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Robert Culp

Hi there.I hope I'm formatting this correctly I've never posted here before. I'm a big fan of Robert Culp and I'm curious about the part about him being a helicopter pilot. I'm part of the I Spy Fan community and most of the folks there are dedicated lifelong fans and no one over there has evey heard of him being a pilot.He never mentioned it in any of his interviews, such as his three hour archive interview. I was wondering where you got your information from? Not arguing, just want to increase our Culp knowledge base. Would dearly love any info you have.Also do you have any furher info on the skeet shooting competitions or guns that he had?.We only have one photo of the skeet shooting, no details about competion. As near as we can tell he owned the S&W from Trackdown and the rifles from Home to Judgement. But would love to know any other info about his collection.There's quite a bit of info available about his training, fast draw etc. from his Trackdown days but not much after. Thanks TVFAN

Hello there TVFAN and welcome. Click on your name. I created a page for you where I have responded to your query. Here on imfdb we respond to each other on our respective pages.Not a big deal. We're just a bunch of anal retentive types. LOL --Jcordell 15:09, 30 May 2011 (CDT)

Gun Brand Page

Thanks for the feedback on the pages. I'm glad you like them. I having a bit of trouble coming up with some of the info for the older, less common guns. I'm mainly working from Wikipedia which is woefully lacking in information when it comes to Colts. Also, many of the individual pages for these guns are very poorly thrown together. Any information you can fill in would be great! I think S&W will be the LAST page I do... Happy holidays. --Zackmann08 16:34, 27 December 2011 (CST)

So finally got started on Smith & Wesson page. Please feel free to help out with any and all missing information! --Zackmann08 23:12, 4 January 2012 (CST)
I haven't added categories to the gun brand pages because I am waiting on Bunni to make the new category for them. They aren't actually guns thus they don't fall under the "gun" category. As for the S&W, you got me there. My bad. Thanks for fixing it. Ill watch for that in the future. --Zackmann08 10:51, 13 January 2012 (CST)

You did a killer job adding missing info to the Smith & Wesson page. Are you as knowledgeable about Taurus by any chance? :-) --Zackmann08 18:30, 19 January 2012 (CST)

Colt 1895 Automatic Machine Gun

Just out of curiosity, why did you undo the edit I did on this page (Colt 1895 Automatic Machine Gun)? I had made the Film, television and Animation categories Heading 3s, the way they are supposed to be formatted and you changed them back to Heading 2s... --Zackmann08 13:47, 28 January 2012 (CST)

Fair enough. I was told by multiple admins to follow the pattern set out by the M1911 pistol series and Beretta 92 pistol series pages. --Zackmann08 16:24, 28 January 2012 (CST)
Thanks. I figure it needs doing and I've got the time so I'm happy to help out. --Zackmann08 16:27, 28 January 2012 (CST)

Updating Pages

Thanks for the compliment. Nice to know that work is being noticed. :-) --Zackmann08 11:46, 7 February 2012 (CST)


I found a K-38 in inventory. Should I take a pic and include it into the Model 15 page? MoviePropMaster2008 00:24, 16 February 2012 (CST)

Cold Zero

He responded on my talk page. From what I can make out, I think he said he had to reimage his computer, and that he no longer had it, and was thus unable to finish it. Like I said, I think that's what he meant. --Funkychinaman 17:44, 15 April 2012 (CDT)

Killing the page will be complicated. There will be dozens of images to tag and delete, and some pages, like the Radom-Hunter page, were created just for that game and will have no reason for staying. --Funkychinaman 19:48, 15 April 2012 (CDT)

Pat Frank

By Matt Soergel Copyright 2009 The Florida Times-Union. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. June 15, 2009 - 10:34am Pat Frank’s ‘Alas, Babylon,’ 50 years later He loved to tell a tale — party yarns of his globe-trotting exploits, a made-up children’s story that went on every night for years, a best-selling novel about a world in radioactive flames.

He loved to booze — epic drinking bouts that went on for weeks, until his money ran out and he had another story to write.

And he loved women, who loved him right back, he was so damned charming. One quick story: His brother remembers going to his Atlantic Beach house one day and finding several naked or just-about naked women, hanging about the place. No big deal, apparently.

In his 57 years, Pat Frank went from Jacksonville Journal cub reporter to international war correspondent, from novelist to government official. He saw Mussolini dead, hanging from his feet in Milan. He traveled with John F. Kennedy on his 1960 presidential campaign. He wrote a Hollywood script for Rock Hudson.

It’s his novel “Alas, Babylon,” though, that is Frank’s lasting legacy — a harrowing, human story published 50 years ago, in 1959. The novel, set in a small Florida town after a nuclear attack on the United States, was an instant hit. It’s been reprinted many times; it’s found on high school reading lists; and it’s invariably put high on lists of the best post-apocalyptic fiction.

And it lives on, a half-century later, on YouTube, where high school students have posted numerous video adaptations of “Alas, Babylon” (wrote one admirer: “I just finished that book. It kicked butt.”)

Five years after “Alas, Babylon” was published, Pat Frank would be dead, his body shutting down after decades of drinking. The years of adventuring and boozing and writing finally caught up with him, here in Jacksonville, his hometown.

It wasn’t a long life, but it was a full one. As he wrote in a memoir: “I have seen all the continents and all the oceans.”

“He was bigger than life,” says his daughter, Perry Frank, “bigger than the problems he had.”

Pat Frank’s younger half-brother, Billy Barwald, turns 91 next month. He says Pat could not be counted upon when he was drinking, which was often. When he was sober? He was witty, irreverent, brilliant.

He saw his brother’s rise to the top, saw him dazzle readers and admirers. He saw his self-destructive spiral, and he drove him to the hospital where he died, bloated and wasted.

“I guess he ran through a couple of million dollars in his lifetime,” Barwald says. “And when he died, everything he owned could be put in a bushel basket.”

The teleprinter chattered again. “PK TO CIRCUIT. BIG EXPLOSION IN DIRECTION OF JX. WE CAN SEE MUSHROOM CLOUD.” PK meant Palatka, a small town on the St. Johns south of Jacksonville. Florence rose ... “I’m very sorry, Mr. Quisenberry,” she said, “but I can’t send this. Jacksonville doesn’t seem to be there any more” — from Pat Frank’s “Alas Babylon” (1959)

When the census-taker came by to see Pat Frank in 1950, he told her his profession: “beachcomber.” She, “a literal-minded lady,” apparently believed him. Probably because when she found him in Atlantic Beach, he was wearing only torn khaki shorts and a three-day beard, his typewriter had corroded in the salt air and he was sitting cross-legged on the floor working on his fishing tackle.

Atlantic Beach was his refuge. Frank had spent summers there as a boy, and as a man he often found himself back in the sunny beach town, “a sleepy backwater unruffled by the tourist stream racing down Route A1A.”

In his 1953 memoir, “The Long Way Round,” he wrote about belonging to “the Atlantic Beach Navy,” a drinking group in which “everyone is an admiral and your only duty is to have fun.” He wrote about water-skiing in the low-tide sloughs, pulled along the beach by car. He wrote of drinking moonshine whiskey while catching sharks, using a live chicken as bait, attached by a line to the axle of his rusty Model-T. When they got a bite, they cranked the car, put it into low and yanked the shark out of the ocean.

And he told how his journalism career blossomed profitably at age 16 as he tried to make enough money to take dancing “the most beautiful creature I have ever seen in my life.” She too was 16, “with tawny hair and eyes that changed shade with the moods of the sea and a body molded to slip easily into the sea, where she played most of the day, to the awe and astonishment of the tourists from Georgia and Alabama.”

More on his budding journalism careers follows, in a bit. But first, briefly, the women.

“I don’t care how ratty he looked, how crummy he looked, women loved him,” says his sister, Dolly Grunthal, 83, who still lives in Atlantic Beach. Frank was a good-looking man when he was younger, she says, but there was more than that: He could talk on any subject, and he was always ready for a party. “He charmed them,” she says.

His brother puts it a little more bluntly. “Wherever he was, there was alcohol and women, in large quantities.”

You can love many times in a lifetime, and for many reasons, and no love diminishes a man — Pat Frank, “The Long Way Round” (1953)

Pat Frank was born in Chicago in 1908, named after his father, Harry Hart Frank, though he always went by Pat. His father died of influenza when Pat was young, and so the boy moved to Florida with his mother, Doris, a member of the Cohen family that had started the department store firm. She later married Mont Barwald of Jacksonville, and the family moved to St. Johns Avenue and Cherry Street in Riverside.

The family also had a beach house between Sixth and Seventh streets in Atlantic Beach, where they went in the summer. In the mid-1920s, the enterprising teen became Atlantic Beach correspondent for the old Jacksonville Journal, a job, he notes, “about as far down the scale of reporting as one can get.”

How much he got paid depended on how much he wrote. That led to frustration because he soon found he had “written about everything that had happened in Atlantic Beach since the first Spaniard put his foot there.” Remember: He had to have money to take out that tawny-haired 16-year-old.

He clearly needed to write more.

So, under the guise of journalism, he ventured into fiction, inventing a new rich family that had come to summer in Atlantic Beach. They and their children were, he told the Journal’s readers, busy with all sorts of parties and comings and goings — all which Pat wrote about in great, embroidered detail.

It was all made up, all a crock. And he was, inevitably, caught. After a stern talking-to, he somehow managed to keep his job, which he returned to, somewhat chastened and smarter.

By 21, after a couple of years at the University of Florida, he’d gone from the Jacksonville Journal to the big time on New York papers. From there, he went to the Washington Times-Herald, where he became “the paper’s crime and disaster expert, in attendance at every throat-slitting, husband-poisoning, and ‘I-killed him-because-I-loved-him’ episode on the Atlantic seaboard, plus kidnappings, floods, the World Series, and the opening days in Congress and at Pimlico.”

Then came World War II. Frank was hired by what became the Office of Strategic Services, which would evolve into the CIA. He represented the United States in Australia and Turkey, then quit to become a war correspondent in Europe. After the fighting, he covered the Iron Curtain lowering over Eastern Europe, witnessing the bravery and the folly and the horror of war, the ineptitude of bureaucracy. On the other side of the world, mushroom clouds grew over Japan.

All that would inspire his next career: novelist.

There is no lonelier stretch of beach on the Atlantic than the twenty miles between Ponte Vedra and St. Augustine, in northern Florida ... — the opening line of Pat Frank’s “Forbidden Area” (1956)

Frank’s first novel, “Mr. Adam,” was published in 1946 and sold 2 million copies. It was an irreverent satire about the one fertile man left in America after a nuclear disaster. He proves to be a wanted man, both by women and the authorities.

Frank returned to the nuclear threat in “Forbidden Area” (1956), in which Soviet saboteurs landed on the same North Florida beach where Nazi spies came ashore in World War II. The book’s a cliffhanger in which the world comes to the brink of nuclear war.

That war came, of course, in “Alas, Babylon,” with millions upon millions dead and the survivors left “to face the thousand-year night.”

In 1962, in time for the Cuban Missile Crisis, Frank revisited that world in a short (and now rare) non-fiction book called “How to Survive the H Bomb and Why.” (His one foolproof way to survive? Move to Tasmania.) Frank wrote eight books in all, and numerous articles for magazines such as Collier’s and Playboy.

He did much of his writing in Florida, often in Atlantic Beach or at his parents’ house on Loretto Road in Mandarin, where years before they had moved their old Riverside house.

His brother, Billy Barwald, lives on what remains of that property, where he and his son Mike run Flying Dragon Citrus Nursery.

Billy says Pat would run out of money and come home to write. Billy would pick him up at the airport. He’d be in terrible shape. They’d take him home to Loretto Road. He’d dry out, then start writing — a book, a magazine article, even a film script.

Billy remembers that his brother was dead broke one day, then flourishing a $25,000 check the next, courtesy of honchos in Hollywood. (It might have been for a proposal for “Man’s Favorite Sport?,” which became a Rock Hudson-Paula Prentiss sex comedy directed by Howard Hawks).

Pat wanted Billy to drive him to the Buick dealership for a new car. Why not? He had the cash.

Billy, all these years later, gives a little laugh, half admiring, half reproachful.

“It just came that easily to him,” Billy says.

I could also visualize doctors, chemists, bacteriologists, and physicists … working frantically to discover new and better methods to depopulate the earth … This makes no sense to me. If I were a psychiatrist, I’d diagnose mankind as suffering with a combination of paranoia and schizophrenia, caused by the trauma of wars, a sense of guilt, and acute fear. What is needed is a long period of peace and rest — Pat Frank, “The Long Way Round”

Frank had two children from an early marriage: Perry, 68, who lives in Washington, D.C., and Patrick, 64, who lives in South Carolina. Both are writers, and both say they’re approached several times a year by people who want to make a movie of “Alas, Babylon.” It’s never happened, although CBS’ “Playhouse 90” did a live adaptation after it was published, with Dana Andrews, Kim Hunter, Rita Moreno, Barbara Rush and Burt Reynolds in an early, small role.

Most or all of “Alas, Babylon” was written in Mount Dora in Central Florida. Frank lived there with his last wife, Dodie, who’s remembered as a strong-willed, remarkably beautiful woman who, for years, was able to keep Frank sober and on track.

“He was, for some period, quite normal,” says Billy.

Around the time Pat and Dodie divorced, after the success of “Alas, Babylon,” Frank relapsed into alcoholism. A staunch Democrat, he worked on John Kennedy’s election campaign, and he went to Washington to work in the civil defense department — still living under that nuclear shadow.

In the fall of 1964, he came home one last time. He looked terrible, Billy says, and was soon in the hospital. He died on Oct. 12. The cause of death was listed as inflammation of the pancreas.

Perry Frank says she knows her father was an alcoholic, but that’s not how she pictures him. She sees him as the dad who loved hurricanes, who taught her to fish, who night after night for years made up “The Kaya Kaya and Feeta Feeta Adventure,” a saga of two children on an island.

She and her brother visited him frequently at the beach, where he seemed happiest. And that’s how Patrick Frank pictures his father: “I see him at his beach house, with his big map of the world, his big library, his typewriter, the ocean off to the left. I think his creativity kind of blossomed — that’s the image that comes to mind — in Atlantic Beach.”

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Hey. So first off, a disclaimer, I am posting the following message for each of the Admins so don't think I'm spamming. Just want to get input from all of you. I have been working on a number of infoboxes for different pages (Template:Infobox Movie, Template:Infobox TV, Template:Infobox Video Game). I have already gotten some help from Bunni who installed an additional add-on to facilitate the templates. I would love to get some feedback from you (and other admins) regarding these. Do you like the format? Are there things you would like changed? Should additional information be added? The nice thing is that with the add-on that Bunni installed, you do not have to provide all the information for the infobox. Any variables left blank will simply not be printed.

Finally, I would like to see how you feel about my adding these to pages. I have gotten positive feedback from a number of users (including at least 3 admins) but before I add this to more than a dozen or so pages (which I have done for testing purposes) I want to really get full permission. I know that sweeping changes are a MAJOR no-no without full admin approval. Check out the thread in the forum ( I look forward to hearing your feedback! :-) --Zackmann08 11:16, 9 May 2012 (CDT)

77 Sunset Strip

Are you sure that's a pocket positive? I've handled a pocket positive recently and they're TINY!!!!! No way that gun was a pocket positive. I photographed the screen used gun and it was way bigger than a pocket positive. MoviePropMaster2008 12:51, 18 May 2012 (CDT)

File:Winchester Model 1897.jpg

You have recently deleted the file "File:Winchester Model 1897.jpg".

12:46, 14 April 2012 Jcordell (Talk | contribs) deleted "File:Winchester Model 1897.jpg" ‎

There are several pages where this file was used. I came across this dead link and began replacing it with "File:WinchesterM1897.jpg" but stopped: due to several descriptions for the deleted file it depicted some different version of Winchester 97. May I ask why was "File:Winchester Model 1897.jpg" deleted and can it be replaced with "File:WinchesterM1897.jpg"? Thanks in advance. Greg-Z 05:06, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Yes, I understand. Well, may be it will be better to restore the file and look again on the pages where it is used? If the file can be replaced without any harm to the pages it can be deleted again, right? Greg-Z 03:49, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

M1912 Chilean Contract Mauser info.

These rifles were based on the Gewehr 98, but had a simplified tangent-leaf rear sight and a longer handguard, and were chambered in 7x57mm Mauser, which was Chile's standard rifle cartridge since 1895. Both a conventional 29.1"-barreled long rifle (with sight graduated to 2000m) and a 21.75"-barreled short rifle with a turned-down bolt (and sight graduated to 1400m) were ordered. The order was placed with Waffenfabrik Steyr, in Vienna, Austria, but due to the outbreak of World War I only 38,000 or so were delivered to Chile, and all further rifles produced were delivered to the Austro-Hungarian Army. In the late 1950's Chile adopted the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge as their standard rifle cartridge. Numerous M1912 long rifles were then converted to 7.62x51mm for use as war reserve. The rifles were converted either by drilling out the old barrel and re-rifling, or by mounting new barrels on the rifles, I'm not sure which. Some converted long rifles retained their 29.1" barrels, but many were converted to 23.5" short rifle types. These can be distinguished from original M1912 short rifles by their straight bolt handles and 23.5" barrels, as well as a rear sight graduated to 2000m. Steyr manufacturing quality is of the highest order, and these are some of the best M98-type Mausers to have. I have also seen a couple 7.62 NATO M1912 short rifles with 10-round integral magazines that were apparently made for police use.--Stomper 13:40, 22 July 2012 (CDT)


As the resident wheelgun expert, I would wondering if you could shed some light on an ID I've been trying to make. Please take a look here. It appears to be a Colt. It might be the same unknown revolver in Highlander. I initially called it a custom job, but I don't think it's a one-off, since The Hunted and Highlander were filmed in Vancouver and NYC, respectively. --Funkychinaman 10:15, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

Thanks. I would've never gotten that in a million years. It makes sense that it'd be in The Hunted. It wouldn't make sense if it was in Highlander though, so maybe it's not the same gun. --Funkychinaman 10:52, 1 August 2012 (CDT)


I changed your username on the forum. If you have any issues logging in, let me know. --Zackmann08 10:43, 24 August 2012 (CDT)

Smith & Wesson 659

Hi there buddy! Long time no see. I was wondering. You posted on the S&W 659 page that the rounded trigger guard was before the squared trigger guard. Where did you get that info? Just curious. All the information I have is that the Squared came before the rounded. Thanks! MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 00:58, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

Thanks for the input. Funny that it seems that the opposite was done for the 5906. The early models had the squared off trigger guards and all the later SNs had the rounded ones. Again, I defer to your input since you always back it up with references. On a side note, I tend to always buy the squared trigger guards, I like the look better. Again, thanks for your insight and wisdom. Always appreciated. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk)


Thank's for making me a userpage! Thejoker (talk) 11:49, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

Fatal Beauty AKS

Why I changed the picture of the AKS type 1 you had put up to a AKS typ 3 was because the type 1 AKS is rearly if never seen in an live action movie as they were only manufactured from around 1947 to 1949, the difference is that the type 1 uses an early stamped receiver while the types 2 and 3 uses milled receivers. --Thejoker (talk) 12:06, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

Tom Signorelli page protection

Please remove protection from Tom Signorelli page so I can add info about his appearance in The Sicilian. Thanks in advance. Greg-Z (talk) 13:40, 22 September 2012 (EDT)


Model 1887

I'm note sure what the story behind you changing the 1887 pic was, I fixed the dead links yesterday but I don't know if the new one you uploaded is the same picture, so I removed it from MPM's list of images uploaded on his user page. If it's the same one, could you put it back and fix the link? Evil Tim (talk) 03:41, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Oh, I didn't restore it, I uploaded a picture of a shark in a monocle smoking a bubble pipe and saying "I say" just so I could find out what was linking there and link it to your new file instead. If it's the same image, just undo my last edit to MPM's user page and swap the broken file link for the new one. Evil Tim (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Re: Colt New Service calibers

I don't know how you did it, but I feel indebted to you forever. This is exactly the information I've been looking for!

Please know that you now have a friend for life who will happily outfit you with tickets to a Steeler game upon any future visits to Pittsburgh as well as a trip to the local shooting range.

Well done and I'll certainly be saving the information before Colt comes after us for possessing such valuable information! Thanks!! - Speakeasy804 (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2012 (EST)

Colt & S&W

I remember a few months back you and I talked about you being fairly knowledgeable about S&W as well as Colt guns. Is that correct? --Zackmann08 (talk) 15:21, 11 December 2012 (EST)

Just been doing some work on Wikipedia lately. I'm working on Walther firearms right now but there are a LOT of S&W and Colt pages that need some serious work. You should check out the Wikipedia Firearms Project. --Zackmann08 (talk) 16:36, 11 December 2012 (EST)

Re: The Last Hard Men

I'm glad to make a good page about a good movie. BTW, I have a question about your last edit on the page: you changed "appears" to "plays". Some time ago I also used "plays" in such phrases, but I was corrected by Ben41: When writing actor summaries, please use the word "acted" or "appeared" instead of using the word "played", he said. So I'll change your edit back if you don't mind. Thanks. Greg-Z (talk) 00:09, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Actor Entries

Just to let you know, we're trying to save room on "Note" entries by putting just the episode title along with the season number and episode title. --Ben41 (talk) 00:53, 25 January 2013 (EST)

The Laughing Policemen

Thx. I bought The Laughing Policeman before having seen it. I actually didn't like it that much but the screenshots needed improvement. ;) Glad you enjoyed Bavaria. A friend of mine stayed in Munich for three years after he had left the U.S. Army. - Wicket1138 (talk) 20:12, 7 February 2013 (EST)

Revolver ID Help?

Hi, was talking to Funkychinaman and he recommended you. I have a problem identifying Jaws (Richard Kiel)s revolver in The Spy Who Loved Me. It bares a great resemblance to an Astra .357 revolver but the things that differ are the front sight and that the ejector rod on the weapon appears to be only semi-shrouded if you understand what I mean. Like if they had modified an Astra by sawing or filing away the part of the shroud that covered the sides of ejector rod but kept the front of it (don know of that’s possible, and I certainly don't know the reason for such a modification). Do you have any ideas or input on this? --Thejoker (talk) 12:28, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Here are a link to the type of Astra that I mean and the photos of Jaws weapon:


Richard Kiel "Jaws" signed photo.jpeg
TSWLM Jaws revovler.jpg

Okey thanks! Then I'll put it up as an Astra .357 Revolver, is that it's official name by the way or does it have a model number/name? --Thejoker (talk) 12:45, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Gun Pics

Great Model 31 pic. Did you take that pic yourself? :D I had a shot of a field gun for imfdb but I will defer to yours if you own the copyright to that pic :D Thanks for your great work. You always do great screencapping. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 14:24, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Revolver ID Help Again?

Hi, again. There are several revolvers I haven't been able to identify as I'm not that good at wheel-guns. But as you are, could you look at these pictures of various revolvers, some of them holstered, from Octopussy and see if there are some of them you know. --Thejoker (talk) 15:16, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

MP with a holstered revolver in the pre-credits sequence.
Another MP with a holstered stainless revolver circled in blue.
U.S. Air Force Base Security Police Officer with his revolver drawn outside the circus tent. Officer in front of him has a revolver in his holster.
U.S. Air Force Base Security Police Officer now inside the circus tent with his revolver drawn.
Gun seen next to the SP's head might be some kind of Colt revolver.
U.S. Air Force Base Security Police Officer, with his holstered revolver, getting his nuts kicked.
U.S. Air Force Base Security Police Officers holding Bond (Roger Moore) inside the circus tent. Holstered revolver seen in the lower left corner.
Man to the right holds some kind of snub nosed revolver.

Your comment

My response is .... "huh?" ;) I was talking about your pic of the Remington Model 31 Pump shotgun, which is wrong BTW. I wasn't talking about the Smith & Wesson 32 Hand Ejector. What are you talking about? I'm very confused here. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Ah ha! I figured out what is going on here!

Now I'm the one who is confused here. MY APOLOGIES!! I was asking about your original Remington Model 31 pic
Remington Model 31 Field barrel
and then got turned around and confused IT with this erroneous pic...
Winchester Model 12 Field Gun
(uploaded by Ben41) and his photo is of a Winchester Model 12, not a Remington Model 31.
Ack! Thanks for your understanding! I don't have the excuse of talking to a teenager on the phone, though! LOL. Call it early onset of Alzheimers!!! LOL I just got seriously confused with the 32 hand ejector thread. I would NEVER contradict you on early wheel guns. That's your specialty I think. :D MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 20:05, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Wheel-Guns Again?

Hi again! Thejoker here! Just wanted to check with you on your opinion about two revolvers in Code Name Coq Rouge (Täcknamn Coq Rouge). When I made the page I ideed them as S&W Model 19 Snub and Model 27 respectively but now as I heard about you I'd like to check with you so here they are:

Model 19

The first one I'm not as unsure about but I wanted to check with you anyway. I say it's an 2.5" Model 19 with Pachmayr Combat groove grips (not sure if that's the actual/correct name of the type of grips that I mean). My reason for that assumption is that it looks like it is a K-frame and has a non-tapered barrel, the barrel also looks to small to be anything bigger than .38 / .357. You're opinion?

Smith & Wesson Model 19 with 2.5" barrel and Pachmayr Combat grips - .357 Magnum. This is the kind of gun I think is used in the film
Guns grips seen still in the case as Carl chambers his Beretta 92F
Best photo of the gun there is
Very dark but might still give a clue
Kinda blurry sadly

Model 27

Next one's a little tricky! In dialogue the main character Carl (Stellan Skarsgård) identifies the revolver with the words ".44 Magnum, not bad!" but to me it doesn't look like a Model 29, I might be wrong though! I've identified it as a Model 27 as it looks like it an N-frame and that it has slightly tapered barrel. What I'd also like to know is what length you consider the barrel to appear to be? I'd guess slightly over 6 inches but I'm not sure, I'm European so inches isn't really my expertise. Also I've come to understand that the only visual difference between the M27 and the M28 is that the former has a glossier more shiny finish, so therefore comes my decision on the M27 as the gun in the movie looks kinda glossy. I'd really like to hear you're opinion on all this if you don't mind?

Carl describes it as ".44 Magnum, not bad", even though it appears to be a Smith & Wesson Model 27 in my opinion. Also this is the only time the gun is seen in the film.

Sorry that it got kinda long and I hope it's okey written. Really appreciate the help! --Thejoker (talk) 14:40, 1 April 2013 (EDT)
PS: Anything new on the other Octopussy revolvers?

Re Revolvers

Okey, thanks! If you've wondered why it took a while to answer you back it's because I had to go sleep, haha! I've been looking around a bit and like you say the front sight is a tough one. On all of the pictures that show guns with either of the front sights, Patridge or Baughman ramped, there seems to be sort of a "pre-ramp" on the rib, before the actual sights, and on the gun in the film their doesn't appear to be one, though it might be an allusion I can't be sure. It, to me, also does appear to be an older gun, based on the darker wood on the grips, I don't know if that's a correct assumption though. But I found a web page with a lot of older Smiths, here [[2]], and I found a picture of a gun that lacks that "pre-ramp", it's a Model 27, or actually the Registered Magnum, according to the sight, here's a picture [[3]], and the only description on the front sight was "Replaced red ramp front sight blade". The grips on the movie gun appear very dark brown and not so shiny and seems, to me, to be what the sight call either the "diamond center coke bottle grips or" the "diamond center unnumbered target grips". Off course I might be wrong, what do you say? On the sight there is also pictures of other guns that look similar to the movie gun. Here for example is an "38-44 Outdoorsman - five screw Transitional post-war revolver - .38 Special - 6.5" barrel." that also look very close to the movie gun [[4]]. So basically all I can say for sure about the movie gun now that I've looked around is that it's an N Frame Smith & Wesson with a ribbed barrel that I think is an older gun. So it could be either one of the .38/44 Model 23 (Outdoorsman), the .44 Special Model 24 (Model 1950 .44 Target), the .45 ACP/.45 Colt Model 25 (.45 Colt Target), the .357 Magnum Model 27 (Registered Magnum/.357 Magnum), the .44 Magnum Model 29 (.44 Magnum), or the .41 Magnum Model 57. Sorry this got a bit long again. What you think about all this? --Thejoker (talk) 09:09, 2 April 2013 (EDT)

PS: About Octopussy, no worries, thanks for just looking in to it at all, I mean not every body would bother taking the time.

Okey, thanks! Well I'll look it over one more time and then I'll see what I decide on, probably gonna be either a Model 29 or a Model 27. I've re-rented the movie to see if I can get any additional info out of that, I know there is one part where the arab guy who's holding the gun is handling some ammunition that he's putting into a small cloth bag, might not be the correct ammo for that gun but worth a shot. But is my notion that it appears to be an older gun, around the pre-numbered days, something you agree with or is it just my unfounded assumption? --Thejoker (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2013 (EDT)

artillery in rough riders

in order from top to bottom i would think:

75mm, 75mm, hotchkiss revolving cannon, mountain gun, 75mm, revolving cannon, 75mm,

splinter shield not removed on the 75 in those screens, but the muzzle is unmistakable. they would probably be american made 75s i guess?

my artillery knowledge is fairly limited to, but i can at least help that much.

--HarryO))) (talk) 12:11, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Walking Dead

I was going back and forth about it, since I wanted to include the reference about the gun going off. --Ben41 (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

Criminal Minds pic

- Thanks for the promo image of Reid, I think it'll be a good one to make more prominent when me and Ben get the individual season pages squared away. Good to see you're still around, also. StanTheMan (talk) 21:01, 19 April 2013 (EDT)


I don't think most people know. It's been around for a while though. I usually cap the special features if I could, so I'm a bit more familiar with it than most. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

Colt SF-VI

So it turns out all the Colt Magnum Carry's on this sight are actually Colt SF-VIs. Do you think they should get their own page or do you think they should be lumped in with the Detective Specials? --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:42, 23 August 2013 (EDT)

So we ended up turning the existing Magnum Carry page into a joint SF-VI/DS-II and Magnum Carry page (although as it turns out, there were never any Magnum Carry's here at all.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:50, 24 August 2013 (EDT)
Commando points out the thickness of the frame above the cylinder is a lot thinner and more like the SF-VI and DS-II on all the existing caps. Congrats on your daughter graduating, getting a kid out of the house must be a huge transition. I hope your health issues didn't cause you too much grief. The new enrollment process on the site has certainly cut down on the work here, since there are no longer waves and waves of spammers. I spend much of my time just culling the half-assed pages. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2013 (EDT)
I keep forgetting that everything is so spread out out where you are, so much so that you consider ten hours "not far." It's about ten hours from home in NJ to Ann Arbor, MI, so I've experienced it numerous times. It makes ME feel old knowing that this year's incoming freshman class was born the same year we got the OJ verdict. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:44, 24 August 2013 (EDT)


I learned that fix a few months ago, I think it was Bozito who taught me. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:05, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

You really like Tom Selleck, don't you? --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:21, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector Series

I don't really know anything about these revolvers and only reason I'm looking into them is that they turned up in something I am currently working on, but is the Mk II Hand Ejector actually a different variant of is it simply a 2nd Model chambered in .455 Webley? If the first is there any way to tell them apart, because if not then I think it would probably be a better idea to just combine it with the 2nd Model section wouldn't it? While I'm here, this is the gun that I was originally trying to ID:

Ripper Street S01E07 026.jpg
Ripper Street S01E07 140.jpg

I think they are .44 2nd Model Hand Ejectors but not sure. Also, do you know what the visible ammunition is? My guess was .455 Webley Mk II. --commando552 (talk) 09:31, 9 September 2013 (EDT)

Thanks for confirming the ID. I'm pretty bad at judging the frame sizes on these revolvers, particularly in this case as it alternated between being held by a man with big hands and a woman with small hands. Just trying to get get the models straight in my head, does "Mk II" mean the same thing as "2nd Model", or are they different guns? --commando552 (talk) 10:31, 9 September 2013 (EDT)


No problem. I had been wondering about those two pages for a while. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:55, 9 September 2013 (EDT)

I looked at the old discussion page, and it looks like I brought up merging the pages back in December of 2011. I've proposed merging or splitting a few other pages as well, but it could be quite a pain. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2013 (EDT)

Revolver ID Help Again

Hi again! Could you help me identify these two revolvers from Batman Forever. I think they might be some kind of Dan Wesson revolvers but I'm not sure. Do you know what they are maybe? ̣--Thejoker (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2013 (EDT)


Re Octopussy Revolvers

I have been looking at these pictures for a while and I have come up with a few suggestions that I'd appreciate if you could take a lock at and comment on. --Thejoker (talk) 19:01, 8 October 2013 (EDT)

Colt Official Police

Colt Official Police - 5" Barrel - .38 Special
I think the one you previously thought was a Smith & Wesson Military and Police, the one that the Officer is holding, might actually be a Colt Official Police.
And I think this one is an OP as well, looking at the rather slant shape of the front of the frame.
Same thing here, its just that the rest OPs the barrel is obscured by the clowns hair.

Smith & Wesson K-38 Combat Masterpiece

Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38 Special
This is mostly a guess based on the S & W magna stocks, but I'd say it's an S & W K-38 Combat Masterpiece Model No. 15 that the Officer has in his holster there.

Smith & Wesson .32 Hand Ejector

S & W .32 Hand Ejector with 3-1/4” barrel
This is just out of the blue but I think this might be a .32 Hand Ejector based on the round grips.

The Wind and the Lion

I marked The Wind and the Lion as incomplete since it's missing caps for the Mausers. If they're seen clearly enough to make out the type, it should be clear enough to get a screencap. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:21, 24 November 2013 (EST)

If you have the DVD, you might as well redo all the caps, since it looks like the existing caps come from a lesser source. I was hoping to get Blu-Ray caps, but I don't think it's out on Blu-Ray. If it is, Netflix doesn't have it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:06, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Browning BL-22 page

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... in November 2010 you have created a Browning BL-22 page. In December 2011 Nyles wrote on the discussion page that the name isn't correct, the BL-22 is a different rifle while the one that this page is about is a Browning 22 Semi-Auto. Years passed, and now I found this page while working on this entry. So my question is: don't you mind as a creator of "BL-22" page if I rename it in "Browning 22 Semi-Auto"? Thanks! Greg-Z (talk) 11:56, 8 December 2013 (EST)

My Name is Nobody

No problem. Thanks for the page. --Ben41 (talk) 18:18, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Please help with revolvers

As you are the expert on revolvers, may I ask for some help? A strange revolver appears in Cover Up. It looks almost alike Smith & Wesson Model 586 but lacks adjustable rear sight, like Smith & Wesson Model 581. But it's not a Model 581 as it has the high profile front sight. Can you help with this mystery? Maybe it's a Model 586 with removed rear sight? I tried to google but found nothing. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 14:09, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

Thank you! If I'm not too bothersome, I would like to ask some more questions. First, the revolver in Crime on a Summer Morning. At first I made a guess that it's a Colt Pocket Positive (judging by the barrel length and length of ejector rod), but this guess was definitly wrong, so now I have a version that it's a Colt M1889 with 3" barrel. It has large frame, and the lenght of the barrel and ejector rod seem to match the screen gun. One more mysterious revolver appears in Contraband. I have a guess that it's some Spanish model, Astra or Llama but I still cannot find a matching gun. And the last, but not the least, is a revolver in Gang War in Naples. It looks like a combination of Colt Python barrel with frame of S&W revolver. Any help would be priceless. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 02:26, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
Many thanks! Greg-Z (talk) 12:11, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
Sorry to disturb but I have one more addition: the revolver that looks very similar to the one in Gang War in Naples is seen in The Police War. Maybe it will be useful for identification. Greg-Z (talk) 15:54, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
Great thanks! So the mystery is revealed. I've heard about Smythons but I had no idea that they existed in the 1970s. Greg-Z (talk) 02:14, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

Help on revolver ID

Hey, long time no type, sir. I know this must be getting to be like a broken record with you, but I myself could use some help on a revolver ID. This is from Criminal Minds - I'm gonna post these on the talk page there but I figured I'd consult the resident wheelgun expert directly as well. Anyway -


StanTheMan (talk) 22:05, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

Bah, Astra, of course. I knew it had to be some foreign piece - It was awful S&W-looking (as many foreign revolvers are), but I knew it wasn't a Smith. Thanks much! StanTheMan (talk) 13:47, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
I hear ya on that - I too like the Astra, looks good and seems solid, but being (if only loosely and visually) S&W based I suppose that figures. I've never given much regards to the Taurus line but a couple of those have caught my eye too. Though I've heard at times they're not quite as solid. Still, I agree, just good to have an 'abuse' piece to just shoot on, kinda like that beater muscle car you drive like a maniac so you don't have to rag out your restored Charger as much, heh. It'd be cool if you pick one up - Would like to read a first-hand review on it. Anyway, thanks again for the help, and good to talk with ya again, as always. StanTheMan (talk) 13:02, 19 September 2014 (EDT)

Unused Revolver Images

While working with unused images, I found several images of revolvers that you have upload in 2009: Media:S&W registered snubbie.jpg, Media:Prewarone.jpg, Media:Heavy.jpg and Media:Heavytwo.jpg. They look interesting and I think that it would be more useful to put them on appropriate pages than to delete them. May I ask you to do this? Or, if these images are truly unnecessary, let's delete them. Thanks in advance. Greg-Z (talk) 10:51, 22 November 2014 (EST)

Smith & Wesson 12G

I have a Smith & Wesson 12 gauge w/Model 1000 stamped on receiver. I can only find reference for pump model 3000. Why? Thanks

Revolver in L'Arma

Many thanks for help! I still encounter difficulties while trying to distinguish S&W Model 27 from Model 28. Greg-Z (talk) 13:40, 31 May 2015 (EDT)


Thanks. Just trying to help. --Ben41 (talk) 20:32, 23 July 2015 (EDT)

Colt New Service

Thanks!!!Got some questions .I heard that a .45 ACP round is stronger in a semi automatic than in a revolver because the revolver rounds lose a part of the gas between the cylinder and the barrel(except the Nagant),while the semi automatics don't lose gas.Wich is better: Revolver or Semiautomatic? 45 LC or .45 ACP? New Service or M1911?--VLAD M (talk) 12:43, 27 December 2015 (EST)--VLAD M (talk) 12:43, 27 December 2015 (EST)

There is a loss of approximately 15 to 20 feet per second when a 45 acp is fired in a revolver - which is due to the "jump" that the bullet has to make from the casing to the barrel when fired in a revolver. That's why the cylinder in the 45 acp revolver is shorter. The 45 auto pistol is a little more accurate than the 45 acp revolver, but not enough to make all that big of a difference. For many many decades the revolver was a stronger and more reliable design than the pistol. In the past 30 years that has changed and pistols are strong and very reliable. I'm a police officer and I carry the GLOCK 19 (9mm) as my primary. My back-up is the five shot S&W Model 49 Bodyguard (38 Special).If given a choice between a revolver and a pistol as my primary I would choose the pistol as well. I can carry fifty cartridges very easily in three box magazines. Try carrying that many cartridges for a revolver. That is eight speed loaders! Very bulky. Pistols are faster to reload and many people tend to shoot them better. I'm a big revolver guy. I collect them and I enjoy them, but in this day and age the semi-auto pistol is the king. --Jcordell (talk) 22:34, 27 December 2015 (EST)

.38 Special Myth

So,you have a .38 Special as your back-up and a 9mm Glock as your primary.Interesting!Do you know the movie The Enforcer?Clint Eastwood mentions that he had seen .38 Special cartridges unable to penetrate even a car windshield.Also,in the movie The Godfather Part II there is a scene with a man firing a Colt Detective Special(.38 Special)firing a few shots at a car.He fired three times(?) and none of the cartridges penetrated the car windshield.So,I guess that it was a common myth in the '70s that the .38 Special cartridges are weak.I have seen a balistic gel. with a .38 Special and it prooved that the .38 Spec revolver is not as good as a .45 ACP from a M1911.

What do you think 'bout this myth? Do you belive that a Smith & Wesson 52 would be stronger than a .38 Spec revolver? --VLAD M (talk) 11:15, 28 December 2015 (EST)

Double Rifle Image

One you posted, specifically this one

12221602 1.jpg

It's in the talk page for H&H and set on top of a couple of thumbs of Wesley Richards doubles (or it was, it's been moved around a bit since I did a bit of clean-up on that talk page) - I'd say this is one is a Wesley Richards as well (looks like the other two mostly), BUT I wanted confirmation on that from you, since nothing was written in the thumbnail description and the filename has no identifying syntax with it. StanTheMan (talk) 19:05, 19 April 2016 (EDT)

That's cool, thanks. Like I said I was cleaning the page up a bit and was curious about it. Do you know the model or at least any other specific details, like the lock type (I'd say it's a sidelock, comparing with the other images) and/or caliber (looks to have thinner barrels than the others, so I guess it might be a .375)? Would like to describe it for the page. Appreciate the help. StanTheMan (talk) 01:45, 20 April 2016 (EDT)
Very good. Some interesting details. I think I'll just mainly copy-and-paste what you said onto the page for the time being - Hope it looks ok. Thanks again, sir! ;) StanTheMan (talk) 16:52, 20 April 2016 (EDT)
That being said, perhaps it might be prudent to set-up a general 'Double Rifle' page to encompass all the makes on the site, as we do with the single and double-barrel shotguns. I know we have a page for H&H (understandable since it's the most well-known and featured of the bunch) but several other makes are on the site (There's the Searcy in The Lost World and there are Westley Richards' on a page or two, Tremors 2 immediately comes to mind) and having those other guns listed on the talk page for the H&H just seems a bit disorganized and fuggered. I also think your recently-attained (and impressive) considerable knowledge of them (much of it you're posted on said talk page) would make for a great write-up that would look better on a general 'Double' page. But perhaps it may be a bit too much.. Hmm. I'll broach this idea with the other admins but in the event, would you be up for such a thing? I'd be happy to help (especially in regards to any of the more technical stuff, formatting and such). StanTheMan (talk) 17:04, 20 April 2016 (EDT)

== Hey Everyone, MPM2008 here. How have you been? Will be posting some nice pics of screen used guns soon. I saw PhoenixEnt over the weekend and it was nice. Got some great help from PhoenixEnt, Papac from Cinema Weaponry and Mike Tristano and a few others (but I had forgotten how much a hassle it is to set up backgrounds and studio photography of the guns. LOL. best regards, MPM

Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer redirect

I undid a lot of your changes, since there's already a redirect for Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer. If you click on that link, it already goes directly there. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:59, 14 July 2016 (EDT)

Some question of rare gun in movie

Hello Jcordell! I'm sorry, I have some question: I know, that pages about media, that contain only tanegashima matchlocks are ineligible. But, the movie "Azumi" contain not only standart arquebuse, but also contain very rare, but realy historical exist Japanese matchlock revolver-pepperbox, so, I created the stub on discussion page: Talk:Azumi‎. May you visit it for it discussion about it's eligibility, please. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:06, 17 January 2017 (EST)

RE: Sharky's Machine

No problem. To be fair I most like wouldn't have done any better back then myself. :) Anyway, 'tis what I do much of the time - get the odd more obscure and neglected pages and get them up to standard (mostly). Do that in lieu of anything 'new', which I've been kinda lax on especially over these last few months. Granted I had hoped to do but lost access to the films/etc so can't get screencaps and all that. Still, I got a couple other things I could pick back up on, including collaborating with ya on that Double Rifle page I had mentioned a bit (err.. a year) back. I'll get to it.. eventually. heh. StanTheMan (talk) 01:59, 27 February 2017 (EST)

RE: Doubles, take two

Yeah, same here about working up to getting to it - It'll be a bit of a job after all. From my view its just wanting to condense it and have a single general spot where we can be wholly inclusive, as we do for the DBL/SBL shotguns, and some other pieces (Mauser rifles, etc) - Having somewhere to go for the lot, including the 'unknowns'. I prefer that to having one or more haphazard pages for particular makes/models that only show up in a few spots while omitting others - I think it just looks worse from a standpoint of looking-up on the wiki. We could branch into separate pages later as we get IDs and such more squared away, but for right now, for me, it's just a case of getting all the 'clutter' into one spot. I do agree it would be a nice project, especially since again one of us has gathered a lot of good knowledge for it. StanTheMan (talk) 01:29, 2 March 2017 (EST)

Screenshot name

Could you please rename your screenshots before you upload? The last few ones had incredibly long filenames. --01:35, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

John Bryson

Please be careful about the source of biographies used for actor pages. --Ben41 (talk) 22:15, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

Tin Star

I am going to put the Tin Star page as inactive. If you have future screenshots, you can reactivate it. --Ben41 (talk) 16:15, 11 October 2018 (EDT)

Miguel Ferrer

What are real Knight's Armament Revolver Rifles made from? Are they based on existing revolvers or are they built from scratch? If they're all built off of Rugers, then I suppose it's a moot point. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:26, 25 November 2018 (EST)

Ah, nevermind then. Hmmm, it's a bit of a conundrum. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:28, 25 November 2018 (EST)
It's just a sniper rifle which is underpowered and can't be suppressed, so super useful. Anyway, it's an interesting question. If you modify an S&W 39 as an ASP on your own, is it an ASP or just a modified S&W 39? --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:38, 25 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Remington 721 Photo

No problem, J. Also, would you have any objection to me moving the page to just "Remington Model 721" instead of "Remington Model 721 Rifle"? It'd fit the pattern of the other Remington rifle pages better (e.g. the Remington Model 700, the Remington Model 572, Remington Model 8, etc.). See ya, Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:25, 14 December 2018 (EST)

Alright, thanks for being understanding. Take care, Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:56, 14 December 2018 (EST)

Winchester Model 88 Edits

Hi there, J. I noticed that you recently undid some of my edits to the Winchester Model 88 page, most of which were centered around fixing typos and grammar issues. Would you be so kind as to explain why? I don't see how anything I did was in any way detrimental. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 08:31, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Alright, that's fair, but for future reference, please try to edit parts of this individually. In undoing my edit entirely, you reverted some grammar and formatting changes that I'd put in there (I'll go back and re-add those now). It's not a huge deal, but please just keep it in mind next time. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:11, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

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