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2018

Happy New Year, everybody! Here's to another great year of guns, movies, and more. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2018 (EST) P.S.: This time, I'm first.

Happy Easter <3 Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

Pulling a grenade pin with your teeth

Many pages point out how pulling a grenade pin with your teeth in real life would cause dental damage. So, why is it easier to do in movies? Prop grenade uses different material?--Thomas (talk) 13:55, 9 January 2018 (EST)

It's a split / cotter pin, you can bend the split ends back together to make it easier to pull, with the qualifier that it makes it easier to pull when you don't want to, too. Obviously with an explosive device that you're carrying, you don't generally want to be able to pull the pin out easily (there's a scene in The Thin Red Line based on this, in fact). Evil Tim (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2018 (EST)
Maybe, I'm wrong, but, according Russian wikipedia, hand grenade's fuze contain two safeties (known in Russian as Usiki), which completely blocked any moving the of pin. After this safeties were removed, the pin may be much more easily removed (which result to grenade activating and explosion after a few seconds). But, I don't know, is this a correct information or not. Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:18, 9 January 2018 (EST)
I'm using Google Translate, but that seems to be talking about what I'm talking about. Here, I've got a grenade cutaway with a working pin, I'll show you.
Grenade pin demo.jpg
Left is the pin split open like it would be on a live grenade, right is how it flattens out after being pulled (you have to have flatten it slightly more to put it back in, even). On the right it's only held in place by the upward pressure of the spoon, and takes almost no force to pull out, the left I actually bent the pull ring a little pulling it out. Evil Tim (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2018 (EST)
The Russian wiki is just talking about the idea that you can straighten the split ring to make it easier to pull out. However there are some grenade that actually have multiple safeties or clips. For example, the M61 was an M26 that had an extra safety clip that kept the spoon in place even if you pulled the pin out. There are also other grenade where the pin itself is more complicated, like the L109 hand grenade where the ring of the pin is folded out of the way and clipped in place so the pin cant physically move out, or the L83 smoke grenade where the pin is kind of like a safety pin with a second leg that hooks behind the main pin which must be unhooked before ring can be pulled. --commando552 (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2018 (EST)
Yeah, the M84 flashbang has a second pin, too. But still, let's stay simple here, the answer in live-action film is that the pin's been straightened out. Evil Tim (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2018 (EST)

Some assistance to check out the page for any unidentified weapons.

Happy New Year folks. I'm working on this, but I got some missing info on some of the small arms used. Need another pair of eyes to check. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 08:52, 10 January 2018 (EST)

Registration

It says forum registration has been disabled and I can't register. Am I missing a step to join or was there too much spam? --H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 18:43, 18 January 2018 (EST)H3nry8adger1982

Please see here. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:05, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Doing a gun article on the ballistic knife pistol

Is it fine to do so? At least shows here have used it, but it's from anime. Ominae (talk) 01:30, 27 January 2018 (EST)

If you mean something like the Soviet NRS-2 Scout Firing Knife that fires actual bullets then sure, for just generic spring knives no because they aren't firearms. Evil Tim (talk) 02:01, 27 January 2018 (EST)
Gotcha. The ones in the show don't have any clues on the manufacturer, but they're based on actual BKPs. So I'll just give a generic title except for the NRS-2.Ominae (talk) 02:52, 27 January 2018 (EST)

6P62

Out of curiosity, the 6P62 Russian experimental anti-material rifle was intended as a portable machine gun, but with that 12.7x108mm round (albeit with a blatant 14-round magazine capacity), what would it classify exactly as? A GPMG or a unique form of man-portable heavy MG? (lol) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:59, 27 January 2018 (EST)

Its official classification is "Ruchnoy krupnokaliberny pulemyot" - literally "handheld large caliber machine gun", or (an oxymoron!) "light heavy machine gun". Greg-Z (talk) 06:21, 27 January 2018 (EST)
Absurd. That's what you call it. Or maybe just stupid. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:05, 27 January 2018 (EST)
They could have likely meant "handheld heavy machine gun". Now, GPMGs mostly fire full-sized rifle rounds in addition to being man-portable, but the 6P62's round is bigger. So... final verdict: portable HMG? (one of the very few real ones) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Tracking new articles made in contribution page

Not sure about this, but does a registered user like mua have a way of keeping track of finding how many pages I made are new (The one with the N symbol)? Ominae (talk) 04:34, 28 January 2018 (EST)

If you add your new articles in your watchlist, then "View and edit watchlist" in "My watchlist" section would be useful. If not... then I can suggest only manual listing in "My contrubution", choosing Namespace: Main (this option would exclude the list of uploaded files). Sorry, no more ideas. Greg-Z (talk) 06:40, 28 January 2018 (EST)

P226 full size?

Saw this when I was taking snapshot of Counterpart. Do need a second look here. Ominae (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

That is definitely a full size P226 given both the longer slide and hooked trigger guard. StanTheMan (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

Pistol-Caliber Carbines

So, yeah. These things are kind of a mess when it comes to classification. You can't really put them under pistols, because they rather obviously aren't, but you can't put them under submachine guns either, because they aren't full-auto, and they really can't be grouped with rifles either, because those generally fire rifle rounds, not handgun rounds. So, is there any really good way to deal with these? So far, the best answer I've heard is to just put them with the SMGs and then point out that they aren't full-auto, but if there are any other ideas out there that could work, I'm open to those too. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2018 (EDT)

They're Carbines put them in the Carbines section, you can find it on the Guns category. Also you should sign your posts. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 18:20, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, fixed. For the record, I probably should've clarified what I actually meant by this. What I was referring to was where to put these in an article, not what category under "Guns" they should go in. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
I got you brother, group them under Rifles due to their being a two handed shoulder arm firing single projectiles rather than shot. It's the natural distinction, all these more involved ones only came out due to self contained cartridges radically differing how firearms can be made. Winchester Rifles and Carbines get listed under rifles despite firing what are pretty much pistol cartridges. SMGs are always full automatic, if it's got a stock and is semi auto it goes into Rifles with a note in it's description, if has no stock and a short barrel it's a pistol. I can see where it can be confusing, just remember that rifles are two handed shoulder arms, the cartridge it fires doesn't define it. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 18:41, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
Gotcha, thanks for the help. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:35, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
We more recently have been naming 'Rifles' sections 'Rifles / Carbines' for this very reason, or so I feel anyway. Anyway BIP is correct in essentials - We've had the M1 Carbine in 'Rifles' sections prior to making this kind of running change, yet it too fires a cartridge that is 'not a rifle round' as well. It still follows them more closely than the other classifications, which have creteria that specifically excludes them - pistols have a particular aesthetic, as do SMGs which also have select (usually full auto) fire. StanTheMan (talk) 22:07, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
I think it's better to say that Pistol-Caliber Carbines (PCCs) aren't really rifles because they don't fire rifle-caliber cartridges. PCCs are pistol-caliber long guns, but not SMGs because they don't have burst-fire and/or full auto fire abilities. Personally I would just put them in a "Carbines" section of a page if it had room. --Mazryonh (talk) 15:40, 27 March 2018 (EDT)
At the end of the day I agree but that said for the sake of simplicity, again, I think we use 'Rifles / Carbines' on media pages to make it so inclusive. I would say separating the categories further isn't absolutely necessary. Eh, as always, just my take, of course. StanTheMan (talk) 22:08, 28 March 2018 (EDT)
I think we should hammer this out somewhere else. Is there an admin mailing list I can join or something to talk to them about it? A Rifles/Carbines section works for me even though something like the M1 or M2 Carbines were never rifles in the first place. Technically, "carbines" is too broad a term, because by itself it doesn't specify caliber or firing modes, just a barrel length. --Mazryonh (talk) 23:44, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
No, here is fine and rifles / carbines is fine, we don't need to invent new terminology for this. The fact that "carbine" doesn't specify calibre or firing mode is why we can use it. Besides, a select-fire pistol-carbine is called a submachine gun. Evil Tim (talk) 01:55, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

Russian guns in U.S.

Well, I knew that because of treaties (Clinton-Yeltsin treat that proibits weapons exchange between U.S. and Russia, U.N. sanctions for Ukraine crisis, the history of the MP-412 REX and so on...) But I discovered that some guns, like the Baikal MP-133 or the Saiga-12K which is even used by some governative agencies. I m not a U.S. citizen so how it works? --Dannyguns (talk) 07:37, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

The law enforcement purchases may have come prior to the sanctions. And there are no prohibitions against buying US made Kalashnikovs from US companies. --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:56, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
Thanks--Dannyguns (talk) 12:20, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

A question about self-translated title

Soviet mini series Vstrecha u vysokikh snegov lacks official English title, and I have a question about my home-made translation of the original title. Literally it would be Meeting at High Snows, but I doubt how it will be correct: Meeting, A Meeting or The Meeting. Please help, thanks in advance. Greg-Z (talk) 15:29, 4 April 2018 (EDT)

FWIW, Google Translate has it as Meeting at high snows. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:17, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
We wouldn't happen to have anyone here who is fluent in both Russian and English, would we? Google Translate can be hilariously inept at times. As for whether or not the title of that film needs an (in)definite article or an article at all, I have no idea. Some languages even lack one or more of those. --Mazryonh (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
I use google translator to check my translations, but prefer to do such work myself. And in such difficult case I can hardly rely on it. Greg-Z (talk) 13:21, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
It probably requires some context as to what the meeting being referred to is: is it one specific meeting among many ("A meeting"), a single event ("the meeting") or something people want to do ("meeting"). Evil Tim (talk) 02:02, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
The context is following: the main character is a man from a Central Asian village at the foot of the mountains (mentioned in the title as "High Snows") who returns to his native land after twenty years of prison, escape, banditry, participation in civil war in White and Red armies. At home he fights against enemies of past and new enemies, and at last it appears that the current leader of his enemies is his own son, unknown to this man. At last they tragically meet on battlefield. I guess that "The meeting" would fit better, right? Thanks! Greg-Z (talk) 13:21, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
If the meeting referred to by the title of the film is the climax of the film's story, then I agree that the title should probably read "The Meeting at High Snows." --Mazryonh (talk) 00:05, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
Thanks a lot! Greg-Z (talk) 02:51, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

Old deleted images

Question. Have these images been meant to be deleted and disposed of? They're here and here? Ominae (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

I removed this files from delete list. Thanks for pointing this out. Greg-Z (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2018 (EDT)
Okay. Thought that they're suppose to be gone. Although I need to get rid of this since I need to do more cropping. Ominae (talk) 21:13, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

Image check

Need someone to double check on a weapon id here, particularly the sniper rifle. Ominae (talk) 10:51, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

Looks like a Savage Arms Model 10 BA Stealth --commando552 (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
Thanks. Wondered why the mag looks familiar. Ominae (talk) 06:57, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Common firing sound

Any suggestion on what you could call that classic firing sound that we've been commonly hearing in some movies and video games from the past decade? (the sound used here for the AK). At this point, it has become as cliché as the Wilhelm scream. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:22, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

Unknown M1911 Variant

So, in case you somehow haven't noticed, I've been doing a lot of work on the H3VR page lately. Well, in a devlog a few weeks ago, an M1911 variant was shown off, referred to as the "1911 Operator" model. Does anybody know what this might be?

Examining the left side of the pistol...
...and the right.
Aiming the Operator. As with the earlier Tactical model (the Kimber Warrior), the Operator has an integrated red-dot sight, albeit a different, higher-profile model than the earlier pistol.
Firing a round. As with all the other M1911 variants, it's chambered in .45 ACP.
Replacing the now-empty magazine with a fresh one.
Finishing off the reload with a quick tug of the slide. Note that the slide is further back here than it was in the previous shot; H3 does, in fact, show that a weapon's bolt or slide can be pulled back past its lock point.

Any thoughts? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:53, 31 March 2018 (EDT) P.S.: Sorry for asking a bunch of questions lately.

Patent question

If a gun got a markings with PAT: XXXX with a 4-digit number written over, is the year in which was patented? And how can I tell the date of manufacture/patent from the ID number? (obviously for products not made by Steyr.)--Dannyguns (talk) 09:06, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom

Hey all, I'm new to the site so bear with me if something doesn't look right. I was curious about the Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom page. I believe the user "1morey" made the page. Apparently the shotgun shown in one of the trailers is a Remington 870. I cannot tell from the angle of the still provided. I was wondering how "1morey" was able to distinguish this as an 870? The forend of the shotgun looks very odd to me. Just wondering what makes it stand out as an 870. I might not have a good eye for the details. Thank you.

This should go on the talk page for Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. But as to your question, I'm not sure how he could make such as ID. I'm setting it to unknown. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:44, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

Help to ID the rifle in the movie

Hello! Excuse me, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this rifle in the movie. This is Russian 2007 movie, the story tooked place in 19th centery Yakutia vilage. Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:57, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

The rifle is clearly percussion.
The muzzle is seen. Note, that's rusty, which means the old age of this gun.
The sling attachin position is seen.
The percussion lock is seen again.
The hammer shape is seen in the darkness.
The hammer shape is seen clearly, althought through the fishnet.
The trigger guard can be seen.
Note, that this rifle is muzzleloaded.
The buttstock can be seen. Note, that the sling attached a few inches under the guard.
The trigger guard is seen again.

Possible new gun subcategories: caseless firearms and their related technologies

We have some weapons on this wiki that use caseless ammunition (G11, LSAT, etc.) or somewhat-caseless ammunition (GP-25 and related grenade launchers, Volcanic Repeater, Gyrojet, etc.). Are there enough examples on this wiki to create a Caseless category and a "somewhat-caseless" category? I actually have a name in the works for the latter if it gets approved, as well as a definition for a glossary if that proves necessary. This is the first time I've done this here and I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, or if the forums or an admin mailing list are more appropriate for proposals like these. --Mazryonh (talk) 22:49, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

I'm not sure what the point of the new category would be. Would users actually come here and search for weapons which use caseless or somewhat-caseless(?) ammo? I don't have any issues updating the glossary, but categories require maintenance, and it's a lot of busy-work. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:51, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

The late firearms technology writer David Schatz called GP-25 ammunition and related developments (including the Volcanic Repeater's, citation available on request) "semi-caseless" ammunition, but that's a rather vague term. Here's my argument: rounds of ammunition like GP-25 grenades or the Volcanic Repeater's should be called "holomobile," like "automobile," but with "holo-" for "whole." "Holomobile" is a more precise term than "semi-caseless," because both a G-11 round and a GP-25 round leave no casing behind in the original weapon once fired, but a GP-25 round's casing hasn't actually been replaced with a block of propellant. Instead, the GP-25 round's casing just left the weapon to join the rest of the fired round on its way to the target, so the entire round moves as a whole towards the target once fired, hence "holomobile", unlike conventional cased ammunition where the case stays in the weapon and gets extracted to load the next round.

Under this paradigm, anything that works like the GP-25 launcher's ammunition, with the exception of things like mortar and rocket/missile launchers which have always inherently worked on this principle, might fall under the acronym "Holomobile Ammunition-Using WeaPON" (or HAUPON, pronounced "Hop-On"), or just "Holomobile" if we denote caseless firearms under the hypothetical "Caseless" subcategory (which should include both fictional and real caseless firearms like the Aliens Pulse Rifle and the H&K G11 rifle.

I like the categories on this site because you can use them to see how a specific firearm is related to others in the wiki. Sure, it's busy-work, but so is any wiki to stay updated. --Mazryonh (talk) 00:47, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

I don't see how this would help people identify firearms. Also no, we're not going to feature firearm terminology you invented. Also why would you classify Gyrojets as caseless rounds? We already have a term for what they are, they're rockets. Evil Tim (talk) 02:49, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
This wiki has always been something of a collection of niche interests (look at how many detailed entries we have for guns that have only one media entry, like the Ithaca Auto & Burglar shotgun). I was thinking that adding a Caseless and a Semi-Caseless category allows users to find out what other film- and motion-media-featured guns of those kinds have appeared in various media titles, how to differentiate those guns from others, and how they work (when it is relevant to the media they appear in). Classifying the G11 as caseless is significant because it actually had working prototypes, and the Aliens Pulse Rifle can also go in that subcategory.
As for neologisms, I'm only resorting to them because the word for this concept hasn't been officially designated or become commonly used. But new firearms technology comes into play all the time, so why should the marketing execs who come up with terms like RIP (Radically Invasive Projectile), EXACTO, or "Counter-Defilade Target Engagement System" get to have all the fun? Informal terms like "Chicom" or "ChiCom" are also used on this wiki too. "Holomobile" is more in the vein of APCR or APFSDS in that it's intended to provide a short, apt, and accurate description of how the ammunition operates. Yes, I made up the term "holomobile," but only because an apt term hasn't been officially designated yet on this wiki. Gyrojets are a interesting case because no other weapon system I know of fires out inert (i.e., no warhead of any sort) rocket-propelled projectiles not intended only for training, and that can be easily mistaken for being caseless.
The only relevant citation I can find right now is also from Jim Schatz, where he attempts to differentiate caseless ammunition ("has a fully-combustible propellant body") from conventional cased ammunition and "semi-caseless ammunition" on pages 5 and 6 of this DTIC presentation file, and struggles due to the lack of a designated or commonly-used term to denote ammunition like VOG-25 grenades and "Rocket Ball" ammunition.
Besides, "what business are we in?" aside from selling ad views to maintain the servers without a constant stream of notations? We're in the business of informing our audience, clarifying confusion about how relevant firearms work and why that matters, and providing conclusive evidence about what firearms appeared in which media titles. Clearing up the ways that firearm ammunition is cased (or otherwise) also works towards that end. Funny how the GP-series grenade launcher page claims its ammunition is "caseless," when in fact it functions more like the Volcanic Repeater, and the latter page struggles to define it as a "borderline case" because of the lack of an apt and descriptive term which "holomobile" could fill. --Mazryonh (talk) 16:00, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
First off, trying to use one fictional film weapon to help your case for adding a category sounds a lot like grasping at straws. Secondly if we use your terminology in one way or other on a page that you don't prefer, that opens us up to all kinds of potential problems - problems the site doesn't need to waste time and energy on. I know you'll say you don't care, but even then better to avoid any potential disputes of that sort with members entirely I'd say. Thirdly, we mainly don't use marketing terms, we use generally accepted classifications and definitions that are used throughout the official and technical realm of firearms literature elsewhere. Hence why acronyms like APFSDS are acceptable. Your term has no usage except to classify a type of firearm (of which there are very few examples in the first place) to an inth degree, something that I very much doubt any considerable number of people are actually looking for at any given time, let alone looking for it here. Moving on, fourth, 'Gyrojets' are still technically rockets - that they may be thought of as something else sounds more an issue we should correct people on, not make up an additional extraneous term to further confuse and obfuscate the matter. Fifth and finally, you have obfuscated and confused what we do here in my book. We're here primarily to identify firearms used in media. That is - or at least should be - the paramount focus of the site. I honestly think putting a lot of energy to anything not directly related to that is honestly a waste. Noting how a movie gun operates versus a real example fits that bill. Adding super-specific extraneous classifications of guns is not. We're not supposed to be a firearms encyclopedia - which as long as we're linking to other places for reference, is stated right in the RSP. Although that note pertains specifically to images, I think that is a principle to be applied more generally throughout the site. When it comes to all these super specific categories and classifications, massive paragraphs regarding a weapon's ultra-detailed history and operation, and so forth, there's other - frankly more suitable - places for that, in print and on the internet. Bottom line we are an information archive yes, but one with a central purpose that honestly I've been seeing much of the site spend a lot of time and energy deviating from over the years, this being yet again a prime example. StanTheMan (talk) 19:38, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
Holomobile sounds like something Jem would drive around in. If you can popularise the term we'll start using it, but we're not going to be the patient zero for it. Evil Tim (talk) 00:55, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Uploading a new version of a pre-existing image

How does this work? Every time I try it, the image thumbnail remains the same and I can't wrap my head around how this is supposed to work, I've seen others do it successfully though.--AgentGumby (talk) 19:32, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Ok, this is because we have Cloudflare between IMFDB's server and users, so while it updates the image on the actual server, it doesn't update the one stored in Cloudflare's cache for a while, and that's what people see. You can force an update to the thumbnail by changing the size of the displayed image (that's why you get those edits that change image size by 1 pixel, if you've ever noticed that) but the image itself you just have to wait for. So just change it from 600px to 601px and it should update on the page. Evil Tim (talk) 19:46, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
Bueno, thanks--AgentGumby (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

1 extra pixel for image sizes

Very often I would see edits like this that add 1 pixel to the size of an image on a page. It happens semi-often on this site but I have never seen this anywhere else. What are they for? --Wuzh (talk) 10:38, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Whenever someone uploads a new version of an existing image, it takes a while for it to actually change on its own. Adjusting the file size essentially forces the site to recognize that the image has been updated, but adjusting it by one pixel prevents it from actually being noticeable. In cases such as this one, it was more important than most, because the new version of the image had a different aspect ratio than the original, so leaving the images as-is left them looking "squashed".

Sincerely,

The guy who just made the edit you linked to as an example, AKA Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:45, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Oh, interesting trick. I just wait it out. --Wuzh (talk) 10:51, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
Correct, it refreshes the thumbnail. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:55, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Supernatural Seasons 8-14

Is it just me or people just lost interest in updating the seasons 7-12 or even creating seasons 13 & 14? If people are about to ask me "why don't you do it yourself?" well one, I don't know where to download and two, I don't have a computer and I use my phone to do all of this stuff and it lags real bad like right now as I'm trying to type. I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 23:33, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

Speaking for at least myself, sometimes other commitments get in the way. Jobs, spouses, kids, things come up. If someone gets to it, they'll get to it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:49, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
I did the first 7 seasons but whilst I was doing that others started on the latter seasons so I put it on hold, especially as I only have it on DVD rather than the HD source the latter seasons were started in. However, nobody ever finished the latter ones so I intend to do them at some point (I only currently have up to season 12 though and it will only be DVD quality), but seeing as how I haven't actually watched these latter seasons yet I essentially need to fully watch 5 seasons (only taking me up to season 12) so that is about 80 hours of TV without even taking into account the time needed to actually get the screenshots and make the pages, so it will probably take me a while, so if anyone else wants to do it, feel free. --commando552 (talk) 08:24, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Help to ID the ancient revolver

Hello! Excuse me, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this ancient revolver in the anime movie The Dagger of Kamui. Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:52, 17 July 2018 (EDT)

The hammer can be seen.
The revolver is partly seen.
Perfect view of the trigger guard.
Note the barrel lenght. This gun is seems to be a pinfire.
Seems like a Colt Open Top Revolver with the trigger guard of a Lemat Revolver, probably to look cool. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 17:20, 17 July 2018 (EDT)
Maybe, something from Lefaucheux Revolvers series, like this, or this? At least, it has the similar trigger guard, open top and a pinfire as well. Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:18, 18 July 2018 (EDT)
Might could be, the hammer looks to be shaved down so it's flush with the frame. Could be modeled after a centerfire conversion of a pinfire Lefaucheux. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 19:00, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Metric units vs United States customary

I think IMFDB should prioritize metric over US customary units. The metric system is the more widespread system. --Wuzh (talk) 03:15, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

But it's an American site. Evil Tim (talk) 03:17, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
Then be consistent and use American English in descriptions, Tim :P --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:00, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
I do, now. Mostly. >.> Evil Tim (talk) 15:14, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

H3VR's "M4 Shorty"

I already posted this on the H3VR talk page, but since I haven't gotten a solid response over there, I figured that this would be the next logical step. So, one copy-paste later...

In Update #49, a third variant of the "new" M4A1 model was added, referred to as the "Shorty" variant; as the name implies, it has a shortened barrel, handguard, and gas system. Now, I was going to add this under the M4A1 entry, but then I remembered two important things:

1. Virtually every single possible combination of parts (especially with regards to barrel lengths and types) on an AR-15-pattern rifle has its own unique designation, and
2. I am really bad at identifying them.

As such, I would like some assistance in figuring out just what we should call the "M4 Shorty" on the page. Here are a couple reference images:

Here's a shot of the forend and barrel...
...and here's a brass-check glamour shot.

Any ideas? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 17:14, 1 September 2018 (EDT) P.S.: Yes, I did re-type my signature. Why? Because, that's why.

It's a bit far-fetched to say that every possible combination of AR-15 parts has its own unique designation :P especially when you see custom carbines such as this one and this one. That's why I don't think this shorty M4 has a particular real-life counterpart; at best, I could probably call it an ever shorter version of the CQB-R / Mk 18 Mod 0. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:55, 2 September 2018 (EDT)
Perhaps I should've specified: every officially manufactured AR-pattern rifle has its own designation that we try to point out (especially when the official manufacturing is done by one of the major manufacturers). So, if it's not anything in particular (the most likely explanation being a "pistol" upper attached to an M4A1 lower), then what should I call it? And, for that matter, where should I put it? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 08:54, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

Help, I am looking for pictures of AK pistol.

I remember seeing the picture of AK shortened on this site before, but I have forgotten which page it was put on. It is cut barrel and handguard. It is like the picture below. -- KINKI'boy (talk) 3:07, 10 September 2018 (JST)

Isn't it an airsoft gun, like this one (don't know the manufacturer)? Greg-Z (talk) 14:13, 9 September 2018 (EDT)
No, without Stock. -- KINKI'boy (talk) 3:26, 11 September 2018 (JST)
Maybe what you're looking for is the Micro Draco pistol (currently in the AIMR section), but it's different from the one seen in that screencap; the latter doesn't seem to have a hooded front sight like those Romanian carbines. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:52, 10 September 2018 (EDT)
Here is another similar airsoft AKSU, Galaxy G.28S АК Beta Spetsnaz S. With removed muzzle brake and wooden furniture it would bear resemblance with a screen gun. Greg-Z (talk) 15:56, 10 September 2018 (EDT)

I need help to identify this pistol.

Im trying to help on the American Ultra page and in some scene of the film Mike takes a Beretta 92FS from Rose,but when he "takes" the gun,the scene changes to another cut of some other person taking another gun(Maybe because the actor couldnt do it) It could be a XD or a Glock? but i really cant say because of the rail and because its to dark for me,and i preffer to confirm what gun it is before doing an edit --MeilingSama (talk) 01:09, 12 September 2018 (EDT)

Another person takes the pistol from "Rose" in a different cut
Looks like a Glock with a Timberwolf frame. --Warejaws (talk) 11:48, 12 September 2018 (EDT)

A quick rule-related question.

Are unregistered/non-logged-in users allowed to upload screenshots? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:26, 29 September 2018 (EDT) P.S.: I know that I'm kinda sounding like a broken record, but does anybody have anything conclusive to say about the "M4 Shorty" a couple topics above?

No, you have to be a registered user to upload and make edits. --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
Alright, thanks for letting me know. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2018 (EDT)

Account Deletion

Hello, everyone I hope you're doing well. I just wanted to quickly reach out and ask about deleting my account. I've been on IMFDB for about 7 years now but I think it's time I move on to other endeavors. I've been told if I don't want to be on IMFDB, then simply don't use it, but I'm afraid that's not going to work in my case. If someone can begin the process of deleting my account or at the very minimum giving me a permanent suspension or ban will be great and really helpful. Thank you. Vintage Guns (talk)

I'll give you three months. If you haven't weaned yourself off by then, you're on your own. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:24, 4 October 2018 (EDT)

Database Error

Updating the Jack Ryan article and I'm almost done when I got this error:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

   (SQL query hidden)

from within function "LinkHolderArray::replaceInternal". Database returned error "1271: Illegal mix of collations for operation ' IN ' (173.255.217.6)".

Ominae (talk) 20:08, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

Disabling the autoplaying videos that appear on Smith & Wesson and 1911 pages

Is there any way to disable these loud videos? They keep on appearing at the top of the page and auto-playing when I load any page with S&W or M1911 in their name. --Wuzh (talk) 23:34, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

If you go to My Preferences>Appearance and select Monobook, all ads disappear. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:38, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
That worked. Thanks. --Wuzh (talk) 23:42, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

A couple of AR variants.

Yep, it's me again. Much to everybody's chagrin. Anyway, I'm nearing the end of the H3VR screenshots I can actually take (I've got a plan for the rest), and I've picked up another couple of AR-15 derivatives. As above, so right here - I'm not particularly good with these, and now they're low-detailed, so if anyone has any insights, it'd be much appreciated. If not, well, it just be like that sometimes.

The AR that appears as a tutorial image on the item spawner. Best guess would be a Colt Law Enforcement Carbine, but my best guess doesn't exactly amount to much.
These wooden hot-dog soldier targets use a rifle that could probably be either a standard M4A1, or something more along the lines of a Colt Model 653.

Sorry to keep pestering everyone like this; all I can say is that it'll probably be over relatively soon. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:19, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Actually, I think for now that I'll just put them down as "Unkown AR-15 Carbines" or something of the sort, and if anyone gets any inspiration, they can edit as they please. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:57, 10 November 2018 (EST)

R6 Siege page deleted?

The Rainbow Six Siege page seems to be deleted, which is annoying since a new update is on the horizon that’s adding some new guns. What’s the deal? ---P226 01:45, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Huh... the page is still up for me... Rainbow Six Siege. I'm not sure what's happening on your end. --Wuzh (talk) 03:32, 18 November 2018 (EST)

For some reason I'm getting "weblogin.html" and it says the page has no text. This happens only on my phone (I used to visit on my phone occasionally in the past) but my laptop and desktop can display the page fine...pretty weird, maybe it'll sort itself out.---P226 13:14, 18 November 2018 (EST)

My Introduction

Hello all! This is my first time on creating an account for such a purpose, so I could say that I am the newest of newbies in the website. I don't know if this is the right page for asking this, but I wanted to try and "refresh" to the page of the game "Cross Fire", a game that I've been playing for a long time, and I noticed that it's quite lacking in detail (and some guns). I would mostly add some stuff I've screenshot myself, but there is a little problem. Cross Fire is currently played on certain countries (I'm from the Philippines), but some of those countries has some guns unique to them (Let's say, a P08 Luger is only available to the North American server. Cross Fire does have its own wiki, which features those guns, but I may have to ask permission from that website to post images that they have to IMFDB. --KokoRocks30 (talk) 07:50, 23 November 2018 (EST)

Note: I may have screwed up a few couple times...sorry. --KokoRocks30 (talk) 07:50, 23 November 2018 (EST)

First of all, it's alright, I could understand you just fine. As for your question, that's perfectly fine. Just go over to their wiki, ask for permission, and follow their instructions - I myself did this getting screenshots for Fallout: New Vegas. You'll probably have to credit them in the image's description, but it should be just fine. Unless, for some reason, they choose not to let you take the screenshots, which would send us back to the drawing board. Sincerely, Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 08:53, 23 November 2018 (EST) P.S.: I must say, I applaud you for taking on as daunting a task as updating the Cross Fire page. A commendable effort indeed.

I appreciate the compliment, sir! Although I think some would expect the discussion page to be quite busy, as I may be a gun enthusiast, but I'm no genius when it comes to identifying weapons with perfect detail, so I may need some help in the future. --KokoRocks30 (talk)

Also, I would start right now by adding needed screenshots of some weapons in the game, before I add the necessary details after I've obtained permission from the Cross Fire wiki.--KokoRocks30 (talk)

Shadow of the Tomb Raider

Any idea what this thing is supposed to be? It's Lara's standard pistol from the new game, and all I could come up with is some M1911/Hi-Power/S&W semi-auto frankengun.

STR smith 2.jpg
STR smith 5.jpg

There is also a AK variant, FN FNC, FN FAL (semi-only), SCAR-H, Remington 870 (I think), some other shotgun, Browning M2, probable CZ 75 and probable S&W Model 27.

Also, I'm logged out of the forum and can't recover my account because the capatcha is down.--Mandolin (talk) 15:53, 25 November 2018 (EST)

About these videos...

Is there any way to block these sponsored videos that play o a lot of our pages now? My adblock doesn't help either. Is there an option to turn them off somewhere?--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 19:10, 5 December 2018 (EST)H3nry8adger1982

If you go to My Preferences>Appearance and select Monobook, all ads disappear. --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:57, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Thank you very much!--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2018 (EST)H3nry8adger1982

May I ask why do these videos exist on IMFDB? IMFDB already has a bunch of advertisements, and it seems kinda weird for there to be those sponsored autoplaying non-muted videos. --Wuzh (talk) 23:51, 10 December 2018 (EST)

The Titling, The

I want to ask is this style of "The at the end" titling really necessary? Wikipedia doesn't do that. IMDB doesn't do that. This kind of titling is confusing to the average reader and makes it harder to search for some of the titles. --Wuzh (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Do you know how hard it would be if you didn't do this? If you didn't do this, you would have hundreds of entries that start with the letter "T". --Ben41 (talk) 21:13, 11 December 2018 (EST)

There is a way to fix this. It's called DEFAULTSORT. It is available on all mediawikis as a magic word built into the system (Wikipedia has a template for it because they want a category for all pages that use the magic word). It changes the sequence of the categories without changing the title. So for instance The Last of Us will have a DEFAULTSORT at the bottom saying DEFAULTSORT:Last of Us, The. This doesn't change the title, but it does change the position of The Last of Us in the categories so it is now in the L categories. It works on IMFDB too. Given enough time, I will be able to fix all the titles this way. --Wuzh (talk) 22:02, 11 December 2018 (EST)
Uh, think you might wanna run this by the admins and/or Bunni before you just take it upon yourself to conduct such a mass alteration of the site? I mean with all due respect, while you have a point doesn't change the fact there is an administration here and I understand it's that administration that decides how the site's formatted. Especially given you haven't waited to see if anyone answers the query you posited about whether or not it has to be that way and the fact I'm pretty sure you are literally the only person to actually raise this issue thus far. StanTheMan (talk) 22:33, 11 December 2018 (EST)
For the sake of your own sanity, I'd advise against that, Wuzh. It's a noble goal and all, but I'm fairly certain that you'd have to add that into the pages manually, and that's probably somewhere in the quadruple digits by this point, if not quintuple. Just let it go. Trust me, you don't want to get sucked into a project too big for you to finish that you can't bear to leave unfinished. Just look at me; I started working on the H3VR, and here I am, unknowingly creating the wiki's biggest page, then having to split it up because it's so big that people can't load it. And yet, at this very moment, I'm still updating the page, adding more screenshots, writing more text, typing out the same image formatting text a dozen times over. You'll think, "Oh, it's not so bad. It'll only be a few pages." But then "a few" turns into "a few dozen", and that turns into "a few hundred", and then "a few thousand", and then you've wasted hundreds of hours of your life typing out text into a white box, and you're not even halfway done yet. But even now, it still keeps you up at night, thinking about all the work you have left to do, and all the pages that still don't match, and all the things that need to be set straight, and you just can't stop now, you just can't leave a job halfway done, so you keep going, keep going, but never seem to get any further, because no matter how many pages you update, no matter how much text you type, no matter how far you walk along an infinitely long path, you never get any closer to the end, because THERE ISN'T AN END.
Just let it go, man. Let it go... Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:34, 11 December 2018 (EST) P.S.: Yes, this was supposed to sound like needlessly dramatic movie dialogue, in case you're wondering. But still, the point stands. Someone like yourself has got better things to do then manually put the same bits of formatting text into ten thousand different articles one-by-one.
Lol while I don't quite subscribe entirely to the dramatis above, fake or not (:P) another point is raised in there - say you start this massive edit but then for whatever reason have to stop midway. We're then left hanging until someone else finishes it up. Again I'd say wait for some reply from Bunni or the others but bottom line in my mind - as it's been said before on other issues - it really sounds like a lot of work (for whoever does it) for negligible gain on the site. StanTheMan (talk) 22:45, 11 December 2018 (EST)
I have to agree with STM's first comment, Wuzh; I noticed that you sometimes have the tendency of going ahead and suddenly making major changes without getting the approval of admins (or at least long-term editors). This isn't an appropriate thing to do on IMFDB, and here we don't have the same "be bold" level as in Wikia (uh, sorry... "Fandom" - fucking dumb name). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:58, 12 December 2018 (EST)

Belated additional note: when StanTheMan's warned of the admins of my behavior, STM incorrectly described DEFAULTSORT as a Template, when in fact it is a Magic Word. Even though the two use the same double curly bracket style, DEFAULTSORT is only a template on Wikipedia. We can use it without turning it into a template. It is built into the MediaWiki framework. --Wuzh (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2018 (EST)

OK. So I understand that it would be unwise for me to undertake the entire project by myself. I wonder if it would be possible to create a wiki bot to perform the duty. I would still argue that the current style of putting ", the" at the end is better off gone than being let go just because "this is how it's been done for a long time". This format is ultimately erroneous and confusing, since now instead of having the film The Predator, we instead have the film Predator, The. No such film called Predator, The exists, and having these erroneous names as the page titles confuses readers and editors alike. I still say we should change the titles, presumably by creating a wiki bot that can automate the process. --Wuzh (talk) 07:17, 23 December 2018 (EST)

Yeah, bot would work as long as whoever sets the thing up doesn't just turn it loose without bothering to tell us what it does. We had issues with someone trying to do automated grammar edits with a bot a while back, it wasn't exactly pretty since he decided to delete "unnecessary" linebreaks with it and forgot that linebreaks are used to indicate paragraphs. Those were some fun days of hitting rollback several hundred times, believe you me. Evil Tim (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2018 (EST)
Hell, just about any sort of automated software would have to be specialized and tested. I mean, even our autocorrect doesn't recognize some gun-specific terms as real words, like "forend" (which it tries to change to "frond"), or "Arisaka" to "Arasaka", "magwell" to "maxwell", "spitzer" to "spitter", etc. It gets kinda annoying when it won't change "wsa" to "was", but will gleefully switch "Bergmann" to "Bergman" before you've even finished writing it. Still, if you could get a bot to work, and set up some way to test it on a small scale first, then I don't see why not. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:25, 24 December 2018 (EST)
This is not really an issue. You can create a page for The Predator for example, and then move it to Predator, The. The move automatically creates a redirect, so both titles will be valid. It's spelled out in the Style Guide. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:32, 24 December 2018 (EST)
The simpler method for resolving the original issue of article words at the start of a title is using DEFAULTSORT. IMFDB's solution is actually more convoluted. I am going to challenge the style guide right here and say that the "The at the rear" style is unprofessional, confusing, and is more hassle than it's worth, like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. New pages should use DEFAULTSORT instead of doing the "The at the rear" rename, and it is a different question entirely if we should create a bot to go through all the old pages and update them. --Wuzh (talk) 10:20, 24 December 2018 (EST)
There is a perfect rule: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. As this issue can be fixed with simplest measures, no need for complex ones. Greg-Z (talk) 09:53, 24 December 2018 (EST)
Bah, challenge the established practices of the site if you wish, but I doubt you'll get much further than those that have pushed the issue over frankly smaller things such as us not using the proper times symbol or em dashes (and I for one sincerely hope you don't push it to the point of meeting the same end those folks did). That said the fact remains you are still the only one who has complained about this and frankly it stills seems a big much ado about nothing. Honestly this all sounds like your problem and issue that you're trying to muddle by invoking hypothetical others into your argument, and that shit likewise hasn't gotten anyone very far either. So this way of doing it is unprofessional.. to who? Confusing to who? Hassle to who? Aside from perhaps yourself you've no proof of that at all. And even then it's a subjective matter. Only difference is again, you're not one of the ones who decides these things.
That said, I'll still address your concern with the 'average reader' - apparently you missed the point of what FCM said: That being the Style Guide indicates when you create a page that starts 'The' you create it as such and then move it to the title as we do it and the auto-made redirect takes care of the rest. So with that technically there IS actually a 'The Predator' page that again acts as the redirect for the page as we title it. And when you search directly for said title - which to my mind is more what the 'average reader' does, rather than scroll through the lists of titles - it will come up that way and still take you to the right page (disambiguation pieces notwithstanding). Case in point I just typed in 'The X-Files' and BAM it goes directly to the page for it, even though the page is actually titled 'X-Files, The'. So in terms of accessibility, I'm personally not seeing what a great undo burden it's causing on any of these so-called 'average readers'. Set that aside and it again comes back to it not meeting some aesthetic in your mind.
Now I could be wrong about how average folks use the site; if we do a poll or something that says others are having trouble with this well maybe you've something to stand on, but even then I'm not sure we decide things on here based on popular opinion. In any case as it stands right now we have only your complaint and only your ideas on what is 'professional' and what isn't I doubt will ever be enough to convince anyone of changing anything.
Last note, the idea of a bot sounds good, if again it came be done without causing another issue on the site like the one Tim mentioned. Even then though, I still stand by my point that this sounds like a lot of effort for ultimately minimal gain for the site itself. StanTheMan (talk) 18:04, 24 December 2018 (EST)

The infobox on the page for The Expanse called the show Expanse, The instead of by its actual name because the infobox uses the PAGENAME magic word, which pulls the incorrect title from the page. This also happens on other pages that have The at the end and use PAGENAME. I've fixed it for now, but you can see how naming titles in the incorrect way can cause unwanted difficulties. --Wuzh (talk) 00:52, 25 December 2018 (EST)

"Losing session data"?

So recently there has been this thing going on where edits on IMFDB cannot be published for a few hours at a time. During this time if you try to publish an edit, this thing pops up and tells you that you can't publish the edit:

"Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in."

Logging out and logging back in does nothing (in fact you can't even log in during this period of outage. Does anybody know what is happening and how can we resolve it? --Wuzh (talk) 07:53, 17 December 2018 (EST)

I've been getting 500 server errors from uploading images, sounds a bit like your problem although I'm not getting signed out or having issues with editing pages.--AgentGumby (talk) 00:05, 20 December 2018 (EST)

Please do something about this. Every day I get around four to five hours where I cannot edit, which overlaps significantly with my free time. --Wuzh (talk) 08:48, 21 December 2018 (EST)

I got hit with this last night. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
I think this might be related to the "Disabled cookies" problem the people on the forums mentioned. --Wuzh (talk) 09:39, 21 December 2018 (EST)



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