Talk:John Wick: Chapter 2

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SO MUCH YES --PyramidHead (talk) 21:24, 6 October 2016 (EDT)

I KNOW!!! Excalibur01 (talk) 10:43, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
The hype is real!--AnActualAK47 (talk) 20:44, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
And then there's me: I think the film looks generic.--SeanWolf (talk) 21:17, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
It really is, but it's not how original a story can be. The best thing you can do to a generic type of character is to have pretty good acting and for us here, awesome gun play and John Wick is awesome at the gun play. Excalibur01 (talk) 16:59, 12 October 2016 (EDT)

So, any special reason he's using some fancy Glock and AR-15 from a company no one has heard of? Why not give him his old P30 and HK416 back? Why do armorers keep buying overpriced Glocks with fancy aftermarket parts?--Mandolin (talk) 23:35, 8 October 2016 (EDT)

Taran Tactical isn't an unknown company. It might not be as famous or infamous as Salient, but it's known enough in some circles. They also trained Will Smith for Suicide Squad. Excalibur01 (talk) 11:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure Keanu Reeves trained with them for the movie.--Quarax (talk) 00:35, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
I've heard somewhere that Keanu Reeves has some sort of share in Taran Tactical. --Aidoru (talk) 01:12, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
Yep. They even had a contest perfect for us.--Quarax (talk) 00:39, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
Here's the same videoon youtube for those who loathe facebook. Anyway, i think those tacticooled glocks sorta fit in a silly movie like John Wick. Then again, the only other movies where i've ever seen these types of pimped guns are the Transformers movies and 13 hours.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 09:23, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
It makes a sort of sense in a way of people of expensive groups will buy expensive things, including guns if need be. Excalibur01 (talk) 09:59, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
One of the unseen henchmen on the poster (on the right) appears to be holding a P30L with the same compensator from the first film. --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 11:00, 9 October 2016 (EDT)

Here's another vid of him training with Aaron Cohen, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKISkjMtPU Excalibur01 (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2016 (EDT)

Contents

Please help ID

Please help ID this launcher. --Ben41 (talk) 14:30, 19 December 2016 (EST)

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Looks like an ARWEN 37 to me.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 15:09, 19 December 2016 (EST)
It was definitely an ARWEN 37, even got to see the loading process. --Insertjjs (talk) 07:39, 13 February 2017 (EST)

Glock

Looks like the Glock that was used in this film is currently on display at SHOT Show: https://scontent.fdet1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15977767_10154301140996134_2975412249705260393_n.jpg?oh=e720456e623db93a6644ca3c46a432c9&oe=591FE97A

Lynx (talk) 12:05, 19 January 2017 (EST)

Cool--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:38, 19 January 2017 (EST)
Apparently he's also carrying a Taran Glock 26 too, if Glock themselves are to be believed.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 10:07, 27 January 2017 (EST)
There's a short clip ad of the scene where John Wick talks to the gun guy about what gun recommendations. He suggested a Glock 34, a Glock 26 as well as an "AR-15" and Benelli M4 Excalibur01 (talk) 10:57, 27 January 2017 (EST)
Got a link to that clip?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 11:36, 27 January 2017 (EST)
I've been trying to look for it, but it only appears as an ad every time I watch a Youtube vid. Excalibur01 (talk) 14:28, 27 January 2017 (EST)

Nevermind. Found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgxWQADcWXI Excalibur01 (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2017 (EST)

That's neat. I guess all those guns have some Taran tactical thing going on with them...--AnActualAK47 (talk) 15:18, 27 January 2017 (EST)

Armory

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JW2Armory2.jpg

Grabbed a couple more shots of the armory from the trailer. Does anyone know what the rifles that are hanging horizontally are? I can't place them, and it's bugging me. --Lynx (talk) 11:45, 3 February 2017 (EST)

Beretta AR70/90?--AgentGumby (talk) 12:16, 3 February 2017 (EST)
Yep, seems like a AR70/90--Flavio (talk) 13:56, 3 February 2017 (EST)
Looks like the 90 to be specific.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:31, 3 February 2017 (EST)
In Picture #1 I see several Glock 17s on the top shelf and what looks like a Glock 17L on the very far right. The shelf below that has a compact SIG P220 series handgun (not sure which), a VP9, and two empty spots which is likely where John got his two Glocks below. The one below that has two Beretta 92 handguns, and another that I can't identify (looked kind of like a compact Walther P99 or Springfield XD but I don't think it is.) The bottom shelf is mostly unidentifiable but the one on the furthest right looks kind of like a HK Mark 23 to me. Leaning against that shelf is an M79. The right most shelf has more Glock 17s, two two-tone SIG-Sauer P226s, and a Beretta 93R. There's another 93R and a Px4 on the one below that.
In Picture #2 I see MP5Ks, two of which have compensators attached and several Uzis/Mini-Uzis. To the right of those are a bunch of MP5s, some of which have Surefire lights installed. Can't identify the shotguns, sadly.

--Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 21:02, 3 February 2017 (EST)

There's also a Beretta PM12 in between the MP5Ks and Uzis. Most of the guns on the bottom are hard to ID, but there's a couple of obvious M4/M16 variants.--Lynx (talk) 10:58, 5 February 2017 (EST)
Two of those tall shotguns are Benelli M4s, and it looks like there are two SG553s behind them, in addition to regular Beretta AR 70s.--AgentGumby (talk) 11:47, 5 February 2017 (EST)

Just saw it

So let me start by saying that if you're a fan of the first, chances are you'll love this one, I did. The action was beautifully choreographed and shot, and the world of the continental was expanded upon really well. Now for the guns I saw. Bear with me because the movie moved really fast and a lot of guns were used, but this is what I remember.

-HK P30L - Same gun from the first movie, used by John in the opening fight briefly. Later seen buried under John's floor.

-Kel-Tech KSG - Seen briefly being buried underneath John's floor in the beginning.

-Coharie Arms CA-415 - Buried alongside the KSG and another gun I couldn't identify.

-Glock 26 - Also seen alongside the P30L being buried.

-ARWEN 37 - Used by Santino in the beginning of the film. Portrayed as an explosive grenade launcher.

-Glock 34 - Main sidearm used by John in Rome, Had either the TTI or Salient modification. It was specifically referred to as the Glock 34 by "The Sommelier" (armorer). He also mentioned it's Austrian roots as well as the German roots of the P30.

-Glock 27 - Also used by John in Rome. Also provided by The Sommelier. It may have been a Glock 26 but I seem to remember him calling it the 27, I could be wrong though. Used in a fistfight with Cassien.

-Benelli M4 - Also used by John in Rome. Also provided by The Sommelier. Referred to by name and it's Italian roots are directly mentioned.

-TTI TR-1 - Final weapon used by John in Rome (I believe). Once again, provided by The Sommelier. He refers to it as an AR-15, and the specifications of it's attachments were mentioned but unfortunately I cannot remember them. Also appears to be used by Ares men in the final battle

-Kimber Warrior - Used by John as well as countless other assassins including Ares (Ruby Rose). Seen in both suppressed and unsuppressed modes, both of which are used by John. The Bowery King (Laurence Fishburne) provides one to John before the climax. He specifically refers to it as a "Kimber 1911" and also mentions it's seven round capacity, which also annoys John. The final gun John handles in the film.

-Grey Glock? - Used by Cassien (Common) while pursuing John through New York. Appeared to be a grey Colored Glock with a matching grey suppressor. Could be a custom gun or could be something entirely different, I didn't get a clear look at it.

-Various handguns - Used by multiple assassins attempting to kill John in New York. Appeared to be an assortment of Glocks, Kimbers, and HKs in suppressed and unsuppressed forms. Didn't get a clear view of them. John procures many of them from the assassins he kills throughout.

-Beretta Cheetah - Appeared to be used by one of The Bowery King's men who saves John. Seen suppressed. Also used, unsuppressed, by Santino D'Antonio (Riccardo Scamarcio)

-Bowery King arsenal - Various weapons, many the same as seen earlier in the film, however I did notice what appeared to be an RPG-7 in one of the racks.

-Glock 17 - Carried by nearly all of Santino's men. Multiple are used by John in the finale, with him procuring a new one every time he runs out of ammo in the previous one.

-Sig SG 550 and 552 - Used by Ares' men in the finale. Some appeared to lack rear iron sights.

Thats about it. Cassien used a handgun during his fight with John in Rome, but I never got a clear view of it. Also in the finale Ares's men used a collection of AR-15s and I believe a few SMGs. I couldn't quite tell what models the SMGs were, however they appeared to be HKs and also lacked rear iron sights, though I could just be rememebering the Sigs and imagining that they used SMGs (Quite likely to be honest, It was a late showing and I'm fairly tired). I'm sure I missed several guns, as like I said this was a gun heavy movie, however i will comment that many of the same models appeared repeatedly, probably props being reused. Both The Bowery King and The Sommelier had large arsenals with numerous guns I was unable to Identify. Sorry for missing some things, the movie moved at a breakneck pace and I didn't always have time to appreciate the action on screen and notice what guns we're being used.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 05:09, 10 February 2017 (EST)

The Sommelier mentions that Wick's AR-15 has a Trijicon Accupoint, but I don't remember him specifying the exact model. Also, regarding The Sommeliers arsenal, I believe the rifles in the background are Beretta AR70/90's.--Aidoru (talk) 17:43, 13 February 2017 (EST)

I just saw it and I am pretty sure Cassien's grey glock was actually an Arsenal Strike One, It had a distinctive step down forward of the ejection port. You get a short but clear view of it when Cassien does an ammo check in the subway shootout. --Insertjjs (talk) 14:34, 12 February 2017 (EST)

We also need a photo of TTI's Glock 34 Excalibur01 (talk) 15:23, 14 February 2017 (EST)

They showed them off at the SHOT Show
TTI Glock 34
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TTI Glock 26
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Also there was a picture (cut away drawing?) of a H&K MG4 with a G36 Hensoldt AG Sight/carrying handle in Laurence Fishburne's office.

--Insertjjs (talk) 15:40, 15 February 2017 (EST)


The 1911 that Ares uses is a S&W 1911 either a PD or an SC model I'm leaning towards a PD full size. Also the gun John uses at the very end seems to be some kind of Kimber with a custom compensator. Serpico1911 (talk 03:38, 15 February 2017 (CST)

Finally got to see it. To think they weren't going to show this movie in sweden! Thank god they did! It blew my dick off! Liked alot of things in it, but one thing that stood out to me was that i've never seen an action movie like this were the main character reloads as often as he does. Also, don't know if this is the case, but i watched this with a friend and he counted that in the Museum scene (when Wick is switching between guns left and right) he only shot the various pistols he picked up ten times before they ran out.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:07, 24 February 2017 (EST)
Just saw it too, my jaw hit the floor when Keanu did the Killing Floor 2 style one-handed brass check on a 1911 before entering the hall of mirrors towards the end.--AgentGumby (talk) 01:31, 25 February 2017 (EST)
The only other movie ive seen someone do that style of brass check before is The way of the gun. Can't think of any movie where someone brass checked guns as often as this one--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:28, 25 February 2017 (EST)
Only movies that come to mind for brass checking is pretty much anything by Michael Mann, particularly Heat, but not as much as this film. Bristow8411 (talk) 18:29, 25 February 2017 (EST)

I'd say that Ares's pistol is a SW1911SC variant. I say this because we get a good look at the slide a few times, and it has the particular slide serrations of the SC series of SW1911's. It also seemed to have a black slide, but a stainless steel frame, but I could be wrong, saw the film last night. Loved it.--Bauer2121 (talk) 13:05, 26 February 2017 (EST)

1911s

I'm pretty sure that the 1911 used by Ares is a S&W. I remember in one shot you could clearly see the extractor and the fish scale type serrations. I can't recall exactly what happened, but after John beats Ares to a pulp, he takes her 1911, but later when he's at the continental and shoots that guy with it, the 1911 he used is some variant with a compensator. Unless she was carrying two different 1911s, this might be a continuity error.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:19, 2 March 2017 (EST)

Your right. I remember watching this a second time that Ares had a suppressor on hers and clearly no compensator so...either a deleted scene or he just got a completely different 1911. I remember he frisked Ares for a spare mag and reloaded it since it was empty but when he used it at the Continental, it locked back, meaning he had fired all but one round so...I think there must be a deleted scene involved or something or just bad continuity, which is surprising for a movie like this. Excalibur01 (talk) 15:46, 2 March 2017 (EST)

Other than the final scene where we know for a fact that it's a Kimber 1911 as we can plainly see, I think all other 1911s should be in a separate section under 1911. Cassian's 1911, Ares' and the one John used in the subway fight Excalibur01 (talk) 15:58, 2 March 2017 (EST)

Yeah, lumping the S&W 1911 together with the Kimber is just confusing.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2017 (EST)


I have a pic. that could be from the supposed deleted scene but not sure how to upload the photo to here if anyone could help with that. Serpico1911 (talk 00:37, 4 March 2047 (CST)

On the left side of the screen, Toolbox, Upload File.--Mandolin (talk) 05:46, 4 March 2017 (EST)
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Serpico1911 (talk 07:41, 4 March 2017 (CST)

Smith and Wesson SW1911 E-Series?

SW1911SC E series stainless slide.jpg

--Mandolin (talk) 18:26, 4 March 2017 (EST)


I have found what resembles the compensated reversed two-tone 1911 John used in the final scene. As far as I can see, the grips are unique to the Kimber Team Match II and I couldn't find any other after market grips that looks like it. Take a look at the screencap I took from youtube below (sorry for low quality).

Kimber Team Match II.jpg
Note the grips and the black ambi safety. The markings on the slide are missing, though.

Still, we have to wait until the DVD is released to be able to correctly Identify it. --Kliwher (talk) 21:40, 6 May 2017 (EST)

OK, got an update on the compensated 1911 it is definitely not a Kimber, it has slanted rear serrations, no front serrations, black controls, slide cuts, wood and rubber/plastic hybrid grips, and bushing compensator. It is also loaded with 10-round magazine.
--Kliwher (talk) 20:34, 11 June 2017 (EST)

The Custom AR-15

The Sommelier refers to the Taran Tactical AR-15 as "11.5" inch - assuming he's referring to the barrel length, that can't be right surely? It looks much longer than that - closer to a regular size, 14.5 inch M4, if not longer. Am I seeing things, or did someone make a mistake? --Stickie (talk) 23:17, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

I sent a message to TTI to confirm, but it could be an 11.5 in barrel with a big compensator that's throwing off the overall length. Excalibur01 (talk) 14:47, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

Shooting like a 3 gunner

Is it me or compared to the nightclub scene from the first movie and the Vania scene in this one, John either tac reloads his gun and then shoots until he's out of bullets and out of spare mags while in this movie, I counted, he shot roughly half a mag, barely with those TTI extensions before dumping the mags entirely, most likely still with a lot of bullets and then retrieving a fresh mag from basically an unlimited supply unlike the first movie where he had a very limited amount. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's got 4 spare mags PLUS a spare AR mag...that's still not enough mags for the many reloads he did with his Glock. Compared to the first movie on how he reloads his pistol, it looks like the habits from competition target shooting (the idea to just dump your mag and get a fresh one, regardless of how many rounds are left) were carried over to this movie. The only time he didn't constantly reload his gun is during the final shootout where he kept picking up guns after emptying a new one he picks up. Excalibur01 (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2017 (EDT)


I also question why a shotgun? He could of hid caches of extra AR mags all along his escape route. It's very cool how he worked the M4, but it illustrates how he ran out of ammo quick and had to do reloads more often than if he had hidden more AR mags. It even showed that during his quick reloads, he was exposed. I wonder why Taran Butler didn't teach him a more combat reloading technique like chambering a shell and loading the rest with the thing tucked under instead of over the shoulder that's more akin to competition shooting. I bet if the prop guys also sourced High Threat Concealment, they could of had John wearing a metal plate under his shirt and get one of their magnetic chest carriers for AR mags and just slap it on, giving him more rounds Excalibur01 (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2017 (EDT)


To add more, I'm looking at the final fight in the mirror room (reminded me of something from a Bond movie and a Bruce Lee movie, especially with the villain taunt). There were multiple chances for him to pick up a long gun or additional handguns when his 1911 ran empty, but he didn't even though he had plenty of time. Also before entering the mirror room, he reloaded his 1911, which was good because the holster he's wearing is most likely only for a 1911, but why didn't he pick up another Glock as his primary until it ran dry? Or stuff extra mags from the dead guy in his pocket?Excalibur01 (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

Yeah, it kinda bugged me that he didn't just bring a bag of mags along for his AR-15. You can get bandoleers or small chest rigs that hold 6 mags. And I will always consider the use of a magnifying optic in a nighttime CQB situation stupid. Worse, the entire scene was pointless. John ninjaed his way in undetected and then didn't leave the way he came. Alternatively, just carrying a subcompact he might have convinced Cassian he wasn't there to fight. Or just don't admit you're working. --Mandolin (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Again, I go back to HTC with their magnetic chest rigs that you can just slap over your body armor plate. The movie allowed John to attach a fancy 3 gun style belt with spare shotgun shells. You're telling me, he couldn't throw on some kind of bandoleer for extra AR mags? If they really wanted him to go all out with the shotgun, he could of had a sling with shells attached to it for extra firepower. Excalibur01 (talk) 00:42, 6 June 2017 (EDT)


And yes, only in three-gun would you use a 16" carbine with a scope and side-mount red dot. Really the whole use of custom guns from TTI screams "three-gun with little real-world value". Unless I missed something, nobody actually uses angled foregrips, side-mount red dots/iron sights, or $2k in parts on a $500 pistol. And the entire point of a 16" barrel is going as short as legally possible without extra paperwork. The one three-gun accessory he didn't use but should have is a pistol red dot. They're finally at the point you can depend on them to work reliably without being too large (seriously, go look up some of the older movies on here. 80s/90s attempts at lasers and red dots are hilarious) and work better in low light and are more accurate. Oh, and buy yourself a 40 round PMag, not a mag extension. On a side note, caching a Minimi Para with an 200 round belt means no reloads and hilarious firepower.--Mandolin (talk) 18:19, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
I have actually seem some US Army training vids where there was actually an angled red dot. I've seen Marines with AFGs on their rifles. There's nothing wrong with a 1x6 power scope on your fighting rifle but that's for varied ranges outdoors. He KNEW he was gonna be fighting in the catacombs at extremely close range, so just a simple red dot would work just fine or if he really needed range, a magnifier that he can flip on and off could work. Realistically, they should have just slapped John with the same 416 clone from the first movie with a micro red dot with the same short 10.5 in barrel and he'd still perform just as well. For flare, they could of added a silencer to it. Excalibur01 (talk)

I do like the idea that he should have set up traps. Remember in Shoot'em Up where Cllve Owens basically turned an entire gun factory into an automatically shooting gallery of guns all over the place? You're telling me John fucking Wick couldn't afford some well placed claymores or grenades? I'm still harping on the M4 shotgun. It's a good gun and even ghost loading it with an extension tube. He had like what? 9 + 1 shells maybe? Couldn't the Sommelier have recommended something bolder and bigger like say a Saiga 12 or bring back the AA-12 with frag-12s? Both being magazine fed shotguns that gives you a faster reload time and higher capacity?

I mean, I understand these fantasy assassins are like fantasy knights where instead of custom designer fantasy swords of epic loot, they got custom guns. If money didn't matter, the TTI handguns are awesome, just as cool and functional as Salient or Agency Arms but to us lowly average joes, we can't afford all most of them. I've got mag extensions for my Glock and more as a fashion than practicality. There are much cheaper options for mag extensions that don't cost the price of 2 mags. The price for the TTI Pmag extensions is about the exact same price as a Pmag 40. I don't have mag extensions on any of my rifles because they are just pricey and if I really needed more rounds, I got a couple PMAG40s lying around. Excalibur01 (talk) 00:29, 6 June 2017 (EDT)

Also remember at the end of the movie, he was shooting stock guns with no fancy trigger jobs done to them and he still performed just as good. In fact, it's because he was shooting stock guns is that we aren't so distracted by the guns he's using. Excalibur01 (talk) 00:45, 6 June 2017 (EDT)

Good point about the accessories. The 1-6x would have been fine in another setting. He couldn't use his 416 this time, but any AR platform would have been fine. Giving a professional a 16" AR is kinda SOD-breaking, he has no reason to use that length. And I have no idea why they had to give John all the super cool name-brand custom stuff this time. He did just fine with stock guns in the first movie. And yeah, PMag 40 would be better than some extensions. Mini-claymores are a thing BTW.--Mandolin (talk) 19:09, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

Like I've pointed out before, I think they are going with this "fantasy assassin" world where it's more spectacular than actually realistic and when I mean fantasy, I mean stuff that real assassins really shouldn't use, like flashy weapons. I can totally see someone in RPG give gaming stats to his guns because of how special they look like if you picked up some kind of hero sword. If this was like fictional tactical, we'd be seeing him rocking NODs and an MK18 with IR lasers Excalibur01 (talk) 10:24, 12 June 2017 (EDT)



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