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My friend, i have done the job of describing the differences of the Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series check the discussion board of the page. i hope you appreciate my work.-User:SargeOverkill


It is better to block this idiot for an infinite period of time, since just as his blocking period expired he has started making his usual changes, Take for example, he added the pistol and machine pistol category to full-sized SMGs like Spectre M4 and Jatimatic.--SB2296 08:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

S&W 4500

I recently combined the smith & wesson 4505, 4506, 4516, and 4566 articles into one. I was told to contact an administrator to see about removing the old individual pages if the change is considered acceptable. -Anonymous

(What I wrote to ANONYMOUS) I just banned an IP address (person did not log in as user Anonymous) for wholesale removal of data from three S&W pages. That is NOT the way to do it. If this is YOU (i.e. Anonymous User), I will lift the ban, but you CREATE the new page first and then cut & paste the old data AND then put a note at the TOP of the old page explaining what you did. Suddenly BLANK Pages by unknown IP addresses usually AUTOMATICALLY put up a big red flag. If that is you, ALWAYS log in before you do stuff like that. Unknown IP address get automatically banned for that. MoviePropMaster2008 18:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The Stand

Why so snarky? The last photo does appear to be some type of folding stock attached to the weapon. And why did you not either send me a message on my page or add to the discussion page for the movie? I don't mind a debate but I'm puzzled by your tone. Have I done something to you lately? I was under the impression that we strove for some type of polite excahnges here. --Jcordell 02:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure I understand how that goes.We all get tired and sometimes come across in wasy that we didn't intend. Not a problem. I thought I saw a folded stock in the last screecap, but I'll change it to the 89 model.I'm not a big MP5 guy. More into S&W revolvers. Thanks. --Jcordell 16:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I am back again

Hey Matt, Things have been slow so I have to work twice as hard to make ends meet. The Industry has been off as of late but did work on some TV shows. Shop work is slowly coming on line so that will be nice. I like the new things going on with the website looks good. ritwikbmca new templates look great don't know if the rest of the admins had agreed on them as standard. I have been hearing from others in the Industry about the site most good some feel that there are some errors that need to be corrected. I did find out that some film archivist are looking at the site to very weapons and props used in the films which is very cool. A couple have stated we should think about adding studios to the show info so it can be used as a cross reference. I believe that no matter what people believe that IMFDB will be similar to IMDB on the information it has. I have other show that I have screen-capped and hope to post some more this week and go back through others to check them of errors. -Phoenixent

Buying a SIG

I may be looking into getting a SIG P220 (45acp). At the gun shop where I bought a S&W 4505 (same as your 4506 but blued, carbon steel). After the 3 day waiting period is up on the 4505, I'm going to take my Desert Eagle up there and see what they'll give me for it. The SIG in question is a two tone model, nickel side, black frame. It had a better grip than the 4505 but it was $50 more (listed at $600) and wasn't as clean as the 4505. Are the pre '96 stamped slide models the best to get and is there anything else I should look for? Is there anything else negative about the post '96 models other than the slide weight? --Predator20 19:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, very informative. No problem with it being long either. Cleared up a lot of questions. I'm pretty sure it had the older style plastic grips. I don't think it had nickel controls either just the slide. I'll bring the date list with me and check. I didn't really give it a good look over. I just saw that was as clean as the 4505. I went into the gun shop just to see what they had, didn't plan on buying anything. I saw that 4505, you don't ever see them just the 4506 models. That had some P226's too, didn't really look at them. I already have a few nines and was wanting to get some .45's. If the Desert Eagle was a .44 I would keep it, my S&W 586 takes care of my .357 needs. If the SIG isn't up to par I get something else and look into getting one later. Thanks for the help. Also I considered trying to buy your 4506, but since it's a pain for you to ship out of state, I went local. --Predator20 20:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
No SIG for me. Gun shop wanted to give me $500 for the Desert Eagle. I didn't handle the SIG again. But I was wrong about the grips. Had the newer style. I'll get a SIG later. I'm very pleased with the 4505. I just wish the grip had a little swell on the sides to keep it from being so flat. I'll post some pics on the forum later. --Predator20 23:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


He's back. I've had to fix almost a dozen pages on which he did edits. For one thing, he adds custom gun pics to the main gun pages, and then he doesn't even format it correctly. WTF? MoviePropMaster2008 18:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Seecamp LWS-32

I replaced the image of the Seecamp from Weapon Specialists LTD with one from my own inventory. At least it's one of our own copyrighted images. Hope you like it. :) MoviePropMaster2008 07:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Seecamp LWS-32 pocket pistol - 32 acp


I just had to to block him AGAIN for one month. I'm tempted to permanently ban him. Literally the MOMENT that his ban expired, he started making TONS of changes, most of which were stupid and required fixing. Thoughts? Should this guy get a longer ban? MoviePropMaster2008 19:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

RE: Afghan Breakdown

In regards to your question I'm afraid there hasn't been a version of Afghan Breakdown released with English subtitles, officially or otherwise. I tried looking for them when I originally watched the movie and found that the torrented version was Italian-dubbed while the only available subtitles were Polish. --Markit 02:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

So are you happy now?

I'll get one of the Canuck Flat top soon.... ;)

Colt 715 aka Canadian C7 Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Unlike the real C7, this has an A1 flash hider for the sake of a full 'flower' flash pattern

MoviePropMaster2008 06:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

BTW: More pics ;)

I've been replacing a bunch of the lame pics. :) MoviePropMaster2008 06:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

East German AKM - MPi-KM-72 Transitional Rifle - 7.62x39mm
Savage Stevens 311A Shotgun - 12 gauge
M1A1 Paratrooper Carbine - .30 Carbine
Ruger 10/22 (Pre-2005 Model) - .22 LR
Colt Single Action Army Fast Draw Model "Hand of God" - .45 LC
Smith & Wesson Model 19
Rossi Model 851 Revolver - .38 Special
1970s era Charter Arms Undercover with 3" barrel - .38 Special

There's no pleasing you ;)

So are all the Canadian shows have the Oly grip on them? Are you sure? If they have the A2 style pistol grip, then it's essentially the same rifle. Also the 715 is not mine so I won't be getting that back to photograph any time soon. MoviePropMaster2008 19:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

What about Stargate and other shows?

There are TONS of TV shows filmed in Canada and I'm not sure that they use the Oly grip. I 'think' Seven days had the A2 grip and SG1 had the A2 grip sometimes. Let me know if ALL of the Canadian shows have the Oly grip, but I am sure I've seen other lowers on the guns in the past. I will try to get the rifle upper back and film it on an Oly lower. YOU KNOW I'm the ONLY IMFDB member who bothers to do that! ;) MoviePropMaster2008 19:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Deleting Frankengun pics

I just deleted another one of my pics 'modified' by a member. I don't mind placeholders but the noobs don't give accreditation so I delete them as soon as I see them. People doing 'frankengun' chop jobs DE-motivates me to go out and photograph the real guns, and we don't want THAT to happen. :) I mean why bother trying to track down the real guns from HEAT if some guy is going to PS Franken gun another gun? If it looks decent enough the reason and motivation for me to take the time (and irritate my fellow armorers) becomes less and less compelling. Thoughts? MoviePropMaster2008 19:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

C7 stuff

I was going to overwrite your old C7 shot with this new image, but then I realized that the naming nomenclature would be wrong and give the wrong impression (i.e. naming the file c7 when the rifle is a 715). I am looking forward to fixing the UGLY pics of the Diemaco section of the M16 page soon. Just a thought regarding a movie page, I don't think the rifles in Operation Dumbo Drop are 715s. Those 715 uppers were really prevalent in the 1990s when the supply of original M16A1 uppers dried up and everyone stopped making them and went to the A2 uppers. A lot of guys who wanted the M16A1 look but didn't have an A1 gun were buying what we all called 'The Canadian A1 upper' to build up their guns. So it's a regular franken gun with a straight ring and light barrel that happens to have a 715 upper receiver. It's the real life franken guns that trips us up. AR parts from so many manufacturers are so prevalent that we can be seeing Bushmaster or DPMS or Eagle Arms (now defunct) or Pac West guns all over the place. I remember that Colt was NOT selling their lower receivers (assholes) before the first Clinton ban, but everyone else was. I bought over 30 Pac West receivers and built them up into AR15 variants before the first AW ban. They were about $55.00 (and then jumped up to $400 just before the ban.). Just a note. MoviePropMaster2008 20:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Colt cowards

They were one of the first ones to CAVE when the gun control fanatics started their jihad against gun owners, starting with the Stockton shooting in Feb 1989 all the way to the passage of the Clinton AW ban in 1994. Colt SOLD complete emasculated rifles with no bayonet lug and renamed receivers. Colt refused to sell lower receivers upon which to build custom guns. But that's what armorers wanted. We swap out uppers all the time. So unless the armory (like Stembridge, and later CW who picked up a lot of their stuff) bought all their guns in the 1970s and 1980s, from Colt, the most prevalent build up guns would be by other manufacturers. IN the early 1990s Colt rifles were more expensive than many competitors and also harder to find. Colt, IMHO, is the American H&K ;) MoviePropMaster2008 21:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

715 photo

Just talked to the owner about getting the barreled upper for a shoot. He will be available in about 2 weeks. Also I discovered during our conversation. ((I didn't look that closely at the gun because it was a really quick shoot that I had to do in about 3 minutes! Someone put the gun against the white background and I lit it and click off about a dozen shots from that angle only and off it went))... that it was a full Colt 715 kit but mounted on a pre-1989 Bushmaster XM15-A2 lower that was legally converted to full auto fire from a civilian receiver (i.e. a post 86 sample). There are small 'marking' differences, i.e. the full auto setting word was stamped on LATER. Does that make a difference? Or should I reshoot the entire gun with a Colt lower receiver? MoviePropMaster2008 22:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Got an easy fix for the 715

The Factory Colt 715 has no select fire markings on the right side of the gun. I can just 'clone' out the markings, though I don't like to do that, (I use Photoshop just to remove SNs if needed, scratches, cracks, oil stains, weird reflections, etc. I try not to fundamentally change the look of the gun, just to 'clean it up'). But I can clone out the Bushmaster Selector markings and keep it blank. Thus for all intents and purposes, it looks like a Colt 715 lower from that side. MoviePropMaster2008 22:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

(EDIT) Done. I also cloned out a big fat THUMBPRINT that I left on the upper (oops!) hahahahaha. Don't want to pollute IMFDB's pics with that kinda stuff! :) MoviePropMaster2008 23:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

SIG P228

You know, I've been itching to replace that 228 with a better pic. That gun was dropped and in the middle of repair when I snapped a pic of it. The frame was scratched really bad (from a car stunt) and was repainted with black spray paint. It was NOT the best example to use. Should we let Joker keep his P228 pic until I can get a better screen used P228 sample? At the least, it will be a reminder for me to get a new P228 pic. Thoughts? MoviePropMaster2008 21:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I opt to keep the beater P228 pic for now. It IS a screen used gun, but nothing big or eventful, mostly B-movies and I can't figure out where it was rented to. I will try to get a screen used P228 from a BIG MOVIE from CW hopefully soon. I will be out of town for a WW2 documentary shoot for NATGEO in the South Pacific again (I leave on wed), so I will not be able to screencap or take pics (only some blank firing Pistols of which IMFDB already has the pics for and a BUNCH of rubber Arisakas and garands for some reenactments for the documentary film crew). I will be back 1st week of April. I will be on here on IMFDB, though via wi fi from the lap top from the hotel. If we get rained out, you'll be seeing me here on IMFDB! hahahaha. best regards MoviePropMaster2008 22:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Desert Eagle

Great work on the page. :) Let me know what you need help on. I think my brother has Lucky Number Slevin. So I'll check and see if the model can be determined. --Predator20 20:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I could give two shits about the video game junk too. Most of them will probably Mark XIX. The grid pattern isn't necessary unless it's a long list. But anyway I'll help what I can. Also that custom Eagle you just uploaded is a USA built one. --Predator20 21:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I would do, let the hardcore gamers sort that crap out if they care so much.(Very few would be Mark VII) Also even though there wouldn't be any blank converted Eagles in the .440 Cor-Bon caliber I added it to the specifications to be more accurate.--Predator20 21:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the .440 version didn't have the flutes. Also I'm throwing a wrench here. But I think the early Mark XIX models at least in the .44 Magnum may not have had fluted barrels. --Predator20 21:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Here we can see the .44 stamp on the other Russian's Desert Eagle Mark XIX. His has a chrome barrel and frame with a black slide.
Why do they prefer the .50 AE? Does it cycle better than the .357 and .44 because you can get a heavier powder charge? Or I'm wondering if the .50 isn't rimmed like the .357 and .44 makes it easier. All this talk about Eagles makes me what to go shoot mine.--Predator20 22:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I helped identify Desert Eagles appearing in animes and a few video games. Even after this a lot of video games are left, some of which cannot be identified since either those pages have no screencaps to identify the model or the Desert Eagles appearing in them have components of Mark I,VII,XIX mixed together!. I also deleted some video games, films, anime and television series appearing in the page which appeared in red.--SB2296 06:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


It took them a while to get .45 1911's to cycle blanks also. It seems like it would be tough to get a DE to cycle reliable with blanks. Don't know if you handled one and racked the slide. (Fucking heavy). I almost smacked myself in the face after shooting mine and then switching to a Hi-power. --Predator20 23:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to search the forum and read your Desert Eagle story. The .357 is the biggest handgun caliber I have shot. I don't go shooting with anyone else besides my dad, so I don't get to shoot anyone else guns. I'd like to shoot a .50 just for the experience. You can't trust internet gun users about gun recoil.--Predator20 23:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

No it's fine like it is, thanks though. They can click on the image and see who it belongs to. --Predator20 02:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Also I think I'm going to have a problem with a user on the Death Sentence page. He made some okay edits. But he took one of my images off the page and wrote he used different gun and renamed some of the image files so they ended not showing up. (I hope I didn't confuse you) --Predator20 02:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Desert Eagle

I'll be adding the template to the page. Can you help me with it?--SB2296 07:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Boondocks Saints 2

Oh alright, I'll leave it to you. One less thing on my to do list. I'll go work on Ninja Assassin. Excalibur01


Well I need some help cause I have no idea how to work the screen capture feature on VLC Excalibur01


Need this file deleted, uploaded it by accident, when I should have been uploading over an existing file. Thanks --Predator20 23:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC) http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:FDTD-00115.jpg

From Dusk Till Dawn

Thanks. The page wasn't really missing any screencaps, but was lacking in good ones. Also I borrowed Lucky # Slevin, so I'll check out the DE used. I think the page is incomplete so I may end up capping it. Plan on adding some caps of the missing revolvers in The Killer too.--Predator20 00:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Mods & Stuff

yeah, he was writing snarky sarcastic stuff. Sounds just like a kid. Personally I think some of our newer (foreign) members are 'young' based on their actions (and preferences). For one, I don't like spending time arguing why we should NOT have a section on suction cup arrows LOL! We always get some noob waltz in and start challenging the rules of IMFDB (Gee, why don't you guys start doing THIS instead?) Thankfully I've seen some of our experienced (and even some newer members who 'get it') step in and intervene. It's gratifying to see that we have members who follow the rules and enforce that amongst other members. :) the shoot was a mixed bag. It was really windy and stormy in the South pacific. Even though there was no rain, the wind gusts knocked me down several times. I'm only here for a few days. I leave for Rome for a shoot and then for a gig in Hong Kong. No I don't take any weapons with me ;) I only act in a paid advisory capacity. But depending on whether I can get internet access from wherever I'm at in the world, I may not be around for April-early May. We'll see. Sometimes the shoot days are so long, that I just crash at the end of the day. Anyway, I felt like I was the lone mod sometimes (but again, we have quite a few experienced standard members who are doing a good job of reigning in some of the wacky changes made by 'drive by members'. :) MoviePropMaster2008 03:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Model 733

Thank you for clarifying this for me. While we're on the subject of the M16 series, would you mind if I went ahead and phased out the older Model 715 picture and deleted it in favor of MPM's pic? It's rather redundant to have two pictures of the same weapon, especially when one is significantly higher-quality than the other. Orca1 9904 19:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The Killer

The replica HPs must have been used by the triads. There is one good view of a HP. It appears to be a Inglis, judging from the front sight and finger notch on slide. They were imported into China during WWII. Interestingly they put an A1 style birdcage flash hider on the Norinco 56. Any of the trivia stuff you learned please add to the page.--Predator20 02:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

This is during the gun buy.

Yeah I think that modified revolver may be a Taurus also. Since most of the fired revolvers are Taurus. There are some really good close ups of some of the guns. Makes iding them easy.Other than some text and one or two images that need to be uploaded over. I'm through with it.--Predator20 02:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation page

I have created some disambiguation pages,eg, M3 and Delta Force to improve page navigation in IMFDB. Considering the latter I used to hate when I typed to search the video game Delta Force when the site redirected me to the movie page Delta Force with the same name. So I am currently in the process of making disambiguation pages for pages with similar titles to make navigating pages easy. Ben41 asked me recieve the sysop's consent before undertaking this project.--SB2296 14:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we should keep the pictures in the disambiguation page atleast for the guns.--SB2296 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Lois & Clark: Tempus, Anyone?

Where did you find the Gali AR? I couldn't find it, but is this the Gali AR (the one being waved by the man in the middle) in this screeencap? - Kenny99 13:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)



Thanks for the info. I was able to find more guns and a poster of guns in that episode. - Kenny99 14:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

General Information

Shouldn't IMFDB Info - The History of M16s in Film and Television be added to GE? It's locked so reg users can't edit it.--Predator20 04:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Another thing, the purpose of the General Information category was so a glossary of firearm terms could be made up. Nobody has created one. Should it just be called Glossary or Glossary - Firearm Terms? I figure a section for gun types, action, malfunction. I'm not sure what else. --Predator20 22:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I added it to general information category. MPM didn't want anyone else messing with that page is the reason why it was protected. Probably best to change it back to that.--Predator20 00:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

What about a page for all gun related abbreviations.--SB2296 06:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


Sure. I can do that. By the way I have no idea what type of M16/AR15 they are using in Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise. Whne I was in the Army we had the M16A1, M16A2 and the M4 carbine. Truth be told I've stopped trying to follow all the different variations. So I will leave it to you or somebody else to figure out. Thanks. --Jcordell 02:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks on the M4 info. I'll get that added. As you've probably gathered over the past few months my strength is in revolvers and the older firearms. The new stuff I can identify, but all the variants leave me cold. I think I stopped paying attention around 1995. --Jcordell 02:29, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

User talk:

I hate to report this, but this user keeps creating pages with only a minimal amount of information and I'm not sure what to do. I hate to have to go and fix every page this user makes. --Ben41 22:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Andromeda Strain

Thank you for your additions to The Andromeda Strain. I plan to rent & cap this sometime in the near future, but the extra work on the page is appreciated. Orca1 9904 19:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for capping this as well. I was planning to cap it myself, but the help is again appreciated. One minor note though; the name of the M1126 APC is spelled 'Stryker', like the name, not with an I. Orca1 9904 00:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you psychic? Part deax

Again within SECONDS of me uploading a hero gun pic, you comment. Your Jedi Mind powers are starting to freak me out. I just flew back into the US this morning and I'm trying to adjust to the time zone change again. I'm also trying to fix the WWS page since I never liked the overdoing of the screencaps on that page. It held the record at one time, 36 shots of the same gun in one section. Ben41 and I am working on it since it is one of the most viewed pages on IMFDB. MoviePropMaster2008 02:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

AKs and Canucks

Those AKs built for We Were Soldiers were built in 2002, so they could not have been in anything prior to that. They were built because the filmmakers, upon learning what we all know about Type 56s, etc. opted to have tons of real milled receiver guns built for the film's authenticity. The last time I saw them, they were the same color (i.e. wood furniture) so they're pretty easy to spot. As for replacing the real AK-47 pic, I'm trying to get a pic of a real example from an Army Museum, so that we have a real Soviet one for all those film entries that were done overseas over the years. I hate those jacked Type 1-3 examples, for one they don't represent what was actually a production model and they're also readily recognizable jacked images. But since the WWS AKs had that weird wood, I wouldn't replace the other pics just yet.

BTW, I finally learned why Canadian movies and TV shows have so many Olympic Arms AR rifles ....AND?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! mpm


Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize I had put the Colt under the subgun category. I'm just going in and organizing some of the pages. I want to point out that I'm not changing any of the text or screencaps. But Heat and Ronin are some of our most viewed pages and they had different types of firearms scattered all over the page, Guess I'm just anal. --Jcordell 21:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


I will take a look again at my screenshots to see if I have them. --Ben41 16:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

nice to see you back

I'm going a little stir crazy here. A lot of the veteran mods are MIA. Good thing we have some really great vet users who are trying their best to improve the site. Hahaha. I just got the Farcry DVD but I see you already did it. :) Does that mean you're back? :)MoviePropMaster2008 21:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Armyguy277 user page

ok first of all the k4s were on the page becuse it was the clossest i could get to a C7/C8 and second WTF do you care it is my userpage --Armyguy277 20:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC) PS how do you tumb nail --Armyguy277 20:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

you da man!

Now that I have some good pics of the gun, I have some chopped Type 56 barrels lying around here. I can put a post ban Type 56 front sight and an American Krinkov Muzzle brake on it. I have a messed up AK receiver that I do parts work on. Think I should build it? Don't know what to call it since it IS a 100% gunshop custom frankengun. Do you think calling it a Fake East German MPi-AKS-74NK is appropriate? I just thought it was the closest production AK variant to that monstrosity :) MoviePropMaster2008 01:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


Need to delete this image, we already have an Inglis Hi-Power pic.--Predator20 14:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


Browning Hi-Power - 9mm

File:Armyguy277 ok thanks


I think HK21 needs its own page since it has three-four variants of its own (HK11,HK23,HK13,GR9). What do you think?--SB2296 07:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

BTW we should create a set of rules stating whether a gun should demand its own page or be redirected to another page for a gun from which the former gun was derived. Earlier there were many controversies regarding these redirects (though the FPK/PSL thing was my fault, it was actually a AK style receiver on close inspection) and these set of rules will define the place where a gun actually belongs to. For example, like the HK21 the PSG-1 is a modified G3 and happens to be in the G3 page, but it has a sub variant of its own (the MSG-90) and I believe it should have its own , separate page. And by doing this, pages like the AK-47, M16 and G3 will be brief in size too.--SB2296 07:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

New Weapons Infobox Template

I just created a ‎new weapons infobox template. Its just a modified version of the previous templates put together (since I don't know how to create one from scratch). It is only in the prototype stage and I will request help from other members, who know more about creating these templates.What do you think about the template? Should there be any new features?--SB2296 09:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Carbines, Repeating Rifles

I'm getting confused with repeating rifles and carbines and I am having trouble sorting out repeating rifles and carbines in Lois & Clark. Here's some questions I have:

  • 1. Should carbines and lever-action repeating rifles go in the rifle section?
  • 2. Are semi-auto carbines like the Ruger Mini-14 considered as rifles or assault rifles?
  • 3. Are carbines the same as rifles?

I hope I'll be able to sort them out once I find out about carbines and lever-action repeating rifles. - Kenny99 22:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


I just created a separate page for the HK LMGs- [1] As for the template, I'm trying to take the extra space in consideration and add more IMFDB specific content to it.--SB2296 09:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Delete list










Sorry about the long list. I use to upload over existing caps, but when there are several contributors and they label differently. It's more trouble than it's worth to sort.--Predator20 15:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Real-Time Strategy Computer Games Allowed?

I was wondering if strategy games are allowed. There are some that have real weapons (such as Company of Heroes, which I'll try to do) and players can just zoom in to get good shots of the guns. - Kenny99 00:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Lethal Weapon S&W

I was looking at the Lethal Weapon 2 page not long ago and saw that the S&W was changed from a 5906 to a 659. I don't remember where I saw it (one of the discussion pages I think) but someone had wrote that the 5906 in Lethal Weapon 2 couldn't be possible at that time period so it had to be a 659. And then, seeing as Murtaugh used what I think was the same gun in Lethal Weapon 3, that's why I thought it was a 659. But seeing as you've just provided better evidence, I'll change it back lol. My mistake. -Gunman69 18:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Should I have blocked this guy?

He's an anonymous IP address and all he did was slowly, bit by bit, delete the entire discussion page of the VG. It struck me as weird, but I could be tired and cranky so I thought I would asked a few other Mods to see if I overreacted. I can always life the ban. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/ MoviePropMaster2008 03:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

delete page


Someone started this talk page and had Russian language in it, I cleared it. But still needs to be deleted. --Predator20 01:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

SIG cont.

I checked that SIG out at the gun shop again. They had dropped the price from $600 to $570. But after looking over it better, all over the nickel slide, tiny spots of the finish are missing. Pretty poor gun. They have an all black one a little cheaper but it wasn't much better.

I found one on gun broker I really like for $575. Here is the description "Sig P220, West German Manuf. This Sig has been refinished by, CCR / Cummings Custom Refinish. There are no issues and was in Excellent Condition prior to Refinish as it is now, low round count and all Orginal factory parts."



It's technically reverse two-tone by SIG standards, but norm for others. It's a $160 for the refinish job, not to mention shipping. --Predator20 18:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I've bought a few older guns off GB and I haven't had any problems. (knock on wood) Generally if the gun was really beat up prior to refinishing, it would still show. Also the grips should actually be the checkered style right? --Predator20 15:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

The all black P220 at the gun shop had Hogue finger groove grips, they were much too big for me. The two-tone had the pebble grain and it felt just right. The non finger groove Hogue's may be okay. A few hours before the two-tone SIG above goes out, there's an all black West German one with factory box, papers and two mags. It's in very good condition. It's at $350 right now, I may try to get it, depends on how crazy the bidding gets. --Predator20 01:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Well it looks like I'll be the two-tone SIG owner. I got into a bidding war with the black one above. Bowed out at $475 (it was back and forth). I figure the extra $100 on the two-tone would be worth it. Even if it didn't come with extra mag and box.--Predator20 22:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
No prob on getting back to me. I like the two-tone much much better too. But I figured if I could have saved a 100 bucks or more, it would have been nice. But after getting outbid the last time on the black one, I was relieved --Predator20 23:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

This user

Check out what this user did to the MAC-10 page, I reverted his edits. Not sure what the punishment should be.--Predator20 23:17, 25 June 2010 (UTC) http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/

Crossing Over

Thanks for doing this page. I was going to do this page, and I started doing some screencaps, but I never got back to it. I just uploaded the pics I already had done, but you can go ahead and do the rest. --Ben41 22:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have the DVD anymore, and that's all the ones I got to. --Ben41 22:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)



Thanks--Predator20 01:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Dear Wendy

Why did you delete Dear Wendy? That was work in progress, I was still doing the screencaps and now the page is gone! Great, now you really killed my effort. Next time, just wait one single day!


Any idea what these are? I usually go by the front sight to see whether it's hooded or not. But I can't tell. Also my SIG shipped yesterday, maybe it'll arrive by Fri.--Predator20 19:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


Here are some full screen shots. If they can't be identified then no biggie. Thanks for the help.--Predator20 02:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Appreciate the help.

Also my SIG was supposed to be delivered Thurs. but my FFL guy wasn't there to sign for it, I guess. (gun transfers are a side business for him). So I probably won't be able to see it until Mon. to start the transfer. I hope it at least gets redelivered today. --Predator20 14:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Spades of Columbia

Spades of Columbia I think this guy intended to make a user page. But made an actual page instead. --Predator20 18:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I Love movie and know guns, but i am ignorant on computer codes and what not. I'm learning or at least trying to.--Spades of Columbia 00:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


The SIG got redelivered yesterday. Funny thing, it came from NC. I hope I get to look at tomorrow. Have a happy 4th too. --Predator20 23:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

22 AKs

Nope there were a bunch, the ones imported by Mitchell Arms, I think, were the Armscorp ones made in the Philippines, and they looked like crap. Or the Italian Armi-Jager ones, also imported. Regardless, only the .22LR guns had that style of forearm. As for the Hudsons, I would demand proof of your assertion. I have every Hudson imported from the late 1970s on. They all look the same and they don't look anything like that. :) MoviePropMaster2008 17:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC) (BTW, I'm typing this with no sleep so if I sound insane, forget it) You know what? I think they're the .22 style AKs with other types of mags jammed in.

delete list


From the trailer.






I told the guy who uploaded the 5 above, to upload jpgs in the future, he offered to re-upload these as jpgs.

Also I get to pick up the SIG Thurs. It's one sexy gun. I'm not sure if its even be fired after the refinish, unless the finish from CCR is really that good.--Predator20 01:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

delete tag

How do I do it? --Predator20 21:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Got it thanks.

There's also the unused file section. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:UnusedImages --Predator20 21:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Daewoo Paratrooper

I moved your comment to the discussion page. Thank you for the help! --Milkovich 11:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Limited Time offer

To only the most TRUSTED IMFDB fellow mods! ;) lOL. If you have a 'wish list' for pics you think the site needs desperately, shoot me a list. I've been busy, but I got a STACK of guns that I haven't photographed yet, including a WASR-3 that looks EXACTLY like Sascha Robey's gun, and a BUNCH of just general replacement pics. But I was thinking you might have a list that you really wanted. this is a limited time offer! :D The only problem with getting some of the BIG armory guns is that the guys really don't like it when I bother them to snap pics when they're neck deep in a big movie production. Gotta tread lightly there. :) On the photo front, I've 'fixed and cleaned up' some guns (and those are the ones I don't put the copyright disclaimer on so you know that I'm just cleaning up jacked images). Hope your summer is going well. :) MoviePropMaster2008 04:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Predators Guns

Hey Matt, The guns for Predators was supplied by ISS. I made the muzzle attachments on the Beretta 92 and the HK. Also made the mount on the AA-12 for the surefire grip/light. - Steve

Transformers 3

Okay. I was SNOOKERED. Apparently this member LIAM who is moviemaster1993 is a fanboy who created the facebook page himself, even though the page says the "OFFICIAL" transformers 3 facebook page, thus falsely implying that it is sanctioned by the studio. NOT being a sanctioned facebook page, immediately makes it suspect in my eyes and I vote for deletion. These behind the scenes photos were NOT released by the studio. They were personally taken by people on set and 'leaked'. The only reason why I did not ban it immediately was because I thought it was an officially facebook sanctioned page. It is not. We can get into serious trouble if studio lawyers all of a sudden get pissed at IMFDB and start sending us 'cease and desist' letters to 'remove' all of our screencaps. That would spell the END Of IMFDB. All because of one fanboy idiot. But I wonder what you think about the matter "No Harm done?" or "delete" ? MoviePropMaster2008 05:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

public enemies?

You never disclosed that anything was wrong, so this reference to an 'incident' is a mystery to me.MoviePropMaster2008 03:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Screen used gun?

Is this the screen used gun from Public Enemies?--Predator20 18:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I did a search earlier. I think it came from this site. http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/tag/pistol/ --Predator20 23:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Well I think Kilgore thought it was Dillinger's actual pistol not the screen used gun. It fucking blows you can't put the screen guns on the site. --Predator20 23:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Public Enemies

Here is the link[2] . Kilgore 00:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

You're Welcome. And I already know that it was not Dillenger's Gun after doing some research, but I don't really care because I'll never be able to use it. - Kilgore 00:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Willis Beretta

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DH3-Beretta92FS.jpg Didn't I replace this already? Or is this another version I missed? Help out my crappy memory. ;) MoviePropMaster2008 17:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

RE: Admin

Yeah sounds good, thanks. Another user I'd recommend is User:Jcordell. --Predator20 01:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Got admin rights now. I just want to say thanks again for the recommendation. --Predator20 16:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Another RE: Admin

Sure thing. Very flattering. Thanks.--Jcordell 01:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Great. Looking forward to it. Now I'll have something new to learn. And now I can create a category for Australian movies. --Jcordell 02:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Also I think Ben41 would be a good addition. He and I have been working together on several pages the last few weeks and he seems like a good guy. --Jcordell 02:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendation. --Ben41 03:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

PNG images

You can delete the PNG images I uploaded now.

50px 50px 50px 50px 50px 50px

--ScratteLover 14:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Image name syntax

I think we should better make it mandatory for all the names of the screenshot images being uploaded to IMFDB to have a proper syntax, bearing both the movie/television series/game's name and the guns name. Just check out today's recent changes you will a couple of images bearing names such as 'Blaser R93','UMP' and 'G36C', but in fact they are screenshots. I believe that a proper syntax will group common screenshots together and will not club with a gun image bearing the same name.--SB2296 16:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we should make it a rule and display it in bold letters in the upload file page as well.--SB2296 15:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, couldn't reply earlier as I was too busy with CODBO. Yeah, that's fine. As I said earlier we should put a note of it in the upload file page as well (isn't Bunni the only one who can do this?). BTW we already have rule-breaker with EliteCrew.--SB2296 16:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Image:M1917 Enfield Rifle - .30-06.JPG

Originally I was trying to upload this as new version of Image:M1917enfield.jpg and I messed up and uploaded it as a seperate image. Can you delete it at once. Thanks. Also, when I uploaded as a new version of Image:M1917enfield.jpg, it showed it as the old version of picture. I was never good at uploading new versions of pictures. - Kilgore 21:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Help me out on House of the Dead

What would you say this is? :D


Any good guess would help me. My brain is firing out of sync for some reason when I look at these screencaps! ;) MoviePropMaster2008 02:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

CW and Die hard with a Vengeance

From what I remember, CW purchased the guns from WS when they were done. There is a lot of internal selling and swapping going on, but only between guys who are friendly with each other. :) Now I annoy everyone ;P LOL but I do loan out stuff to other armories who are short of stuff. :D MoviePropMaster2008 05:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Type 56

I was reading the list of your weapons and noticed you mentioned your Type 56 was "Pre-Ban". Just out of curiosity, are you reffering to the ban on imported Chinese weapons or the ban on automatic weapons? At first I assumed the former but then I realized I've never seen a semi-automatic only Type 56 (not that I have anywhere near enough experience for that to indicate they don't exist). -Anonymous


Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were talking about the import ban but wasn't sure. In addition to the assult weapons import ban I think there was another ban that prevents any weapons, including sporting arms like the Norinco coppy of the Winchester 1887, from being imported from China. I would have to double check that information though. -Anonymous


What did he do this time?--Alienqueen11 03:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Axeman and Lost images

On the Lost page, the user Axeman keeps reverting the screencaps back to originals he put up. Axeman's images weren't cropped and were too dark. I put up a comparison of his images next to mine on the Lost Discussion page. I think mine would be preferable, but I want to get some other opinions. --Ben41 22:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

POI again


I went ahead and banned him, you should look at what he said on the Bond talk page, he should have went to you first and made his plea.--Predator20 12:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Now that I have Nickel M1911s

What grips do you want me to photograph them with? :) MoviePropMaster2008 19:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

gun discussions

Thanks for making that thread. Unless it has to do with the actual page itself shouldn't the discussions be deleted? Like in Talk:M1911 pistol series there's two sections "Versus modern pistols" & "Controversy igniter" while it has do with 1911 and isn't a hate discussion, but they're not related to actual page. IMFDB isn't guntalk. --Predator20 20:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind an intelligent discussion, but the problem with it being on the wiki instead of the forums. Some users don't sign their post so you have no idea who's saying what, unless you check the history. Another user change someone else's post wayy too easily. With the forum you can reply with quote so you know which comment was directed to whom. We have much more control on the forums when it comes to discussions, which is its main purpose.--Predator20 13:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding a Mod's removal of a trivia section

I have contested Orca's removal of the Canadian dogtags trivia from the X2: X-Men United page citing the rules standards and principles and here is a direct quote from the Rules, Standards and Principles page:

  • Trivia related Images: Exceptions are trivia shots, but Trivia sections should be kept to a minimum and should be of general interest to movie buffs and not just re-iterate information that is on the DVD commentary. Acceptable trivia can mention military aircraft, vehicles and equipment in a film or television show or generally unknown information about a show or video game that is weapons related in nature, however small amounts of general trivia that is related to the scene is acceptable.

Orca removed it because it is "Not Gun Related" even though the rules allow for small bits of trivia esp. if they are military related. I am forwarding this you because I have messaged Orca, and he has yet to respond even though I messaged him a couple days ago.

--AdAstra2009 18:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)



Don't know what to think of it. --Predator20 14:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Did you see this?


Ben sent this to MPM, it's quite an extensive list. Not all of it seems like it would be correct like a Desert Eagle is listed as being used in Predator (which they did), but also The Deer Hunter. It wasn't even around yet. But in some, it could be useful, like it says a Glock 21 was used in Eraser instead of G17 that we have listed. It also had the shotgun he used but the folding stock is gone. --Predator20 03:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Another thing I didn't get, both the DE's shown had 14" barrels, I've never seen one used in a film. (Always the standard 6", would be cool if they did.) In Predator and Extreme Prejudice they both had DE's but neither showed them with those barrels. I guess the frames and slides were used in the film but the barrels changed out. Also the G21 in Eraser has the dummy suppressor used so that's probably correct. I scanned through most of it, I would guess 80% to 90% is probably correct. --Predator20 05:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
hmmm.. I haven't seen Eraser in a while. Was the scene of him loading the gun an insert shot? That may have been the reason for the different Glocks, but they all look alike to me anyway :). I stopped in my local gun shop yesterday and handled a Gen2 G21 and Springfield XDM .45. The XDM while it felt slide heavy it had so much better of a grip than the Glock. I'm not sure if the SF version and Gen4 would be much of an improvement. I hate to even stop in there, there is always something I want to get. They have S&W 1911 Commander I really really want. Thinking about trading in the DE and Para to get it, I'm tired of those guns. --Predator20 17:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

M1911A1 disclaimer

I'm thinking about adding this to the M1911A1 section. LMK what you think. I'm not really satisfied with the wording.

Note many in the list below could actually be Colt Mark IV Series 70/80 Government Models, Springfield Armory, or another manufacturer. Instead of a former military issued M1911A1, unless its a war film. Since the markings of the gun aren't always clear, M1911A1 is a catch-all term. Being most 1911 manufacturers pistols are based off the M1911A1 platform.

--Predator20 22:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Usually we can spot the Model B. but they could slip by. The Mark IV Series 70 in 9mm while it was available they aren't all that common, I very rarely see them come up for sale. (maybe the armories bought them all). Also while it's hard to do because of the breech face, a .45 can be converted to 9mm. Maybe with a blank conversion it's very common. Because they are doing all kinds of filing down and such. This is from the Cobra talk page. "I would say that it's one of Stembridge 9mm conversions of a Colt Series 70 Cold Cup. I have seen some of there barrels in the junk bin as they converted 45 to 9mm. I will check it out tomorrow the 18th and get back to you.- Phoenixent" A lot of them being chambered or converted to 9mm sounds like good mention. But when did actual .45 1911's become reliable with blanks? --Predator20 04:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I remember MPM saying they often borrow from each other, so certain rare variants may come from specific armories. Looking at the Stembridge auction list, in Magnum P.I. and Blues Brothers they used 9mm Series 70, while a lot of Seagal films had .45 Series 70. So I guess it wasn't until the mid to late 80s .45s were reliable enough to be used. In the auction list there was also several Series 80 9mm that weren't converted to blanks (I guess future conversions). I'm going to ask Phoenixent what was the most common 1911 model in Stembridge's inventory. --Predator20 22:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Steve gave me a bunch of useful info. I'm going to use that disclaimer as I have it written, then expand on it later with the 9mm stuff. --Predator20 20:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Should we just use the summary Steve made? Maybe take out just the info the regarding Stembridge's inventory. Somethings could be reworded but we would have to ask to Steve if that's okay with him. --Predator20 02:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I reworded was the 45 to 9mm conversion and took out the info about Stembridge. --Predator20 02:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

In early gangster films Colt 1911's were not converted to blanks but were still live fire weapons. This was before live rounds were prohibited on film sets. The 1911's and 1911a1 are a delayed blow back weapon and were more difficult to convert than the straight blow back pistol like the Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless. The .45 ACP blanks were made from a cut down .30-06 cartridge and were mainly used in the Colt Thompson Submachine Guns but the 1911 had some issues due to the hard rifle primers. So most 1911 and 1911A1's used in films prior to 1950 fired only one shot since they were not converted to blanks or a mock up 1911 that has a small revolver inside an aluminum shroud to stand in for a 1911 when firing multiple rounds. About 1950 the Star Model B was brought in to the US for sale and several studios and armories purchased these since 9mm blanks worked and a conversion on a delayed blow back weapon was developed. From 1950 through the mid 80's the Star Model B, Colt 9mm and Colt .38 Supers with a 9mm barrel were used. Around 1985 a new .45 blank cartridge was developed that used a large pistol primer allowing the armories to activate their 1911's to fire reliably. Conversions from .45 to 9mm were tried prior to this but had problems due to the larger breach face in the 45 slide compared to the 9mm slide. The rentals of 9mm 1911 pistol have slowed down since the .45 came on line but they still go out on shows when a Propmaster wants to limit the amount of different blanks on set.

Alright check the rewording. --Predator20 04:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand

I apologize if I offended you, but I've seen MANY pages that have witty remarks on them, and saying "Rulers are SO 1950's" I don't consider offensive. I have written comments like this before, and no one ever cared. Again, I'm sorry, but I'd appreciate an explaination of why it was "Vandalism". --Glock172 05:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Golden closet credit for Scarface shotgun

Curious as to why we credited them when we really don't have any of their stuff on the page (i.e. the photos of the Zebala shotgun). Those are all mine. I thought we credited them and made links for them when we used their photos. MoviePropMaster2008 19:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the stupid anon, IMFDB tends to log me out mysteriously when I'm typing. You were right to assume that since no other person would claim that the photos on the page were theirs.MoviePropMaster2008 19:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you going to answer my question or not? There is a notation about the shotgun "This exact weapon was also rented to film and television productions prior to and after the release of Scarface." but no other information is offered. GC's website doesn't list any other credits. Also the tribute to GC is listed twice. Once on the paragraph and again on my photograph. This portrays the erroneous impression that they provided the photograph. I am removing this section (blurb on the photo). Also the impression is that they are the only ones to document the screen usage of the gun, which again is untrue. we can list a link to their auction, but they really did nothing other than offer additional documentation on the weapons we already had on the page. MoviePropMaster2008 07:34, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Tricky wording

Well you don't want to overpander to GC. The wording sounds like you're giving them credit for my work which as you know, can cause problems. I intend to do some editing of those sections which are overtly offensive if it's alright with you. MPM


I added the a to z function to it, but it's not centered, any ideas?--Predator20 16:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Also it works for all pages not just movies. I'm not sure how to create a new one that works for films only.--Predator20 16:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The Movies Guns Actors etc is okay, but the alpha list isn't for some reason. Maybe it's the computer? I took the a to z list from the main page which is centered for me. I don't know, I'm not worried about it too much, an anonymous user wanted the list there. Also have you talked to Chris about all the spammers on the forum?--Predator20 17:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I logged out and it's fine! Do you see the advertisements when you're logged in? I don't, I thought I was missing out when y'all when talking about them and I didn't see them.--Predator20 17:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Yep that's what I was talking about and you do see the ads. Go to your preferences (beside your talk page) and change the skin to modern. Instead of your stuff being on the left it will be on the right, might take out the ads too. I never see any ads when I'm logged in. --Predator20 17:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I messed up I meant to say your user page, talk etc instead of being on the right it will be on the left. (Typing and thinking at the same time is hard for me) Even though you don't have the IMFDB logo. I have used the modern skin for the longest time. --Predator20 17:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

AK buying

It will be a few months away, but figured I would go ahead and nag ya. (I just bought two Korean 75 round drums that were one sale for $50 apiece from AIM, so I have got to get one to make the drums worthwhile) You said the Chinese Poly Techs are great and I think it was the Hungarian's too? Used or new doesn't really matter. I didn't want to spend more than $800. But if the right one came along I could see spending a little more. This one on gunbroker looked great, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=205633083 What about the Norinco's? Besides the Arsenal Saiga are there any in current production worth looking at? --Predator20 17:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

cont... Alright I did a bit of searching on prices. Whoever listed that Polytech Legend for a 1k, fucked up. Most list at 2k or close to it. In the book of gun values they list the standard Poly's at $1300 (100% condition), the Legend at $1900. I don't really care whether it's milled or stamped, but fuck that was a good deal.--Predator20 22:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
No that wasn't me sadly. I was searching completed auctions and that one came up, it sold at the beginning of Dec. I have gotten a few good deals, but I'm never that lucky. My username on GB is Predator20 also. Yours is a Legend but has the the stamped receiver? I'm just reading from the Gun Values book it says the Poly Tech AKS is the semi-auto version of the Chinese AKM (Type 56), while the Legend is the semi-auto version of the original AK-47 which I thought meant milled only.
Yes it's amazing what banning a firearm can do to prices, the PT's last MSR was $400 and $550, but that was 20 years ago. All the current PT prices on gunbroker seem out of line, of course that's because of that one above. It will a few months before I'm able to get one. Unless that super great deal comes along. Even though there are plenty of cheap ones around, I'd rather spend the few extra dollars and get better quality. --Predator20 02:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

AKMS vs Norinco

How many times are you going to change that page back? :) That slant muzzle brake throws people off, if I was you I'd tell Ben. --Predator20 04:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I have corrected him a few times on 1911s, particularly the Low Down Dirty Shame page. AKs are your bag. As much work as he does he deserves a little slack.

Also even though I heard good things about the Russian Arsenal AKs, a guy on youtube did a video on one, he couldn't swap parts from his WASR and other AK onto it. So Arsenal made them so you would have to buy their parts, forget all that.--Predator20 22:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Norinco Type 56 section

Should we add a note saying the Type 56 was originally manufactured with a milled receiver, since we don't have a pic of one? A lot of the Vietnam films with Norinco's generally have the milled. Platoon, Uncommon Valor, Good Morning Vietnam.

A VC Guerrilla trains his AK-47 on 'Doc' Jordan (Austin Farwell), giving us a good look at the muzzle and forward stock that confirms it as an AK, rather then the Chinese variant, the Norinco Type 56.

Isn't that a Type 56 above? the front sight looks hooded.--Predator20 17:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hacker's shotguns

I don't think those are 870s.--Predator20 07:25, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

Smith & Wesson 3000 shotgun - 12 Gauge.
The bolt doesn't look rounded like the 870s, the forend reminds me of the Smith & Wesson 3000. Which are close to the 870.
An Agent with a Remington 870 tries to restrain Joey when he tries to stop another Agent from taking away "Lucy" (his computer).
Hatsan Escort Guard Shotgun (standard finish) - 16 gauge (Brown Synthetic Stock)
This one has an extended tube, but it looks to be one piece (like they way Ithaca's are). 870s with tube extensions are always two piece, at least that's the way they are on the 12 gauge models. This doesn't look like a 12 gauge so that could be it.
edit I think it could be a Hatsan, not sure if the earlier models had an unsupported tube. --Predator20 08:16, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

Hackers Black screen?

For some reason, the following screenshot comes up as a black screen. It was a screenshot showing the M16SP1 from the movie Hackers. --Ben41 07:41, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

The Secret Service enters Grand Central Station, as seen from above. The SWAT officer circled in red appears to have an early M16 (recognizable by the "slab side" receiver), instead of the M16A1s and M16A2s used by the others.
Man I tried to re-upload this. To see what I would get. I get this warning message repeated several times. "Warning: imagesx(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/imfdb/public_html/w/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 231" Something about that image this site doesn't like.--Predator20 13:14, 7 April 2011 (CDT)

Street Kings/Dark Blue 1911

I think it's the same one, (all the features match anyway), I figured the guy who uploaded it would put it on the Street Kings page. Also a South African armourer signed up on the site. Lance Peters, he's going to get some pics of the modified Vektor R5's mocked up like AK's. --Predator20 21:19, 12 April 2011 (CDT)

Forum topic

I'm waiting for approval to post on the forums, and I don't think Burt has quite explained what he's doing: he opposes the use of the term "RPG" to describe anything but RPG-X weapons, because he thinks you should only read it as the Russian meaning rather than the more common "rocket propelled grenade" (which I'm fairly sure the US Army would have some issues with, since they call projectiles and launchers RPGs all the time). He's therefore removing all references to the Type 69 or its projectiles being RPGs, which isn't correct. While you might not always say "Norinco type 56 assault rifle" you wouldn't remove the words "assault rifle" from a caption because it was wrong. Evil Tim 22:41, 13 April 2011 (CDT)

    • Nope, I still get the "Evil Tim, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:" box come up when I try to post. Also, I screencapped Black at last; I've got a new capture device that lets me record video good enough to actually use for capturing from rather than having to stick with the rather grainy stuff I had to settle with for Dark Sector. This means that all those console games nobody has the equipment to screencap can have pictures. Well, all the ones I own / can sensibly get hold of, at least. :D Evil Tim 09:30, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

MP-25 image

Is that your personal Raven Arms MP25 image? I was just asking in that it looks rather horrible (not the image quality but the condition of the firearm! LOL! :) ) That's a really beat up gun! hahahaha. I was going to photograph a pristine MP-25 that I found in inventory. But I wanted to check first. MoviePropMaster2008 22:03, 3 May 2011 (CDT)

hahahaha, I was WONDERING if you went over to the DARK SIDE and started liking those 'cool' gangsta pistols that all the MS-13 dudes carry in their pants falling down around their butts! LOL! Holy CRAP! That's a beat up gun! What are those NY productions doing over there?! LOL MoviePropMaster2008 22:24, 3 May 2011 (CDT)

Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock

You had mentioned in the forums a while back that you had a picture of a Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock that was used in Pirates of the Caribbean films, but you didn't put it up because the page kept being deleted. Is it possible that you can post it now? Thanks.

--Ben41 20:55, 1 June 2011 (CDT)

Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock Pistol

Thanks. I'll be putting this on the page. You wouldn't happen to know which Pirates movie it was used in? --Ben41 00:21, 2 June 2011 (CDT)

Readcted Discussion.

Hi Thanks for the comment on my profile explaining your removal of my discussion on Redacted. The removal of the entire discussion proved unquestionably for me what I was fearing most and trying to prevent on this site. I am sure you are smart enough to deduce what that thing is for people like me - whatever you wish to call us.

I was originally planning to leave this site with a much nastier rant about all you people and what I predict for you and this site in the near future. However, there is enough nastyness and hate in the world, so the best way to go is witha good note.

I will try to close my account here, and I wont bother going to any forum to argue with any of you. Can I please finally ask you to please close my account for me if I don't manage to do it myself (I am by far no computer or tech wizard).

Goodbye mate, and take care of yourself. Tec-9 16:02, 8 June 2011 (CDT)

Hi again. Did end up coming back on this site to check if my account is closed or not, and yeah did manage to read your message and here I am responding to it. I can argue against everything you said, but it will definately be a waste of my time and probably your too. Regarding 'what I fear most and trying to stop on this site', I was refering to a fusion of ignorance, extremism and censorship. I'm sure you'll disagree, but that is just my viewpoint. My English is actually quite good, I just guessed you'd figure it out without the need for me to explicitly state it.
I am also not quite sure what you mean by a "martyr complex", I have no desire to die for anything or making a martyrdom out of being banned from this website. That would be downright laughable, as I have quite openly requested for my account to be closed, rather than being banned for speaking my "radical leftist" viewpoint. Besides which, even if I was that indignant as to claim I've been banned for political reasons, who would really care, and how can something so insignificant on the world wide web make any difference to this site.
So again I request that can you please close down my account or ban me on request. Alternatively, I guess I'll just change my password to something really long that I wont remmeber and logging out.
Either way, goodbye and take care of yourself.
Peace. Tec-9 10:48, 9 June 2011 (CDT)


Yes, I was planning on doing it, was there any shots in particular you wanted to add? I took the M134 minigun entry because I couldn't find a shot of it. I'm going to be uploading it tonight. Ben

If you think there's any other screenshots to add, then go ahead. --Ben41 15:05, 15 June 2011 (CDT)

HBK edits

All I'm doing is cleaning up links, I don't see what the big problem is? TheHeartbreakKid15 16:03, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

I know I don't have to do it, I just thought it would be better to have direct links rather than redirecting. Besides I don't see it as a waste of time, personally, as it's helping out one of my most visited websites :) TheHeartbreakKid15 18:17, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

He's doing it again. I wouldn't even say anything but this is starting to annoy me, along with other things. Anyway, I left him a message but I figure you should know also of course. StanTheMan 12:49, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

Ultimate Force

Don't worry, am going to add descriptions, gun links/photos and captions, just wanted to add all the screencaps first so I had a frame to work on (have finished this now, so just about to start on the rest). As for the order of the guns, I did them chronologically (preferred this as it means it is easier to use the page to ID unknown guns IMO). In your opinion should it be alphabetical then, and is there any official rule/guideline on this?

As for the length, I personally far prefer pages for the whole series rather than splitting it into seasons, and believe that on the whole it is far more user friendly than split into seasons. (This is why I put the guns in each category chronologically rather than alphabetically.) Being a Stargate fan I am sometimes frustrated by the new layout, in particular if I am on a gun page and want to see pics of it being used and the link just redirects me to the root SG1 page, and am left guessing what season to click. What exactly is the IMFDB policy on length of pages (couldn't find anything about it on the rules page), as assumed this would be an ok length as it has a smaller number of guns than other unsplit pages on the site. However, I suppose if it is against the policy, I'll split it up.

Also, while I'm here is it against the rules to create a gun page for a gun that will likely have only one appearance? I found a BMS Snicam while doing this page and don't like it being unlinked, but I highly doubt there will ever be another production with one (or any of the Milcam variants) in.--commando552 19:53, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

Dark Angel

Actualy, i only have Season 2 on DVD. I bought it because the local library only had Season 1 on DVD. However, I will get the DVDs from the library soon. I the mean time, I'll put those pictires you sent me on the Dark Angel page, to be replaced when I get the DVD from the library.--Mandolin 10:56, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

The Hurt Locker and user captain america

We had changed the protection level to mods only because he keep removing the comment about the 9mm vs 40. We downgraded it to allow users for a while now and it's been fine. Today he removed it again for the third time. What should we do about him?--Predator20 22:34, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

My Activation

Oh MT2008, can you please add me to the imfdb forum. :) - Mr. Wolf 03:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

Can't register on forum


Whenever I try to register on forum with the same e-mail I use on IMFDB, I get the message: "The administrator has banned your email address. To contact the administrator click here". So I contacted the administrator and waited for a couple of days but nothing happened. One of IMFDB members directed me to you to ask for help. Can my problem be resolved? --Masterius 06:05, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

Gun handling

Are you sure??? I have seen many comments about the gun handling in movies because it refers to the use of the firearms int the movie. I think that IMFDB would be boring if we simply listed the firearms and did not connect how they are used to the story. For example: on the Terminator Two page, I mentioned that Sarah shows excellent gun handling due to her preparation for judgement day.

No problemo!--Yo dawg 111 15:50, 19 October 2011 (CDT)

Weapon Naming Question


I wanted to inquire about one standard that is absent from Rules, Standards and Principles page. The weapon naming. If the weapon was called incorrectly in the first place, is it allowable for users to change it to correct one, provided they provide serious sources (that is, not some unsourced Wikipedian stub)?

An example of such weapon is SVU (incorrectly called 'SVU Dragunov', as I was explaining on the corresponding talk page. --Masterius 10:10, 11 November 2011 (CST)

Two Tone Sig Sauer P228.jpg

Why did you revert that, exactly? Commando552's image seems higher quality, the one you reverted to is very jagged around the bottom where the background was edited out. Evil Tim 05:49, 15 November 2011 (CST)

Correct Dates

Thanks for the heads up. Any help from fellow admins would be helpful in keeping the site correct. --Ben41 01:30, 26 November 2011 (CST)

In the future, I'll try to keep accurate dates on the pages I make, but I'm a little perplexed about why you've harped on me for some relatively minor mistakes. I do understand that accuracy is of utmost importance on this site, but since I've been trying to update and clean up a lot of the site, accidents are bound to occur. If you found some inaccuracies in my edits, then I accept getting a heads up about it, but I don't believe I deserve what seems to me a relatively harsh response. You're making me feel a little bit discouraged about doing anything for this site. --Ben41 18:41, 21 January 2012 (CST)

Heckler and Koch

Can i ask why you deleted the page that i created?--Zackmann08 00:12, 24 December 2011 (CST)

It seemed like people really liked the idea in the main discussion... (here). --Zackmann08 00:24, 24 December 2011 (CST)
Thanks for explaining. I responded to your post in the main discussion but I just want to say again to you directly that I am really not trying to be the guy who comes in and changes everything. I know how annoying it can be when you've been working on something for months and years and some hot-headed know-it-all comes in and tries to change everything. I hope you know that that is NOT what I am trying to do. I try my best to know my place around here and I respect the judgement and far superior knowledge of my superiors/elders (not just the admins but those who clearly know more about guns then I do). I am not simply kissing ass when I say that this is an awesome thing you got going here. I really hope to contribute to this website for years to come. Hope you have a very Merry Christmas/Happy Chanukah. --Zackmann08 09:25, 24 December 2011 (CST)

It's all good! Look forward to the discussion. --Zackmann08 10:13, 24 December 2011 (CST)

Hey man. First off, happy new year. Second, I wanted to see what your thought of the gun brand pages now that they have been up for a few weeks... --Zackmann08 10:48, 3 January 2012 (CST)


For what its worth I wanted to let you know that TheHeartbreakKid15 is back to editing redirect links. I looked at his user talk and noticed that you and other admins had asked him multiple times to stop. I have to agree with you. I've been fixing a lot of these lately and it is particularly problematic because if a page is moved you cant simply change the redirects, you have to go change the individual pages that this guy is messing up. --Zackmann08 11:24, 6 February 2012 (CST)

OMG! He did it again... He just did all the CSI pages... I'm undoing his edits but WTF?! How many times has he been told not to? --Zackmann08 21:05, 21 February 2012 (CST)


Thanks for the pointers on identifying SIGs. That will definitely come in handy. :-) --Zackmann08 13:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

CSI: NY - Season 6

Hey. Just out of curiosity why did you undo my edit to CSI: NY - Season 6? I thought the image I used better represented the gun in question... --Zackmann08 22:22, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

*hangs head*... and THAT is why I am still a self-proclaimed novice... That was exactly why I thought it was a better image but you are, of course, correct. Sorry if I came across the wrong way, I was honestly just trying to understand what I did wrong. :-) --Zackmann08 22:41, 20 March 2012 (CDT)
As someone still learning about how the movie prop business, it amazes me that the same gun that was used by Martin Laurence in Bad Boys II, gets used by some random thug in CSI: NY. Pretty cool. Speaking of ISS, is that who MPM works for?? Does anyone actually know or is that a secret? --Zackmann08 23:10, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

By the way, while I'm talking to ya, any chance you can add the following to the Category:Gun page? It'd be great to have all the subcategories listed on the front of the page. I'd do it but the page is locked. --Zackmann08 23:22, 20 March 2012 (CDT)


Would you be willing to lift the restriction on the page? It seems unnecessary any way but I am almost certain I know how to make it work and you can always re-lock the page after I try. I promise I wont mess anything up. :-) --Zackmann08 15:09, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Thanks! Done. Hows that look? --Zackmann08 15:32, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Glock 19

The filename "Glock19" should be a picture of the Glock 19 instead of a screenshot. That Glock picture was your picture. I'm always writing the code from memory for the weapons and would rather have something with that filename. Whatever. --Ben41 23:45, 30 March 2012 (CDT)

I need you or another admins help, my other account was blocked wrongfully.

Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with an issue I am having. Admin "Evil Tim" blocked me for no reason thinking I was some guy named "Burt", which I am not, my name is Danny. I tryed to contact him about it on my blocked account "Glock17gen4", but it wouldnt let me so I'm forced to use this account I made. I tryed to contact him and I have no received a reply, I think he is ignoring the msg or something. I was wondering if you could help and unblock my other account, thanks. SaferSephiroth 16:24, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

DX4 Vaporizer

Hey man, I saw on the CSI: Miami page that you apparently have pictures of the DX4 Vaporizer? I'm about to add it to the CSI: Miami - Season 6 page and any pictures would be most appreciated. Thanks! --Zackmann08 00:03, 12 April 2012 (CDT)


Hey. So first off, a disclaimer, I am posting the following message for each of the Admins so don't think I'm spamming. Just want to get input from all of you. I have been working on a number of infoboxes for different pages (Template:Infobox Movie, Template:Infobox TV, Template:Infobox Video Game). I have already gotten some help from Bunni who installed an additional add-on to facilitate the templates. I would love to get some feedback from you (and other admins) regarding these. Do you like the format? Are there things you would like changed? Should additional information be added? The nice thing is that with the add-on that Bunni installed, you do not have to provide all the information for the infobox. Any variables left blank will simply not be printed.

Finally, I would like to see how you feel about my adding these to pages. I have gotten positive feedback from a number of users (including at least 3 admins) but before I add this to more than a dozen or so pages (which I have done for testing purposes) I want to really get full permission. I know that sweeping changes are a MAJOR no-no without full admin approval. Check out the thread in the forum (http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1942). I look forward to hearing your feedback! :-) --Zackmann08 11:16, 9 May 2012 (CDT)

RE: Supernatural

I think "Jericho 941" should only be used to refer to the series of pistols, as all of the pistol listed on that page are Jericho 941s, just different models. I don't think it hurts to be specific about the gun you are talking about, and also differentiated between when you are talking about the gun series as a whole and the one specific model. I reorganised the Jerich 941 page a while ago to use the correct model designations (up until that point all guns were being called just Jericho 941s, even if they had the frame safety, were semi compacts or had polymer frames) so when someone identifies a pistol now it should be identified by the specific model. Most IDs pre-date when I did this though, but I can go through and change them (would also be an opportunity to double check that they are the correct models) , is that OK? --commando552 (talk) 08:31, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

The thing with the SIGs is that they were originally called P226Rs when they were first introduced, its just that now that all P226s have the rail they have abandoned the distinction. Using the "R" for railed SIGs is what was actually done by the company themselves, not something we made up. The thing with the 941s though is that there is no distinction between the unrailed and railed models as far as I can tell in terms of model designations, its just that the railed one is the current model. Not 100%, but I think it may be the case that the rail was introduced when the Jericho started being produced under the IWI name rather than IMI, so that could be a way of distinguishing between the two. Also, the American MRI guns refer to the later railed guns as the "Baby Desert Eagle II". We don't use the MRI naming but rather the original Jericho, but we could refer to railed guns by putting a "II" after them as in "Jericho 941 R II", but this seems a bit clunky to me and is not how it is actually done by IWI. What do you think? --commando552 (talk) 13:19, 28 October 2012 (EDT)


I am trying to write this without a tone of anger, but I just don't understand why you feel the need to make such a snarky comment on the JAG page. I'm sorry that I'm not observant enough, but you could be a little bit more forgiving about this and help me out. I'm trying to do right, but comments like you make, don't make me feel like I should contribute any more. --Ben41 (talk) 20:25, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

Forum Registration


Been a while since I came back and posted something on IMFDB. Anyways, I wanted to sign up for the forum because I wanted to ask something about guns but the registration was disabled. When do you think it will be re-enabled?--Gunkatas (talk) 01:38, 20 November 2012 (EST)

P.S. The image about posting signatures needs to be updated.

Excuse me.

I apologize for my mistake. For some reason I thought that this nickel-plated Type  56-1 is used in Typhoon. Later I saw the movie page, and saw his mistake, but it was too late, and I decided not to correct it. Next time I'll be more careful with the editing. Tell me please, where in this case is still used this machine, except those films that are referred in this photo:


Andrey Karchikyan (talk) 23:07 28 July 2013 (MSK)

Breaking Bad

If you want to let know where in the episode it's seen and what episode they're from, then I can put them up. --Ben41 (talk) 15:01, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

I probably already have it, but I haven't put it up yet. Just wondering, did Hank ever use his Glock in Season 3 or 4? --Ben41 (talk) 15:15, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

The Amazing Spider-Man

"There is no evidence for this; just because the NYPD uses this gun in real life doesn't mean that it's what's in the movie"

I would never base my identification of a gun used by any police agency in a movie purely on what their real life equivalence carry. There sure are evidence that the SIG-Sauer P226 used by Denis Leary is a DAK, or possibly DAO gun, and here are the evidence;

Here if you look closely you can see there is no decocker on the pistol, it's a little hard to tell but you can see it if you look closely.
Here you can definitely see that the hammer is bobbed.
Here is a better shot of the gun where you can see there is clearly no decocking lever on this gun.
Best possibly closeup where again there is no decocking lever on the pistol.
Good profile shot of the gun clearly showing the bobbed hammer.

There you have it, evidence that I didn't just base it on what the NYPD carry in real life. So, do any of these have to go on the page to show the gun is a DAK, in that case which of them do you recommend? I don't think all of them has to go on the page just to show it's a DAK pistol. --Thejoker (talk) 17:22, 23 October 2013 (EDT)

Okey thanks, sorry if I came off as grumpy. --Thejoker (talk) 23:08, 26 November 2013 (EST)

RE X-Files

Thanks, that means quite a deal. I know you contributed quite a bit for the show's page, including caps (many of which I'm keeping since mine really aren't/won't be any better). I'm definitely happy I got Season 1 locked, BUT now I have to go forward with Season 2, and so forth! Bah.. BUT, I'll get it all eventually though - I too really pained to see the page kinda fall by the wayside like it did, so figured I'd do something about it. It's a pretty big project for me, but I really want to get this show up to par with most of the other pages, especially after helping out Ben with Criminal Minds and SVU. That all said, I see you've already added some stuff, which is great! I appreciate it a lot - good to have a little extra help. Feel free to keep adding even for the other seasons if you have stuff - There are talk pages set up as storage for every season so just put it all there and I can sort it out when I get to that season. Anyway, again, thanks much! StanTheMan (talk) 16:52, 26 July 2014 (EDT)

You can go ahead and upload them. --Ben41 (talk) 00:27, 17 August 2014 (EDT)
Well, I actually skipped that episode since you said you had some. I doubt they're that bad, but if you're concerned, you can post 'em up in the talk page. As I said, I simply re-used several of your caps since they're good enough, ones I get won't likely be that much better. There's maybe one or two extras or re-dos I might wanna get anyway, so if I really feel the need, I can try to get ones for "Pusher" then. Otherwise, we'll just go with 'em - Outside of those caps S3's pretty much as complete as can be right now. About to load all the other caps I took on the page now. StanTheMan (talk) 19:54, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
Just looked at the page, all of the caps look good to me - As I surmised, I don't think I could really do better. Thanks for getting those and setting them up on the page. Now, short of HD shots, I definitely think S3's pretty much wrapped-up. Your lack of memory actually reminded me I hadn't uploaded the other DVD covers, so I did that, also checking some of the related actor pages thus far too. I intend to follow-up with the gun pages as well (at least some anyway, others I'd rather hold off on 'till more of the show's done). Otherwise, guess it's on to S4 - many of those I think I (and perhaps even you) could actually improve on. And on it goes.. StanTheMan (talk) 21:51, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
Looking back through the season pages, it seems the only Olympic Arms rifles there are that match the existing gun image (the A1E1 receiver with the A1 barrel) are in S3, and I mark that by the thinner barrels in some shots - But in all other cases, they appear to be the heavy barrel rifles, while the other rifles with thinner barrels just about all seem to be SP1 mockups, so I definitely get your point. I myself had no trouble with posting the two AR images and all that, but I admit it can be a bit much, and potentially confusing. Long as it's not a problem for anyone else, perfectly fine by me to standardize on one rifle type and one image. Also, moved your last message to a new section on my talk page, as the main one I had on my talk page was gettin' a bit large (hell, soon I might want to go for an archive on my talk page.. damn have I really talked and done that much? Bah.) Anyway again I'm cool on condensing the listing(s) and image(s), no problem by me. StanTheMan (talk) 22:27, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
Some of the ones in "731" looked like they had the A1 barrels but had the OA's Stowaway grips. Or so it seemed, anyway, as I said. The rifles in "731" are never shown worth a damn enough to get any real good shots (Not for me to get, anyway - I might try to see if I can do anything about that with more/new caps, but I ain't expecting much really). Hell, could still be rifles with the heavy barrels and again, just not quite a good shot. Again, like I said, it was just what it seemed, not gonna treat it as hard fact or anything of course. That to me was the only case where it seemed different, otherwise it all seems to tie with your view, which I pretty much I agree with - I agree that it seems the general rule was OA's for any heavy barrel rifles and the lighties being SP1s. Now I always work under the assumption there's exceptions to every rule, but I'm still with you anyway in that regard, and I don't mind proceeding that way on the pages. Thanks for all the input and assistance thus far. StanTheMan (talk) 00:03, 29 September 2014 (EDT)

Part Deux

Thanks, but I'm actually not done here yet. Phase one was just updating some of the existing pics, I actually have a lot more additional caps and sections to load - Would have done it all last night but it was gettin' late. I am going through the series in-order so I'm not at "Max" yet - I'm doing it in three passes, this first pass is "Herrenvolk" to "Terma", "Paper Hearts" to "Max" will be the next pass, and the rest of the season will be the last set. And so forth. I find going through a few episodes at a time gives me quite a good bit to upload and change without getting too intensive (although this set of episodes was pretty damn involved, "Field Where I Died", "Musings of CSM' and "Tunguska" each have a fair bit of firearms so it took some time to get caps). Anyway, I'll certainly go about getting caps on "Max" as best I can, I know there are a lot of guns in it and many probably aren't seen well. But I'll certainly try. Hell I actually have a lot more caps than what I've loaded, but need to pick and choose the best stuff and try not to get carried away. Season 4 may indeed take a while, since there are a lot of episodes with a fair amount of firearms in them. But I'm gettin' there, of course. StanTheMan (talk) 15:21, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

Just got S4 wrapped up - What do you think? I'm pretty sure I got just about everything. StanTheMan (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
Yeah, it is awesome, glad to have it done finally. That said, I just saw S1 on the main page as a featured article, which is awesome (part of that is due to Ben getting the HD caps, but nevertheless, kickass to see). Should also note that on the main page I rewrote the description a bit, and re-arranged the titles to show the first film in-between S5 and S6, as it is proper chronologically and the film itself does go between those seasons of the series in sequence. It looks better to me, and I don't think anyone else will mind. Anyway, yeah, I plan to start working on S5 soon, hopefully anyway (I have constraints as well, or might have 'em soon, perhaps, we'll see). I originally intended to get the whole show, and still intend to eventually. But sure, whatever help you can give will be much appreciated. StanTheMan (talk) 15:21, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
Ah, thanks! I was wondering about that, they looked like flat-top uppers from the Model 920 M4s and newer stuff but that's a moving shot so I wasn't sure if that was the case or an angle/motion thing. The pages you linked have good relevant details so I'll re-work that section, or you can if you feel so inclined. Either way's good with me, appreciate the help, as usual. StanTheMan (talk) 21:23, 2 November 2014 (EST)
Went ahead and changed that section with the relevant info, hope it works alright. Let me know if anything's off or otherwise feel free to change anything that's off. Thanks yet again. StanTheMan (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2014 (EST)
Done with S5 now. "Folie à Deux" and "Pine Bluff Variant" took a bit to get everything but I'm pretty sure I got just about all of it - definitely some good shots of the MP5SDs (found a couple fixed-stock SD2s in there) and that long-barrel Type 84S. Would like a bit of help on some of the unknown stuff, the sniper rifle in "The End" especially. Also, you'll notice I kept your old widescreen images, I got a couple of replacements but Netflix presently only has the whole series in FS (Still kicking myself for not doing it last year, they had WS on the last 2-3 seasons at least) and while yours have grain to 'em, they are good enough shots; mine won't be a great deal better. The Rules of course also says to get/keep WS caps when possible. So, hanging onto those for the time being. I also kept that one cropped shot of the Spectre, since I believe it's a crop from the WS version as well and one I can't really replace (and again, its a good shot). Anyway, there it is, any thoughts/notes? StanTheMan (talk) 18:47, 9 November 2014 (EST)
Thanks for the notes -
1) I do agree that it looks closer to the 'Target' rather than the 'Match' - Main reason I got that one completely horizontal shot was to compare the two, and I agree the barrel isn't near long enough for a Match version. I'd have to agree the rifle in "Terma" is the same one so the ID applies to both. I'll modify the listing(s) and use the image we have, and just note that it has a folding stock.
2) KNEW I had seen a rifle like that recently but for the life of me couldn't place it, I think you're spot on there.
3) I figured as much, I've seen screencaps on other pages done that way, too. Again, they're decent enough to keep, I'd rather wait 'til the HD remastering before worrying about changing them.
4) Figured it was a S&W, but wasn't entirely sure of the model, not used to seeing decocker-less models like the 5946 much. But that makes sense. Also, can't believe I missed that was the same masked dude (just shows ya I've been working too hard :P)
5) Well, I kinda see what you mean but while the reciever looks a bit slim in width, it doesn't appear to be elongated lengthwise like a Cobray (hard to tell though). More than that it also doesn't look like it has the disk-shaped cocking handle like the Cobray gun, either. Actual MACs did appear previously on the show, so all that was what I supported my ID with. Won't write it in stone, though.
6) Makes sense, the flash-hiders threw me off though (They looked a bit like those on the DShKs, but not quite big enough).
- Thanks for all the help. I think I'll have a bit of a break before I start back up again with S6. I think if anything I'll start going through the existing stuff, trimming it a bit where possible, double-checking the cross-listing on the actor pages and getting on the crossings on the gun pages, too. And on it goes... StanTheMan (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2014 (EST)
Just finished up cross-listing the gun and actor pages with a couple exceptions, plan to get back into the saddle of screen-capping soon. Before that, though, as part of my trimming down and ironing-out process, I intend to tag some of your old images for deletion - Pretty much all the ones of yours that I'm going to tag are ones where we've gotten better versions (without updating the old image, apparently) so it seems prudent. I won't do it right away but soon, if you have a problem with that or anything please let me know. Thanks again for your help thus far. StanTheMan (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2014 (EST)

X-Files Part 3: Sunny California

Very well, I'll get those last couple images out of the way (a couple I'll hang onto for the meantime). Otherwise, back to business - Started capping stuff from S6 yesterday, already noticed a couple slight differences in weaponry from the LA move - M16A1s mocked up as A2s rather than the OAs or SP1 rifles and a Colt revolver (never seen those previously). Also, need to change the listing on my WIP S6 page - the Nazi boarders in Triangle all had Lugers rather than P38s. I'll hit a few more episodes before uploading caps and such. And on it goes... StanTheMan (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2014 (EST)

Oh yes, I knew there'd be some changes there for sure. Glad for the tips on potential armories supplying the show in LA. As I get into these latter seasons I'll check those references and see what looks good and all that. Don't know much myself, but again, I'll discover and learn more as I go. I figured your knowledge was a lock on the Vancouver shows where Felcan was involved but you might be a bit light on the LA seasons - It's all good though, I've been figuring out most of it as I go so this won't be any different for me. As always though, I'll appreciate any input you can give. IIRC, firearms were a bit more spread out in the latter seasons, my guess would probably be because of budget (moving to LA meant a big increase in the production costs of the show, among other things), but again, we'll see as I carry on. By the way, I'm curious - When you say you stopped watching the show, was that in the context of technically for this site's purposes or did you mean you actually ceased watching the series itself? StanTheMan (talk) 16:33, 23 November 2014 (EST)
I gotcha. I'm no hardcore fan but have seen it quite a bit now - I myself enjoy the whole show but will admit I have more mixed feelings about the latter half of the series. I started watching the show as a kid at the sixth season, so these later years hold some nostalgic presence there. Re-watching the whole show I found the later seasons definitely subpar to the earlier stuff, but much of it was still watchable for the most part - I myself liked Season 8 with Robert Patrick a good bit. But I agree overall quality of the show went down somewhat, and I agree with many that the tone changed from filming in LA, and not really for the better. I could say more but all-told, I get where you're coming from. While I like some portions of the series more than others, again, I more-or-less enjoy the whole show, which I guess makes me a good fit for going through it all again and documenting it. As for the guns, I know some stuff will be harder to nail down, but I'll figure it out as I've been doing. Was nice to have all your detailed input for the prior stuff but with or without, I'll manage. Good tip on the MK23 - If that's "Aqua Mala", I take it that would be one of the guns seen in the apartment of that one dude, correct? Well anyway, you're right, that piece was not common, well, anywhere at that time (certainly not in productions). I will keep an eye for it when I get to it, thanks. StanTheMan (talk) 17:46, 23 November 2014 (EST)
Well, some of the carbines (at least one I saw) had a regular barrel and flash-hider rather than the XM/CAR-style, but that one was hard to cap.. The vast majority of them are fitted with mock XM flash-hiders though so I'll just consolidate the lot. I do agree that last one is actually a full-size rifle. I'll fix it up - Appreciate the look-over and assistance, as usual. StanTheMan (talk) 12:44, 26 November 2014 (EST)
Uploaded a new round of stuff, including the Mk23, got some decent grabs of it methinks. Got a couple of unIDs on the Talk page I could use a hand with when you get a free minute. Also, I noticed you don't have X-Files on your main page's TV contribs list. After all the help you've given me for these pages? For shame, sir! :P StanTheMan (talk) 00:00, 1 December 2014 (EST)


Thanks for adding the weapons. Yeah, I might be changing them to HD in the future. --Ben41 (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2014 (EST)

Custom Assault Pistol

Yeah go ahead and change it to the correct information. --Ben41 (talk) 13:19, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Actually I'm sort of in the middle of changing some stuff on that gun page. I was gonna ask if it was really made for Timecop, among other things, since some of the info doesn't jive - The X-Files appears to be it's first ever appearance (pre-dating Timecop by almost a year) and them being made because of the 1994 Clinton ban doesn't sound right as Canada wouldn't be subject to it (though I know they had their own import and 'assualt weapons' bans in the 90s, though I forget the details right now). Anyway, could you let me put in a couple things and then you can spruce it up as you please? I like those names - I think they'll work as much an anything. StanTheMan (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Timecop was released in 1994, but was produced in 1993. It would make more sense that these weapons would be created for a high budget feature film instead of a first year television series. --Ben41 (talk) 13:29, 16 January 2015 (EST)

I was following the "Timecop Beretta" model for naming the weapon. Was there an instance of the long barreled version? All the versions on the site appear to be short barreled sometimes fitted with barrel shrouds. --Ben41 (talk) 13:40, 16 January 2015 (EST)
I think the appearances in X-Files and M.A.N.T.I.S., though notable as being the first appearances and well before the release of Timecop, were tangential - I'm with Ben that I too think they were most likely made specially for the film. Of course they could just be props to have, much like the MP5K mockups we've seen through X-Files, but I'm not too sure. Anyway, those first pre-film appearances are notable, as they should be, and I do intend to make note of them (The X-Files definitely, as we have more extensive pages on it, and was the second earliest ever appearance (the first being on the Highlander TV series - thanks, MT), and the first appearance we have on the site). The name, well, I don't mind either/or - I'm not too shot in the ass about it either way honestly. I'd rather the technical details correct more than anything. But I wouldn;t mind naming it something else, as it avoids the discrepancy about the earlier appearances entirely. Either way though. As for the 'long barrel' version, well the long shrouded versions look like they have an extended barrel under the shroud, but I'm not too certain. I would, if possible, like a way to differentiate between the long shrouded and short-shrouded/non-shrouded variants. StanTheMan (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2015 (EST)
Just edited the gun page with what I hope is more accurate info. I wanted to keep it in the vein of neutrality in regards to the productions - I think the description info works whether they were especially for Timecop or not. If I missed anything, go ahead and spruce it up. On the name issue I'm still good either way. StanTheMan (talk) 13:50, 16 January 2015 (EST)
It's possible that the "longer barrel" version is the same weapon with a newer longer shell built over the original in order to accommodate a carry strap and a newer longer shroud was placed over the original barrel. The screenshots from Crying Freeman and Smallville - Season 3 show the differences in more detail. --Ben41 (talk) 14:15, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Well, details about the two variants/versions of the gun aside (I think Ben may make a point, looking at the X-files caps, the shrouded gun doesn't seem to have the longer frame of that other gun, so perhaps it was a mod of the same weapon after the fact), sounds like we're pretty much of the same mind. I certainly see the benefits of renaming and don't see any downside (aside from changing the listings, but that's not such a big deal). Even if it's same gun, is clear there were several different variants, even if they were only slight mods of the one design. So I guess maybe should make names for the early version with shroud and without, and one for the newer modded/other variant as well. Anyway, if you can get all that going, I'm good to go. StanTheMan (talk) 14:24, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Interesting bit about the Cobra TV series, should make a note of that as well. In fact, though it's not of great quality, should try and see if you can rip some caps of of those clips - It would be nice to have an actual showing of what seems to be the first ever appearance of the gun. Also, on an unrelated note, might wanna consider archiving some of your talk page, would reduce of bit of scrolling on our part. ;) StanTheMan (talk) 14:29, 16 January 2015 (EST)

The Truth Is Out There (Hopefully in BC)

Heh, had a bit of fun with the title - All this X-Files watching has rubbed off me a bit (I've heard rumblings they may be bringing X-Files back in one form or another, that might be pretty awesome too). That is cool about the trip, hope it goes well and you are able to get some final details if you can on those custom SMG (among other things I would think). And also, thanks - Still got most of S9 to finish up (and the last run of cross-listings to go with it) but definitely on the final leg of this project at this point. This has been the most daunting project I've done to date here (And will probably be the most daunting one I'll ever do for quite a while), but I am happy to get a show that is so iconic and a favorite of many people (present company included of course) as well-documented on the site as I can. And to think how it was a year ago.. Bah! I should thank you in-turn though, as all of your background details (especially on the Vancouver-half of the show) have been enormously helpful in adding to the technical aspect of the pages and getting them as comprehensive as possible.

Also, after doing a bit of extra spelunking on the site, I'm pretty sure both Gibbons LTD and Hand Prop Room handled the firearms for the LA portion of the show - I know HPR had those modded Rugers along with a couple other things but the Kurt Russell film Soldier seems to be the first film to feature the H&K Mark 23 pistol (S6 of XF seems to be the first TV show to do so), and it seems Gibbons was behind that production, best I can tell. Several other more particular weapons from that film match up with ones in the series, namely the converted SPPs and AKU-94 bullpup seen along with the modded Mini-14 in S7. So I'm pretty sure both Gibbons and HPR had a hand in the show. There doesn't seem to be much in JAG that crosses, a couple things are of note - JAG featured a USP in its 2nd season (when they were still quite new) and XF had one in S6 (and I just capped another yesterday from S9), but I'm not sure if that's a concrete connection, of course. Main thing is some of the JAG pages don't seem to be too well-documented. Another thing is the different style and subject matter of the shows means they had no need to have the same weapons (not a lot of M16s, M60s and such appeared on the latter portion of the X-Files, sadly) and of course there is the practical consideration of doing both productions concurrently so that might have split some of the stuff they could've used.. Just some thoughts mainly. Anyway, once again, thanks for the kudos and hope the trip is a lock and all goes well. StanTheMan (talk) 13:07, 27 January 2015 (EST)

I'm not registered on the forum - I know, you'd think someone who's been around as long as me would have joined up but alas, no. I try to keep my internet checking and stuff as streamlined as possible (hell, I didn't even join Facebook 'til about a year ago) and while I maybe could contribute on the board, just never felt a strong enough urge to actually do so. I do check it anonymously from time to time in case something might be up (news about the site and such), but that's about it. That might change at some point, but right now, I'm fine with sticking with contributing on just the wiki itself. Sorry if this is an inconvenience on your part though. StanTheMan (talk) 22:18, 29 January 2015 (EST)
Way to give me an excuse - your message sounds most intriguing. Just made a request, should get signed up in short order. Probably looking at being on there tomorrow. StanTheMan (talk) 00:29, 30 January 2015 (EST)
Haven't gotten a reply for registration on the forum request page - If I try to register straight on the board it says it's disabled by admin. Basically it seems to me that you (or another admin) have to set me up an account. I never registered nor attempted to register any time prior on the forum, so it's not like I have a user that I can't get into, I'm totally fresh. StanTheMan (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2015 (EST)
Well you have to have an email as part of signing up on here, so that might be where bunni comes in - bunni can view the email addresses of users on here and use that to set up forum accounts and email us the details. Or so I assume, anyway. StanTheMan (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2015 (EST)
I used to be a fan of this phenomenal 90s show. If you make it to BC, please see if you get to the real identity of those unidentified guns. Or, in the words of the "Well-Manicured Man": "Find the truth in BC. Only then will you realize the true scope and grandeur of the project." --Mazryonh (talk) 19:40, 31 January 2015 (EST)

Well, to be frank I guess I could have had you PM me on FB or even send me an email directly -Still can actually, but that's up to you. I'd love to hear juicy details but I won't feel horrible if not. That said, good to have the skinny there on the KAC rifle - I wasn't ever sure if it was the real deal or a mockup, we've had semi-conflicting entries on these Vancouver-produced media pages so it's good to have some exact info here. I've been doing another go-through on the X-Files pages so I'll modify those listings accordingly in-addition. Can't wait to hear what other details will be revealed. StanTheMan (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2015 (EST)

I'm starting to go through listings for the KAC rifle entries we have listed and modify them accordingly. Probably won't be able to get them all this evening but should crack through most if not all of them over the next couple of days or so. StanTheMan (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Custom Machine Pistol

Okay, go ahead. --Ben41 (talk) 15:08, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Kewl! Good to have all of this stuff. I'll let you finish up the gun page(s) and see what you end up with - You can do it yourself of course if you're so inclined but if not I'll be happy to modify the listings on the X-Files S1 page accordingly once you're done (As well as with any other pages, if you need, of course). Again, awesome to have all this info, thanks for your sleuthing here. My condolences in regards to the fella who originally came up with these things, BTW - I wish his folks the best and am glad we got to enjoy seeing these pieces in several noted pieces of film and television (and documenting them accordingly, as well). StanTheMan (talk) 15:21, 2 February 2015 (EST)
Page looks real good, nice job. EDIT - Looks like you've handled all those entries on the respective media pages as well as the redirects and such, so I guess that makes my task easier, heh. If it's alright, I'm gonna just add a bit to those listings (essentially noting their appearance in BC productions and also noting the earliest appearances on the respective pages, as that's something we do with other listed firearms), but otherwise looks like you've done all the heavy lifting here. Again, well done. StanTheMan (talk) 17:24, 2 February 2015 (EST)

I Want To Be DONE

And with The X-Files I am.. But I'm not! Well sorta. First off, I never think you're totally done on these kinds of things.. That said, I have finished the main pages especially the images and all (despite having to go back and get an episode worth of screencaps because my old computer, which for months I've been waiting to get back online, and did for a couple weeks, took a total shit on me the other day and might be fried for good.. Bah). Anyway, need to do the second and final round of gun page cross listings/linkings, and a couple other things. I removed just about all the old data that was archived on the original talk page (though I locally backed up any significant pieces of listings/etc), got a couple extra images and stuff I might put on the talk page. Also, I've been toying with the idea of using the Infobox, I don't wanna use it on the main page (everytime I've tried it, it looks off, plus the TV Infobox doesn't work too well when you have films and such, etc), but I might put 'em on the individual season pages, ala NCIS and the like. But I thought I'd see what you think there. Either way, at least I've got the series pages more-or-less as complete as can be at this point, and I certainly am proud and happy about that. Not to be redundant, but I thank you again for all the help you've given on this. StanTheMan (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2015 (EST)

Ahem, was starting to go about setting up the Infobox templates as well as add filming/production categories per this previous yak here - In terms of both Categorizing and listing on the Infobox templates for the season pages, should it only be listed as Canadian Produced/Filmed for the first five seasons and combine USA/Canada for the rest (They were filmed in LA, but I believe Chris Carter's company 1013 Productions is Canadian, not certain though - maybe you could fill me in on that) and/or should USA be noted for all the pages (Per the FOX network, etc)? I'll ask a couple other folks but as you're fairly well-read on this show I'd really like your input on this. StanTheMan (talk) 17:34, 13 February 2015 (EST)
That's cool, I know other stuff happens (boy do I know that.. bah!), but appreciate the reply. It is indeed an awesome show, was glad to watch the whole thing proper and glad to go back through it for the site. Anyway, I agree about categorizing the first five seasons as such; that's what I figured would be best to do, anyway. Talking with Funkychinaman though, the Filmed/Produced Categories are meant to lean more to actual production rather than just filming location (And Ten Thirteen is actually USA-based, as I've found out), still, I think it will be okay to mark the first five seasons as Canadian (As well as the second film), as the filming location played a big part there. We'll see. Also, on FCM's advice, I'm planning on doing some writeups for the season pages - I got rough drafts for S1 and S2 already, with ideas to expound on for the other seasons (some of them be a bit dry, as there wasn't much going behind the scenes in some seasons). I fear they'll end up a bit long in some cases, but I'm looking forward to doing them and have to admit they will be a nice addition along with the Infoboxes.
Also, per your note on the MP5 mockups, that sounds pretty neat, hope you can get more info there too. It would be good to have some details on them, hopefully enough to maybe make a independent section on the MP5 page for them perhaps. Hope to hear more soon, thanks! StanTheMan (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2015 (EST)
Talking with FCM, it's a no-go at this point on using Canada produced categories. No big deal, I'll just note the Vancouver filming in the season writeups I'm preparing. That said, I just posted ones for the first two seasons on my newly-made Sandbox page. Let me know what you think when you can. StanTheMan (talk) 21:43, 16 February 2015 (EST)

Ellis NFA List

Do you still have a copy of the Ellis Props & Graphics NFA gun list from the Long Mountain Outfitters website? It's not available on the site or the Wayback Machine.--Quarax (talk) 19:16, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

X-Files Miniseries

I spotted that, and have heard other sources also citing it as 'Season 10' but I'm still not sure anything's totally concrete or completely definitive though. Production numbers can be iffy. There is an official X-Files comic-book series which is actually called "Season 10", however, which complicates matters a bit to me (of course that doesn't factor in the case of this site really, but still). All-told I'm just trying to skirt that issue entirely right now. I don't see using just the episode numbers themselves being a problem for the time being - We can always change it later. StanTheMan (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2016 (EST)

Bah, hard to tell sometimes - I don't like IDing Glocks.. I agree with ya though, and we happen to have 4th Gen Glocks out nowadays. Funny how that works. StanTheMan (talk) 02:24, 28 January 2016 (EST)
Well, looks like that little issue has now been resolved. Not much to my liking, but whatever - it is what it is. The show's pretty good and going well, whatever they care to call it. StanTheMan (talk) 02:43, 3 February 2016 (EST)

AR-15 page error

First time posting in talk, please be gentle... noticed the following comment in the description of the Colt 933 (RO933) (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M16_rifle_series#Colt_Model_933): "This has led some people (including Airsoft manufacturers) to nickname it the "M4 Commando" or "M4 CQB", though these are not its official designations.". Actually, a simple visit to the official Colt website reveals that Colt does in fact refer to the 11.5" as the M4 Commando officially. (http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Law-Enforcement/Products/Colt-M4-Commando#97715-technical-specifications) Does it get more official than Colt advertising it as such? Could we maybe ditch the info provided by airsofters???--RealEveryDay (talk) 03:59, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

Fourth War

I will take care of the screenshots, but if there's any more weapons ID missing, you can add them. --Ben41 (talk) 03:51, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

Forum account recovery down

Hey, I'm trying to log into the forum but I got logged out and can't recover my account because the CAPTCHA is down. Any idea who I should message about that?--Mandolin (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2018 (EST)

The Stand Glock

It's me. The Stand was the first page I built back in 2009.I still visit it on a frequnet basis. I keep bouncing back and forth on whether it's a Glock 19 or 17. I grabbed my DVD and found the security guard shot. I see what you're saying. It is very likely a Glock 19. --Jcordell (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


Dont ask me about it, I didnt identify the Beretta. I was just fixing second person pronouns. Ask the Beretta identification questions on the movies talk page. --Wuzh (talk) 18:07, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

If nobody objects to your arguments, and you have good enough reference images to back up your arguments, you can always just edit the page; you do not need admin approval. --Wuzh (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


Forgive me in advance, if my response comes off sounding like I'm in a bad mood and/or being sarcastic. I'm being curious, I was just browsing through and me, being more or less attentive to detail, I noticed the nomenclature "SP89" and I was like "what" and then I edited it. I'm over here thinking, so if the civilian versions of certain firearms fully converted, they turn into their actual select-fire variants? (i.e. SP89s into the MP5Ks, M4A1 Clones into M4A1s, MR556A1s into HK416s and etc.). Another thing that I've been very curious about since you brought this up, would you consider the SP89 used by Jason Statham & Paul Walker in Furious 7 partially converted or fully converted since it had the SEF Trigger and the PDW Stock, but no Paddle Mag Release? I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this info, I feel less confused about this. I like the fact that they (the motion picture armories) go to great lengths of making their civilian variant guns into looking like the actual Military/LE weapons, since I'm a gun nut, I like to pay attention to detail to the weapons in movies & TV shows and I also want to make some of my guns look like the screen-used weapons in the vast majority of films/TV programs in the near future, just wanted to put that out there. I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


On point 1: I need a source on that claim about Norinco vs Poly Technologies wood. Additionally, even if you can prove that it was a Norinco-exported Type 56, calling it a "Norinco Type 56" is still a misnomer; it misleads the users into believing that it was manufactured by Norinco/Norinco Group. Habits and traditions are no excuse for misinformation.

On point 2: Yes, I am fully prepared to edit out "Norinco" on every single page. Not just the Type 56s, but also the QBZ-95s and the QBU-88s. --Wuzh (talk) 01:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I want you to be aware of that the main issue I take with the "Norinco" prefix is not because "some of the guns are Poly Tech", but rather that these rifles were never manufactured by Norinco or Poly Tech; Norinco and Poly Technologies are marketing companies, a.k.a. exporters, that export Type 56s manufactured by Chinese state factories. I have Chinese sources saying that Norinco had no manufacturing capability whatsoever. --Wuzh (talk) 22:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

These are some really good observations. I think that right now, while we are in agreement that the Type 56 probably shouldn't be prefixed with "Norinco", your argument that it is OK for gun names to be prefixed with their branded companies even if they aren't their manufacturers (the BCM vs Vltor situation) has merit. Hell, I myself haven't fully committed to the "total Norinco purge" because I chose to replace the Norinco prefix with a "Norinco-branded" note in the captions of guns like the (Norinco?) Type 86S.

I'm not sure where exactly to go from here to resolve this "branding company vs manufacturing company" issue of gun nomenclature. I'm thinking maybe I should discuss with some firearm history experts and look into how other websites (e.g. Wikipedia) deal with these kinds of firearm nomenclature issues. My plan is that eventually, we should be able to develop a rigorous set of gun naming rules to determine if a gun's name should or shouldn't be prefixed with a company name, and if a "branding-only" company name is OK as a prefix. --Wuzh (talk) 00:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Did something change in how we title movies?

I've noticed several NON ADMIN members or new members changing the titling of films by moving "the" from the end of the title to the beginning. This affects how the films are sorted in the alphabetical sorting. Most film directories remove "the" from titles and move it to the back of the name, so that we don't have a huge grouping of movies sorted under the letter "T". I'm seeing more and more members (whom I don't know that well) making these changes. Has our sorting protocol officially changed? Thanks. best MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 19:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

This page move was a project I have been planning after I was promoted to the Administrator position last year by site owner bunni. With the agreement of other site admins (including Bunni) on the IMFDB discord, we changed IMFDB's rules (see Style Guide) on titles that begin with "The"; instead of physically moving the titles to have "The" placed at their ends, we instead make use of a MediaWiki feature, the DEFAULTSORT magic word (see MediaWiki documentation), to fix their sortings. This way, the pages will be able to keep their actual real life titles (with "The" at the front), which makes wiki editing and other back end management easier. --Wuzh (talk) 19:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


Thanks for your input. I'm not sure how the title change helps, but I cringe at seeing THOUSANDS of titles sorted in the "T" section purely because they had the letter "T" in the title. If anything, the people that I know tend to eliminate the word "The" when they search. So things like The Bourne Identity don't end up in the letter "T" section because of the "the" section. Everyone I know looks at "B". Too many movies don't have the "the" and most folks don't remember if it does or not. I certainly do not support putting title starting with "the" in the "T" section of the table of contents, but that's just my opinion. Ultimately those decisions are up to the mods who do day to day maintenance. I'll just add small stuff, if motivated to do so, in the future and not worry about the organization of the site. :) Thanks for your reply. The Alex Baldwin debacle has pretty much destroyed the industry. Too many films are so afraid of guns that they either write them out of the scripts or demand only Airsoft weapons. Also the new 'armorer' certification laws will drive many out of the field anyways. Good to know you're still alive and kicking. Within a decade, I'll be out of CA. A lot of the other guys are looking at exiting the industry. In 10 years the entire movie industry will be completely different, or ALL action, weapons related films will be shot outside of the USA. best MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 03:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

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