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Talk:M1903 Springfield
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New version of M1903 Image
--Kin93 12:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Variation on a Sporterized M1903
It's a good photo, but it isn't the right dimensions to be on the main page. So here it is. I put it on the Black Sunday page. --Jcordell 21:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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Pedersen Device
The Pedersen Device is an attachment for the M1903 Springfield developed during World War I, converting the rifle into semi-automatic pistol cartridge weapon, designated US Automatic Pistol, Caliber .30, Model of 1918 by the Ordnance Department. Functionally, the Pedersen Device is a very small and simple top loading, blowback-operated pistol. M1903 Springfields were modified with additional left-facing pistol-caliber ejection port and other receiver modifications to accommodate for the device, and were designated US Rifle, Cal. .30, Model of M1903, Mark I. It is attached by removing the turnbolt and inserting the device. It uses the rifle's trigger group and uses 40-round magazines.
The device was designed by Remington Arms employee John Pedersen prior to US entry into WWI. After US entry into WWI, the Army ordered 133,450 devices and 800,000,000 cartridges for the 1919 Spring Offensive. Production began in 1918, but the war ended before they reached Europe. The production contract was terminated on March 1, 1919, after 65,000 devices, 1.6 million magazines, 65 million cartridges and 101,775 modified Springfield rifles were produced. They were subsequently placed in storage and declared surplus in 1931. Nearly all were destroyed in a giant bonfire because the Ordnance Department didn't want to pay for the cost of storage. An estimated 60-100 pieces survive today. Mark I rifles converted for the Pedersen device were converted back to the original standard in the 1930s, with the only remaining sign of their conversion being a receiver cutout and a Mark I rollmark.
Mk.II and Mk.III prototypes were designed for the M1917 Enfield and U.S. Rifle, 7.62 mm, Model of 1916 (a Remington-produced version of the Russian Mosin Nagant that were never delivered to Russia). Neither went into production.
Discussion
Hey, this is a good article but there are some suggestions I have. The M1903A1 featured a C-type pistol-grip stock and some other minor improvements and was introduced in 1929. It did see service, and was not only manufactured in limited numbers as some sources note. There was a sniper version of the M1903A1 used solely by the Marine Corps, espiecially at the beginning of the war, that was a select-grade receiver and barrel and featured a high-quality optic, and was designated as the M1941. This model and information can be confirmed in an article contained both within the Guns and Ammo Surplus Arms special, in the second volume, and also in a duplicate of the same article featured in American Rifleman.
- BTW, good info! Didn't want you to think we didn't welcome cool info. I'm just guarded against unknown variants or unused variants in film/tv/etc. Good work! MoviePropMaster2008 05:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, but SAWGunner89 , please sign your posts :) . But .... Also please remember that IMFDB is not a Gun Encyclopedia. The new info may be useful, but we must be aware that it is NOT IMFDB's job to list every variant of a said weapon for be an exhaustive resource for the history of the gun. Our primary concern is chronicling the APPEARANCES of any said weapon in visual entertainment media (film, tv, etc.) If there is a variant that is rare and does NOT appear in anything, it doesn't belong here. Just a reminder that's all. MoviePropMaster2008 01:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)