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Happy New Year, everybody! Here's to another great year of guns, movies, and more. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2018 (EST) P.S.: This time, I'm first.

Happy Easter <3 Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

Pulling a grenade pin with your teeth

Many pages point out how pulling a grenade pin with your teeth in real life would cause dental damage. So, why is it easier to do in movies? Prop grenade uses different material?--Thomas (talk) 13:55, 9 January 2018 (EST)

It's a split / cotter pin, you can bend the split ends back together to make it easier to pull, with the qualifier that it makes it easier to pull when you don't want to, too. Obviously with an explosive device that you're carrying, you don't generally want to be able to pull the pin out easily (there's a scene in The Thin Red Line based on this, in fact). Evil Tim (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2018 (EST)
Maybe, I'm wrong, but, according Russian wikipedia, hand grenade's fuze contain two safeties (known in Russian as Usiki), which completely blocked any moving the of pin. After this safeties were removed, the pin may be much more easily removed (which result to grenade activating and explosion after a few seconds). But, I don't know, is this a correct information or not. Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:18, 9 January 2018 (EST)
I'm using Google Translate, but that seems to be talking about what I'm talking about. Here, I've got a grenade cutaway with a working pin, I'll show you.
Grenade pin demo.jpg
Left is the pin split open like it would be on a live grenade, right is how it flattens out after being pulled (you have to have flatten it slightly more to put it back in, even). On the right it's only held in place by the upward pressure of the spoon, and takes almost no force to pull out, the left I actually bent the pull ring a little pulling it out. Evil Tim (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2018 (EST)
The Russian wiki is just talking about the idea that you can straighten the split ring to make it easier to pull out. However there are some grenade that actually have multiple safeties or clips. For example, the M61 was an M26 that had an extra safety clip that kept the spoon in place even if you pulled the pin out. There are also other grenade where the pin itself is more complicated, like the L109 hand grenade where the ring of the pin is folded out of the way and clipped in place so the pin cant physically move out, or the L83 smoke grenade where the pin is kind of like a safety pin with a second leg that hooks behind the main pin which must be unhooked before ring can be pulled. --commando552 (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2018 (EST)
Yeah, the M84 flashbang has a second pin, too. But still, let's stay simple here, the answer in live-action film is that the pin's been straightened out. Evil Tim (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2018 (EST)

Some assistance to check out the page for any unidentified weapons.

Happy New Year folks. I'm working on this, but I got some missing info on some of the small arms used. Need another pair of eyes to check. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 08:52, 10 January 2018 (EST)


It says forum registration has been disabled and I can't register. Am I missing a step to join or was there too much spam? --H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 18:43, 18 January 2018 (EST)H3nry8adger1982

Please see here. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:05, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Doing a gun article on the ballistic knife pistol

Is it fine to do so? At least shows here have used it, but it's from anime. Ominae (talk) 01:30, 27 January 2018 (EST)

If you mean something like the Soviet NRS-2 Scout Firing Knife that fires actual bullets then sure, for just generic spring knives no because they aren't firearms. Evil Tim (talk) 02:01, 27 January 2018 (EST)
Gotcha. The ones in the show don't have any clues on the manufacturer, but they're based on actual BKPs. So I'll just give a generic title except for the NRS-2.Ominae (talk) 02:52, 27 January 2018 (EST)


Out of curiosity, the 6P62 Russian experimental anti-material rifle was intended as a portable machine gun, but with that 12.7x108mm round (albeit with a blatant 14-round magazine capacity), what would it classify exactly as? A GPMG or a unique form of man-portable heavy MG? (lol) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:59, 27 January 2018 (EST)

Its official classification is "Ruchnoy krupnokaliberny pulemyot" - literally "handheld large caliber machine gun", or (an oxymoron!) "light heavy machine gun". Greg-Z (talk) 06:21, 27 January 2018 (EST)
Absurd. That's what you call it. Or maybe just stupid. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:05, 27 January 2018 (EST)
They could have likely meant "handheld heavy machine gun". Now, GPMGs mostly fire full-sized rifle rounds in addition to being man-portable, but the 6P62's round is bigger. So... final verdict: portable HMG? (one of the very few real ones) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Tracking new articles made in contribution page

Not sure about this, but does a registered user like mua have a way of keeping track of finding how many pages I made are new (The one with the N symbol)? Ominae (talk) 04:34, 28 January 2018 (EST)

If you add your new articles in your watchlist, then "View and edit watchlist" in "My watchlist" section would be useful. If not... then I can suggest only manual listing in "My contrubution", choosing Namespace: Main (this option would exclude the list of uploaded files). Sorry, no more ideas. Greg-Z (talk) 06:40, 28 January 2018 (EST)

P226 full size?

Saw this when I was taking snapshot of Counterpart. Do need a second look here. Ominae (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

That is definitely a full size P226 given both the longer slide and hooked trigger guard. StanTheMan (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

Pistol-Caliber Carbines

So, yeah. These things are kind of a mess when it comes to classification. You can't really put them under pistols, because they rather obviously aren't, but you can't put them under submachine guns either, because they aren't full-auto, and they really can't be grouped with rifles either, because those generally fire rifle rounds, not handgun rounds. So, is there any really good way to deal with these? So far, the best answer I've heard is to just put them with the SMGs and then point out that they aren't full-auto, but if there are any other ideas out there that could work, I'm open to those too. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2018 (EDT)

They're Carbines put them in the Carbines section, you can find it on the Guns category. Also you should sign your posts. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 18:20, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, fixed. For the record, I probably should've clarified what I actually meant by this. What I was referring to was where to put these in an article, not what category under "Guns" they should go in. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
I got you brother, group them under Rifles due to their being a two handed shoulder arm firing single projectiles rather than shot. It's the natural distinction, all these more involved ones only came out due to self contained cartridges radically differing how firearms can be made. Winchester Rifles and Carbines get listed under rifles despite firing what are pretty much pistol cartridges. SMGs are always full automatic, if it's got a stock and is semi auto it goes into Rifles with a note in it's description, if has no stock and a short barrel it's a pistol. I can see where it can be confusing, just remember that rifles are two handed shoulder arms, the cartridge it fires doesn't define it. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 18:41, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
Gotcha, thanks for the help. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:35, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
We more recently have been naming 'Rifles' sections 'Rifles / Carbines' for this very reason, or so I feel anyway. Anyway BIP is correct in essentials - We've had the M1 Carbine in 'Rifles' sections prior to making this kind of running change, yet it too fires a cartridge that is 'not a rifle round' as well. It still follows them more closely than the other classifications, which have creteria that specifically excludes them - pistols have a particular aesthetic, as do SMGs which also have select (usually full auto) fire. StanTheMan (talk) 22:07, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
I think it's better to say that Pistol-Caliber Carbines (PCCs) aren't really rifles because they don't fire rifle-caliber cartridges. PCCs are pistol-caliber long guns, but not SMGs because they don't have burst-fire and/or full auto fire abilities. Personally I would just put them in a "Carbines" section of a page if it had room. --Mazryonh (talk) 15:40, 27 March 2018 (EDT)
At the end of the day I agree but that said for the sake of simplicity, again, I think we use 'Rifles / Carbines' on media pages to make it so inclusive. I would say separating the categories further isn't absolutely necessary. Eh, as always, just my take, of course. StanTheMan (talk) 22:08, 28 March 2018 (EDT)
I think we should hammer this out somewhere else. Is there an admin mailing list I can join or something to talk to them about it? A Rifles/Carbines section works for me even though something like the M1 or M2 Carbines were never rifles in the first place. Technically, "carbines" is too broad a term, because by itself it doesn't specify caliber or firing modes, just a barrel length. --Mazryonh (talk) 23:44, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
No, here is fine and rifles / carbines is fine, we don't need to invent new terminology for this. The fact that "carbine" doesn't specify calibre or firing mode is why we can use it. Besides, a select-fire pistol-carbine is called a submachine gun. Evil Tim (talk) 01:55, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

Russian guns in U.S.

Well, I knew that because of treaties (Clinton-Yeltsin treat that proibits weapons exchange between U.S. and Russia, U.N. sanctions for Ukraine crisis, the history of the MP-412 REX and so on...) But I discovered that some guns, like the Baikal MP-133 or the Saiga-12K which is even used by some governative agencies. I m not a U.S. citizen so how it works? --Dannyguns (talk) 07:37, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

The law enforcement purchases may have come prior to the sanctions. And there are no prohibitions against buying US made Kalashnikovs from US companies. --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:56, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
Thanks--Dannyguns (talk) 12:20, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

A question about self-translated title

Soviet mini series Vstrecha u vysokikh snegov lacks official English title, and I have a question about my home-made translation of the original title. Literally it would be Meeting at High Snows, but I doubt how it will be correct: Meeting, A Meeting or The Meeting. Please help, thanks in advance. Greg-Z (talk) 15:29, 4 April 2018 (EDT)

FWIW, Google Translate has it as Meeting at high snows. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:17, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
We wouldn't happen to have anyone here who is fluent in both Russian and English, would we? Google Translate can be hilariously inept at times. As for whether or not the title of that film needs an (in)definite article or an article at all, I have no idea. Some languages even lack one or more of those. --Mazryonh (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
I use google translator to check my translations, but prefer to do such work myself. And in such difficult case I can hardly rely on it. Greg-Z (talk) 13:21, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
It probably requires some context as to what the meeting being referred to is: is it one specific meeting among many ("A meeting"), a single event ("the meeting") or something people want to do ("meeting"). Evil Tim (talk) 02:02, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
The context is following: the main character is a man from a Central Asian village at the foot of the mountains (mentioned in the title as "High Snows") who returns to his native land after twenty years of prison, escape, banditry, participation in civil war in White and Red armies. At home he fights against enemies of past and new enemies, and at last it appears that the current leader of his enemies is his own son, unknown to this man. At last they tragically meet on battlefield. I guess that "The meeting" would fit better, right? Thanks! Greg-Z (talk) 13:21, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
If the meeting referred to by the title of the film is the climax of the film's story, then I agree that the title should probably read "The Meeting at High Snows." --Mazryonh (talk) 00:05, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
Thanks a lot! Greg-Z (talk) 02:51, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

Old deleted images

Question. Have these images been meant to be deleted and disposed of? They're here and here? Ominae (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

I removed this files from delete list. Thanks for pointing this out. Greg-Z (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2018 (EDT)
Okay. Thought that they're suppose to be gone. Although I need to get rid of this since I need to do more cropping. Ominae (talk) 21:13, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

Image check

Need someone to double check on a weapon id here, particularly the sniper rifle. Ominae (talk) 10:51, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

Looks like a Savage Arms Model 10 BA Stealth --commando552 (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
Thanks. Wondered why the mag looks familiar. Ominae (talk) 06:57, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Common firing sound

Any suggestion on what you could call that classic firing sound that we've been commonly hearing in some movies and video games from the past decade? (the sound used here for the AK). At this point, it has become as cliché as the Wilhelm scream. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:22, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

Unknown M1911 Variant

So, in case you somehow haven't noticed, I've been doing a lot of work on the H3VR page lately. Well, in a devlog a few weeks ago, an M1911 variant was shown off, referred to as the "1911 Operator" model. Does anybody know what this might be?

Examining the left side of the pistol...
...and the right.
Aiming the Operator. As with the earlier Tactical model (the Kimber Warrior), the Operator has an integrated red-dot sight, albeit a different, higher-profile model than the earlier pistol.
Firing a round. As with all the other M1911 variants, it's chambered in .45 ACP.
Replacing the now-empty magazine with a fresh one.
Finishing off the reload with a quick tug of the slide. Note that the slide is further back here than it was in the previous shot; H3 does, in fact, show that a weapon's bolt or slide can be pulled back past its lock point.

Any thoughts? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:53, 31 March 2018 (EDT) P.S.: Sorry for asking a bunch of questions lately.

Patent question

If a gun got a markings with PAT: XXXX with a 4-digit number written over, is the year in which was patented? And how can I tell the date of manufacture/patent from the ID number? (obviously for products not made by Steyr.)--Dannyguns (talk) 09:06, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom

Hey all, I'm new to the site so bear with me if something doesn't look right. I was curious about the Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom page. I believe the user "1morey" made the page. Apparently the shotgun shown in one of the trailers is a Remington 870. I cannot tell from the angle of the still provided. I was wondering how "1morey" was able to distinguish this as an 870? The forend of the shotgun looks very odd to me. Just wondering what makes it stand out as an 870. I might not have a good eye for the details. Thank you.

This should go on the talk page for Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. But as to your question, I'm not sure how he could make such as ID. I'm setting it to unknown. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:44, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

Help to ID the rifle in the movie

Hello! Excuse me, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this rifle in the movie. This is Russian 2007 movie, the story tooked place in 19th centery Yakutia vilage. Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:57, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

The rifle is clearly percussion.
The muzzle is seen. Note, that's rusty, which means the old age of this gun.
The sling attachin position is seen.
The percussion lock is seen again.
The hammer shape is seen in the darkness.
The hammer shape is seen clearly, althought through the fishnet.
The trigger guard can be seen.
Note, that this rifle is muzzleloaded.
The buttstock can be seen. Note, that the sling attached a few inches under the guard.
The trigger guard is seen again.

Possible new gun subcategories: caseless firearms and their related technologies

We have some weapons on this wiki that use caseless ammunition (G11, LSAT, etc.) or somewhat-caseless ammunition (GP-25 and related grenade launchers, Volcanic Repeater, Gyrojet, etc.). Are there enough examples on this wiki to create a Caseless category and a "somewhat-caseless" category? I actually have a name in the works for the latter if it gets approved, as well as a definition for a glossary if that proves necessary. This is the first time I've done this here and I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, or if the forums or an admin mailing list are more appropriate for proposals like these. --Mazryonh (talk) 22:49, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

I'm not sure what the point of the new category would be. Would users actually come here and search for weapons which use caseless or somewhat-caseless(?) ammo? I don't have any issues updating the glossary, but categories require maintenance, and it's a lot of busy-work. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:51, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

The late firearms technology writer David Schatz called GP-25 ammunition and related developments (including the Volcanic Repeater's, citation available on request) "semi-caseless" ammunition, but that's a rather vague term. Here's my argument: rounds of ammunition like GP-25 grenades or the Volcanic Repeater's should be called "holomobile," like "automobile," but with "holo-" for "whole." "Holomobile" is a more precise term than "semi-caseless," because both a G-11 round and a GP-25 round leave no casing behind in the original weapon once fired, but a GP-25 round's casing hasn't actually been replaced with a block of propellant. Instead, the GP-25 round's casing just left the weapon to join the rest of the fired round on its way to the target, so the entire round moves as a whole towards the target once fired, hence "holomobile", unlike conventional cased ammunition where the case stays in the weapon and gets extracted to load the next round.

Under this paradigm, anything that works like the GP-25 launcher's ammunition, with the exception of things like mortar and rocket/missile launchers which have always inherently worked on this principle, might fall under the acronym "Holomobile Ammunition-Using WeaPON" (or HAUPON, pronounced "Hop-On"), or just "Holomobile" if we denote caseless firearms under the hypothetical "Caseless" subcategory (which should include both fictional and real caseless firearms like the Aliens Pulse Rifle and the H&K G11 rifle.

I like the categories on this site because you can use them to see how a specific firearm is related to others in the wiki. Sure, it's busy-work, but so is any wiki to stay updated. --Mazryonh (talk) 00:47, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

I don't see how this would help people identify firearms. Also no, we're not going to feature firearm terminology you invented. Also why would you classify Gyrojets as caseless rounds? We already have a term for what they are, they're rockets. Evil Tim (talk) 02:49, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
This wiki has always been something of a collection of niche interests (look at how many detailed entries we have for guns that have only one media entry, like the Ithaca Auto & Burglar shotgun). I was thinking that adding a Caseless and a Semi-Caseless category allows users to find out what other film- and motion-media-featured guns of those kinds have appeared in various media titles, how to differentiate those guns from others, and how they work (when it is relevant to the media they appear in). Classifying the G11 as caseless is significant because it actually had working prototypes, and the Aliens Pulse Rifle can also go in that subcategory.
As for neologisms, I'm only resorting to them because the word for this concept hasn't been officially designated or become commonly used. But new firearms technology comes into play all the time, so why should the marketing execs who come up with terms like RIP (Radically Invasive Projectile), EXACTO, or "Counter-Defilade Target Engagement System" get to have all the fun? Informal terms like "Chicom" or "ChiCom" are also used on this wiki too. "Holomobile" is more in the vein of APCR or APFSDS in that it's intended to provide a short, apt, and accurate description of how the ammunition operates. Yes, I made up the term "holomobile," but only because an apt term hasn't been officially designated yet on this wiki. Gyrojets are a interesting case because no other weapon system I know of fires out inert (i.e., no warhead of any sort) rocket-propelled projectiles not intended only for training, and that can be easily mistaken for being caseless.
The only relevant citation I can find right now is also from Jim Schatz, where he attempts to differentiate caseless ammunition ("has a fully-combustible propellant body") from conventional cased ammunition and "semi-caseless ammunition" on pages 5 and 6 of this DTIC presentation file, and struggles due to the lack of a designated or commonly-used term to denote ammunition like VOG-25 grenades and "Rocket Ball" ammunition.
Besides, "what business are we in?" aside from selling ad views to maintain the servers without a constant stream of notations? We're in the business of informing our audience, clarifying confusion about how relevant firearms work and why that matters, and providing conclusive evidence about what firearms appeared in which media titles. Clearing up the ways that firearm ammunition is cased (or otherwise) also works towards that end. Funny how the GP-series grenade launcher page claims its ammunition is "caseless," when in fact it functions more like the Volcanic Repeater, and the latter page struggles to define it as a "borderline case" because of the lack of an apt and descriptive term which "holomobile" could fill. --Mazryonh (talk) 16:00, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
First off, trying to use one fictional film weapon to help your case for adding a category sounds a lot like grasping at straws. Secondly if we use your terminology in one way or other on a page that you don't prefer, that opens us up to all kinds of potential problems - problems the site doesn't need to waste time and energy on. I know you'll say you don't care, but even then better to avoid any potential disputes of that sort with members entirely I'd say. Thirdly, we mainly don't use marketing terms, we use generally accepted classifications and definitions that are used throughout the official and technical realm of firearms literature elsewhere. Hence why acronyms like APFSDS are acceptable. Your term has no usage except to classify a type of firearm (of which there are very few examples in the first place) to an inth degree, something that I very much doubt any considerable number of people are actually looking for at any given time, let alone looking for it here. Moving on, fourth, 'Gyrojets' are still technically rockets - that they may be thought of as something else sounds more an issue we should correct people on, not make up an additional extraneous term to further confuse and obfuscate the matter. Fifth and finally, you have obfuscated and confused what we do here in my book. We're here primarily to identify firearms used in media. That is - or at least should be - the paramount focus of the site. I honestly think putting a lot of energy to anything not directly related to that is honestly a waste. Noting how a movie gun operates versus a real example fits that bill. Adding super-specific extraneous classifications of guns is not. We're not supposed to be a firearms encyclopedia - which as long as we're linking to other places for reference, is stated right in the RSP. Although that note pertains specifically to images, I think that is a principle to be applied more generally throughout the site. When it comes to all these super specific categories and classifications, massive paragraphs regarding a weapon's ultra-detailed history and operation, and so forth, there's other - frankly more suitable - places for that, in print and on the internet. Bottom line we are an information archive yes, but one with a central purpose that honestly I've been seeing much of the site spend a lot of time and energy deviating from over the years, this being yet again a prime example. StanTheMan (talk) 19:38, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
Holomobile sounds like something Jem would drive around in. If you can popularise the term we'll start using it, but we're not going to be the patient zero for it. Evil Tim (talk) 00:55, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Uploading a new version of a pre-existing image

How does this work? Every time I try it, the image thumbnail remains the same and I can't wrap my head around how this is supposed to work, I've seen others do it successfully though.--AgentGumby (talk) 19:32, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Ok, this is because we have Cloudflare between IMFDB's server and users, so while it updates the image on the actual server, it doesn't update the one stored in Cloudflare's cache for a while, and that's what people see. You can force an update to the thumbnail by changing the size of the displayed image (that's why you get those edits that change image size by 1 pixel, if you've ever noticed that) but the image itself you just have to wait for. So just change it from 600px to 601px and it should update on the page. Evil Tim (talk) 19:46, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
Bueno, thanks--AgentGumby (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

1 extra pixel for image sizes

Very often I would see edits like this that add 1 pixel to the size of an image on a page. It happens semi-often on this site but I have never seen this anywhere else. What are they for? --Wuzh (talk) 10:38, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Whenever someone uploads a new version of an existing image, it takes a while for it to actually change on its own. Adjusting the file size essentially forces the site to recognize that the image has been updated, but adjusting it by one pixel prevents it from actually being noticeable. In cases such as this one, it was more important than most, because the new version of the image had a different aspect ratio than the original, so leaving the images as-is left them looking "squashed".


The guy who just made the edit you linked to as an example, AKA Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:45, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Oh, interesting trick. I just wait it out. --Wuzh (talk) 10:51, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
Correct, it refreshes the thumbnail. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:55, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Supernatural Seasons 8-14

Is it just me or people just lost interest in updating the seasons 7-12 or even creating seasons 13 & 14? If people are about to ask me "why don't you do it yourself?" well one, I don't know where to download and two, I don't have a computer and I use my phone to do all of this stuff and it lags real bad like right now as I'm trying to type. I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 23:33, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

Speaking for at least myself, sometimes other commitments get in the way. Jobs, spouses, kids, things come up. If someone gets to it, they'll get to it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:49, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
I did the first 7 seasons but whilst I was doing that others started on the latter seasons so I put it on hold, especially as I only have it on DVD rather than the HD source the latter seasons were started in. However, nobody ever finished the latter ones so I intend to do them at some point (I only currently have up to season 12 though and it will only be DVD quality), but seeing as how I haven't actually watched these latter seasons yet I essentially need to fully watch 5 seasons (only taking me up to season 12) so that is about 80 hours of TV without even taking into account the time needed to actually get the screenshots and make the pages, so it will probably take me a while, so if anyone else wants to do it, feel free. --commando552 (talk) 08:24, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

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