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2017

A Happy New Year to all! --Ben41 (talk) 18:44, 31 December 2016 (EST)

Damn, looks like somebody beat me to it. Oh well. Here's to another year of letting people know about the guns they're seeing in popular media. It'll sure be fun for me (even if I did get my wisdom teeth removed last Friday), and I hope it will be for all of you, too. May your 2017 be free of Lyme Disease and Communism. Cheers! Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2016 (EST)

Some question of rare gun in movie

Hello! I'm sorry, I have some question: I know, that pages about media, that contain only tanegashima matchlock are ineligible. But, the movie Azumi contain not only standart arquebuse, but also contain very rare, but realy historical exist Japanese matchlock revolver 1, 2, 3, like this. So, may I upload screenshots on discussion page to view it for Administrators.

Azumi page on imdb. Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:48, 6 January 2017 (EST)

I added screenshots to disscussion page: Talk:Azumi. What do you think about eligibility of this page? Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:02, 19 January 2017 (EST)
I vote for eligibility as the exact version of the gun is identified now. Greg-Z (talk) 13:37, 19 January 2017 (EST)
Thank you very much! What will be the decision of other admins? Pyramid Silent (talk) 18:14, 22 January 2017 (EST)

Excess Gun Image(s)

Most recent example - http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Remington_870_with_Hogue_pistol_grip.jpeg
Straight-up, I'm not sure this is a worthy image for inclusion. It's clearly a jacked one of someone's personal gun and not even that good a pic, either. I've seen quite a few excess gun images of this speed around actually, many only used on just one particular page (if that). Forgive me but I'm of the strong opinion that just because one particular show or movie has a gun in a particular configuration doesn't mean we absolutely have to have an image - in this case, *any* image - of said gun in said particular configuration. As stated we're not a gun encyclopedia, and I think this kind of thing leans a bit too far that way, frankly. I'd start marking some of these for deletion review but before I do I wanted some additional input on this. StanTheMan (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2017 (EST)

Makes sense to me. What page was that image used on btw?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 06:27, 18 January 2017 (EST)
"The following page links to this file: Talk:Remington Model 870" --Slon95 (talk) 08:05, 18 January 2017 (EST)
It was uploaded by Ominae I believe for the Gotham S3 page, now it looks like on that page it's been replaced with what I still think is a superfluous but admittedly much better image by Ben. I had put it on the talk page before deciding on posting about it here - I'll take it off there and nuke-tag it. That aside, I still think we have quite a load more of one-off gun pics and I wonder if they're really necessary in many cases.. I doubt it, but again, I wanted some extra input before I started nuke-tagging anything much more. StanTheMan (talk) 15:44, 18 January 2017 (EST)
I've deleted the original image, but I think it is worth keeping the newer one that Ben uploaded. It is different to all of the other pistol gripped 870 images we have, as all of them either have a shorter barrel or an extended tube. I wouldn't be surprised if there are actually other pages already that would benefit from this image, where this one is a closer match but people have used other images as there wasn't one like this available. As for the wider issue of when to stop adding gun images, my opinion on it is that we do not need pictures of every gun with every accessory that has been used. For example, we do not need a picture of an M4 with an Aimpoint T1 because it appears in one film. However, in this case it is actually the configuration of the gun itself that is unique rather than accessories attached to it, so I think that it is worth the image. Also, it isn't like this is some weird and esoteric custom build, it is a vanilla 870 that has had the stock replaced with a pistol grip, so a pretty common gun I would imagine. --commando552 (talk) 16:58, 18 January 2017 (EST)
Well most of the problem here was the chump image originally put up, which has been dealt with (thanks BTW, Ben). That said, I agree there are other some pages that could use this one and that's all right, great, even - If it can be spread out some, and/or is needed for reference or something I've no problem, but I still think there is something about some gun images again that are only used/meant for one particular page - To have a gun image for one page because it 'matches' in every respect seems a bit ridiculous (that's even if it's used on a page) - Yet people seem to do that quite a bit lately and there are already a fair number images like that it seems. StanTheMan (talk) 14:42, 19 January 2017 (EST)
We used to have a serious problem with some users (and some mods) who had this weird fascination with putting as many screencaps as possible. This led to a change in the Rules and regulations. I remember one page that had 30 (!!!) screenshots of the same character firing or brandishing the same gun in nearly identical poses. It was silly, and thankfully, we don't have that problem any more. Many pages that were created a while ago, might still not be updated. Don't be alarmed if you see a ton of weird page formatting and photo discipline. Check the dates and they're usually OLDER pages, back when IMFDB was more of a 'wild west' ;) MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 04:47, 4 April 2017 (EDT)

One Gun Pages

I somehow confused. Do correspond pages with only one gun (which there was a lot lately) to IMFDB standards, or not? --Slon95 (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2017 (EST)

Rules, Standards and Principles say in what case such page qualify: "1) the firearm is identifiable, well seen and important to the story. A film where 'some character' wields an 'unknown revolver' means nothing. 2) it has enough screen time for any viewer to wonder what make or model it is. 3) it must drive the plot forward and not be an 'incidental' prop (like something hanging on the wall in the background).". Greg-Z (talk) 12:53, 20 January 2017 (EST)
I was actually wondering about that. There's a really cool game called "Receiver" that only has two guns, a commander sized 1911 and a snub-nosed revolver (really bad at IDing revolvers). I was thinking about making a page for it, but since there's only two guns, it would feel a little bit unnecessary.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 13:22, 20 January 2017 (EST)
Movies and games are quite different things. At least movies show real guns, not something drawn on computer. Greg-Z (talk) 13:33, 20 January 2017 (EST)
Well that guns are "real" in that they are based of actual firearms that exist (and function) in the real world.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:03, 20 January 2017 (EST)
No, that's not always true. There are tons of Anime and VG examples where the gun is a fanciful part of some designer or artists' imagination. At least in Movies and TV, you KNOW that the item actually physically exists, even if it was built from scratch by some prop department. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 04:49, 4 April 2017 (EDT)

Requesting a page for Mine (2016)

So i recently watched the new Armie Hammer's movie and i think it would be neat to include that movie, there are G3s and AK derivatives used by the insurgents as well as M4s, berettas and Armie's sniper rifle which i think its a McMillan Tac .338 but not so sure:https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OkOcVIR0CL4/maxresdefault.jpg

You can see the rifle very well and with better view in its movie trailer that you guys can watch though.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 17:36, 2 February 2017 (EST)

Once it's out, you're more than welcome to complete the page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:03, 2 February 2017 (EST)

Assessment

Having doubts that this is qualified, but need another set of eyes for this.

http://postimg.org/image/45ppbm3sd/

http://postimg.org/image/dea42nz0f/

Ominae (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2017 (EST)

Looks like a slightly crudely modeled Glock 19 to me. StanTheMan (talk) 01:22, 24 February 2017 (EST)
Thought so too. I assume it's a no go? Ominae (talk) 12:04, 24 February 2017 (EST)
There are a lot of better pages you can be working on. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:20, 24 February 2017 (EST)

Adjustments

I made some necessary changes to the Assault Rifles category. For some reason, it doesn't show up on the Main Page, so I'm posting here to let you know about it. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:58, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

I've been tempted to do a joke page for April Fools, like a page for Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings, but I didn't want to set a bad example. Although I suppose the best prank would be to just restore the page for that porno someone created last year. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:17, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
Okay, I know that it probably exists on the Internet (believe me, I've made more than a few poorly worded Google searches that I came to regret), but what kind of professionally/officially released porno has an eligible amount of guns in it? Actually, scratch that, I don't want to know... Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:33, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
Honestly can't remember if it was an 'original' piece or some parody (probably the latter), but there's at least one more recently where in just embedded ad clips I've seen there were several firearms well displayed that, other elements notwithstanding, would make it quite worthy of inclusion. Technically I would think it would be possible to do films of that sort if the firearms are shown in SFW spots, but as pornographic titles have a non-explicitly stated but quite implied unilateral ban, well that's pretty much that. Would make for a good joke though, I agree. StanTheMan (talk) 02:24, 2 April 2017 (EDT)
They just have to start making parodies of the right films. This isn't Black Hawk Down, or John Wick: A Porn Parody. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:56, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
You also need to bear in mind that in a lot of countries there are laws that prohibit "violent" pornography. Even if you made a porno with gunfights that were in SFW portions, I am not 100% sure how the law works with this and I doubt that companies would want to take the risk. As for whether we ban them or not, we don't explicitly (no pun intended) do so, and personally (assuming that the page could be made relatively tastefully) I would not necessarily be against including them. However I don not think that there are many made that would fit our current inclusion criteria in the RSP. Mainly, we state that "the title must be available to the general public through recognized channels of commerce (Amazon, Blockbuster, Netflix, etc.). Self distribution via Amazon, home distribution or micro distribution websites do not qualify". Although pornography is available on Amazon, I believe that it is only through other stores where Amazon handles the transaction so it is arguably inelligible. However, if there was a "pornographic" film which somehow got a wide theatrical release (the most recent example of this sort of thing that springs to mind is stuff like Nymphomaniac) and it featured guns to our inclusion criteria, I would not have a problem with it getting a page. All thing considered though, it is unlikely to happen too much if at all. --commando552 (talk) 13:48, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
IIRC somebody tried making a page for some pirate porn movie. Also, LOL Blockbuster.--Mandolin (talk) 08:37, 4 April 2017 (EDT)

Am I the only one...

...who is getting sick of seeing the The Fast and the Furious series in the Featured Article section?--Jake Stuckey (talk) 08:57, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

Every once and awhile, the featured articles have a theme. To commemorate the new F&F movie, it's currently all F&F movies. It'll change soon. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:07, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

Call Of Duty: WWII Announced

Well, Activision just confirmed the WW2 setting for this years COD. At least that means it'll be easier to make a page for now! Also, just simple hopes, but I HOPE they have the Battle For Castle Itter in this game.--SeanWolf (talk) 13:51, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

Was the original title Call of Duty: We've Run Out of Ideas? Since it's Sledgehammer, it looks like Advanced Warfare will joining Ghosts on the Island of Unresolved Storylines. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:00, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
Well, given how those two games you mentioned were so hilariously unpopular, I think that it's pretty clear that they won't be getting a sequel, largely due to the reputation built up by their predecessors. Also, Sean, we all have our hopes and dreams. I, for one, just hope that they throw in some more obscure weapons (preferably those actually used, but I'm down for prototypes, too), and finally pick up on some of the age-old errors (like holding Stens by the magazines and whatnot). Not likely, but hey, a man can dream. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
Regarding the Sten part, Sledgehammer Games did it correctly in Advanced Warfare, so ya can sleep well. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:01, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
Well, folks, get ready. The trailer's coming out this Wednesday. Prepare thine anus. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:00, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
What I do actually hope (but wouldn't be more than dreaming) is that when reloading a pump-action shotgun they finally learn to only cock it when empty. Still can't believe that it was done correctly in the 10-year old CoD3 but not in any of the later ones. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
Trailer dropped and I was able to spot a Grease Gun, M1 Garand, M1903, STG-44, and a Luger P08. --SeanWolf (talk) 13:33, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

Rifle IDs

I can use some assistance with IDing a few commercial bolt-action rifles. The last one should be easy, with a very nice hsot of the bolt, but I just can't find anything that matches it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:33, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

Closeup of the rifle in "Down by the River" (S4E01).
Mitch Dye (Keith Andreen) and Seth Buyers (Shane Woodson) with their rifles in "The Calling Back" (S04E06).
Seth Buyers (Shane Woodson) takes aim with his rifle in "The Calling Back" (S04E06).
Trot Smic (Aaron McPherson) with an unknown rifle in "What Happens on the Rez..." (S04E10).
Henry's rifle is seen in Season 4's finale "What Happens on the Rez..." (S4E10).
The bolt action seen in the rifle in Season 4's finale "What Happens on the Rez..." (S4E10).
I am fairly sure that the last one is a Mauser 98 Sporter of some sort, compare it to this image at a similar angle and you will see the resemblance of the shape of the bolt. Not sure about the rest, but is the rifle on the right of this image also a Savage 99? --commando552 (talk) 13:02, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
Yup, that looks like a Mauser 98. And nice catch with the other Savage 98. Thanks! --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:07, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

CoD:WW2 again

Here's the trailerfor the new CoD. Let's hope it's not only the European theatre with Americans and Germans, because that would be boring as hell.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:20, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

Looks like they are going to mention the Holocaust. Curious to see how this pans out.--SeanWolf (talk) 14:27, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
Oh man, that article is a disgrace. But this isn't the place for politics...--AgentGumby (talk) 14:50, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

They should add more exotic WW2 guns like K-Pattern,Czech guns,Błyskawizas,Berettas...alongside all the repeating seen classic guns... --Dannyguns (talk) 15:10, 3 May 2017 (EDT)

Creative Commons

So, I was asking a member of another wiki (the Fallout Wiki, Nukapedia) if I could use some of their screenshots, as I'm unable to get my own. Well, he asked me this: "One quick question: I checked you site, and while its run on mediawiki, i could not find any creative commons license like wikia here has. Do younfolks operate under any of the creative commons licenses, or any other lisence for copyright and reuse?" Now, I'm not entirely sure what most of that means, so... how should I respond? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 02:08, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

Seriously, what's the deal with our CC? Please help. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:56, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
You may need to take this directly to Bunni. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:34, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
I don't think screenshots on the Fallout wiki could be covered under a CC license, as they are derivative works of non-CC licensed material. This is the same with our site. We, and they, can still use these screenshots as they fall under the umbrella of fair use though. --commando552 (talk) 15:30, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
So... what should I tell the guy? Should I just tell him that neither of us have a CC license, or something else? If at all possible, formulate an answer to his original question that I can just sort of copy-paste over there, 'cause I don't really understand much of this. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
I don't fully understand this topic either (unless there happen to be any IP or copywrite lawyers here I don't imagine anyone on this does) but what I do know is that in this case Creative Commons licenses are irrelevant as they would not be applicable to screenshots of somebody else's copywrited work. For the sake of argument though, lets say that it is a drawing of a weapon done by a user there who has posted it with a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License (which I think is what that site uses for stuff like graphics). Whether or not this site has a blanket CC policy is irrelevant, as the point of CC licenses is that you do not need to seek permission before using them, and all you need to do to reuse this material is to attribute the source and (in the case of this specific license) publish under the same type of CC license. As they are irrelevant in this case for screenshots, why is this person concerned about CC licenses anyway? --commando552 (talk) 19:14, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
I don't get any of this either; all I'm asking for is for someone to give me an idea of what I should say to him. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

Female users

There are anyone here? --Dannyguns (talk) 12:16, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

Looking for a date, lol?--AgentGumby (talk) 18:14, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
^ lel i waz gunna say dis too do i get a cookie? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 20:33, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
Now exactly why would you ask a question like that Danny? -SeptemberJack (talk) 18:42, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

Well, AgentGumby and Ultimate94Ninja guessed right. Yeah. And girls that love guns are rare, specially here in Europe. And in this site they can even be geeky ( I love geeky/nerdy girls, they are so pretty...). And if you are reading this and you are a GIRL, well just tell me...--Dannyguns (talk) 07:35, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

In the years I've been here, there have been few, if any, female users. Singling them out like this probably doesn't help. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:34, 7 May 2017 (EDT)


Women have better things to do...... MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

The Rurouni Kenshin (2012) live-action movie page missing?

Whatever happened to the page? Did it get deleted, and if so was there a specific reason why? -- SSgt LuLZ 19:54, 7 May 2017 (GMT)

I can't find any evidence of it. Do you know who created it? Did you ever make any edits on it? --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:37, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
I did remember once flipping through the page; it mentioned the various period revolvers used by Kanryu's goons and the Gatling Gun. But that was some time ago when I wasn't a member. -- SSgt LuLZ 21:02, 7 May 2017 (GMT)

Colt "Snake" revolvers "Differences" page

Should we make a page for determining the differences between the Colt Diamondback, the Colt Python, and the Colt Anaconda? -SeptemberJack (talk) 18:50, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

The case of Python vs Anaconda is already covered on Python talk page. Greg-Z (talk) 01:10, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
I don't think so. There are clear distinctions between all three if you observe closely enough - the trigger guard size/shape, overall size of the frame and cylinder, placement of the 'prancing pony' and screw position above the trigger guard, as well as finish in the case of the Anaconda. That said, there aren't many Diamondbacks or Anacondas seen in comparison to Pythons, which themselves aren't featured as heavily in recent years. I think ID pages (which I'm a bit divided about personally) are only warranted if we're talking many versions/variants of very similar models or a series of models that are all quite identical looking in appearance; pages on ARs and 1911s make it there, even SIGs. Three revolvers don't. StanTheMan (talk) 02:21, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

Please Help!

I wanted to make all my gun galleries proper gun galleries but exept for the first two I made a mess. How can I solve? --Dannyguns (talk) 14:46, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

You have /Gallery opening tag instead of proper Gallery. /Gallery is closing tag. Greg-Z (talk) 14:56, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks Dannyguns

Weird question...

This qualifies as firearm?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_laser_pistol --Dannyguns (talk) 13:57, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

Possibly yes, if it would appear on screen. Until then, it's pointless. Greg-Z (talk) 15:56, 19 May 2017 (EDT)
I don't know if it meets the requirement of being a firearm. But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:08, 19 May 2017 (EDT)
I m pretty sure we already crossed the bridge. I seen it, just dont remember where...--Dannyguns (talk) 12:21, 20 May 2017 (EDT)
If it appeared in something then it would be worth mentioning it in the page if for no other reason that people might think it was a real gun. However, I don't think it should get its own page as it is essentially a glorified laser pointer with a peculiar power source. --commando552 (talk) 13:16, 20 May 2017 (EDT)

Please help ID pistol from Andy Sidaris movies

Could somebody help me to identify this pistol? It appears in several Andy Sidaris movies; Picasso Trigger, Hard Ticket to Hawaii and Savage Beach.

Unidpistol-AndySidaris.jpg

This pistol (never seen fired) keeps bugging me ever since I started putting up pages for Andy Sidaris movies, any suggestions would be very much appreciated! Cheers, PeeWee055 (talk) 11:41, 26 May 2017 (EDT) I've been trying to find this pistol with no luck, so I'd thought I'd write down some things I noticed to assist anyone.

  • Rounded Trigger Guard
  • Open-Top slide
  • Rounded trigger (like the Beretta 92S but unlike the Colt M1911A1)
  • Partially cut-away grip/thumb rest
  • Exposed hammer with back similar to the USP
  • No visible safety but a visible slide lock
  • Very high-profile front sight
  • Closer to a full-size pistol
  • Frame and aspects of the slide similar to the Beretta M1934


With all these characteristics, it makes me feel as if this gun is either a custom piece or a relatively obscure "cheap" clone. Good luck! -SeptemberJack (talk) 23:09, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for your analysis, my initial idea was indeed Beretta M1934 but the receiver on this pistol looks way different. My best guess is that it is some kind of toy gun, after all a 'Star Wars Blaster' (pimped-up Sterling SMG) is used as well in the same movie, PeeWee055 (talk) 04:52, 27 May 2017 (EDT)

It's an Edison Giocattoli Sharkmatic.

Here!

-SeptemberJack (talk) 14:38, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

Thanks a lot! I'll add it to the movie pages. Greg-Z (talk) 14:42, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
And more thanks for pointing on Edison Giocattoli cap guns. I think that now we can solve some puzzles in Kommissar X films. Greg-Z (talk) 14:45, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

Billy Campbell

Theres an american tv series you missed starring Billy Campbell and it use to be on the Syfy channel its called Helix and Billy Campbell uses a Glock 17 and an M4A1 assault rifle in it. Could someone please add the sci fi tv series Helix to the imfdb.

Main Page not Working?

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I have no idea what's happening, so if someone could enlighten me? -SeptemberJack (talk) 16:59, 15 June 2017 (EDT)


Never mind, it's working now. Dunno what happened. -SeptemberJack (talk) 17:00, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
I daresay there was a glitch/temporary setback/slight SNAFU with the server. Just my guess. I'm sure bunni had a moderate heart attack and then squared it back away. StanTheMan (talk) 11:54, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
I'm still having this problem when I try to access the main page without logging in. I have to go to a different page in order to access the login. --Ben41 (talk) 22:10, 17 June 2017 (EDT)
It's an error in the DynamicArticleList extension that creates the 'Recently Updated' table. I'll have to trouble shoot this over the next few days as SQL isn't one of the languages I speak. Thanks for posting the stack trace, that was a huge help. --bunni (talk) 00:39, 18 June 2017 (EDT)
I'm having a slightly different problem, in that the "Latest" list is just this jumble of random text:

<DynamicArticleList showeditor=0> title=Recently Updated Articles type=update count=8 </DynamicArticleList> <DynamicArticleList showeditor=0> title=New Articles type=new count=8 </DynamicArticleList> <DynamicArticleList showtimestamp=0> title=Latest Discussions type=discussion count=8 </DynamicArticleList>

There's also just an empty space where the featured article is supposed to go. Does anybody have any ideas? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 11:08, 18 June 2017 (EDT)

I'm getting the featured article, but no recent changes, discussions, or new articles. I get that "Dynamic Article" thing too. weird...--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 12:25, 18 June 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982

Analogically. --Slon95 (talk) 06:55, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
Yup, I'm getting the same error as well. --SpectralNova (talk) 16:50, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
What the hell is going on with the latest lists, I've been going on this site for 3 days straight and keep seeing that error about it. I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 17:14, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
Bunni said he's working on this. Please be patient. Thanks for getting the main page mostly working, though. --Ben41 (talk) 17:21, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
Ah poor Bunni! LOL. I figure that he has to deal with all the crashes and outages. I was just screwed because THIS LAST WEEKEND was the FIRST time in a very long time I had to pull up IMFDB to show to some producers and film editors what guns were used where to prove a point and ....... no IMFDB. Alas, Murphy's Law strikes again. I hope Bunni gets it back up 100% and he has my total support :D best to all MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 21:37, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, Dynamic Article list isn't working for me either.--Mandolin (talk) 09:38, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

I probably sound like a broken record, but has any progress been made? Or have we figured out the cause of the problem yet?--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 02:16, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

Have you tried using the Recent Changes page? It's much more useful. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:57, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK! -SeptemberJack (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

Isn't working for me yet. Also yes, I have been using the recent changes page, I just prefer the latest tab because it's cleaner.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 14:01, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

Well done, everyone

Welcome to imfdb,
the Internet Movie Firearms Database
22,222 articles.

--Ultimate94ninja (talk) 03:18, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

Percussion or Cartridge Conversion?

Need help: these Colt Navy are cap and ball or cartridge version?

Chatos Land-ColtNavy-6.jpg
Chatos Land-ColtNavy-11.jpg
Chatos Land-ColtNavy-13.jpg

They are used in Spanish-filmed Chato's Land so the props are most likely Uberti/Pietta/etc. replicas. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 04:59, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

I'd say cartridge based on your pics. There's no space for the nipples that the percussion caps fit over and there appears to be a loading gate in the 2nd screenshot.--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 08:33, 11 July 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982

Thanks a lot! It's just what I suspected. Greg-Z (talk) 09:44, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

Regarding edit logs...

So, does anybody know what the little number in parentheses (it's either green and positive, or red and negative, and is bold if it's a particularly large number) actually means? I've been confused by this for a while. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:34, 22 July 2017 (EDT) P.S.: Am I asking too many questions? I'm sorry if I'm annoying any of you.

It's the number of characters added or subtracted in each post. So if I just wrote "Great!" without signing my name, it's be plus six characters. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:06, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
Gotcha, thanks M8. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

Correct English title for Kazakh movie

Hello! Excuse me, I have one question: I couldn't find correct Ennglish name for the Kazakh movie Angshy bala. Despute, this movie was presented at Hollywood 2012 Family Film Festival, there is hard to find the Festival English title. I shall continue searches, but not sure, that find something. Kazakh title is "Аңшы бала", according Google Translate, it's means something like "The hunter is a boy", but it's maybe literal translation or even uncorrect translation, due Kazakh-English composition is a rather rare usable. So, what's the best title should be used for this page? Pyramid Silent (talk) 04:31, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

Little Hunter, A Hunter Boy. As for me, Little Hunter is good enough, but it the movie would get an official English title, the page must be renamed accordingly. Greg-Z (talk) 04:44, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
Many thanks for the help! Pyramid Silent (talk) 05:05, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

Somebody Please Add "The Amatuer" (1981) with John Savage

So many rarely seen guns for a movie from 1981 including Vz58 riles, Cz61 Skorpion SMGs, HK G3s, HK 33s, FALs, M1 Garands and carbines.

An excellent cold war action thriller as well.

First, sign your posts. Second, if you want a page made, you should really do it yourself.--Mandolin (talk) 16:45, 14 August 2017 (EDT)

Help to ID the Submachine Gun

Hello! Excuse me, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this submachine gun from the Wheels of Fire? Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:38, 16 August 2017 (EDT)

Note, that the pistol grip and the magazine well very close to each other.
Wheels of Fire SMG 2 3.jpg
The gun hase som reeses of PPS-43, but still differ.
Wheels of Fire SMG 2 7.jpg
Wheels of Fire SMG 2 8.jpg
Wheels of Fire SMG 2 9.jpg
Wheels of Fire SMG 2 10.jpg

Probably, the same machine gun can be seen at the night.

Wheels of Fire SMG 2 4.jpg
Receiver is seen. It's possibly the same machine gun due the curved magazine.
Magazine is partly seen.
Is it me or doesn't that mag look like a rifle-size ('bout 5.56) cartridge mag? And there's no way a SMG can have that smooth and flat of a side... maybe a mocked up M16 or Armscor M16 22/M-1600 -SeptemberJack (talk) 11:55, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
I rewatch this moment and saw, that this gun has a moved hammershape part, which moves during the firing. Cycle depicted by numerous from 1 to 4. Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
A Colt Mars PDW fitted with a shell? Black Irish Paddy (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2017 (EDT)

A TEC-22? --Dannyguns (talk) 13:05, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Noy, it's it's much different from TEC-22. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:35, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Picture upload not working?

The File Upload does not work atm, any ideas why? I always get this message:

Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/00".

I was uploading a few screenshots and suddenly this message appeared, I uploaded 3 screenshots and the fourth didn't work anymore, any ideas? --Hchris (talk) 08:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Rename the file (add a single additional character, for example) and upload again. Usually it helps. Greg-Z (talk) 08:48, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
OK this worked, why I dunno, but it worked, thanks for the info! --Hchris (talk) 10:49, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
It's a bug that's been around for awhile. It's annoying, but the workaround is easy enough. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:06, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

possible actor misID

Hello! Excuse me, I havesome question: this character (from the movie Tourist, The) credited as Lebyadkin, which stared by Vladimir Orlov.

TheTourist-1.jpg

But, according this, this, this and this sources, this character is Shigalyov which stared by Mark Zak (who also play in Don't Look for Me (Such mich nicht))

Mark ZAk in Don't Look for Me for comprassion.

I don't watch The Tourist, but, probably, this actor is misID? Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:58, 2 September 2017 (EDT)

It happens. I've never seen The Tourist either, so I can't be sure. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:30, 2 September 2017 (EDT)

Correct English title for Azerbaijani movie

Hello! Excuse me, I have some question: I hadn't found English title for thet movie Arxada qalmis gelecek (Arxada qalmış gələcək). Google translate from Azerbaijani means something like "It's coming back" or "It will be left behind". But, I don't know is this literal title had make that much sense. This movie was licensed in Russia under the title "Взлётная полоса" (Airstrip), but, it's not directional title and it's has absolutely different meaning. So, how do you think, what's the optimal English title, which should be used to the page rename? Pyramid Silent (talk) 07:41, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

PDW development In a 1950's original story

Hi guys im wondering if i could talk about this sort of thing on here. I need folks with knowledge on firearms and history to chat to about my ideas... if this is okay?

Not really sure what you mean, if you're asking for advice on writing fiction the forum would probably be better, but hey, as for the question:
Insofar as a PDW is a thing that exists (which if it ever was it no longer is, it's just a marketing term), it's a compact submachine gun with a large magazine, firing armour piercing rounds. The intended use of the PDW concept, in line with the NATO OPDW requirement, was to provide a weapon for vehicle crews and other support troops: more generally, people who don't certify often with their weapons, may need to fire them in a confined space, and may be attacked at close range, that was more effective than a handgun, handier than a rifle and had more punch than a subgun. The concept was derived from the Soviet AKS-74U.
Your first problem in 1950 is that you don't need the armour piercing ability. Kevlar wasn't invented until 1965 and ceramic plate carriers weren't issued until 1967, and the vests issued before that time were flak jackets only really suited for stopping shrapnel and could be penetrated by all but the puniest pistol cartridges, or had steel plates and were too heavy to be used by frontline troops. So unless you have some strange material that's really good for making infantry armour, you're going to need to be screwing around with ceramics and aramids a lot earlier than IRL.
Second you really need to have climbed on board the intermediate cartridge train back in WW1 to get your AKS-74U equivalent in the 50s, which would require a totally different war to warrant that (urban combat rather than trench warfare). This means you'll have to delay the invention of the machine gun, not invent barbed wire, or invent the tank earlier for some other reason than crossing No Man's Land.
Third to get something like the MP7 or P90 that weighs something sensible, you're going to need to be way ahead on plastics and have a military that doesn't care about making guns that look like toys rather than being made of steel and wood as is proper for soldiering and whatnot. Evil Tim (talk) 02:18, 1 October 2017 (EDT)


Ah okay, my story actually involves vampires. A group of hunters in secret under the crown are the ones designing this PDW. Since its set in the mid to late 1950's Britain; what they have is the EM-2 rifle to work with as well as many captured weapons from different countries including the FG42. The original inspiration for the PDW was actually from the Bushmaster Armpistol. I'm aware the AR-10 was still in development around this time so its kind of out of the question.

They found weapons like the Farquhar Hill Rifle were to slow at staying on target as well as being utterly useless at close range, and weapons like the Sten were not powerful enough.

Ive been doing a few plans and hope a few of them are plausible as working prototypes. I know its a story but I love attention to detail. I'd love to hear some opinions on this.

Oh ive tried to get on the forum but ive had troubles..

Firstly, if you want to join the forum you have to post here. As to your question, with the statement "weapons like the Sten were not powerful enough" the problem is that PDWs in the sense that they would be though of today (SMGs firing bottlenecked armour piercing small calibre rounds) are no more "powerful" than pistol rounds. They are designed to do only one thing, and that is to penetrate armour. If the problem with your vampires is that they have hard to pierce skin than this sort of round might be useful, but otherwise a regular pistol round has more wounding potential than something like 5.7x28mm or 4.6x30mm against "soft" targets. The closest you would get to a modern "PDW" in the 1950s would be an SMG chambered in 7.62x25mm Tokarev, like a PPS-43. If you just want essentially a compact assault rifle, the AKs-47 would have been around at the time, and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they could custom chop the barrel down to get a rifle roughly equivalent to the the AKMSU. You could also go for a chopped down STG-44 (they didn't have a folding stock though, but it might be feasible to modify them to have one as at this point you would not have the problems with the steel that lead to the Germans having to have such a long recoil spring). As for Western guns, there were not really any intermediate calibre guns being made at this point, closest would be the EM-2 which you could chop the barrel down a bit on to make more compact. You also had the M2 carbine which you could put a folding stock on and shorten the barrel. Lastly, after posts on discussion pages remember to sign your posts by either typing ~~~~ , or by hitting the signature button at the top of the edit window. --commando552 (talk) 07:05, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
I wouldn't say the Bushmaster Arm really had much to do with the PDW concept: while it was rather like the requirements NATO put together, the Arm came from an earlier project by the Air Force called the Individual Multi-Purpose weapon, aiming to produce an aircrew survival weapon: it was tested, but found to be impractical. You can trace the concept back even further than that, certainly to the M1 Carbine and arguably right to the select-fire C96s, which were made according to approximately the same logic (hell, if you really want to push it you could argue the blunderbuss was the first such weapon as the ancestor of the coach gun). The real kickers for the PDW concept were:
  • The Soviets, in the AKS-74U, had created a small, effective compact weapon for vehicle crews, making them much more able to defend themselves than their NATO companions. This was far more important to the PDW concept than the unsuccessful Arm, because the AKS-74U was proof the idea worked.
  • NATO felt that logistical disruption would be a big part of future combat, and poorly-trained rear-echelon troops might find themselves ambushed at close range by soldiers wearing modern body armour. Arming them with a compact, easy to use "lead hose" kind of weapon which could defeat armour and wouldn't get in the way the rest of the time was seen as better than having them plink away at their opponents with sidearms.
  • Further, this was 1989, and the Soviet Union was in its death throes. Soviet military-grade body armour was starting to turn up on the black market, and so any potential enemy might be equipped with it. One or the requirements was for the PDW round to be able to defeat the NATO CRISAT vest at ranges of up to 200 metres.
  • Subguns, for a long time the red-headed stepchild of military weapons (though of as gangster guns or those crappy cheap things you make because there's a war on, to the point the M3 Grease Gun was still lurking around because nobody could be bothered to replace it), had jumped back to the fore because the British SAS had operated the hell out of a bunch of terrorists with MP5s during the Iranian Embassy Siege in 1980.
  • The 9x19mm Para round was thought of as obsolete, and NATO wanted a "modern" standard pistol round. OPDW also required a pistol to be developed in the new calibre (hence the Heckler & Koch UCP and the Five-seveN).
In the end the death of the PDW was the very logistical disruption it was supposed to deal with: the adoption of the M4 carbine and similar small assault rifles by other NATO militaries already made the need for a PDW questionable, and during the War On Terror there were a lot of attacks against supply trucks, but rather than purchase an expensive new weapon, NATO militaries just had drivers certify with their carbines more often, and that was that, no need for a lead hose. Well, that and Germany refusing to accept that the Belgian 5.7mm round had beaten their 4.6mm and killing the whole program to replace the 9x19mm. Evil Tim (talk) 08:35, 1 October 2017 (EDT)


Ah okay thanks for this, interesting points on just how potent pistol cartrides can be. I think the main reason I went with the armpistol was how light and easily maneuvurable it appears to be, Most vampires can move really fast making weapons like the shotgun and short SMG's more useful than full size heavy Assault Rifles. In the AR-10's case though it appears really light which is a bit of an issue since there's barely any recoil dampening as a result. So I wonder what a .280 short bullpup would be like. Karinexmachina (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2017 (EDT)

Need help with ID the antique revolver in the movie

Hello! Excuse me, I have some request: may somebody help me with ID the revolver in the movie Her Sister's Rival (Zhizn za zhizn). This is 1916 Russian Empire movie (maybe, it's help with ID). Thanks! Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:41, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

The grip is seen.
Zhizn za zhizn 2.jpg
Barrel and front sight is seen.
Zhizn za zhizn 4.jpg
Zhizn za zhizn 5.jpg
Zhizn za zhizn 6.jpg
Barrel leight is seen.
The revolver is lying on the suitcase. The cylinder and numbers of chambers is seen.
Hammer shape is seen.
The grip is seen.
The revolver lying near the suitcase. Trigger guard is seen.
Looks like Smith & Wesson, maybe Smith & Wesson Model 2 Double Action or something like it. Greg-Z (talk) 11:06, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
Many thanks for the help! How do you think, may I create this page or should I shall await opinions a few other user? Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:07, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
I'm not 100% sure so let's wait until more opinions would appear. Greg-Z (talk) 13:23, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
Looks like a top break S&W or a copy, Spanish or Belgian most likely, with a short .38 or .32 Long cylinder. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

Question about eligibility of some gun pages

Hello! Excuse me, I have some question: as I can see, whe have many pages abot Grenades, Mortars and Grenade Launchers. So, I ask, is the eligibly exist the pages for Flintlock Grenade Launcher, that appers in at least, three, movies; Fuse Grenade, that appears at least at, the, five, different medias (three of it is a live action). Also is the eligible page for the Matchlock hand mortar (or launcher), that appers at least in one movie (of cource if the gun image will be upload)? Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

Flintlock Grenade Launcher.
Fuse Grenade.
Fuse grenade no, it's a term for a type of weapon, not a specific weapon (it's the same reason we don't have pages for generic dynamite, C4, molotovs, etc). "Flintlock grenade launcher" would correctly be called "hand mortar" and could be included as a subsection under the flintlock pistol category. Evil Tim (talk) 15:49, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

Uploading pics

Hi, I was uploading some pics for my sandbox, but I see a alert that said : cannot not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-pubblic/0/0a. Why? How can I solve? It means that the server limit is reached?--Dannyguns (talk) 09:28, 18 October 2017 (EDT)

I cannot say what it the reason of this error but the remedy is simple: rename the file you want to upload. Adding a single letter or number would be enough. Greg-Z (talk) 09:36, 18 October 2017 (EDT)

Discord

Hey everypeoples. If anyone is interested, I have Discord server with a few different channels for different topics; one of those being guns. It's a little redundant since we have the forum, but stop by if you like.https://discord.gg/5sZmyu. --H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 14:45, 18 October 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982

A strange AR-15 stock

I came across a strange looking stock for AR-15 (Colt Model 653, I suppose) in 1994 movie Direct Hit:

AR-15 Carbine with strange stock.

It looks different from any that can be found in out AR-15 Guide. Is it some rare model or just a custom work? Greg-Z (talk) 03:50, 19 October 2017 (EDT)

Pretty sure that it isn't a real Colt stock, to me it looks like an overly chunky mock up of the aluminium 2nd gen collapsible stock. Don't know why it would be oversized though, I wonder if it is soemthing like this is a gas firing gun and there is a little tank in the stock or something. --commando552 (talk) 07:05, 19 October 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! In the scene all gunners hold their M16 so that the muzzles are off screen, so there is no way to say if there are muzzle flashes. The spent brass isn't seen, so maybe these guns doesn't fire. So hardly there was a need for using a propane powered replica. But maybe it was made for some other film and reused in Direct Hit. The film armorer Micha Hamilton also worked for several other movies that we have here: Zero Tolerance, Cyber Tracker, and one more movie, Guardian Angel is in my to-do list. But no M16s appear in these movies so there is no chance to compare them. Greg-Z (talk) 15:05, 19 October 2017 (EDT)



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