-12 has already enter service? --S9771773G (talk) 02:34, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

I doubt it. A full-auto shotgun is really a niche item. Just one shot with a 12 gauge will hit a human target like a sledgehammer at CQB ranges, full auto in the package seems like overkill. Spartan198 (talk) 20:22, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

Should the AA-12 be placed in the "cancelled" section of the Experimental category? Outside of one picture of a Marine firing one back when they "tested" (IE, had fun at the range for a hour) some back in 2004, I can't find anything to support the idea that the AA-12 is being tested--Mandolin (talk) 21:50, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

Apparently the Marine Warfighting Lab messed around with it for a while, but given the designer went on record in 2010 moaning that the military wasn't interested in it, they probably weren't interested in it. Also got to love how he compares the practical rate of fire of the M16 and M249 with the cyclic rate of fire of the AA-12 (counting pellets as bullets), and doesn't know the difference between a projectile and a round. Evil Tim (talk) 22:03, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

Sounds exactly like the kind of guy that would design the AA-12 and think it's a completely practical service firearm.--BeloglaviSup (talk) 02:20, 27 September 2017 (EDT)

HK45C Designation

I've seen on a few sites that the HK45C is designated the Mk 24 Mod 0 by the SEALs, I thought this was the designation of the P226. Are these sites wrong or is this the real designation and the SIG is actually the Mk 25 Mod 0? --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 22:36, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

I wasn't aware it had a designation to start with. Although people do seem to be running under the assumption that because SIG called their new SEAL P226 replica pistol the Mk25, that must therefore also be the Real Steel designation. The Wierd It (talk) 05:21, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

I was going off of this page. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 10:13, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

Personally I think the designations make more sense the other way around, since then it goes in adoption order (Mk.23 (SOCOM), Mk.24 (SIG), Mk.25 (HK45CT)). The Wierd It (talk) 11:06, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

Wasn't the SIG adopted in the 80's and the Mk 23 Mod 0 adopted in the mid-90's? --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 11:38, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

Whoops. >.< The Wierd It (talk) 11:44, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

The services' designation systems aren't as organized as some like to think. Psychological warfare! LOL Spartan198 (talk) 08:16, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

I sent a message to my source in NSW regarding designations of both the P226 and HK45 and what he told me was that the old-spec P226s were previously designated MK24 Mod 0, but are no longer type classified anymore (being referred to as simply "P226"). The current P226s with the mil-std rail are indeed designated as MK25 Mod 0, while the MK24 designation now refers to the HK45. He added that the MK24 Mod 0 designation has been interchangeable for a while. Spartan198 (talk) 11:11, 12 April 2014 (EDT)

MSR

Seems the Remington MSR is the winner of the Precision Sniper Rifle contract. The Wierd It (talk) 18:59, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

Adding it to the page. Edit: Hope that's good enough. Spartan198 (talk) 08:16, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

Mk 12

The US Marines should be among the users of the Mk 12. They use the Mod 1 version [1]. Scroll down, you can see a whole gob of pics of them in action. And these are rank and file, not MARSOC. Spartan198 (talk) 08:16, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

US Army use of M16A4s

This is a response to an edit removing the US Army from the user list for the M16A4. Here are two images of Soldiers with them in theater [2][3]. Spartan198 (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

SCAR-L Still Used by 75th Ranger Regiment

SCAR-L While most of them are using M4A1's with SOPMOD Block II, a few are still using the SCAR-L. This photo was taken in 2014.~James Woods

That's actually a SCAR-H with a 5.56 conversion kit. Look at the length of the ejection port and design of the lower. See that recessed area behind the magwell? SCAR-L lowers don't have that. As such, I've added 5.56 as one of the calibers under the SCAR-H entry. Spartan198 (talk) 00:56, 19 January 2017 (EST)

Here's some pics to back me up.[4] Spartan198 (talk) 04:46, 23 November 2017 (EST)

M320 Edits

I moved the M320 to "in service", since it's no longer experimental. The XM320 version remains in the experimental section since it's different from the final model. Spartan198 (talk) 04:53, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Browning Hi-Power?

So Browning HP has been used by U.S covert operations and special forces. Does that count? Supposedly, they were utilized by U.S. Office of Strategic Services (OSS) taskforces during WWII (most likely the Canadian Inglis variety) and during Vietnam war they were used on an unofficial basis by US Reconnaissance and Special Forces units. TrickShotFinn (talk) 06:16, 21 December 2014 (EST)

No M14

Is there any particular reason why actual M14s aren't listed anywhere on the page? There are the various modernized variants ala the M39 EMR listed but actual M14s used from the 50s even to today aren't present on the page at all. Is there any reason for this? --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 11:38, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Hmm, interesting, it does indeed seem that the M14/M14E1 isn't listed in the Out-Of-Service rifles section at all.. Why I don't know, but I think that might be some kind of oversight perhaps. Either way, should rectify that. As for the above comment about the Hi-Power, well, it might qualify for inclusion if one could find any close time it was used perhaps. I'd just add these entries but I'm gonna leave it to the folks who generally handle these pages. StanTheMan (talk) 13:45, 21 December 2014 (EST)

The M14 isn't actually out of service... the U.S. Navy still uses some semi-automatic M14s as the "M14 SMUD" (Standoff Munitions Disruptor.) It's also used ceremonially - as are the M1 Garand and M1903 Springfield, which might be worth listing on the page as well. --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 16:36, 21 December 2014 (EST)

I think the US Navy also still uses the M14 for line launching, due to the fact that the 7.62x51mm blank creates is higher pressure than the 5.56x45mm so it can thrown the line farther. --commando552 (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Updating the page

Should I/we update the page to include the presently used M14, M14E2 (used from 1963-1966), M21, M14 DMR (replaced by M39/MK11), HK33/'T223' (used by SEALs in Vietnam), & Colt Model 607 (used briefly in 1966 but still noteworthy.)

I also believe adding the M1 Garand, M1903 Springfield, M1917 Enfield, and M14 to the "In Service" list under JROTC might be worthwhile because they ARE still seen in these military units despite only being (for the most part) ceremonial weapons. --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 16:58, 31 December 2014 (EST)

M24

Why is the M24A2 and A3 not listed, are they not actually in service? Mr. Wolf (talk) 16:54, 11 January 2015 (EST)

Page is incomplete - it's missing even more significant guns like the M14 as well --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2015 (EST)

Out of idle curiousity, is the "30" for an Uzi because of historical military reluctance to fully load 32-round magazines, or just a straightforward error? I know some units prefer to load MP5s with 30 so they can put in a new mag without locking the bolt open, and back in WW2 issued mags for things like the Sten and MP40 would have 30 or even 28 rounds in them to spare the springs, IIRC they also did that with 28 or 26 in the Bren. Evil Tim (talk) 17:50, 11 January 2015 (EST)

I assume that the Uzi thing is just an error, I have never heard of a particular problem with the Uzi mags that requires downloading. I know that this was the case with the Sten, MP40 and Bren though. I believe that the reason with the first two is mainly due to the single feed causing magazine jams at full spring pressure, whilst the Bren suffered due to the rimmed .303 cartridge tending to bite into the feed lips with full spring pressure and not go fully into battery. This was an officially recognised issue with the Bren, even to the point that when Britain played around with the idea of pre-packaged disposable chargers for the Bren they were only for 14 rounds, so 2 would only fill a magazine up to 28. Lastly, I wouldn't really say that the MP5 uses a 31 round magazine which is downloaded to 30, more like it is a 30 round mag that you can technically fit a 31st round into but the gun stops fully functioning. As far as I know H&K have always given the spec of the magazine as 30 (well they do now anyway), and the manuals list it as a 30 round capacity as well. Hell, I could fit 31 rounds in a STANAG SA80 magazine and load it by just hammering the bolt into battery, but I wouldn't call that a 30 round magazine. --commando552 (talk) 11:33, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Ruger Service Six

Added the Ruger Service Six. It was issued by all the branches from approximately 1977 - 1993 when the Beretta M9 and the Sig Sauer M11 replaced all revolvers still in use. It was mainly issued to the various branches military police and civilian gate guards and was in use at the same time the Smith & Wesson Model 15 was being used. I can recall seeing some Air Force pilots carrying the Service Six as well in the Eighties when I was a very young private in the Army National Guard. The Defense Department stopped purchasing the M15 in the early seventies (approximately) so by the later part of the decade the M15's were getting pretty worn out. The Service Six served as a supplement. It was actually cheaper than the S&W and a bit more rugged (and that hurts to say because I'm a die hard Smith & Wesson fan). that's important when talking about firearms used by military personnel. I remember treating the various M16's pretty rough so you can only imagine how hard they would treat revolvers. --Jcordell (talk) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Interesting, and good to know. I thought I heard of Rugers being used but I assumed it was more concurrent with S&Ws rather than a semi-replacement/supplement. Yeah it's tough to hear they were cheaper and just as good if not better (tougher) but it is what it is. I gotta say the Ruger Security/Service/Speed Six line looks like a nice set of wheelguns to me as well, and I too share your feeling about S&W. Anyway, good to have more detailed info on this. StanTheMan (talk) 12:58, 12 January 2015 (EST)

A few months ago when I purchased my Smith & Wesson Model 19 snubnose there was also a stainless steel Ruger Security Six 4" for sale. It was sitting right next to the Model 19 and was about $50.00 cheaper. I had been looking for a M19 snubbie for several years, but I had to make a decision as it was. That Security Six was a pretty nice revolver, but I wanted the M19 snubbie more. --Jcordell (talk) 22:11, 13 January 2015 (EST)

Bah! How can you decide in that instance!? That said, more I've pondered it, the more I'd love to get a S&W 19/66 Snub myself.. It just seems like a nice size for a slightly-larger CCW wheelgun, more a waist or shoulder carry piece. But that's another discussion. Anyway, I understand your whim taking over, being a S&W man, but I think you couldn't have made a bad choice there. Anyway, again, good of you to provide that info. StanTheMan (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2015 (EST)

National Guard weapons

Should we include weapons used by the National Guard, such as the UMP40? Hi, My Name Is GameZone (talk) 15:51, 10 February 2015 (EST)

Do you have proof that they use it? I looked around, but didn't find anything. Spartan198 (talk) 21:42, 10 February 2015 (EST)

I'm pretty sure that the National Guard just use the same weapons as the regular forces don't they? Traditionally slightly older weapons but I do not believe that this is really the case any more. Are you perhaps mixing up National Guard and the Border Patrol? --commando552 (talk) 05:15, 11 February 2015 (EST)

M9 Replacement

It's going to be a Sig P320 variant: http://soldiersystems.net/2017/01/19/stop-the-presses-sig-wins-modular-handgun-system/ Thoughts? --John Ryder (talk) 01:14, 20 January 2017 (EST)

Well, it doesn't look like they'll follow through on the "we need to upgrade from 9mm for our soldier's future handguns" spiel they made earlier. Having said that, the P320 should have a larger frame size available to accomodate its .45 ACP chambering, so the option should be there if they ever need to change away from 9mm caliber for these handguns. SIG-Sauer already offers a version of its P220 handgun in 10mm using that handgun's .45 ACP frame size. --Mazryonh (talk) 01:46, 20 January 2017 (EST)

SIG offers the P320 in 9mm, .40, and .45, among other calibers, so it could still happen. The articles I've read all stated that the Army hasn't announced the official caliber(s) yet. Honestly, though, the fact that SOF almost universally prefer 9mm shows that it does the job. It's simply a matter of FMJ ball ammo being shit. Spartan198 (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2017 (EST)

I can't imagine they'll standardize the gun in another caliber. The .45 ACP variant has a rather low capacity, is (generally) a less effective penetrator than the 9mm, and is also more expensive (let alone the fact that they'd have to entirely rebuy all of their ammo.) .40 S&W again has expense concerns, and is also less effective with a suppressor than either .45 ACP (the king of suppressed pistol rounds) or 9x19mm, which is apparently a big concern for the Army with how much they insisted it use one. .357 SIG definitely wouldn't happen, obviously. They might equip themselves to retool some of the existing guns for specialized purposes, but on a large scale it doesn't make sense. And keep in mind that a lot of the SFs and units that really need specialized pistols have probably already had one (or two, or ten) designs of their own and rarely (if ever) used the M9 to begin with. --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 10:43, 21 January 2017 (EST)

Hate to throw a wrench in a rather good discussion, but is the M17(The P320's supposed designation) actually replacing the M9 or more? We have it listed as replacing the P228, but there are both full length and compact models. Do we know any more on what it is really replacing or no? --PaperCake 00:44, 22 January 2017 (EST)

Both. The full size is replacing the M9 and the compact is replacing the M11. Spartan198 (talk) 20:17, 30 January 2017 (EST)

Moving old experimental guns

In my personal opinion, old experimental guns that were never adopted (like the XM29 or .45 Luger) or only used on a small scale (like the early M16 special variants) should just be moved to the 'Out of Service' sections of their particular weapon type. I feel like the "Experimental" section makes more sense for guns that are actually currently being tested, because as it is it looks very clogged up. With that you could also reasonably fit things like the XM25 and P320 which are due for adoption but haven't technically been procured in any actual units while still having the page look clean. But that's just how I feel. Thoughts? --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 10:49, 21 January 2017 (EST)

I don't think so. If you move them to the other section above, then it would be misleading and could imply that they were used as actual service weapons, which is not the case. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:16, 21 January 2017 (EST)

M40A6

The M40A6 isn't a true MSR, they're just replacing the stocks. The USMC is retaining the same Remington short-action in 7.62 NATO, probably much to the chagrin of Scout Snipers. Spartan198 (talk) 20:31, 30 January 2017 (EST)

How designation work?

Well, I find it strange. Sometimes they are logical like the M4, which is the carbine adopted after the M3. Other like M9 or M136, or M1014 instead didnt. How does the designation sistem work? And what mean the -A in the improved version?--Dannyguns (talk) 05:16, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

It runs the gambit. Sometimes it's the year in which the item was adopted (M1903 Springfield, M1917 Enfield, M1911 pistol, M2010 ESR, etc.), while sometimes it's consecutive (M1/M2/M3/M4 carbines). Sometimes it's both. For example, I really expected the MHS winner would be designated M12, but I'm guessing M17 is taken from its year of adoption, 2017, while M18 designation for the P320 Carry appears to be consecutive. Other times, it just really makes no sense at all (XM8, XM29). Overall, it's really confusing. And the -A suffix means "Alteration". Spartan198 (talk) 20:22, 29 November 2017 (EST)

That said, the M4 carbine is consecutive to the M3 Grease Gun, not the M3 carbine. Evil Tim (talk) 14:44, 31 January 2018 (EST)

The M27 and M38 (DMR version of M27) are so named, apparently, because the 2/7th and 3/8th Marine battalion/company/whatever that first tested and used them. Because the Marines have to be special.--Mandolin (talk) 14:54, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Speaking of the M38, where should we classify it on this page? It's just an M27 (S/1/A FCG intact) with the ACOG replaced by a Leupold scope. Spartan198 (talk) 23:36, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

MHS procurement

From what I've gathered through various articles on TFB, SSD, and Kit Up!, it seems the only branch getting the full-size M17 is the Army, with the rest of the services expressing preference for the compact M18. Spartan198 (talk) 06:36, 29 April 2018 (EDT)

Why was my MHS edit reverted? Only the Army is getting the M17, the rest prefer the M18.

https://www.military.com/kitup/2018/04/11/marine-leaders-explain-corps-decision-buy-armys-new-pistol.html https://www.military.com/kitup/2018/03/27/navy-orders-60000-compact-versions-armys-new-sidearm.html https://www.military.com/kitup/2018/03/30/air-force-follows-navy-adopting-new-army-sidearm.html

Spartan198 (talk) 13:39, 8 May 2018 (EDT)

Here's another one.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/12/04/sig-sauer-unveils-civilian-version-armys-m18-modular-handgun-system.html

Fourth paragraph. Only the Army is getting the M17, the other services have decided on the M18. Spartan198 (talk) 01:55, 4 February 2020 (EST)

M39 cannon?

What in the military uses the M39 anymore? Some aggressor squadron? Do they even still have the cannon in them? Not like we'd have any ammo for them.--Mandolin (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

Training squadrons that use the F-5E and F-5F Tiger II. And it fires 20x102mm, I'd assume any still in service have been modified to shoot M61 Vulcan ammo if there's any difference between the two to begin with. Evil Tim (talk) 23:48, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

As Tim said, it uses the same ammo as the M61. But even if aggressors squadrons still fly F-5s, I don't know why they'd go through the trouble of flying with working M39 cannons. It'd make more sense just to replace them with ballast. --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

Navy F-5's appear to have had their M39s removed, as seen in this picture. The barrels should be protruding as seen here. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:50, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

Some have them, some don't, there are pictures both ways like this one. I think it depends on what model the planes originally were and where they came from. Some of them also have one cannon installed for some reason, and some pictures show what looks like a cap fitted over the end of the barrel and riveted to the skin of the aircraft to block off the muzzle (presumably from water and debris ingress) such as here and here (or is this some kind of training device to simulate cannon fire?). My guess is that some planes still have the gun because it is cheaper and easier to just leave it in there if it already had it. --commando552 (talk) 10:46, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

Two-seaters were only fitted with one gun to save weight. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

I think I am wrong about the two seaters retaining their single cannon, this image made me think they did, but I found this one showing that it isn't a cannon on the starboard side (it is actually an intake for the avionics), suggesting that the empty bay on the port side that it looks like the pilot is putting his personal gear in is where the single cannon was. --commando552 (talk) 13:26, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

Looking at the photo accompanying this Northrop Grumman press release, it looks like all the ex-Swiss F-5Ns had their guns removed. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:34, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

RIP XM25

It's officially canceled as of 24 July of this year.[5] Spartan198 (talk) 08:07, 14 August 2018 (EDT)

Press F to pay respects. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:34, 14 August 2018 (EDT)

F. Took them long enough to finally drop the damn thing. Now they'll have to invent some new weapon program to throw money at. --PaperCake 11:10, 14 August 2018 (EST)

M231 FPW

Are any of these things likely even still in actual use or are we counting the possibility that there might be a few laying around in an arms room somewhere as "in service"? A poster on Forgotten Weapons claimed most were sent back to Colt and rebuilt into the first run of M4s. Granted it's hearsay, but in all honestly, much of this whole page is based more or less on hearsay. Spartan198 (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

Seeing as there are photos of them in combat use (example) that post date the widescale adoption of the M4 I would say that this is not a reason to assume they are out of use. If you look on Youtube there are also a few videos of solider shooting them (mostly for fun with the insane rate of fire) relatively recently so it appears the they could still be around. --commando552 (talk) 15:47, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

They probably did throw out a fair few of them when they reduced the number of firing ports on the Bradley from 6 to 2 (modern ones only have a pair covering the ramp because the flank armour kits block the side ones) but I'm fairly sure a Brad still carries two for those remaining ports. Evil Tim (talk) 02:49, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Mk 12 SPR and Mk 14 EBR

Has anyone seen any recent evidence of these still in use? All the images of the SPR I find are ancient (as in the users are still wearing DCUs ancient) while the latest image of a Mk 14 in use I can find comes from 2013. I'm inclined to say both have since been phased out. Spartan198 (talk) 04:12, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

HK21 possibly still in use?

Found this picture of a Delta Force team in Afghanistan in 2001 and the gut on the far left, curiously enough, has an HK21.[6] Spartan198 (talk) 00:30, 23 August 2020 (EDT)

Update of sorts on XM109 from unlikely source

Black Rifle Coffee did one of their Veterans React videos featuring a pair of Barrett employees reacting to various .50 caliber scenes from movies and while commenting on the M82A2, aka "Iron Horn 20mm," in Jurassic Park III, one of them had this to say: "We did a 25[mm] with the XM109, but no one ever ended up buying it. The US government bought all our prototypes off of us." Spartan198 (talk) 21:25, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

1858 Remington?

The Remington 1858 New Army had 115,563 units purchased by the US, making 31% of the US's revolver purchases. Is there a reason it's not on this page? --VladVladson (talk) 14:14, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

Probably got overlooked, just add it yourself. --AgentGumby (talk) 16:46, 31 May 2021 (EDT)

It's done. --Jcordell (talk) 17:35, 31 May 2021 (EDT)

Acronym fail

"NAVSOC" actually refers to the Naval Satellite Operations Center, a component of the Naval Network Warfare Command. Naval Special Warfare Command, which I'm assuming its use here is referencing, is acronymed as NAVSPECWARCOM, commonly shortened to NSWC or WARCOM. Since the full acronym is a mouthful, which shortened form should we use? Spartan198 (talk) 19:49, 31 May 2021 (EDT)

I'd probably go with "NSWC", since it's more specific/descriptive; "WARCOM" seems like it could get confused with other things. Just my 1 1/2 cents, though. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:49, 31 May 2021 (EDT)

U.S. Army Usage Winchester Model 1200 (early eighties)

Caption with the photo reads: “Private First Class Art Burgess, a candidate in the Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP), 2nd Battalion, 75th Infantry (Ranger), fires a Winchester - built Model 1200 combat shotgun during special weapons training at Range 31, 13 January 1982.” The gun has been modified with a heat shield, bayonet lug/sling swivel, folding buttstock, and pistol grip. The Kevlar helmet was still several months out from being issued explaining the M1 steel pot helmet.

The soldier wearing a mix of the older green uniform ("pickle suit"), M1 steel helmet and the camouflaged PASGT (Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops) Kevlar vest give the date credibility. I attended U.S. Army Basic Combat Training in the summer of 1986 at Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri. Since we were recruits in a training unit, we were issued the M1 helmet and M16A1 along with more current LBE gear and the (then) very new lightweight "rip-stop" hot weather BDUs.It was a crazy mix of cutting edge and Vietnam era gear. Through much of the Eighties the Army was a mix of new gear and older gear being used side by side. --Jcordell (talk) 16:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I shudder at what the Marines were issued at the time... LOL Spartan198 (talk) 04:16, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Charleville?

Charleville Musket almost certainly belongs here. Any idea on end date for US use? -VladVladson (talk) 01:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Masterkey

I think it's safe to say we can move it to the Concluded area. The only picture I can find of it in a CAG operator's hands is from Gothic Serpent in 1993. Spartan198 (talk) 15:52, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Mk 46, 47, and 48

I moved the Mod 0s to Out of Service. At least according to the Mk 48 section of the Minimi page, the Mod 1 replaced the Mod 0 entirely by 2010. Meanwhile, I can't find a date anywhere for it, but the Mk 46 Mod 1 has also since replaced its predecessor. I just left the out of service year as ???? for now.

I'm also fairly sure the Mk 47 has been removed from service, but I can't find a date.

And lastly, are we sure on the adoption year for the Mk 46? It's listed as 2006, but I'm fairly sure it came before the 48. Spartan198 (talk) 08:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

SCAR-H in 5.56

Most SCAR-Ls seen in the hands of US forces are actually SCAR-Hs with 5.56 conversion kits.

See design of lower inside the trigger guard for the easiest tell.

Spartan198 (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

MP54

I assume this was tested in Vietnam? Does anyone know the source? Not trying to cast doubt or anything; i am just curious about how it was used. - FriendlyHornet 11:22, 22 january 2024 (BRT)