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Sweet. Took long enough. BeardedHoplite 17:07, 23 April 2011 (CDT)


Not to nitpick, but are we sure this should be categorized as "anime"? It's distinctly American in pretty much every facet (art style, humor, plots, etc.)--PistolJunkie 17:19, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
I would agree, but I was specifically told to do so by the mods as to avoid deletion. --Funkychinaman 17:23, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
One other thing; the P220s: The way the grip is stepped at the top, I think those are meant to be 92F/FSs.--PistolJunkie 19:32, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
Since there's been no response, I'm going to presume that no one takes issues with those being Berettas.--PistolJunkie 17:25, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
Yeah, sorry, I just can't tell. I just hope the Archer wiki keeps up. 95% of their weapon pages are based on this page. --Funkychinaman 17:33, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
Jeez, they just copied this page wholesale, didn't they? Anyways, I left them a message that it had been corrected.--PistolJunkie 19:31, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

I know they dont count as firearms, but in Skorpio, kreiger is seen making Molotov Cocktail to burn down the isis mainframe. I saw that Molotov Cocktail were listed on Burn Notice, so i figured they should be listed here as well. -- Simmons 8492

There has been plenty of debate as to molotovs, and I always thought that the consensus was no, since they fall under improvised weaponry. --Funkychinaman 08:26, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

The page states several times that "Training Day" was the pilot when "Molehunt" is actually the pilot episode. --cool-breeze 18:52, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

Yes, I realize that now. I think I watched the eps out of order. --Funkychinaman 18:57, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
Ah right. I was just wondering if they were screened on FX out of order or something because I've got the DVDs and "Molehunt" is the first episode on the set. --cool-breeze 07:13, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
You know how FX airs the previous week's episode right after the current episode? I think that's how I watched the first two, and I just got it in my head that Training Day was the pilot. All I have to do it remind myself that the stupid "lost" pilot was based on Mole Hunt. --Funkychinaman 08:24, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
Haha! Yeah. Just think that Crenshaw is in the pilot but none others after :P --cool-breeze 12:01, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

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Soviet troops are not buying that Archer is just a Finnish skydiving enthusiast.
"Wait, you're just going to leave him with a grenade stuck up his ass?" "Yes Lana, I'm on a rampage. And also kidding, it's a smoke grenade." Or not.

Suggested Changes

1. The animators didn't totally mess the M16s up. In a couple of frames, Archer's is correct, while Lana's is wrong, and vise versa.

In the first link below, you will see both guns in the same frame. Archer's is fine while Lana's is backwards... in the same frame.

The second link just shows Lana's messed up.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBQW44ccdaGdXNWZkI5T0JTb2FqRXZqdHhhVnJ4QQ

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBQW44ccdaGTTRqZU40S0pUd21lR0NmOU91U1F1QQ ColtModel1903 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

I can't actually access any of the links above. And I thought I made it clear that the animators had issues with swapping sides. Check out the entry for the TEC-9. And please sign your posts. --Funkychinaman 06:27, 26 February 2012 (CST)
Sorry, I'm very new to IMFDB, and I was unaware of how to sign my posts, but I think I've figured it out. Also, I think I fixed all the links. ColtModel1903 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

2. Walther PP or PPK?

At the end of 'Lo Scandalo', the following conversation occurs.

Lana: "Walther PP chambered for .32 ACP, what's the magazine capacity?"

Archer: "Uhh, 8"

Lana: "8 rounds, plus 1 in the chamber, for a total of 9"

Archer is correct, a Walther PP (chambered in 32) holds 8 in the mag, and Lana correctly adds 1 for the chamber.

A Walther PPK, however, only holds 6+1 when chambered for .32 ACP. So, the gun Malory uses in 'Lo Scandalo' is actually a Walther PP, not a PPK.

Few things though, this is the first time Malory has used anything other than her Smith & Wesson Model 629, so it's highly uncharacteristic of her. But, the Walther PP is crucial to plot because of the number of shots fired.

Additionally, this is NOT Archer's gun. His gun has still not been named. But, I don't think it is much of a leap to say the 'Walther-looking' gun Malory uses is the same Archer uses...

Also, her's is silenced. A link to a picture is below.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBQW44ccdaGU244X3RrN0dRZFdzV2Zfa1BjVjlQdw [[User:ColtModel1903|ColtMo--Funkychinaman 15:47, 26 February 2012 (CST)--Funkychinaman 15:47, 26 February 2012 (CST)--Funkychinaman 15:47, 26 February 2012 (CST)del1903]] 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

A .32 PPK is actually 7+1. And while it hasn't been named in the show, in the book, for what it's worth, it is specified as a Walther PPK, in .32, with a capacity of 7+1. Malory's gun is the same model as Archer's, so it could be a goof. --Funkychinaman 06:27, 26 February 2012 (CST)
You're right a 32 ACP PPK does hold 7+1, not 6+1, still though, it doesn't fit. According to the show Lana clearly says "Walther PP", and remember there were 9 shots. 5 in the Italian PM, 3 in the door frame, and 1 in Malory's arm. It would've had to be a Walther PP for all those shots. ColtModel1903 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)
It's a goof. It happens. Check out the Mk 2 hand grenade section. We go by what's on screen, not what's in the dialogue. --Funkychinaman 15:47, 26 February 2012 (CST)
Guns are not identified by what they are said to be but as what they actually are (or in this case what they were drawn as) and this pistol is a PPK. When she takes the magazine out you also see that it has 6 holes in it which means it is a 7 round magazine meaning it is either a .32 PPK (which is what it is drawn as) or a .380 PP (or PPK/S I suppose). Either way though, it can't hold the number of shots required for the situation so using this as a means for identifying it is flawed. I would chalk this up to a counting/writing goof.--commando552 15:51, 26 February 2012 (CST)

3. The first picture used for the "Tokarev TT-33" showing Jakov holding the gun to the scientist's head, is clearly not a TT-33. Just look at the hammer, the beaver tail, and the protruding barrel.

I know the caption says that they hadn't 'reworked' the guns yet, but this is too much of a stretch to be considered a TT-33. I think it is just a generic black gun. ColtModel1903 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

I knew it was a stretch. Calling his pistol in the first season a PPK was a stretch as well. --Funkychinaman 06:27, 26 February 2012 (CST)
Well both are stretches, because both are wrong... He probably uses a Walther PP, and not a PPK. And the gun Jakov holds is simply not a TT-33.
Then change it. I just think they meant it to be a TT-33, but didn't know or care enough to make it look like one that early. --Funkychinaman 15:47, 26 February 2012 (CST)

4. The tie-in book specifically refers to Archer's "Chekhov" as a .25 ACP Walther TPH. Wouldn't this be better on the main page than the speculation that is is a NAA Guardian?

The thing is though, it looks nothing like a TPH. We ID guns by what they appear to actually be based on, not by what a semi-official source retroactively says they are. --commando552 (talk) 19:24, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

Unknown revolver

Las Vegas cops are shown with unknown revolvers. There's not enough detail to make a proper ID at the moment.

Archer unknown 01.jpg

Ion Cannon

One of the bad guys in "Space Race Part 2" uses an ion cannon.

M14 vs. M21

Are we sure the rifles Lana and Luke Troy use are, in fact, M14s and not M21s? They have the right scope, and are possibly select fire. --Maxman (talk) 23:27 (EST)

Lana has an M14, you can see the selector switch. Luke Troy has a different gun, there's no selector, and it has an adjustable cheekpad, so maybe a Springfield M1A. I intend to do a season split soon, so I'll review everything. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:52, 2 May 2013 (EDT)

Krenshaw/Kremenski's Luger

The barrel length on Krenshaw/Kremenski's Luger looks more like a longer artillery model. Should it be mentioned on the page? --Maxman (talk) 22:58 (EST)

Molotov Cocktail

Archer used Molotov Cocktails in "Fugue and Riffs" (S04E01).

Which fall under improvised weaponry and are not detailed here. --Maxman (talk) 13:01, 20 March 2014 (EDT)

Anime category

I know I was told to include the Anime tag when I created the page, but it's been two years, the show is well established, and frankly, I think it's more work to explain to people why the Anime tag is there. I don't think we have to worry about this opening the door for western animation, since I think (or hope) our users are savvy enough to recognize that this show is unique enough to warrant inclusion. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

Same. Plus at this point we have plently of other samples of western animation that are granted pages for the same reason as Archer.--PistolJunkie (talk) 12:14, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
Most of the western animation here has been in the form of features, which is a bit of cop-out IMHO. I think the intention was not crack the door for western TELEVISION animation, since people kept trying to make Simpsons and Family Guy pages. (The Family Guy page has been deleted SIX times.) I wouldn't even consider Archer western animation. It's its own thing. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:37, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

FACEPALM

I just discovered the series and it's page... And no one added it to specific guns pages! It's ridiculous, especially considering how carefully Atlantis: The Lost Empire (which has significantly less detailed depiction of firearms) was added to any gun page it should. I have added it to Steyer TMP and Walther PPK (second one only partially), to start with... --Kloga (talk) 15:10, 9 December 2013 (EST)

From the horse's mouth...

Executive producer Matt Thompson did a Q&A at Uproxx, and one of the questions was about weapons:

Q: "I was also wondering why all the weapons used by the ISIS crew are modern day. Yet, judging by the automobiles, it seems the show is set in much earlier decade. Why is that?"

A: "We pick whatever thing looks the best. Mix and match to make up our own time period."

--Funkychinaman (talk) 15:02, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Adding Season Seven to the See Also bumper

How do we add season seven to the "see also" bumper? --Maxman (talk) 18:31, 1 August 2016 (EDT)

I've added it. Easiest way to edit these templates is to open up an edit page for an article that uses it and hit the preview button. At the bottom of the preview page it lists the templates used on the page and from here you can click on the relevant and edit it. --commando552 (talk) 19:21, 1 August 2016 (EDT)

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