Talk:Supreme Sanction

I think the MP5K is just an SP89 with a vertical foregrip. I don't see a paddle release, and the way Michael Madsen is reloading it, it doesn't appear to have one. --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:05, 14 February 2016 (EST)

I'll grant he does look like he's using the button release in that shot, but that said those guns clearly have the molded polymer S-E-F lowers. StanTheMan (talk) 01:40, 14 February 2016 (EST)

Thanks, I fixed it. I also need help with compact M16s. Can you say anything about them? Greg-Z (talk) 01:56, 14 February 2016 (EST)

^ I think it's still questionable on those H&Ks. Can't explain the lack of the paddles, but again, the guns quite clearly have the proper molded SEF lower receiver-style, not the metal lowers of the SP89. Some more shots might help if they can be got. StanTheMan (talk) 02:16, 14 February 2016 (EST)

More images of supposed MP5Ks. Greg-Z (talk) 02:37, 14 February 2016 (EST)

An operative, running with SP89 (?), is shot.

An operative with MP5K.

Holman with MP5K.

An operative with MP5K.

Dalton takes the gun from operative.

Dalton fires, holding the SMG "gangsta-style".

Hmm.. indeed I'm not seeing any paddle releases - but those are SEF lowers/trigger packs though. Strange. I suppose the paddles could have been removed, though I can't fathom why that'd be done, myself. Bah. StanTheMan (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2016 (EST)

Maybe SEF trigger packs were added when SP89s were converted for full-auto while magazine release remained push-button? It seems to me more credible than replacing the paddle release on original MP5Ks. Greg-Z (talk) 14:14, 14 February 2016 (EST)

Pretty sure the sniper rifle is a Remington 700PSS. The 'M16 Carbine' looks to be one in the this series; A 65x or possibly a 723 - without more details tough to narrow it down further. I'd say the first Un-ID'd shorty AR would be a Colt 733 'Commando' (see previous link) but the barrel and handguard look off - In any event I don't believe the gun is the same as the LaFrance from Nikita, given that AR had an even shorter barrel and forend and that was filmed in France, which this almost certainly isn't. The second shorty AR looks like an Olympic Arms K23B, but not quite, again forend is off (plus I don't believe those are OA markings on the receiver). StanTheMan (talk) 02:16, 14 February 2016 (EST)

Thanks, I'll correct the sniper rifle. About M16s: I agree about the one with long barrel; and I think that you are right that LaFrance is a wrong guess about the first subcompact AR. The second one have a clear Bushmaster logo but I cannot find any Bushmaster produced AR with such short barrel. Possibly some aftermarket modification? Greg-Z (talk) 02:37, 14 February 2016 (EST)