Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops II

Live Action Trailers

"Surprise" Trailer"

Taurus Judge

The Taurus Judge stuffed in a "players" vest. This appears to be standing in for the Taurus Raging Judge as the Judge dose not appear in game.

Remington 870

"Zombies? Groovy". A "player" is about to take on a zombie horde with a Remington 870 equipped with a M4 style stock and a pump mounted tac light. Judging by this set up the regular Remington 870 seen here in standing in for the MCS version seen in game.

AK74M

Another "player" in the background with an AK74M due to the indent on the stock. This appears to be standing in for the AN-94 seen ingame.

AKU-94

The AKU-94 seen in the hands of the "player" on the left. This appears to be standing for the fictional "Type 25" seen ingame. Also their are no references to AKUs in American film or TV armories so either this is a very good mockup from a Norinco Type 86S or this is a prop.

M14

Look in the bottom left corner; see that? Its the chalk outline for the M14 in zombies mode.

M14 Rogue Chassis System

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M14 Rogue Chassis System - 7.62x51mm NATO

"Hey buddy."

The front end of the M14.

The scope.

XM8 (Prop)

An XM8 with the fictional "MMS" optic. Due to obvious reason this is definitely a prop.

Milkor MGL Mk 1

Oh you're screwed.

GE M134

CGI rendered M134s on CLAW AI vehicles.

Semtex

The Semtex ready to blow while the guy in the back gives us an epic "oh crap" face.

LG Cinema Trailer

AK Type Rifle

An AK type rifle in the background. Its possible its the AK74M listed above.

For some reason, it gives me Vz. 58 vibes. Spartan198 (talk) 17:04, 23 November 2012 (EST)

M16 Type Rifle

The rifle on the left bares resemblance to an M16 style rifle.

XM8 (Dressed up G36K)

The fictional "M8A1" variant of the H&K XM8 rifle appears in the trailer being wielded by a player. Based on close examination, the rifle can be seen ejecting spent casings and appears to have a hinge where the stock connects to the receiver, suggesting that, unlike the one seen in the Surprise trailer, it could possibly be a live-firing Heckler & Koch G36K dressed up as an XM8 rather than a prop as previously believed.

Older version of Heckler & Koch XM8 - 5.56x45mm

Heckler & Koch G36KV with rail top carry handle - 5.56x45mm

The player firing his G36K. The muzzle flash looks real enough to not be CG.

A close up of the dressed up G36K.

GE M134

An M134 mounted on the CLAW.

A closeup.

Button mashing

Anyone else hate the useless button mashing sequences, I have died about 30 times under that horse by now, just waiting for that idiot to figure out a human can't life a horse hehe. Why do they put them in shooters anyway? --Iceman (talk) 11:52, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Urmmm... And how's that relevant to this page? You're just raging at the game xD --Alisha161Fishy (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2012 (EST)

You're not supposed to mash for that particular section. You need to hold the triggers/mouse buttons to successfully clear that segment. --HashiriyaR32 (talk) 18:05, 15 November 2012 (EST)

The Newest Joke?

Why put up a IMFDB page of this game when it looks clearly like a waste of money - Anonymous User

Because I am loking forward to this game, and cheevo hunting. Besides I am the only biotic organism that plays CoD for the SP and not the multi (well, except for split-screening with my girlfriend). Anyways, I like Call of Duty, and I think this will be cool, and I cannot wait to see what new weapons they will have. - User:1morey May 6, 2012 8:58 AM (EST)

Because we hate you, that's why. Chitoryu12 17:44, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

And he sucks and we hate him. :P Spartan198 18:30, 9 June 2012 (CDT)

Sorry 1morey, but you are not the only "biotic organism" who buy CoD only for the SP campaign XD Lone Soldier

I too like to play CoD single player campaigns. I dabbled a little in MP here and there, but don't really understand what all the fuss is about. If only the developers put in as much time and effort into the SP nowadays, like they used too :( --Ultimagameboy 19:12, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

If IW/Treyarch put as much effort into SP as they do MP these days, we might actually get an SP game as epic, or better than, CoD4's. Even today with my negative opinion of the CoD franchise, I still consider CoD4 to be one of the most epic games I've ever played. This is why I like Battlefield and MoH over CoD, because the devs actually put some effort into SP to make it believable and entertaining instead of just putting millions of random enemies with random guns in front of you in a random location and calling it a story. Maybe the plots of those games weren't as dramatic as Russian paras suddenly falling on suburban USA (if I want to see that, I'll put my Red Dawn Blu-Ray in), but at least they were believable as events that could actually happen in the real world, especially so with them taking place in more or less the present day. While that may not matter to others, it does to me and if I can't accept something happening in reality, I can't get engrossed in it in the game. I call it the "Barney Principle". Spartan198 (talk) 17:02, 23 November 2012 (EST)

XM8?

http://www.charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20120501-070805.jpg

Weapon in the pic looks like a modified XM8 Gonzaga 15:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Looks like the hybrid ACR from RE6 --DeltaOne 15:31, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Looks to just be like a space gun... It "resembles" a XM8 and an ACR, but looks like the SCAR from Crysis. It's just a future weapon. Halorocka888 16:40, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

To be more specific,it appears to be the Malaysian variant of the XM8,the Malaysian variant has no built in scope like on the ones designed for the U.S Army,but a rail instead.however it has extra features of weapons such as the ACR, which Treyarch probably to give their own artistic touch to make it look unique and futuristic.Ziess 22:41, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

In the description, someone wrote that it is based on the M41A1 pulse rifle from Aliens. How? Why? Excalibur01 21:52, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

No response to why somebody say the rifle was based on the Pulse Rifle from Aliens? Also is it me or does the firepower of this gun seem a bit weak? Excalibur01 (talk) 18:34, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Don't know about it being based on the M41A (come on, it's clearly based on the minigun in Predator [/joke]), but I think given a beefier stock, Treyarch's incarnation would actually look good. Its lines do certainly look more pleasing to me than the current version, and I'm probably one of the biggest XM8 critics on this site. Spartan198 (talk) 17:12, 23 November 2012 (EST)

I was just now watching the Cinema commercial on YouTube (hey, if there's one thing IW and Treyarch can do right, it's advertise their games) and caught this.

This "prop" is ejecting a spent casing, which looks legit enough, and the muzzle flash doesn't look like CGI, either (CGI muzzle flashes tend to be quite distinguishable from the real thing, from my TV viewing experience). In addition, you can very faintly make out what looks like a hinge where the stock and receiver connect. Could it be a dressed up G36 rather than a prop? Spartan198 (talk) 07:59, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Yeah, I think that bulky carry handle is there to cover up a real G36 carry handle underneath, and the magwell looks right for a G36 and wrong for an XM8. Though, um...Unless the bottom of the trigger guard is missing, how can he pull the trigger with his finger there? Evil Tim (talk) 08:07, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Another G36 indicator is that the stock is side folding. On the XM8 it is only collapsible. A more accurate XM8 mock up based on a G36 can be seen in XXX: State of the Union. --commando552 (talk) 09:35, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Interestingly the in-game weapon also has a G36-style magwell. Might have used the dressed-up prop as a reference, even. Evil Tim (talk) 11:07, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Strike what I typed previously in this space, I misread Commando's comment and thought he was citing a lack of a folding stock on the M8A1 mock up. My bad. Since there seems to be a consensus, I'm going to change the XM8 prop entry for the Cinema trailer to state that it's a G36 (probably a K, judging by the barrel length and exposed gas block) dressed up as an XM8. The one used in the Surprise trailer looks more like the in-game model, so I'm inclined to say that one is a prop. Spartan198 (talk) 18:23, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Future Warfare

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The game is set in near future, rumours say it's in 2027. Gonzaga 15:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

That's what we've been needing. More future crap. ~ACE

Call Of Recon: Ghost Ops --DeltaOne 15:35, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Well, I've given up on the series now that being on top of five grenades when they go off doesn't kill people.The Wierd It 16:03, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Givern how CoD does with real weapons, watching them making up weapons should be eight kinds of hilarious. Evil Tim 22:10, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

its been confirmed to be set in the year 2025,i would imagine a mixture of real weapons,and Treyarch-created mashups will be includedZiess 22:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

As long as we get (have) to shoot hundreds of rounds full auto at each quadrupedal robot it will apparently be awesome. I hope bullets have no effect on enemies until they suddenly die also. ~ACE

I don't know, as long as the robots acknowledge being hit, a linebreaker enemy that stops you getting bogged down in one place can be good. Resistance: Fall of Man had enemies which would use their superior hitpoints (3+ headshots on normal for grunts with the basic rifles) to advance under fire while firing from the hip, which meant they didn't have to spam grenades at you constantly to stop you staying in one place (also they had Steelheads with guns that shot through walls to help them with that). It actually made the firefights rather more interesting than the headshot = dead standard. Though they at least reacted to being shot (flinched but kept running), it wasn't like STALKER where enemies were either alive or dead and wouldn't acknowledge any state in between (which in Clear Sky where they jacked up Bloodsucker HP ridiculously meant you weren't actually sure you were even hurting them).

In general enemy variety is a huge weakness for modern shooters, since almost everything is 'man with gun.' If they do this right it could actually have far more varied firefights. Or they'll just have it invincible until you find the glowing rocket launcher Private Dies In An Inconvenient Place dropped, which seems more likely all things considered. Evil Tim 14:04, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Dual wielding Javelins. ~ACE

Come On

There is NOTHING warranting a page for this yet. All of you fanboys need to drop your cocks and have a little patience. Would any IMFDB mods put up with this for any other page or project with the same amount of leaked content, being 1, maybe 2 usable pictures? No way; this whole thing strikes me as ridiculous. If there's nothing concrete worth putting on the main page, stick to the Treyarch forums. It's insane how quickly the COD community jumped onto it on IMFDB. It's fucking preposterous to discuss ONE PICTURE for a WHOLE GAME THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED YET. Please, fanboys, calm down, and don't get ahead of yourselves. --ZeoRanger5 16:38, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Finally someone who agrees with me. --Mr.Ice

I can't disagree Bristow8411 17:18, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

The game has been officially announced, there are several pictures on CallofDuty.com --Pistolpete 17:47, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Plus, a trailer is coming out today Gonzaga 18:29, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Trailer released, and I can already see inclusions in the form of the M249. --Jusuchin 19:21, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Trailer Weapon Spots

Weapon spots from the trailer that I found in the new trailer: at 0:30 there is a M134 Minigun (future-ized) mounted on a four legged combat drone, 0:43 there is a tank drone that appears to have a Metal Storm weapon mounted on its left (our right), 1:09 there is a future pistol (seems unrelated to any real world firearm), 1:11 there is a future-ized XM8, 1:18 there is an M16 (which model can't tell though length suggest it is a full length barrel and has 20 round magazine), 1:27 there what appears to be an M249 SAW (or M240), 1:31 there is a soldier with a balaclava firing a bullpup short barreled weapon that bears resemblance to the QBZ-95, at 1:31 or 1:32 (very easy to miss) there is a soldier being blown away holding an AK variant and by the looks of the handguard and flash hider it is an AN-94, at 1:34 in horseback solders are armed with WWII bolt action rifles, at 1:36 the technical is armed with a Dshk hmg, 1:44 hard to make out but rider on the right has an AK pattern weapon, likely an AK-47 since it looks like the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, 1:48 unknown shotgun. That's all I found for now. --DaiTaNam 21:03, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

I have an intuition that the M16 might (and I have empathize this, might) be an A1 variant or a faux XM16 judging solely from silhouette of the upper receiver. The SAW apparently has an Mk 48 Mod 1 styled heat shield and handguard but that doesn't really mean anything, considering how the franchise loves to mix and match different variants. Weapon at 1:32, on the other hand, is definitely an AN-94. At least in aesthetic terms.--BeloglaviSup 01:03, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Isn't it "Kriss USA" instead of "TDI" now?Temp89 08:04, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Possibly, but KRISS ALLCAPS TACTICOOL ARMS is a stupid title and they were TDI first. They only changed it because they've belatedly discovered the mil-spec subgun market is a ghost town if you're not an MP5 and they're only ever going to sell Vectors to mall ninjas. Evil Tim 14:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Designated Arguing/Complaining Area

Before this discussion page turns to chaos like all the other CoD talk pages, let's open up a designated complaint zone. I know many people want to offer their negative opinions about the game, so if you don't have any real discussion topics please post in subheadings here. Hopefully this will allow people who want to actually discuss the game rather than arguing or whining to avoid these comments and have an actual discussion.----JazzBlackBelt-- 22:51, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

What is this going to be like

I have looked at the trailer several times. This is how I think the games success is going to be. A: It will be a huge hit and sell millions of copies like all other COD games or B: It is going to be a complete and total disaster and there will never be another COD game made again in our lifetimes. I find from what I learned from the plot line details that has been released that it is going to feature what the first Black Ops did, except that the flashbacks will be set in the 1980's and the present 2025. I am wondering how Treyarch is going to do that. This will be a very curious COD game that I will be wondering about UNTIL it comes out.--Coltmth 21:58, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

Wow...

I'll start off by saying the obvious- this game looks stupid. I mean, why jump from the 60's to the 2020's? I could see the futuristic idea that they were trying for, but this looks like a Ghost Recon rip-off. I have just lost what little respect I had for Treyarch. As more details become availiable, I might change my mind, but first impressions are not good. As with any game, if it is fun I will play it.----JazzBlackBelt-- 22:51, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

I've lost respect for the Call of Duty franchise after Infinity Ward broke up Excalibur01 23:35, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

After at least one failed Soviet aggression in the late 60s, failed invasion of the Eastcoast US, failed (third time's the charm, right?) invasion of continental Europe within the last three games alone, you'd think the US at least would just get used to getting attacked on a major scale by this point.--BeloglaviSup 01:09, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Well they have, it's pretty clear from MW2 that Russia tries to nuke the US so often in this universe that they didn't even bother with a counter-launch since that would just encourage them. Evil Tim 01:11, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

I can't believe how generic they managed to make their new take on the series. Evil robots, mechs on four legs and choppers with unnecesserly many features. It's basically the same as every futuristic game. On top of it the game looks awful, name doesn't make sense, it looks more over-the-top than MW3. Could Treyarch have mistaken May 1 for April 1? This either is a joke, or will become one.--Z008MJ 05:46, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

What the hell were Treyarch thinking? I was seriously hoping too see what happened to Hudson, Weaver and Mason in Operation Charybdis and maybe if we would get to see how Price started his career. It is often better to go back to basics than too go forward complications. Fixer

What made you so sure that Price was going to be in this game?The Wierd It 08:45, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Modern Warfare is set in a different continuity, and they even wanted to spin it off into an entirely separate franchise. The Call of Duty label was stuck on by Activision as a way of marketing it. Price won't be appearing because he doesn't exist. Chitoryu12 22:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

From what I've read on CoD wiki and heard, 1/3 of the game will take place in the 80s and the rest in 2025--Gran28 09:51, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

@ The Wierd It - the 'intel' at the ending of the final story mission of Black Ops suggest that Mason is being hunted by an SAS team in South Africa lead by a young operative called 'Jonathan' which many people have taken to mean a very young Captain Price Spanner

I think it's very unlikely that they'll have any crossovers between the WaW/BO and MW universes. --Funkychinaman 10:47, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

I know that. I'm wondering where the leap in logic came that took people from one of the more common first names in the English language to "this is obviously meant to be Price". The Wierd It 15:36, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Well, it's positively rational compared to the kind of logical gymnastics that some rumour threads get. "I performed a series of random mathematical actions on this Valve press release and made the number 3! Episode 3 confirmed!" Evil Tim 15:59, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

The first thing I thought when I saw the trailer was that this game was CoD attempting to piggyback on the whole idea of Metal Gear Solid 4. Then I saw the horse sequences and realized I was actually watching an Uncharted 3 trailer. --K 19:51, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

I honestly like the way it's going now. I liked Black Ops better than Modern Warfare because it went to a setting not commonly covered (especially in big-budget titles) and had some more interesting segments than just running through an urban environment shooting dozens of AK-toting terrorists or Russians. I'm interested in seeing how Black Ops II progresses now that they're able to create their own technology (no worries of anachronisms or errors). It's a refreshing change of pace from generic World War II and modern day "realistic" shooters. Chitoryu12 22:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

@ The Wierd It - Ok mate, fair enough I might have jumped the gun. But on what we know from the intel in Black Ops and the character of Price in the MW franchise, ("promising SAS solider named Jonathan" also referred to as Price in the french Black Ops) - basing it on that knowledge, see why I jumped the gun? However, they brought Woods back for this one, when we were all sure he was dead, what's too say a very young Price won't be featuring in this game? Fixer

I still love COD4, great game, but now I refuse to play anything after it. I did play through MW3's story to see the ending, and the MW series' story is pretty good, but the 2 and 3's gameplay is soooooo bad. In every single mission except one, you start with a reflex sight on your gun in MW3. The other mission you have a pistol. I'm gonna follow this page just to see how bad they can make it. I find it really funny how Halo and Mass Effect have guns (and tech) that are more realistic than MW2/BO/MW3/BO2. Hell, not just more realistic, Halo and ME's weapons actually make sense. Alex T Snow 21:23, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

It looks like the US got some help from the Combine with those 4 propeller gunships they have. Maybe we might see an AR1 or a Strider? :D Lurker McNasty 22:12, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

My two cents on the matter

Ok... well, first off, I'll admit that I am a fan of CoD. But from the first glance of this trailer, I think that Activision needs it's old management back, and fire the current management along with Robert Kotick.

Seriously Robert? This is what Black Ops II is going to be? A pseudo-futuristic first person shooter with player-driven choices thrown into the mix?

I was expecting that the next Call of Duty was going to be the inevitable Black Ops II (and if not that, then maybe something different for a change like making the game about a war that many people have forgotten about, like World War I or the Korean War, cause World War II and Vietnam get WAY too much attention). but I was expecting it to dive into details about Black Ops operations in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s when the United States got involved in conflicts during those years AFTER the Vietnam war (a.k.a., Grenada, Panama, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Gulf War I, Bosnian conflicts, etc.). But really, THIS is the best idea that your workers came up with? Some cyberwar between China and the United States?

Ok, from what I've read, there will be some throwbacks to the 1980s in this game, but adding in player-driven choices which affect the outcome of the game is a bad idea. I play Call of Duty for mindless entertainment and for shooting things, not to play over and over for making different moral decisions every time to get all the endings of the game! If I wanted a first person shooter with that theme, I'd go play Fallout 3. (Speaking of which, do you think we're really that stupid to notice that you guys stole "The Vault" name?)

A video game uses the word "Vault" to refer to a location. Must have been stolen from Fallout, since they invented....the English language? Chitoryu12 17:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

As for the weapons... you guys do realize that MANY of these weapons are either still on the drawing board, in the prototype stages, canceled (*cough* XM8 *cough*), or being tested in LIMITED numbers, and that we might not be seeing ANY of them in any future war by the year 2025... right?

it isn't even an xm8, i don't know how it could be a wrong choice for a gun if the gun itself isn't actually a real concept of any kind, its just a futuristic-looking gun designed by treyarch, and what would firing bobby kotick actually do it wouldn't change any of the games because he doesn't make any desicions regarding them, he worries about the money side e.g. the budget, the advertisement. also the creators of fallout didn't actually invent the word vault so i don't really know what the pointless rant was for.--Pistolpete 02:48, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

In the game it's called an M8A1. It's definitely the XM8. It's Treyarch doing what they do. Being creative with things that shouldn't have creativity added. DJCDavisDubstep 16:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

Well... maybe I might give this game a chance when it comes out. But seriously, if this is what all future Call of Duty games are going to follow from this point onward, then I will stick with the older ones instead. --ThatoneguyJosh 22:20, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Hey, thanks to the video game industry, one would think that there may be a chance that the project will get cancelled like many games before it... unfortunately since the Call Of Duty franchise pops out games like a mother rabbit the future seems bleak... --Mikethepanda 01:44, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

I'm pretty sure the game will still have all the mindless shooter nonsense that makes them millions and spawns dozens of poor imitations, but the addition of branching storylines and sandbox gameplay at least makes things more interesting. The Call of Duty formula stagnated with Modern Warfare 2, as it showed that it was little more than repeating the same basic formula with minor changes that add less new content than the average DLC pack. Black Ops at least tried to break from the mold a bit with the helicopter sequences (a throwback to the old games' vehicle segments) and the protagonist not suddenly losing his voice when you look through his eyes. I'm proud of Treyarch for trying to actually do something different and make an interesting game instead of following Infinity Ward and Activision's lead and just making a clone of Black Ops with some new weapons and tweaking the multiplayer. Chitoryu12 17:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

M16A1?

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also the futuristic M4: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120502191412/callofduty/images/5/53/20120502-084241.jpg

The 'futuristic' M4 in the link above appears to be based upon the GR4 G26 airsoft rifle manufactured by Guay & Guay. Shown here for comparison: http://www.titano-shopping.com/immagini/Prodotti/Big/GR4_G26_DST

Yes it looks like that... It's not the first time CoD takes from airosft the looks for the guns

I wouldn't be surprised if they just used that futuristic looking gun for the photoshoot for the poster and it doesn't appear at all in the game itself. --commando552 07:32, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

All those links are broken. Also I saw the recent trailer and the sillohuotte images of the M16 does look like an A1 from the handguard but the pop up trailer on gametrailers.com called it a classic M4 Excalibur01 23:51, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

Classic? It was an M4 before there were any M4s. That's a hipster M4 if there ever was one... Alex T Snow 02:43, 5 May 2012 (CDT)

Speaking of the M16A1, why are we given the A1 in the game. The story mission where the weapon was recommended took place in 1989 in Panama. The standard mag looks like a 20 rounder and it was called the A1. By the 80s, the US Army had already started using 30 round mags and replaced the A1 with the A2. Excalibur01 (talk) 18:33, 14 November 2012 (EST)

I'm surprised they didn't bring back the CAR-15 or whatever that was in the first game Excalibur01 (talk) 18:39, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Rename

Shouldn't the page be renamed to "Call of Duty: Black Ops II". With the Roman numerals, because that's what all official material lists it as. - User:1morey May 5, 2012 8:59 AM (EST)

Naw, since that would put it out of order when they inevitably make Black Ops 3. Evil Tim 08:08, 6 May 2012 (CDT)

A note could be made in the first paragraph though. Alex T Snow 16:36, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

Or the page could simply be named correctly. Who care if the games aren't listed in order of release. Spartan198 (talk) 14:17, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

AK variant during horse scene

Recently revealed production images of Black Ops 2 not only show how seriously Treyarch is taking the precise animation of horses but also that the AK variants they are carrying are actually mo-capped TOYS: http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/05/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-II-Horse-Motion-Capture-2.jpg

Ha, that's the most obvious airsoft horse I've ever seen. Evil Tim 18:40, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Bulldog Assault Rifle

Trailer from BO2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr0Z3RsOmlo

looks like the assault rifle from distric 9 use by the bad guys

Looks like a futuristic QB rifle variant to me.--BeloglaviSup 06:34, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

The name "Type 25" has been mentioned. Could that be it?

Most likely is. In fact, it almost definitely is, but we can't actually confirm that until the game comes out. Also, remember to sign your posts. --BeloglaviSup 05:46, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Preview

A preview mentions the Type 95 and Keltec KSG by name. Will wait for screens. http://www.nowgamer.com/xbox-360/xbox-360-previews/1388343/black_ops_2_campaign_eyeson_with_two_levels_protect_potus_singapore.html

Well hopefully it's the real Type 95 and not the Type 97 misnamed Excalibur01 07:20, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Black Ops 2 Behind the Scenes E3 trailer

The new Behind the Scenes BO2 trailer released at E3 shows a couple of guns, most notably a sniper rifle at 3:18 Link to trailer: http://youtu(dot)be/GElKpJLvKLc

2:08, what looks like a Galil SAR, 2:41, possible MM1 grenade launcher Temp89 05:37, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

In another behind the scenes trailer, there's a KRISS Vector.--Mikethepanda 15:03, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

There's a reason the Vector is called a K10

Apparently, at SHOT Show 2011, a newer, improved, slightly more compact variant of the Vector with a telescoping stock was revealed, called the K10. Here's the source:

http://www.defensereview.com/kriss-k10-super-v-vector-xsmg-submachine-gun-smg-product-improvedupgraded-multi-caliber-subgun-for-special-operations-forces-sof-and-close-quarters-battle-cqb-applications-shot-show-2011-phot/

It does look slightly different from the Vector, though:

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/KRISS_K10_.45ACP_Submachine_Gun_1.jpg

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/KRISS_K10_.45ACP_Submachine_Gun_2.jpg

--Jeddostotle7-- 9:45, 6 July 2012 (PST)

LAPD Shotgun

I don't really think that we can call the fact that the LAPD officers are using the KSG incorrect, since the game takes place in the future. Apparently in the time the game takes place, we will have flying, fighting robots, so it's not too hard to imagine that the LAPD could have switched shotguns. --SmithandWesson36 11:02, 6 July 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. --Jeddostotle7-- 9:48, 6 July 2012 (PST)

Well after talking to some cops, it really depends on the department to say what an officer can have in his car. A lot can get their own personal shotguns in their car after qualifying with it. Not sure about a KSG, but it's possible if approved Excalibur01 18:22, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, it would probably be even more likely to be in use since the game takes place in the future. --Jeddostotle7-- 4:25, 10 July 2012 (PST)

The Unknown Shotgun

The unknown shotgun is actually the Storm PSR (the ridiculous X-Ray Railgun thing), if you look closely at Harper's vest the white dot is from the scope, and it's also been stated by Treyarch that the Storm PSR has three barrels.... --Ghostdigga 21:20, 6 July 2012 (CDT)

Gameplay footage

Well folks, here's a video from E3 showcasing the extended gameplay of Black Ops 2, and what might be expected in the game when it's released: [1] --ThatoneguyJosh 18:44, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

AN-94 in segment taking place in the 80's?

It seems to me that part of the trailer the AN-94 appears in takes place in one of the 80's segments of the game. I shouldn't be surprised, but seriously, this seems like an even bigger anachronism than usual, even though it's not. Anyone else thinking the same? --Jeddostotle7-- 2:57, 10 July 2012 (PST)

You never know just because it was seen in the desert doesn't mean its in the 80's segment of the game.Mr.Ice

That's not what I meant, I just meant if it was part of the main 2025 story line of the game, there probably would have been some kind of future technology. --Jeddostotle7-- 3:14, 10 July 2012 (PST)

Oh yeah, it'll be anachronistic, no doubts there. This is Treyarch, after all. Do you think you'll be seeing anything (non-explosive) from the 20th Century in the future setting? I don't.--Z008MJ 18:28, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I have no doubt there'll be TONS of anachronisms in the 80's parts. I think the QBZ-97 was in the future part, so that's one thing from the 20th century in the future setting. --Jeddostotle7-- 4:41, 10 July 2012 (PST)

I did not see it, are you talking about the fictional Type 25, or did i miss it?--Z008MJ 18:46, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

Go on the page, there'll be a QBZ-97, and then it'll say "Type 25" somewhere else on the page. --Jeddostotle7-- 5:24, 10 July 2012 (PST)

SCAR-L :)

http://k31.kn3.net/D8EA00866.png

Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QP3_8y8uzk

I'm afraid the picture link doesn't work, but the rifle that appears 1:45 is most definitely a SCAR-H. --BeloglaviSup 13:05, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

IMFDB's Fault

Does anyone think that the fact that this game takes place in the future is partly our (IMFDB's users) fault. I bet someone working for Treyarch saw the IMFDB page for Black Ops and how the anachronistic guns are criticized, and thought, "We're anachronistic, are we? Well let's see about being anachronistic when the game takes place over a decade in the future!" --SmithandWesson36 12:46, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

That's.... something to think about for awhile and if they did then either 3arc will be more accurate with the guns or make the guns worst than the first time.Mr.Ice 12:52, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

I don't know why it's such a big deal to everyone, just treat the "game" as a "game" and play it; there are too many over-opinionated comments with the words I DON'T LIKE IT, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE IT LIKE I WANTED IT!!! WAAAAHHH --Pistolpete 16:52, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

To be fair you do know where you are right? Mr.Ice 17:12, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Nah, I highly doubt that anyone at Treyarch or Activision has taken the time to read up about their videogames being featured on this site, and the legit or unnecessary complaints people have made about their past games. IMFDB has been a growing name in the film industry for a while now and this site is often browsed and looked into by those who have made or acted in the films featured on here and many of the administrators (the ones who work in the industry) can vouch for that. But for the gaming industry viewing our site? That's kinda hard to tell or to prove because we really don't have any members on here who work in the gaming industry (although I could be wrong) who can vouch for that. --ThatoneguyJosh 18:44, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

You do realize that I meant this as a joke, right? --SmithandWesson36 18:07, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

"But for the gaming industry viewing our site? That's kinda hard to tell or to prove because we really don't have any members on here who work in the gaming industry (although I could be wrong) who can vouch for that."

I see where you're getting at, but I want to make a point. I was hoping for a bunch of weapons to be in CoJ 3. And more than a handful of them were in the game (or a variant of the weapon). Just to make this clear, I am an admin for the CoJ Wiki, and we have connections to Techland. And I had posted links to the IMFDB CoJ pages on the fan page for CoJ on Facebook (Which Techland frequents). I was hoping for a Skorpion, Benelli M4, SW Model 29, FN FAL, M72 LAW, and FN Five-seveN. They were in the game. I was hoping for a Uzi (Instead, a Mini Uzi), A Sig-Sauer (Instead a SIG Mosquito), Remington 700 ( Instead a Remington M24), MP5 variant (The game had a MP5A2), AR-15 variant (The game had a HK416), Mossberg 500 variant (The game had a Mossberg 500A Field Gun). Now I'm not saying Techland read the page and said "Ph hey, this 1morey guy wants to see these weapons, let's answer his request." That's not what I am saying at all, but I wouldn't doubt they read the page, and used the list as "inspiration". Another user had wanted a Steyr AUG A3. That was a cut weapon.

Anyways, back on topic. I don't doubt some video game companies use this site as inspiration, but if I had to pick one, I would say Infinity Ward, EA, and Treyarch probably don't look at this site at all, I think they just watch a bunch of movies, or see what other games have. - User:1morey August 7, 2012 3:10 PM (EST) I mean if this isn't a coincidence, I don't know what is.

Multiplayer Reveal Trailer

The new trailer for the multiplayer of BO2 just went up, showing a plethora of new weapons: -killerkirill, 19:13 GMT, 07/08/12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrOpWYsp3L8&feature=g-u-u

Well, the good thing at least is that the main page will be considerably shorter and easier to maintain. --BeloglaviSup 14:28, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

Taurus Raging Bull/Dan Wesson???, barrett/steyr sniper?/ Mechem NTW?, SRM Arms Model 1212/1216?, Remington MSR? and lots, lots more. :~P --Pistolpete 17:04, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

This game is going to be worse than Crysis for people coming up with contrived "hybrid" explanations for the guns. That shotgun does look pretty close to a SRM Arms Model 1216 though, even looks like the player is correctly rotating the magazine very 4 shots, never thought I would see that in a game. --commando552 18:25, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

i have played it safe and included the dsr-50 sniper rifle in the page, source= http://mp1st.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-07-at-1.58.00-PM-600x331.png

yellow sniper looks like the Remington MSR, an Ashbury ASW338LM, or an FN SCAR - SSR Mk.20 Mod.0 / Sniper Support Rifle with modifications including bolt action.

--Pistolpete 23:30, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

Looking through screenshots in this article: [url=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/362018/39-black-ops-2-multiplayer-screens-from-the-trailer/?page=1#top_banner]
-LSAT LMG
-AN-94
-QCW-05 known as "Chicom QCB"
-Kriss K-10
-H&K XM8 is known as the "M8A1", this is very clearly seen in screencap 17.
-"Ballista" bolt-action sniper in screencap 18- has an extremely similar first-person appearance to BF3's MKEK JNG-90
-FN Mk.48
-"PDW-5.7" in screencap 12, quite likely a P90 variant, it looks like one, 50 round mag, plus the P90 is a PDW in 5.7 mm. Seen in pic 32 in 3rd person.
-M1216 Shotgun
-Taurus Raging Bull in screencap 12- distinctive sights and red backstrap.
-Unknown in screencap 20
-Screencap 25 is possibly also the "Ballista"? Looks similar but too small.
ArrowTwoActual 13:13, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

It's the FN Ballista, a new-ish rifle designed to compete with the MSR--Recon42 13:37, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

Using steel torsion bar action and firing a 7.62mm log? Evil Tim 13:51, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

Thanks Recon42, I hadn't heard of the FN Ballista before. ArrowTwoActual 16:15, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

For future reference: FNH USA's page on the Ballista.The Wierd It 12:36, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

Image uploaded and ready for use. The Wierd It 12:43, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

This made me remember an interesting thing. I read Treyarch has said there will be no 1980's weapons in multiplayer, but yet the AN-94 is there. Is the information wrong or will the AN-94 not feature in the 80's?--Z008MJ 11:49, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

So, Treyarch is copying BF3 and letting you use iron sights on the sniper rifles, maybe that means they can actually be used to kill people in this one, since long ranged scope rifles were never very practical in the tiny maps of the COD series. --SmithandWesson36 14:40, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

even though call of duty: world at war had unscoped sniper rifles and also, Battlefield copied call of duty with ELITE/PREMIUM service and Spec-Ops mode yet this doesn't help anyone. :~P --Pistolpete 15:18, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

I'm not saying that BF doesn't copy COD, it does, I know that and everybody else knows that. I wasn't saying , "BF is better than COD, because BF is original." The only points I was trying to make was that due to the popularity of non-scoped sniper rifles in BF3, 3arc decided to add this feature and that sniper rifle were not useful in COD multiplayer. WAW didn't really have unscoped sniper rifles, they were infantry rifles that you could mount a scope on, it's the equivalent of putting a sniper scope on an assault rifle in a game that takes place in modern times. --SmithandWesson36 21:09, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

Raging Judge model

I think the Raging Judge that they are basing their model on based on is this one:

Taurus Raging Judge - 28 gauge

This is chambered in 28 gauge shotshells (which is 13.97mm or .550in for those wondering) and was unveiled in 2011 but was blocked (for valid reasons in my opinion) by the BATFE so it never entered production. Despite this, the fact that the gun in the game has a five round unfluted cylinder as opposed to the 6 round fluted cylinder on the .454 production model indicates that this was their source material. --commando552 15:42, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

So, um...Were they trying to beat the Maadi-Griffin in the stupid handgun cartridge arms race? I'm calling it, someone's going to have made a handgun that fires 20mm Hispano by 2020. Evil Tim 16:24, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

"A Taurus Raging Judge, identifiable by the red stripe along the handle..." Doesn't the Taurus Raging Bull have the same stripe on the grips? Is there anything else to prove that this is a Raging Judge and not a Raging Bull? --Funkychinaman 18:08, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

It does also say "Raging Judge" in the bottom right corner of the HUD. --commando552 18:21, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

Well, that would do it then. --Funkychinaman 18:24, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

Weapons once the game is released

Once the game is released, and after a few days, the page is mostly completed, should we mention for the weapons which ones are based on the actual weapons, and which ones are just "futuristic" versions of the weapon. Anyone get what I'm saying.

Like the Chicom QCB, is that really a QCW-05, or is that a futuristic gun modeled after the QCW-05? I figure the TDI Kard is a TDI Kard, because it does't really need mocked up that much, since the real-life weapon looks futuristic already. - User:1morey August 14, 2012 12:03 PM (EST)

Weapon selection video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fuba3mPotE

DSR-50 | SVU | Ballista

fictional M1216 | Saiga 12 | Remington M870 RCS

LSAT | QBB-95 | Mk48

Skorpion EVO A3

KARD | FNP-45 Tactical | Taurus | futurised M93R

M8A1 | SMR (futurised AUGA3?) | futurised Type 95 | SA58 | SIG556 | SCAR-H | AN-94

Milkor MGL | futurised Stinger | handheld GAU-19/A

A-10 | Commanche Temp89 04:53, 15 August 2012 (CDT)

B23-R Nomenclature

Could B23-R stand for " Beretta 2023 Raffica"? It's very similar to other Beretta pistols, so I guess that's a reasonable guess Gonzaga 18:42, 15 August 2012 (CDT)

I don't think so, as to me I think it is a 1911 based pistol. The shaoe of the rear of the slide, the hammer and the trigger look very 1911-ish to me. Also, I just want to point out that the comment about the two ejection ports makes absolutely no sense. First off, I don't think it is a second ejection port, but is simply where the top of the slide has been removed showing the exposed barrel (think the Beretta 92 but with a bridge in front of the ejection area). Secondly, how would having an ejection port in front of another make it possible to eject the cartridges out the other side? The slide would have to travel back further to line the chamber up with this second ejection port for one thing which I can't see being possible. The layout of this gun is pretty standard so I don't think it will be doing anything crazy, and regardless this feature would have absolutely no utility or point in a game.

M249 SAW and MK48 are the same

Look at the gas regulator plug of the so called M249 SAW. It is clearly from an Mk 48. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 17:17, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

Can we PLEASE change it?

Could we please get rid of the two ejection ports bullshit from the B23-R section of the page? Jeddostotle7 17:45, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

If you want to change it, then change it. I doubt anyone is going to argue with you. --SmithandWesson36 17:59, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

Hm, looks like someone already did. Jeddostotle7 18:37, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

AN-94

I like the comment under the pic of the AN-94 reloading that says it has 5.56 rounds in the mag, so it could be a fictional export version. It could be, OR more reasonably, the developers decided to ignore the calibers and modeled the same cartridges in all of the assault rifles' magazines. --SmithandWesson36 12:51, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

It's the later. And even if it happens to be the former, I doubt they would care enough to give an explanation ingame. But they stopped caring about these 'tiny details' a long time ago.--BeloglaviSup 13:52, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, it seems they are so many overspeculations on this page, like the how it says the B-23 is possibly a Beretta. Why, because it has the letter B, it doesn't really look like any Beretta design. --SmithandWesson36 14:43, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

To be honest, in my opinion the 'B23R' doesn't actually resemble, outside of it's name, any real specific pistol. It's just a chimera of different futuristic parts that fulfills the same gameplay niche as the Beretta 93R from the previous titles.--BeloglaviSup 15:00, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

Sorry about that comment, I noticed the rounds were 5x56MM NATO. The part about it being an export version was unnecessary for me to write, it's much more reasonable that it's just lack of detail by the developers.

ArrowTwoActual (talk) 15:54, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

Beta leak

I know it can't be used on the main page, but for those who are planning on playing the game and are curious about the weapons, 7 new ones were found in the leaked beta build, here's a video of them. --Ghostdigga (talk) 21:20, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

Ahh, the return of select-fire. Missed it from the original COD and the United Offensive expansion. --HashiriyaR32 (talk) 07:52, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

Text confirms that the Taurus does actually fire the 28 gauge shotgun shells it is meant to. This surprises me, I assumed they just based the model on the wrong image. --commando552 (talk) 04:38, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

m27 iar, scar type lmg, and i would say the rpg was airtronic due to this pic: look at the solider on the left

http://cdn.medialib.oxm.co.uk/screens/screenshot_30711.jpg --Pistolpete (talk) 09:47, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

Five-seveN, MTAR, M27 and FN HAMR spotted. Temp89 (talk) 09:17, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

http://www.charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/120918a.jpg

H&K m27

On the cod wikia i found the m27 i know the hk416 m27 variant so i identified it as the actual m27 no real modification to make it look futuristic their calling it an assault rifle (facepalm) there's a picture on there I don't know to upload pictures on here though.--Blueboy1600 (talk) 18:45, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Eh, if they're using an M27 with a 30-rounder and calling it an AR I wouldn't really call that wrong per se, since the M27 is only a SAW because the USMC is issuing it as one (much like the QJY-88 is issued as a GPMG even though it's actually an LMG). Evil Tim (talk) 08:00, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, I agree, and most Marines that were issued it are using it as an AR, apparently, because it essentially is. Also, person above Evil Tim, please sign your name by pressing the signature button at the top or putting four of this: ~ after your name. Jeddostotle7 (talk) 10:18, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Yeah sorry i need to remember that i know how to do just forgot but i also facepalmed but its not a 30 round capacity i found that out it appears to be but its going to have a 50 round capacity granted there are 50 round AR mags but still combined with extended clip and all that other COD BS it might as well be an LMG. --Blueboy1600 (talk) 18:45, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

New footage of the m27 in the zombies gameplay trailer on top on a bus also new footage of the m1216 and the pdw 57 and what appear to be the tar 21 or QBZ-97 in the video --Blueboy1600 (talk) 20:25, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

The M27 is not an assault rifle. It is a Squad Automatic Weapon, which can be considered as a sub-category of the machine gun group. Magazine size has nothing to do with its classification. The Minimi or RPK will not be "denoted" to an assault rifle is you use it with a 30-round STANAG/AK magazine. The M27 is the same as the FN HAMR - which is listed as a MG.... bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 05:29, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

The thing is SAW is a weapon role, not a weapon type; if you issued the M1911 to squad support gunners it would be a SAW (it would just be a terrible one). There is no mechanical reason to not call the M27 an assault rifle, just as there's no mechanical reason to not call the QJY-88 a light machine gun. Evil Tim (talk) 05:56, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

You could argue that the M27 is optimised for the SAW role by supposedly having a heavier weight barrel, but as the weight increase is only something like 40g I think this is actually a myth. I believe the only physical difference between an HK416 D16.5RS and the M27 IAR are the handguard being 11" long rather than 9" which means that the bayonet lug is also a separate piece placed further forward on the barrel rather than the HK 416 which mounts the lug on the gas block, the bolt carrier has a captive firing pin retaining pin, the fire selector is ambidexterous and the bolt handle is ambidextrous (not double sided but can be switch sides at an armourer level). None of these modifications are what I would deem to be SAW modifications, with the possible exception of the longer handguard allowing a separate vertical grip and bipod to be used more easily, so i you were classifying the weapon on its characteristics rather than role I would put it as an AR. --commando552 (talk) 06:28, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

Yeah.... also it looks like it has a combined bayonet lug / gas block and some sort of step in the barrel, so I would say that it is not even a real M27 but a HK416. Now *that* should definitely go to the rifles. bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 07:07, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

Are there any images out yet of it apart from the gear screen image on the COD Wiki? From that image it also looks like it has the shorter 9" handguard used on the standard HK416 rifles. Barrel is throwing me a bit as it looks like it might have the M4 profile barrel that is on the 14.5" rifles, but in terms of length it looks like it is a 16.5" barrel which should be straight. --commando552 (talk) 08:20, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

What seems odd to me is how a heavy assault rifle/light machine gun has higher mobility than others in it's class Gonzaga (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

I found this odd too, the M27 IAR would be heavier and hence more stable in automatic fire than the other ARs, not lighter/better mobility. The barrel is somewhat confusing, it looks to be shaped after a stepped AR-15 carbine barrel but too long. ArrowTwoActual (talk) 15:50, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

FN HAMR

Along the same lines as the M27, I think the "FN HAMR" is actually just a regular SCAR that they are mis-naming. The main difference between the regular SCAR and the HAMR is the fact that the lower handguard on the HAMR is deeper to accommodate the gubbins that switches the gun from closed bolt to open bolt when the barrel gets hot. The game gun has the same lower handguard as on a regular scar, with the bottom of the rail being at the same height as the bottom of the front push pin. Also the flash hider is not the one used on the HAMR, but is instead the one from a SCAR-H. If it is the case that this a regular SCAR, do we put it in the AR category because that is what it is? --commando552 (talk) 06:56, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

Yes, and now that you mention it also has the SCAR-like vent holes.I am gonna change it to SCAR-L and the M27 to HK416 too. bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 07:57, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

Pointless weapon stats

Has anyone noticed how pointless the stats are in the COD series? Seriously these stats are so generic and so open ended to interpretation that I find it hard to compare one gun to the other. In fact I have seen two guns on the roster here alone, one of which has better stats in terms of "blocks" than the other so why would I bother using the other weapon? On top of that they dont seem to match weapon caliber to damage. Ex a MP5 should be the same damage as a Glock 17 but they arent because the Glock is a pistol and the MP5 is a SMG (I know these arent in this game just bare with me). That and why is it that from a distance (straying off topic I know) shotgun pellets seem to disintegrate completely? I love these games but Furry they need better gun designers to look into this--A single bullet can change history (talk) 18:44, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

The weapon stats have an alarming tendency of being BLATANT LIES. Denkirson runs a xanga page with weapon stats from all the COD games since the first Modern Warfare, and noted how the stat bars in that game were occasionally inaccurate/vague (G36 being more accurate than the M4. The G36 simply has less sight sway, and is not necessarily more accurate) or outright lying (G36 being more powerful than the M4. This is untrue. Both guns have the same 30max-20min damage values.) --HashiriyaR32 (talk) 20:10, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

@HashiriyaR32, not only that, but I also hated how for some reason for example in COD4 how the M9 has less damage than the MP5, while they are both chambered in the same cartridge! I feel that videogames should use the caliber of the weapon to help define stats. For example the damage and range would be the same across all weapon types (because of the cartridge) but should defer in magazine size, recoil, accuracy, and reload speed. Its reasons like this why handguns are so underused in multiplayer--A single bullet can change history (talk) 15:26, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

While "damage" can never be perfectly done in games, Battlefield 3's weapon damages are all based of calibre. It's still a game and not a simulator, but it's one of the best out there. Alex T Snow (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

@Alex T Snow, yeah, forgot about that, honestly havent played BF3 in a while but as memory serves it is more "realistic" with its weapons.--A single bullet can change history (talk) 16:09, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Just FYI, an M9 should cause less "damage" than an MP5. An MP5 has a longer barrel meaning that it generates a higher muzzle velocity and hence muzzle energy (which is the simplest analogue to damage). Some stats in these games make no sense, like weapons with the same barrel length and caliber having different damages, but in this particular case they got it broadly correct. --commando552 (talk) 16:40, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Just found a clear example of how the weapon stats are pointless. Under the sniper rifles the two in question are the DSR 50 and the XPR 50. It clearly shows that the DSR 50 has better stats in all categories compared to the XPR 50, so the question is if there is a weapon that clearly has better stats then why should I bother using the other weapon (FYI I am a COD veteran and know that sometimes these stats have to be tested out). Anyone have any opinions regarding this example? --A single bullet can change history (talk) 15:17, 5 November 2012 (EST)

That one's easy, the DSR-50 is a bolt action whereas the XPR-50 is semi-auto. I would also guess that the XPR-50 might have a large magazine based on how the weapon image looks. --commando552 (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2012 (EST)

@Commando552, thanks for the info, I guess that does answer a little, but don't you think that they should have placed the ammunition capacity? Or at least make the distinctions more apparent? I mean J.C! I literally was using my pen on the screen trying to count each of the different squares.--A single bullet can change history (talk) 16:37, 5 November 2012 (EST)

If you see any references to rates of fire or kill ranges, just be aware that I'm getting them from this image. It's based on the day-1 patch. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6712/bo2weaponchartv102.png --HashiriyaR32 (talk) 20:32, 18 November 2012 (EST)

I'm fairly sure those are the multiplayer stats, since the SMR is still fullauto even if you don't choose select fire in single. Evil Tim (talk) 04:31, 19 November 2012 (EST)

They are. The full-auto fire mode is the default for the SMR, FAL OSW, JS Type 05, SG556, and XM8 in single-player mode. --HashiriyaR32 (talk) 10:09, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Unknown Assault Rifle

I was watching the launch trailer for the game and I caught this gun. Not sure what it is, so any help will be hot SeanWolf

That is a Saiga 12 shotgun (according to the game). - bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 17:32, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Looks like an AK-12 to me http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Ak-12.jpg --Doom-generation (talk) 20:43, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

And while it is indeed a super tactical, commando grade, hand made for the operators by the dwarves of Moria, it is just a Saiga with aftermarket HK style back sights and rails slapped on like there's no tomorrow. But that's hardly the most worrisome thing by now.--BeloglaviSup (talk) 02:30, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

Well, honestly, I think it would be dumber to have an elite operator using a plain weapon than a modified one like that. Especially since in this game you actually get to use side rails (with Laser Sights, though I think that's it), the 4-sides rails system doesn't seem exaggerated like in the past ones. Gonzaga (talk) 21:09, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

Certainly so, although I am baffled by the decision as to why decided to make it look so 'westernized' (HK sight, rails more typical for aftermarket then modern military use... etc.) if it's a (I assume) firearm of the opposing force. --BeloglaviSup (talk) 08:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)

Well Russian special forces (and police) have been known to put American aftermarket parts (Magpul stocks, EOTechs, stuff like that) on their weapons, but I don't think they'd go extreme with it though. Example: M4 style stock --Ghostdigga (talk) 17:51, 5 November 2012 (EST)

Live action trailer just released

So... now there's a live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, and it looks pretty impressive. It's got quite a few celebrities in it as well as a few YouTube personalities, along with some of the modern and futuristic weapons that will be seen in the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wIZp_E2CxQ

Surprised FPS Russia didn't say 'Have nice day.'-Survivalkid21

SPOILERS: Full walkthrough leaked

As usual, Game Anyone has leaked a full walkthrough of the game. You can at least make a note of the weapons for later. Already seen a Hawk MM1 grenade launcher, a full size MP5, and the FAL is back and has a select fire option. http://www.gameanyone.com/video/505480 Chitoryu12 (talk) 18:36, 6 November 2012 (EST)

Rifles Fal | Galil | M16A1 | "AK47" (AKM?)

SMGs MP5A3 | AK74U | Uzi

Shotties Olympia over and under | SPAS 12

LMGs RPD | M60 | Minigun (same one as Vorkuta)

Snipers M82A1 | SVD Dragunov

Pistols 1911 | Makarov PM | Browning HP

Launchers RPG7 | Stinger | MM1

I believe there is no Type 97 and only the fictional Type 25 in the game.Temp89 (talk) 18:11, 7 November 2012 (EST)

• • There's two different kinds of miniguns: there's the handheld minigun from the first Black Ops, and a new "Death Machine" that looks to be a futuristic one. The LSAT machine gun also has a digital ammo counter like the Aliens pulse rifle. Chitoryu12 (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2012 (EST)

No optics

It's kinda straight that in the future, none of the characters around you carry their guns with any sort of attachments on their weapons. No optics, grips or anything. The flashback scenes in the 80s make sense because electronics were not big at the time. It was more strange still for us to be carrying a gun with a red dot sight Excalibur01 (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2012 (EST)

It's especially odd, considering all the weight and bulk of RIS, to put nothing on it at all. Hmm. Well this is CoD, after all. ArrowTwoActual (talk) 13:00, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Not always true. A lot of the other series have optics on certain of your buddies. Other points where we have the odd no optics are pick up weapons off some enemies. It's kinda weird that some of the mercs and the Chinese who uses more advanced weapons have no optics on their guns. When you play a different SEAL in the Strike missions, some times you start off with a gun that has no optic on it. This is the future, optics are the way of the future, especially for Spec Ops guys Excalibur01 (talk) 18:30, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Realism

I know this is just a game that should be played for fun but... Come on, here we can see that the player just destroyed a tank with a FIM92 Stinger while riding a horse and he has 19 more Stingers on him. I'd like to see him with 19 launchers on his back. I think it beats any other nonsense in a game that has real firearms--Gr3gory (talk) 15:29, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Of all the things that is kinda weird and stupid in this game, you pointed this out? Excalibur01 (talk) 16:25, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Actually, it's very realistic. Didn't you know that every real-life Black Ops operator has a small army of invisible midgets that carry all their extra ammo? --Commander Lukas (talk) 17:14, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Eh, certain kit configurations in MGS4 can result in Snake carrying three or more tons of rocket launchers. Naw, the one that really annoyed me was "fast mag" but "extended clip." Why did they have to get it right and wrong in the same game? The invisible long barrels and foregrips and unchanged high-cap magazines kinda irritated me, too. Still, nice to see they're finally trying to put the fire selectors in the right positions and have magazines with actual ammo in them. Evil Tim (talk) 08:14, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Thinking about it, the most likely answer (especially in light of the awesomely silly commie land battleship at the end) is that it was originally intended as a future level with a futuristic multi-mode rocket launcher, but either they thought the horse was silly in the future or there weren't enough past levels, so it ended up being a magic dual-mode Stinger. Evil Tim (talk) 04:38, 17 November 2012 (EST)

AN94 missing magazines

At the beginning of Achilles' Veil, when you walk slowly with Menendez, if you look around at all the AN94s, most of them don't have magazines attached. Excalibur01 (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2012 (EST)

They may be acting in a ceremonial capacity, and are carrying their weapons unloaded. Only Menendez (and possibly the few soldiers outside with him) expected the American assault, and would have been prepared to fire on the VTOLs and Yemeni troops. Chitoryu12 (talk) 03:17, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Naw, I've got shots of them actually aiming the things at the VTOL when it arrives, have to check again to see if any of the empty ones fire but I think they do. Evil Tim (talk) 08:32, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Yeah, I thought for a second about the ceremonial angle, but when Menendez shoots down a VTOL, most of the soldiers around him were missing mags in their rifles Excalibur01 (talk) 12:23, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Considering the scale of the apparent error, then, it may be intentional. It would be hard for something like models with missing magazines to make it past testing. I'm willing to bet ceremonial, since I've seen many times where soldiers acting as ceremonial guards will carry their rifles unloaded and with no magazine. The function that's occurring would make sense for this action. Chitoryu12 (talk) 03:26, 17 November 2012 (EST)

Yeah, but again, they aim rifles with no magazines at things, though I'm going back through now to get more screencaps and check if they actually fire them without magazines. It might just be a spawning bug, and a visual error a good 70% of users won't even notice is going to get flagged as "low priority" even in the likely case that the QA team spotted it. Evil Tim (talk) 04:39, 17 November 2012 (EST)

Yeah, I noticed this during my playthrough. I was using an AN-94 on this level, and in first person my gun had no magazine. It reappeared during my reload, and disappeared afterwards. I was going to grab a screenshot and uypload it, but it appears I've been beaten to it :P Nikonov (talk) 09:05, 20 November 2012 (EST)

Terminology note

"The first game" = World at War, not Black Ops.

"The previous game" should not be used, since it's confusing as to whether that's MW3 or Black Ops. Evil Tim (talk) 08:48, 18 November 2012 (EST)

By that standard, "the first game" would mean Call of Duty 1, so I would say just use the full name of the game in question. Animalmenace (talk)

STORM PSR Sniper Rifle

is it just me or did the makers of call of duty: black ops II put in the em-1 railgun from the movie eraser? the scope may not see in MRI mode, but it can see in thermal or infrared or whatever they call it in the game, but i enjoyed it immensely. i love the game.

As I recall this actually was something Metal Storm Inc were suggesting their technology could do back when they were touting their million RPM rig to everyone who would listen; a superfast burst would potential result in multiple projectiles hitting the same position for very high penetration. Trouble was the superfast Metal Storm guns have issues with minor things like not exploding because gun barrels really don't like it when you fire a round while the previous one is still inside the barrel. They came up with some complicated venting system to solve that, but realised it basically removed all the advantages Metal Storm was supposed to have (in that it was more complex and meant the weapon had more moving parts than a normal gun) and so went over to stacked-round mortars, GLs and that underbarrel shotgun they have. Evil Tim (talk) 04:54, 20 November 2012 (EST)

New Screenshots

I just added a few screenshots for some of the missing weapons (MP5A3, Beretta M682, SPAS-12, M1216, Type 25, M8A1, SIG 556) let me know if there's anything wrong with them and I'll take better ones. I had shots for the HAMR( SCAR-L) and the SCAR-H but they didn't turn out well so I didn't upload them. Nikonov (talk) 10:33, 20 November 2012 (EST)

It's ok, I've got about three thousand screenshots and pretty much everything covered, and I think I'm running higher resolution and settings. If you want something to do, though, you could try making the World at War page...Well, "less awful" would be a start, even. Evil Tim (talk) 12:55, 20 November 2012 (EST)

I have recently acquired a physical copy of World at War so I'll see what I can do about in game screenshots. --BeloglaviSup (talk) 09:04, 25 November 2012 (EST)

Well, I was running everything on Max but I don't think FRAPS likes Black Ops 2 very much because everything turned out low-res. And I don't own World at War, so I can't really contribute to it's page :P Nikonov (talk) 13:32, 20 November 2012 (EST)

You shouldn't really need FRAPs, if you're running it through Steam it has its own screenshot key and even if you're not there should be a "take screenshot" command in the control settings. Though as said, I've got this one covered so we don't really need anyone else getting caps for it anyway. Thanks for the effort, though. :) Evil Tim (talk) 13:37, 20 November 2012 (EST)

I use FRAPS because I can save the images as .PNGs because I take a lot of game screenshots for my blog, and as far as I know Steam only does .JPGs. But Yeah, I'll keep an eye out next time I'm grabbing screenshots so I don't step on any toes. Nikonov (talk) 11:04, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Fun with old models

So, the Kurzer 8 cm Granatwerfer 42 model is seven years old. For those wondering if this is some kind of record, it's got a long way to go; I believe the record for officially recycled art assets is Castlevania, which got a Medusa Head sprite in Rondo of Blood in 1993 and recycled it until Order of Ecclesia in 2008. Evil Tim (talk) 08:13, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Could someone explain this if possible?

I don't have the game, so forgive me if i am missing something obvious, but i have noticed several confusing things in the various gameplay videos.

First of all, why does some guns not eject casings? I know guns can eject downwards but no casings are left on the floor. This seems to apply to all Chinese weapons, the MTAR-21, SMR and PDW-57. I know it could be a mistake on the developer's part but it seems so obvious, am i missing anything?

Secondly, regarding the PDW-57, the above could potentially make sense as the casings are left in the magazine even when it has been fired empty. But it seems impractical, and why are they all in the same place no matter how many shots have been fired? Do they move in a circle around the inside of the magazine?

Thirdly, how does Fast Mag work on Shotguns with tube magazines?

Also, can 1980's weapons, when used in the future levels after completing the game, use futuristic attachments?

Finally, why does some videos decipt the KSG reloading one shell at a time and others two shells at a time?

Thanks in advance. Z008MJ (talk) 18:54, 24 November 2012 (EST)

Fast mag for the tube-magged shotguns makes it so that you reload two shells at a time. 1980s weapons cannot use futuristic attachments even in the 2025 missions. They have their own set of attachments.--HashiriyaR32 (talk) 19:01, 24 November 2012 (EST)

The bullpup weapons have the ejection port where it generally isn't even on-screen when the weapon is shouldered, so there's no way you'd see ejected brass. PDW-57 is probably supposed to eject down like the P90. They probably just didn't bother with a brass effect you'd hardly ever see, and it's not like the series is exactly big on getting brass right (see also every revolver reload ever).

PDW-57 just isn't animated, game P90s almost never are and in general a transparent magazine will just show a fixed number of rounds inside it. While you can cycle rounds back into a magazine after firing (aircraft cannons sometimes do it) it would be impractical in a weapon that wasn't belt fed because you'd have to have the weapon basically eject spent casings back into its own magazine. Evil Tim (talk) 05:22, 25 November 2012 (EST)

It is very rare in games to see a P90 cartridge cycle. The one that I am known to is the Rainbow Six Vegas series. More games should have this feature and take away the ammo counter on screen, use visual cues. --A single bullet can change history (talk) 17:52, 26 November 2012 (EST)

MGS4 does it, too. But the ammo counter is mainly there because your character is supposed to be a soldier, and so he'd have some sense of the weight of his weapon and be more focused on how many rounds he's fired than the player. It's like, say, a minimap is supposed to substitute for your character's knowledge of the area they're in; it's much easier to have the character pass their knowledge to the player rather than expecting the player to BE the character. Evil Tim (talk) 03:06, 27 November 2012 (EST)

Thanks for the answers, both of you. Very much appreciated. Z008MJ (talk) 15:02, 25 November 2012 (EST)

Overall thoughts on the game...

So I managed to pick up a copy of the game, and I played it several times through, and well... it was pretty impressive to say in the least.

The strong points of the game are pretty much as follows: the pre-mission weapon customization, being able to drive/command vehicles, the developers making an attempt at providing more details on the weapons, players getting the opportunity to use every weapon on any mission (even if it doesn't fit the time period), a pretty damn good musical soundtrack, giving the protagonists and antagonists better personalities and character depth rather than just presenting them as wooden beings who follow orders or one-track objectives, and finally, presenting a story that can end in a different number of ways depending on your choices, was understandable for the most part, and how such a story could possibly one day happen in real life (Cause let's be honest here folks, there are people out there in the world like Raul Menendez who wish to create chaos and anarchy (for whatever purpose suits them), and yet they claim to 'fight for the oppressed', and are viewed and praised as 'heroes', 'revolutionaries' and 'saints' by the people that are often called 'the 99%' in today's fast-changing society of ours... [interesting Occupy Movement reference there, Treyarch]).

Call of Duty: Black Ops II definitely qualifies to be on the list of "Top X best games of 2012", and perhaps the better Call of Duty game that not only ranks up there along with Call of Duty (2003) and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (at least I think so, feel free to disagree), but also the better Call of Duty game that Activision has made in the past 5 years. I hope that the next batch of Call of Duty games are just as good as this one was. --ThatoneguyJosh (talk) 04:45, 28 November 2012 (EST)

Aside from Menendez's back story and his organization, the story was pretty good. I need the game to explain what the villain is apart of and what they represent Excalibur01 (talk) 14:04, 28 November 2012 (EST)

Why is the SCAR-H model listed as being too thin?

I don't find the in-game model to be thinner than it really should. What are we going by? The top parts of both the SCAR-H and the SCAR-L have the same width due to both of them having the same Picatinny rail on top. RadicalDisconnect (talk) 02:39, 1 December 2012 (EST)

I looked at it too. I've handled a SCAR-17S and it isn't "bulky" really Excalibur01 (talk) 20:57, 1 December 2012 (EST)

I suggest removing that line, as I don't find the rifle to be too thin at all. I think the illusion came from the fact that the Picatinny rails have more slots in them than in previous games. RadicalDisconnect (talk) 08:11, 12 December 2012 (EST)

Reloadings are incorrectly described ....

Both the USAF M16 and MP5A3 sections states the magazines are empty/solid when reloading, while after lenthy examination, i have found all weapons to feature bullets in their inserted magazines. It also seems that the previous magazine visibly features bullets when reloading from non-empty and no bullets when reloading from empty. This includes the M16 and MP5. It does however seem like this was overlooked on Fast Mags. Can whoever took the MP5 images specify if he was using Fast Mag in the image thet claims it is solid?

Otherwise this should be pointed out somewhere on the page instead. Z008MJ (talk) 20:18, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Fast mag on the M16 but I don't think so on the MP5 (edit: checked, it's a fast mag there too), I'll have to go in and check again next time I'm off work (that'll be sunday). Caption for the M16 does specify that the magazines in the screenshot are empty, it doesn't say they always are. Incidentally if you're wondering why there's a lot of shots from "Old Wounds," it's the one where they give you guns the fastest. Evil Tim (talk) 03:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)

While it doesn't say it is always empty, it does give that impression. I thought so until i checked myself. Maybe just pointing out somewhere that Fast Mag lacks detail could perhaps be useful. Z008MJ (talk) 07:55, 7 December 2012 (EST)

I'll get some extra shots on sunday for it. It's pretty hard with the MP5 because the mag's not actually on screen for very long (same with Far Cry 3 and finding SPAS reloads where there's a cartridge on-screen, it seems) but I have a stupid mouse with one button set to screenshot so I will stupid at the game until it loses. Evil Tim (talk) 08:43, 7 December 2012 (EST)

Learned some things

Drift0r's BO2 vids have taught me something that we could probably add to the main article. I mentioned, correctly, that Select Fire alters handling characteristics, and full-auto is usually slower than burst (we already know of one case that isn't true). What I just found out is that a select-fire Vector has identical burst and full-auto ROFs, and its burst mode is a 2-round burst, like the AN-94, and unlike all the other SF-enabled burst modes of other full-auto weapons. Also, I managed to find a more recent version of the BO2 weapon chart, and the mentioning of the SIG 556's damage profile being altered in full-auto mode (via SF) is no longer true. It now has identical max-min damages (40-24) in both burst and full-auto. What is still true is that it still suffers a reduction in its 3 and 4 hit kill ranges.--HashiriyaR32 (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2012 (EST)

Protection level

This page should not be infinitely protected from editing, it can still be improved. The Modern Warfare 3 page is also still protected. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:54, 21 December 2012 (EST)

You can suggest changes here, both pages are likely to attract stupidity. This page will be finished shortly, I just need to find time to sift through the rest of my screencaps. I know about the 92SB in MW3, I'm going to add it when I get around to getting a screencap, should all be done over the weekend. That aside MW3 is complete and 99% of edits to it will be either adding worthless or incorrect information. Please don't dictate what our protection policy should be, it is policy to fully protect high-traffic pages. Rambo III has been sysop protected for the last three and a half years. Evil Tim (talk) 11:44, 21 December 2012 (EST)

Okay, the M16A4 should be added, as it is seen during a cutscene in which Woods strangles a Viet Cong soldier with the rifle, yet it is not obtainable during gameplay. The SMR also turned out to be a true Saritch 308 (or at least with a slightly modified appearance like the XM8, but not just a fictional weapon based on it), due to this evidence given in the Call of Duty Wiki:
- "In Zombies, Marlton comments on how the SMR uses .308 rounds, just like the Saritch 308
- On ELiTE, [...] the default file name was 'Saritch'
- SMR possibly stands for 'Saritch Modular Rifle' or 'Saritch Marksman Rifle'".
Also, the KAP-40 is described in the IMFDB page as "a fully automatic handgun based on the TDI Kard", yet I don't find any major difference between them (unless the full-auto fire mode is incorrect); its mechanism and caliber (.45 ACP) are also the same as the real TDI Kard, so I believe that it is indeed a TDI Kard. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 03:35, 22 December 2012 (EST)

Would the "40" in "KAP-40" not imply somewhat that the pistol is chambered in a .40-calibre round, such as .40 S&W? I know it's a trivial thing, but that's the first thing that came to my mind upon hearing the name. --Dirty Harold (talk) 07:31, 22 December 2012 (EST)

No, because the left hand side of the KAP-40 says ".45 ACP" --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:29, 22 December 2012 (EST)

Ah, right--upon examining the gun more closely, I can see where it says that. Seems as though "KAP-45" would have been a more appropriate name given the circumstances. --Dirty Harold (talk) 11:04, 22 December 2012 (EST)

I'll check for the M16 tomorrow, the SMR isn't really all that similar to the Saritch (it's about the same shape, but it looks like it's been built out of features of other guns like the B23R; it's about as close as the Type 25 is to any of the QB rifles) and the KAP is obviously based on the Kard but has, among other things, completely different join lines, a differently shaped grip, a TDI Vector fire selector (since the real one has no full-auto functionality) and a stupidly out-of-reach Vector bolt release. Evil Tim (talk) 04:47, 22 December 2012 (EST)

That's right, the SMR seems to contain parts of the Vulkan M2T Ukrainian experimental assault rifle. It should also be mentioned that the 3-round burst and fully-automatic fire are incorrect for the SG 556, since the real one only comes in semi-auto. For the M16A4, it is seen in Woods' flashback in the mission "Pyrrhic Victory". And an extra note: the Barrett M107 section should contain a sentence like "While the M82A1 would fit in the game's setting (having been developed in 1982), the M107 is highly anachronistic, since it ..." (because it is referred to as Barrett M82A1 in-game) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:55, 22 December 2012 (EST)

I think the actual error there is that Barrett have started marketing the M107 as the M82A1 (per our own page on the Barrett rifles), so the problem is they put the wrong M82A1 in the game. Evil Tim (talk) 13:33, 23 December 2012 (EST)

The "FAL OSW" doesn't seem to me to be based on the Para Tactical Carbine. The front of the weapon and rail systems are obviously that of the SA58 OSW variant (yet the barrel's length portrayed in-game doesn't match any of these two variants, as seen in their images in the main FN FAL page). Also, isn't it incorrect for the "Olympia" to be able to eject the spent shells when reloaded instead of dumping them out manually? By the way in the SCAR-H section why is the "Extended Clip" mentioned to be incorrectly named? Because the calibers for the 20-round and 30-round mags are different?
Extra note: this image of the Storm PSR's third person view should be add to the main page:

File:Storm PSR Menu Icon BOII.jpg

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--Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:48, 25 December 2012 (EST)

Basis of in-game Saiga?

Guys, I think I may have found the the Saiga Treyarch based in the in-game model off of: Link to page on Red Jacket website (I don't know how to "safely" place a link onto IMFDB from an iPad, which is currently my only form of Internet access, so it would be much appreciated if someone could tell me how so I could up date it later). If anyone asks why I was on the website of the atrocious Red Jacket Firearms, I was Googling "AK Shotguns" to see if there were anymore I didn't know about, and their website came up. Jeddostotle7 (talk) 03:00, 25 December 2012 (EST)