Talk:Sucker Punch (2011)

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Trivia Special

Futuristic magnetic mines

Rocket and Sweet Pea use futuristic magnetic mines to destroy the roof of the train, carrying bomb in "distant planet" world.

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A look inside the world of Sucker Punch

A World War 1 German Zeppelin crashes.
An Epic World War One battlefield as seen from the air.
Baby Doll (Emily Browning) must do battle with three Samurai Giants.
The girls prepare for a mission with a Huey Helicopter on an Alien planet.
The dragon, a nemesis for the girls.
A train speeds towards a futuristic city.
The girls in the dressing room of the Cabaret as they plot their escape.

Sucker Punch - Animated Short

In support of the movie four animated short-meter films were produced by director Ben Haybon: "Feudal Warriors", "Trenches", "Dragon" and "Distant planet". In two of them - "Trenches" and "Distant planet" - also present firearms.

Gewehr 43

At the beginning of "The Trenches" short-meter film German soldier armed with what appears to be Gewehr 43 rifle.

Gewehr 43 - 7.92x57mm Mauser
German soldier seen with G43.

Springfield M1903A4

British sniper at "The Trenches" short-meter film armed with what appears to be Springfield M1903A4 rifle.

M1903A4 Springfield with Model 330 Weaver scope - .30-06
British sniper seen with M1903A4
I guess it's a Karabiner 98k (or even full-lengh Gewehr 98?) rather than a Springfield. Greg-Z (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Hybrid SMG

One of the submachine guns used by the undead German soldiers at "The Trenches" short-meter film is seems to combination of Erma MP60 and Walther MPL submachine guns.

Erma MP60 - 9x19mm
Walther MPL with stock folded - 9x19mm
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This SMG resembles Walther MPL rather than Erma M60. The last screenshot also shows the same weapon. Greg-Z (talk) 15:16, 7 May 2014 (EDT)
Magazine arrangement and its receiver and the stock still resemble those of Erma MP60. Andrey Karchikyan (talk) 00:02, 8 May 2014 (MSK)

Fictional SMG

Another submachine gun used by the undead German soldiers at "The Trenches" short-meter film, apparently, is completely fictional model.

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Energy pistol

In "Distant Planet" short-meter film rebellious robots using fictitional energy pistols. One of them was later given to the robot protagonist.

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Robot protagonist gets a pistol.
Also getting the pistol.
Pistol can be seen when the robot protagonist says goodbye to his wife.

Energy automatic pistol

In "Distant Planet" short-meter film rebellious robots in the train mostly use fictitional energy automatic pistols (as in the movie).

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Robots are firing from their energy automatic pistols.
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Energy automatic rifle

In "Distant Planet" short-meter film robot guards at the station, and later rebellious robots use fictitional energy automatic rifles.

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One of the robot guards preparing to detain the robot protagonist, but he be shot before he did it.
Rebellious robot on the left holds energy automatic rifle to captured robot guard.
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Unidentified weapons

Silhouettes of female heroines of the film are seen on a train with different unidentifiable weapons.

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Discussion

Unknown Revolver

I think it is a Colt Model 1878. Sometimes called the Frontier Double Action.

Actually it was a Rastundgasser. R.Steacy

Just saw it

SPOILER ahead:


Yep, I was afraid it would be like Brazil ...... :( This film will experience a very sharp DROP OFF in revenue after it's premiere. Audiences don't like downer movies .... :( MoviePropMaster2008 04:58, 25 March 2011 (CDT)


I doubt ill see it until netflix.

Did anyone else notice the gaping plot hole? They only actually needed to see the map to find the exits to the instiution as simply pulling the fire alarm opens all the doors (the doors dont open when they start the fire only the alarm sounds). if theyd looked at the map then pulled the fire alarm they could have all made a run for it!!!--Captain Snikt 23:17, 3 April 2011 (CDT)

Foot Holder/Crotch Watcher

Seriously, what union is this guy in? I want his job!--James3 21:51, 17 March 2011 (CDT)

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Additional

M1911A1 lies in box on the table.
Baby Doll aims at her stepfather.
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Rocket (Jena Malone) attaches suppressor to her UMP-45.
SP Python.jpg
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Trivia Images

Though we usually frown on such non firearms related images on the main movie page, I added some pretty cool looking imagery from the HD trailer that is guaranteed to confuse people EVEN MORE! LOL. Obviously a 'trivia' special like this will probably be removed once the film is available on DVD for screencapping and we all concentrated JUST on the guns, but the visuals (and how weird and spectacular they are) is what is causing the primary buzz for the film. Until the film is released, I hope we can indulge me a little by showcasing some of the epic visuals (until the page is properly screencapped after DVD release). The visuals are just so eclectic that it leaves the viewer really scratching their head! LOL :) MoviePropMaster2008 03:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Sucker Punch

Wait, so this movie is about women killing Huns with modern weapons? BeardedHoplite 19:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

No...by my understanding all this is happening in one of the girls head...shes a abused teen and uses this fake world to cope with problems and to deal with a escape from a girls special home or something like that.--Spades of Columbia 19:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

This had better not END like BRazil :(

The girl has a five day window to escape from the mental institution before she is lobotomized. This film had better not end with her getting lobotomized! Downer endings like that suck! The point is that she and the other girl inmates are trying to figure out how to escape, all within the backdrop of the girl's own dreams about a hero life. MoviePropMaster2008 20:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Ah, but I like Brazil's ending, it was a nice change of pace from usual (happier) movie endings BeardedHoplite 21:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Brazil's ending worked for Brazil. This film could potentially be much more cruel, since the victim of the unjustly administered lobotomy is an abused girl. Though Brazil was a dark look at a totalitarian society, this one could just be an exercise in cruelty. But then I really have a problem with Lobotomies in general. to me it's WORSE than death. MoviePropMaster2008 00:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I always thought the worst thing you could do to a person you absolutely hated was an icepick lobotomy. That would be much crueler than death, not matter how slow. That being said, who still does lobotomies? Is the film set in the fifties? --funkychinaman 01:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
The 'real world' stories is set in the 1950s, but the fantasy worlds in her head prior to her 'fate' is a mish mash of different dreamworlds. Even though the weapons are anachronistic for her time, since they are all fantasy weapons in her head, it really doesn't bother me being that she is 'dreaming' the weapons and events. MoviePropMaster2008 04:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

And lobotomies aren't exactly rare today either, they still happen. But, just like most medical procedures, it's not like television. Mercer 06:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

WTF are you talking about? On WHAT do you base this comment? Nobody has done lobotomies since the 1960s. Modern Anti psychotic drugs have taken the place of this barbaric surgical procedure. One, the vast majority of Lobotomies done in the world were in either America, Canada, the Scandinavian Countries or the UK. MoviePropMaster2008 06:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Here's a start http://www.psychologistworld.com/biological/lobotomy.php Not to mention brain tumors. I didn't say it was used in psychological medicine anymore, but is still a medical procedure performed to remove malicious tissue from the brain. I wouldnt just talk out of my ass MPM. Mercer 06:36, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
But if you wanna call horseshit on it, that's fine. No harm , no foul. =P Mercer 06:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
No whoreshit called ;) , you were talking about lobotomies in the context of the surgical removal of brain tissue. I was talking about a FRONTAL LOBOTOMY which was a scrambling of the frontal lobes as a 'cure' for various mental illnesses. So there WAS No harm no foul, we were talking about TWO different things. MoviePropMaster2008 06:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Apparently they are still done in France of all places occasionally, at least since 2001 http://www.ccne-ethique.fr/docs/fr/avis071.pdf. I don't know if you read french though. Admittedly it has been a few years since I've been in psychology classes. =P Mercer 06:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Well that's because they're French. What else don't they do over there? Excalibur01 05:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Scary thing is that's just what i could find documentation for. I saw some claims that they're still performed in the US; but since no credible sources jumped out at me on my casual search and any links I post via my school's library database will probably end up as dead for you guys it doesn't seem to be worth the effort to pursue. =P Mercer 07:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

It's because of modern medicine, such a procedure is now considered obsolete and unnecessary Excalibur01 15:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

http://media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/images/ZZ275A92D4.jpg In the pic you can see Amber (Jaime Chung) has a Glock 17. Good pic of the Bunny robot and its guns.

It looks like that handgun has a hammer which would make it not a glock.--Spades of Columbia 15:01, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Might it be the blue finish 1911 shown on the page? --redram355 20:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Can someone tell me PLEASE what are the names of all the guns/weapons used in that pic for each girl!?!? Much would be appreciated. Thank you.

Try taking a look at the main page. All the guns in the pic except the pistol that fishnet stalking girl is holding (which looks like a Glock model but appears to have a hammer unlike any Glock model) are identified there. Spartan198 14:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I would also like to know if anybody can identify the pistol holstered on Blondie. I don't think she ever draws it. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I think everything else has been identified except for that one. LOL

This movie is gonad suck

I mean from actresses (if you can name em that) their hiring to the idea hell I'm all for girl power but when the hell did girl power mean actual girls I mean think about aliens and all the other movies women are in powerful roles they usually aren't little girl who act in Disney movies, sure there are examples Summer Glau of course but since she was in firefly everyone already associated her with badass

I love how anonymous posters slam a film they've never seen .... and their spelling usually SUCKS! LOL! MoviePropMaster2008 02:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

As I said before. This movie's all about hot chicks in skimpy clothing, wielding guns, swords and fighting monsters, dragons and demon samurai...What's not to like? Excalibur01 02:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Well I kinda like Surrealistic films and this counts! :) And I gotta admit, the girls look uberhot! I think chicks with guns (When done right and these actresses look like they've had some training) is HOT! :) MoviePropMaster2008 02:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

At least they don't look like they're duel wielding or shooting from the hip like all hotties do Excalibur01 02:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Frankly the sight of them walking across that bridge or whatever in a spread tactical formation bodes well for me. At least they had some sort of training for this that, and this is based on the images, they seem to be holding their weapons in a professional manner not, as Excalibur said, in some amateur fashion.--Charon68 09:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

This article [1] says they were trained six hours a day for three months by Navy SEALS. --redram355 20:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

When I heard that Vanessa Hudgens was in this, I repeatedly slammed my head on my desk. But when I saw her all grungey looking with a shag haircut and MP5K, I immediately thought "This is going to be epic!". I had the same reaction with Kristen Stewart as Joan Jett in The Runaways. First I though "FAIL", then after seeing the previews, I thought "WIN!". -Swordfish941 23:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


Saw this movie the night it came out, wasnt packed, but it had a good crowd, it was an awesome movie, and the girls were all definitely trained in tactics and usage of firearms, it was awesome! --Puckstopper 15:18, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

anachronistic

the look of there imaginary world look like they took fiction, past, present, and future and mash them to gather. this kind of visual style making the idea of anachronistic pointless. we have dragons chasing a B-25 and Robots gunning down WW1 biplanes. so if thinks are out of place, they are there for the visual style. an example if a character is a detective he would be dresses like a 1930s detective so say up fount that he is a detective

No, being Anachronistic is still relevant to the context of the film. Since the girl is 'dreaming' her worlds, having ANY of those items is understandable, except for the stuff which has not been invented yet. A girl in the 1950s dreaming of a B-25 Bomber and a fire breathing dragon is not anachronistic. Now if they had her make a call on an IPHONE, that would be stupid. The weapons anachronisms only 'work' because they could be things that she dreams someday could be real, but even that's a bit of a cop out. MoviePropMaster2008 02:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

The School girl outfit the lead chick wears might be anachronistic if this takes place in the 50s because I don't believe such a style would exist at the time because the whole "bad girl", slutty girl motif hasn't been invented yet. So pretty much most of the weapons shouldn't even be in the girl's mind because seriously. Hate to seem sexist here, but how many girls does your granddad knows that knows guns enough to imagine guns that would not exist for 40 years? Excalibur01 02:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I mean, seriously, robots that look like those? From the mind of a girl from the 50s. Robots weren't that streamline looking Excalibur01 02:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

She was very forward thinking ;) MoviePropMaster2008 04:31, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Do you really want them to design a whole new set of firing prop guns (which would probably be lackluster or simply ugly, then you would complain about that) when they can use real ones and just get on with it? --Mr-Jigsaw 05:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Real ones that don't fit in the time of the movie, even though it's a lot of made up dream sequences, it is still the 1950s and NONE of the weapons, especially the plastic ones like the UMP, and MP7 would exist. Couple that with that this IS a girl and yeah, if a girl dreams herself looking all slutty like that, odds are, she's not a gun nut as well and would have just dreamed up guns that fit her timeframe on what she saw in movies and posters of the time. I don't know how a girl in the 50s America would have heard of Samurai. Dragons, sure, everyone knows dragons and we've got NAZI's apparently or Germans. So it is understandable that her weird dreams of awesomeness would have things that exist in her time period or at least made up guns that don't exist at all. This is me speaking in a movie story sense. I'll reuse and modify something I said in Call of Duty Black OPS. Just like SOG, the dream world can bring in whatever you want since you'd have unlimited imagination, but that imagination can go only as far as the reality it is based on. So like how SOG in Black Ops cant get guns that hasnt even existed on paper yet, this girl's dreams can't dream up M4s and MP5s because they havent even existed in paper yet. Saying this is all a dream is not an excuse, it should have been something for the prop guns to build fictional guns from nothing because this is a dream Excalibur01 05:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

She's probably inventive or something. Kenny99 05:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Now you seem to be getting Asperger's syndrome, Excalibur! LOL! ;) I suppose it's BS to have AK47s in the hands of Capricans in Battlestar Galactica or M1 Garands in the hands of Tegalans in Stargate SG-1. I mean how is it possible that they had identical weapons development? Statistically it's nearly impossible to come up with identical (not just almost identical, but Completely identical) lines of technology designs. I say "so what?" There are many other things to worry about and given that we STILL don't know the entire story, I wouldn't waste any more time stressing over it. :) MoviePropMaster2008 17:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Of course, this is assuming the surrealistic dream world is only in her head. It is entirely possible that the movie has a supernatural twist that hasn't been disclosed yet.
According to the pictures there are no Nazis, only "normal" Imperial German soldiers. Or will there be Nazis in the final film? Anyways - though heavily CGIed - the film looks interesting. Btw the short unidentified carbine could be one of the shortened G88s, which were used by pioneers or the artillery troops. But I am not sure wether there were still bayonet lugs or not. --Paul_Baeumer84.181.246.81 22:53, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
There's the above point about the twist ending, but I can't believe I have to say this. Consider the film's pedigree--this is Zack Snyder we're talking about. This film is just going to be brainless hyper-masculine wish fulfillment, so I think he's just throwing all the cool shit on screen he can, anachronisms be damned.
True, that would fit with what he did in 300. I just think it's such an obvious twist it'd be a shame if they left it out. I know my first thought upon reading the description was "wouldn't it be cool if she turned out to be psychic, and that's why everyone thinks she's crazy?" I'm probably wrong, but it'd be a cool plot point in my books.
Did you even see Watchmen? Yes, he didn't write it, but it couldn't be further from "brainless hyper-masculine wish fulfillment."--Mr-Jigsaw 05:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

What the hell is the plot of this movie?

Seriously, usually I can understand something about the plot from the images posted on the movie page, but this one makes absolutely no sense. I mean, I see zombies, nazis, robots, giant samurais with machine gun, and hookers with katanas. Can someone please explain what the plot of this movie is, so I can stop bashing my head against a proverbial wall trying to understand it. Acora 21:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

It's so obvious Silly! It's the story of a wheat farmer in Depression Era Kansas and dealing with the death of his gay lover!! MPM
according to wikipida "Set in the 1950s, it tells the story of Baby Doll (Browning), who is trying to hide from the pain caused by her evil stepfather and lobotomy. She ends up in mental institution in Brattleboro, Vermont and while there she starts to imagine an alternate reality. She plans to escape from that imaginary world but to do that she needs to steal five objects before she is captured by an unknown adversary. She has 5 days to escape before being lobotomized. In order to cope with the situation, she enters the hyper-real world of her imagination, and the lines between reality and dream begin to blur. She is joined with friends who are inmates from the institution. Lessons learned in the said fantasy world could help the girls escape their real-world fate."

So in the real world she's going to get her brains scrabbled and in the other world she's going to get her cherry popped?--Spades of Columbia 01:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You know it's only a movie right? And a film that is coming from director Zack Snyder, it's best if you check in reality at the door when you see this film. --ThatoneguyJosh 01:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Modified Mini-Gun

Considering the relative size of the demon samurai could this be an M61 Vulcan instead? The large canister like housing behind the barrel cluster could be the ammo drum. Just a thought. --Charon68 00:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Could be. It's still a fantasy weapon, but the basis makes sense that it is a much larger weapon since the Samurai is pretty much King Kong sized. Technically I just added that for the sake of 'completeness'. Since it is 'some' sort of firearm. Changing it to a Vulcan seems okay to me. :) MoviePropMaster2008 03:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I think its an M134 Minigun, the ammo is actually coming from a backpack and the drum that's on the gun is probably the motor and battery --Mandolin 12:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Just saw it, it was an oversized M134, and the same guy fired an equaly oversized SMAW right before. Alex T Snow 03:20, 30 March 2011 (CDT)

M249 Para

This movie was filmed in British Columbia, Canada. If I had to guess, the "M249" carried by Vanessa Hudgens is probably going to be one of those Daewoo K3s with RIS (because as we've seen in Stargate SG-1, Walking Tall, Postal, etc., the armorers in British Columbia don't seem to have any real M249s and always use the K3 as a stand-in). -MT2008 21:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't you know...I was right:
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Wow, I know I've been on this site way too long when I predict what a weapon is going to be based on the country in which it was filmed. -MT2008 16:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Just saw an article about the movie on Entertainment Tonight (yes I watch it) and they show Hudgens on a green screen firing the weapon and you can clearly see it is a K3.--Charon68 18:14, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

GLOCK

It's GLOCK 19 or not? Glock 19.jpg

Looks like a white Block, fix the picture please.--FIVETWOSEVEN 19:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't know why, but any uploaded files in InternetExplorer looks like that. In Opera and Chrome pictures looks fine.

That looks like a lefty...it would be a glock 19 if anything,to small to be a 17 and it has a rail so it can't be a 26.--Spades of Columbia 22:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

It's not a lefty Glock, the image is just reversed horizontally. -MT2008 19:05, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

Behind The Scenes

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It4NITv1tdY&NR

And This (parts 2 and 3 too): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deHYrQlXkgQ

This is pretty sweet, seems like always used their own guns, even for just for training. Alex T Snow 05:54, 11 April 2011 (CDT)

Robot Guns

In the making of the robot automiton soldiers (from the train scene) are armed with the modified MAC 10's seen in the Blade movies painted green and pre CG. I think it is fair to assume these are the real life models the guns are built on - Captain Snikt

Blondie

Her never used pistol is a PPK. Also note that her MP5K has an SEF trigger group, but also has a PDW flash hider, and that combo is not a real variant. It's either an "MP5K" with a PDW flash hider, or an "MP5K-N" with an SEF trigger group, same thing.

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Sucker-Punch-character-poster4-Blondie.jpg Alex T Snow 02:17, 18 April 2011 (CDT)


There is no paddle release on that pic soo im assuming its a SP89 with a pdw front fitted - Captain Snikt

I'd hit that --Warejaws 12:21, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

Good catch with the SP89. Wow, an SP89 with a PDW front and converted to full auto; that's pretty well done, it almost IS an MP5K. Alex T Snow 16:37, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

In the behind the scene videos I've been watching I see a paddle.--FIVETWOSEVEN 14:22, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

Well, there goes that theory... Alex T Snow 15:38, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

Reflex Sight on the UMP/M4

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I know this might seem like a dumb question, but I keep on seeing the same reflex sight over and over on multiple sources, but can never seem to pin down the actual manufacturer and model for it. On one source it does not mention the model, but mentions the manufacturer as Mueller. Another source indicates the manufacturer as Aimpoint, and the one here indicate it's a Sureshot sight. Would someone help me clarify? --Cld 07:46, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

I'm pretty sure it's made by Sureshot, but the same style could be made by different companies, like how there are so many 1911 makers, though that's just a guess. Alex T Snow 16:14, 30 April 2011 (CDT)

Blog with pics of weapons used in Sucker Punch

Found this while Googling for a good pic of Sweet Pea to use as an avatar. [2] Has some pretty good pics of Babydoll's 1911 and Amber's prop Glock. Spartan198 21:01, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

I noticed on that blog that Babydoll's M1911 has a rounded A1 mainspring housing, while the gun used in the movie clearly has a flat mainspring housing. Think the gun was changed before it was put on display or was it a seperate gun used as a backup for the "hero gun"? -MissySummers-

Missing handgun

What about the chrome pistol that Blue uses??

It's listed, but not capped. 1911, specific model is apparently unknown.--Crazycrankle (talk) 12:25, 9 May 2013 (EDT)
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