Talk:The Rock

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Not a soldier

I remember one of the lines that stood out for me at the end when Major Baxter (David Morse) called Darrow a soldier and the man correctly replied that he isn't a soldier, since he's a Marine, but though obviously no one corrected anyone. The script was saying for Darrow to say he isn't a soldier, he's a mercenary because he's turned into a hired gun. Excalibur01 04:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I just cringed at that line, because the whole idea of a Marine calling themselves or another Marine a "soldier" is the kind of thing you'd think any moron would know is wrong. Of course, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about. -MT2008 05:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I laughed at that part, too, but I think the word "soldier" is used metaphorically in this case. Spartan198 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Yeah, well I got some buddies who are Marines and they would think differently if being referred to as "A soldier". It's like calling an Airman, a soldier. or a seaman, a soldier. Excalibur01 23:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Why the training an Army soldier goes through is tougher than the Marine', I'm pretty soldier is a broad term.

As I said, I know a some Marines who would say different about being referred to as "a soldier". Training in Marines Boot Camp is harder and longer than Army Excalibur01 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC) This will just go on and on I know some Marines and I know some "soldiers" and at the end of the day were all on the same side.

A soldier is a member of the military. By definition. Army, marines, no difference.

Well, I dunno what country you're from, Anonymous User, but in the United States, Marines get mad at being called "soldiers". Even most people who have never served know this. Regardless of "definition", that's the way things are. -MT2008 22:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

The fake XM177?

In this thread, those XM177 are regarded as fake......As some of you may think that a real XM177 should come with a 10" barrel , a A1 style upper receiver and a XM177-style flash hiders(in 3.5")......

Unquestionably, some of the 'XM177s' are not the real XM177s....they are with 11.5" barrels,A2 style upper receivers and some civilian-type-lower receiver....

Well, Actually, Some of the XM177s in the movie are Pure/Real XM177E2..... XM177E2 comes with a 11.5" barrel,A1 style upper receiver,XM177E2-style flash hiders(in 4.5" or 4.25" )........ I deem that we can separate these guns as "Real XM177E2" and "AR-15 variation"(those fake XM177 which are not true/pure)

P.S Can someone tell me what's the exact length of the XM177E2-style flash hiders? 4.5" or 4.25"? Because some of the websites indicated the length is 4.25" while the others indicated that's 4.5"

If you've ever read our section on the M16 page for the XM177 carbines, we explain that pretty much all of the XM177s seen in movies are fakes. Regardless of whether they have correct receiver style, barrel length, and flash hider design, all of the XM177s you see in movies are actually other AR carbine variants (in many cases, civilian versions converted to auto) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style suppressors fitted to them. I'd reckon probably 99% of movie XM177s are of this type. In The Rock, it seems that the armorers who worked on this film were probably short on AR carbines with A1-style receivers (or, at least, A1-style uppers), so they used whatever they had in inventory. And some of them had either A2-style receivers or the 715-style (meaning, forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight). Point being, there's no sense distinguishing between the "real" and "fake" ones in this movie.

I believe the length of the flash hiders is 4.5". -MT2008 04:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The fake XM177 problem again.....

well..... recently there are some new edittings...... claimimg that all of the XM177s used in the film were having 10 inch barrels... What I would like to say is that not all XM177s were equiped with 10 inch barrels.... There were some XM177s got 11.5"barrels..... Trust me, I watched it over hundreds times......

As a note, see that notch ring on the flash hider? That's indicative of a civilian AFTERMARKET XM177 flash hider that was COMMONLY sold in the 1980s. The real XM177 combo suppressor/flash hider didn't have that. So even THIS pic is a fake XM177 MPM

you can see the Surefire Flash light is clamping under the front barrel,not below the gas block

Friendsever 02:49, 2 August 2009 (GTM+8)

I also wonder why none of the Navy Seals in this movie were given XM177s???

Maybe they just ran out of fake XM177s Excalibur01 16:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Hummel's 1911

I don't think that the slide of Hummel's 1911 is a standard Government version. The distance by the beginning of the slide and the vertical grooves is to wide to be a normal 1911.

Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.

1911 Government.

I'm assuming that a gun with slanted grooves (like a Gold Cup National Match or a Dan Wesson 1911) has been modified to look like a normal 1911. To confirm this theory, you can see in this brighter screen cap that the grooves appear to be deeper than usual.

I don't think that is a National Match slide. In the picture above we can see a tipical government style incision under the ejection port. May be wrong, but I've never seen incision in that point on a GCNM. However the ejection port and the sights of a GCNM are different.

National Match.

I ask this only because the space that I note before the vertical grooves is very large and I've never seen that on any standard 1911 and wanted to know if anyone can help.--Charly Driver 15:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Beretta 92SB

Captain Darrow holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9. Note Tony Todd's hand makes the full size Beretta look like a compact.

Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).

Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.

Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.

Even though Tony Todd does have huge hands. Could the Beretta he uses be a 92SB-C lower and full size upper? --Predator20 02:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)