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2018

Happy New Year, everybody! Here's to another great year of guns, movies, and more. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2018 (EST) P.S.: This time, I'm first.

Happy Easter <3 Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

Pulling a grenade pin with your teeth

Many pages point out how pulling a grenade pin with your teeth in real life would cause dental damage. So, why is it easier to do in movies? Prop grenade uses different material?--Thomas (talk) 13:55, 9 January 2018 (EST)

It's a split / cotter pin, you can bend the split ends back together to make it easier to pull, with the qualifier that it makes it easier to pull when you don't want to, too. Obviously with an explosive device that you're carrying, you don't generally want to be able to pull the pin out easily (there's a scene in The Thin Red Line based on this, in fact). Evil Tim (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2018 (EST)
Maybe, I'm wrong, but, according Russian wikipedia, hand grenade's fuze contain two safeties (known in Russian as Usiki), which completely blocked any moving the of pin. After this safeties were removed, the pin may be much more easily removed (which result to grenade activating and explosion after a few seconds). But, I don't know, is this a correct information or not. Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:18, 9 January 2018 (EST)
I'm using Google Translate, but that seems to be talking about what I'm talking about. Here, I've got a grenade cutaway with a working pin, I'll show you.
Grenade pin demo.jpg
Left is the pin split open like it would be on a live grenade, right is how it flattens out after being pulled (you have to have flatten it slightly more to put it back in, even). On the right it's only held in place by the upward pressure of the spoon, and takes almost no force to pull out, the left I actually bent the pull ring a little pulling it out. Evil Tim (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2018 (EST)
The Russian wiki is just talking about the idea that you can straighten the split ring to make it easier to pull out. However there are some grenade that actually have multiple safeties or clips. For example, the M61 was an M26 that had an extra safety clip that kept the spoon in place even if you pulled the pin out. There are also other grenade where the pin itself is more complicated, like the L109 hand grenade where the ring of the pin is folded out of the way and clipped in place so the pin cant physically move out, or the L83 smoke grenade where the pin is kind of like a safety pin with a second leg that hooks behind the main pin which must be unhooked before ring can be pulled. --commando552 (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2018 (EST)
Yeah, the M84 flashbang has a second pin, too. But still, let's stay simple here, the answer in live-action film is that the pin's been straightened out. Evil Tim (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2018 (EST)

Some assistance to check out the page for any unidentified weapons.

Happy New Year folks. I'm working on this, but I got some missing info on some of the small arms used. Need another pair of eyes to check. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 08:52, 10 January 2018 (EST)

Registration

It says forum registration has been disabled and I can't register. Am I missing a step to join or was there too much spam? --H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 18:43, 18 January 2018 (EST)H3nry8adger1982

Please see here. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:05, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Doing a gun article on the ballistic knife pistol

Is it fine to do so? At least shows here have used it, but it's from anime. Ominae (talk) 01:30, 27 January 2018 (EST)

If you mean something like the Soviet NRS-2 Scout Firing Knife that fires actual bullets then sure, for just generic spring knives no because they aren't firearms. Evil Tim (talk) 02:01, 27 January 2018 (EST)
Gotcha. The ones in the show don't have any clues on the manufacturer, but they're based on actual BKPs. So I'll just give a generic title except for the NRS-2.Ominae (talk) 02:52, 27 January 2018 (EST)

6P62

Out of curiosity, the 6P62 Russian experimental anti-material rifle was intended as a portable machine gun, but with that 12.7x108mm round (albeit with a blatant 14-round magazine capacity), what would it classify exactly as? A GPMG or a unique form of man-portable heavy MG? (lol) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:59, 27 January 2018 (EST)

Its official classification is "Ruchnoy krupnokaliberny pulemyot" - literally "handheld large caliber machine gun", or (an oxymoron!) "light heavy machine gun". Greg-Z (talk) 06:21, 27 January 2018 (EST)
Absurd. That's what you call it. Or maybe just stupid. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:05, 27 January 2018 (EST)
They could have likely meant "handheld heavy machine gun". Now, GPMGs mostly fire full-sized rifle rounds in addition to being man-portable, but the 6P62's round is bigger. So... final verdict: portable HMG? (one of the very few real ones) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Tracking new articles made in contribution page

Not sure about this, but does a registered user like mua have a way of keeping track of finding how many pages I made are new (The one with the N symbol)? Ominae (talk) 04:34, 28 January 2018 (EST)

If you add your new articles in your watchlist, then "View and edit watchlist" in "My watchlist" section would be useful. If not... then I can suggest only manual listing in "My contrubution", choosing Namespace: Main (this option would exclude the list of uploaded files). Sorry, no more ideas. Greg-Z (talk) 06:40, 28 January 2018 (EST)

P226 full size?

Saw this when I was taking snapshot of Counterpart. Do need a second look here. Ominae (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

That is definitely a full size P226 given both the longer slide and hooked trigger guard. StanTheMan (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

Pistol-Caliber Carbines

So, yeah. These things are kind of a mess when it comes to classification. You can't really put them under pistols, because they rather obviously aren't, but you can't put them under submachine guns either, because they aren't full-auto, and they really can't be grouped with rifles either, because those generally fire rifle rounds, not handgun rounds. So, is there any really good way to deal with these? So far, the best answer I've heard is to just put them with the SMGs and then point out that they aren't full-auto, but if there are any other ideas out there that could work, I'm open to those too. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2018 (EDT)

They're Carbines put them in the Carbines section, you can find it on the Guns category. Also you should sign your posts. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 18:20, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, fixed. For the record, I probably should've clarified what I actually meant by this. What I was referring to was where to put these in an article, not what category under "Guns" they should go in. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
I got you brother, group them under Rifles due to their being a two handed shoulder arm firing single projectiles rather than shot. It's the natural distinction, all these more involved ones only came out due to self contained cartridges radically differing how firearms can be made. Winchester Rifles and Carbines get listed under rifles despite firing what are pretty much pistol cartridges. SMGs are always full automatic, if it's got a stock and is semi auto it goes into Rifles with a note in it's description, if has no stock and a short barrel it's a pistol. I can see where it can be confusing, just remember that rifles are two handed shoulder arms, the cartridge it fires doesn't define it. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 18:41, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
Gotcha, thanks for the help. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:35, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
We more recently have been naming 'Rifles' sections 'Rifles / Carbines' for this very reason, or so I feel anyway. Anyway BIP is correct in essentials - We've had the M1 Carbine in 'Rifles' sections prior to making this kind of running change, yet it too fires a cartridge that is 'not a rifle round' as well. It still follows them more closely than the other classifications, which have creteria that specifically excludes them - pistols have a particular aesthetic, as do SMGs which also have select (usually full auto) fire. StanTheMan (talk) 22:07, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
I think it's better to say that Pistol-Caliber Carbines (PCCs) aren't really rifles because they don't fire rifle-caliber cartridges. PCCs are pistol-caliber long guns, but not SMGs because they don't have burst-fire and/or full auto fire abilities. Personally I would just put them in a "Carbines" section of a page if it had room. --Mazryonh (talk) 15:40, 27 March 2018 (EDT)
At the end of the day I agree but that said for the sake of simplicity, again, I think we use 'Rifles / Carbines' on media pages to make it so inclusive. I would say separating the categories further isn't absolutely necessary. Eh, as always, just my take, of course. StanTheMan (talk) 22:08, 28 March 2018 (EDT)
I think we should hammer this out somewhere else. Is there an admin mailing list I can join or something to talk to them about it? A Rifles/Carbines section works for me even though something like the M1 or M2 Carbines were never rifles in the first place. Technically, "carbines" is too broad a term, because by itself it doesn't specify caliber or firing modes, just a barrel length. --Mazryonh (talk) 23:44, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
No, here is fine and rifles / carbines is fine, we don't need to invent new terminology for this. The fact that "carbine" doesn't specify calibre or firing mode is why we can use it. Besides, a select-fire pistol-carbine is called a submachine gun. Evil Tim (talk) 01:55, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

Russian guns in U.S.

Well, I knew that because of treaties (Clinton-Yeltsin treat that proibits weapons exchange between U.S. and Russia, U.N. sanctions for Ukraine crisis, the history of the MP-412 REX and so on...) But I discovered that some guns, like the Baikal MP-133 or the Saiga-12K which is even used by some governative agencies. I m not a U.S. citizen so how it works? --Dannyguns (talk) 07:37, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

The law enforcement purchases may have come prior to the sanctions. And there are no prohibitions against buying US made Kalashnikovs from US companies. --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:56, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
Thanks--Dannyguns (talk) 12:20, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

A question about self-translated title

Soviet mini series Vstrecha u vysokikh snegov lacks official English title, and I have a question about my home-made translation of the original title. Literally it would be Meeting at High Snows, but I doubt how it will be correct: Meeting, A Meeting or The Meeting. Please help, thanks in advance. Greg-Z (talk) 15:29, 4 April 2018 (EDT)

FWIW, Google Translate has it as Meeting at high snows. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:17, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
We wouldn't happen to have anyone here who is fluent in both Russian and English, would we? Google Translate can be hilariously inept at times. As for whether or not the title of that film needs an (in)definite article or an article at all, I have no idea. Some languages even lack one or more of those. --Mazryonh (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
I use google translator to check my translations, but prefer to do such work myself. And in such difficult case I can hardly rely on it. Greg-Z (talk) 13:21, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
It probably requires some context as to what the meeting being referred to is: is it one specific meeting among many ("A meeting"), a single event ("the meeting") or something people want to do ("meeting"). Evil Tim (talk) 02:02, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
The context is following: the main character is a man from a Central Asian village at the foot of the mountains (mentioned in the title as "High Snows") who returns to his native land after twenty years of prison, escape, banditry, participation in civil war in White and Red armies. At home he fights against enemies of past and new enemies, and at last it appears that the current leader of his enemies is his own son, unknown to this man. At last they tragically meet on battlefield. I guess that "The meeting" would fit better, right? Thanks! Greg-Z (talk) 13:21, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
If the meeting referred to by the title of the film is the climax of the film's story, then I agree that the title should probably read "The Meeting at High Snows." --Mazryonh (talk) 00:05, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
Thanks a lot! Greg-Z (talk) 02:51, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

Old deleted images

Question. Have these images been meant to be deleted and disposed of? They're here and here? Ominae (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

I removed this files from delete list. Thanks for pointing this out. Greg-Z (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2018 (EDT)
Okay. Thought that they're suppose to be gone. Although I need to get rid of this since I need to do more cropping. Ominae (talk) 21:13, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

Image check

Need someone to double check on a weapon id here, particularly the sniper rifle. Ominae (talk) 10:51, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

Looks like a Savage Arms Model 10 BA Stealth:
Savage Arms Model 10 BA Stelath - .308 Winchester
--commando552 (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2018 (EDT)



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