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| − | |name = Innocent Voices<br>(Voces inocentes) | + | |name = ''Innocent Voices''<br>(''Voces inocentes'') |
|picture =Voces inocentes Poster.jpg | |picture =Voces inocentes Poster.jpg | ||
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| − | '''''Innocent Voices''''' (''Voces inocentes'') is a 2004 Mexican war drama. It depicts the tragedy of | + | '''''Innocent Voices''''' (''Voces inocentes'') is a 2004 Mexican war drama. It depicts the tragedy of the Salvadoran Civil War through the eyes of children, as narrated by eleven-year-old boy Chava. |
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= Handguns = | = Handguns = | ||
| − | == M1911 Style Pistol == | + | == M1911-Style Pistol == |
| − | Chava's uncle Beto (José Maria Yazpik), a guerrilla fighter, holds an [[M1911 pistol series|M1911]]-style pistol in one scene. M1911 style pistols are used by | + | Chava's uncle Beto (José Maria Yazpik), a guerrilla fighter, holds an [[M1911 pistol series|M1911]]-style pistol in one scene. M1911-style pistols are also used by officers of the Salvadoran Army. |
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|For comparison: World War II Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]] | [[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|For comparison: World War II Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]] | ||
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the scene when the schoolboys are recruited into the army, an officer of the government troops carries an M1911-style pistol with pearl grips in a holster.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beto draws his pistol.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The grip and the trigger guard that is more angular than on original M1911s is seen.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-4.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barrel is seen.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-5.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A general view of the pistol.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-6.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sergeant of the government troops fires his pistol at a loudspeaker on the church building that transmits a forbidden song.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-8.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The wooden grips of a pistol in the holster of an NCO.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-9.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-10.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer executes boys captured in the guerrilla camp.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-11.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M1911-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer is gunned down and drops his pistol.]] |
| − | == Unidentified | + | == Unidentified Revolver == |
| − | + | An unidentified revolver is very briefly seen in the hands of a guerrilla fighter. | |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
= Shotguns = | = Shotguns = | ||
| − | == Unidentified | + | == Unidentified Shotguns == |
| − | Guerrillas use pump action shotguns. These guns are seen very briefly and unclear. | + | Guerrillas use pump-action shotguns. These guns are seen very briefly and unclear. |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Shotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Shotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Shotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Shotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pump-action shotgun is very briefly seen in hands of a guerrilla fighter during the night shootout.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Shotgun-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Shotgun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Shotgun-4.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Shotgun-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guerrilla fighter holds a shotgun with extended magazine tube during the attack on the village. Other guerrillas are armed with M16s and AKs.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guerrilla fighter at the left fires a shotgun.]] |
= Rifles = | = Rifles = | ||
| − | == Unidentified | + | == Unidentified Rifle == |
During the attack of the guerrillas on the village, one fighter fires an unidentified rifle from the bell tower. | During the attack of the guerrillas on the village, one fighter fires an unidentified rifle from the bell tower. | ||
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fighter with a rifle on the bell tower.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|He fires at government soldiers.]] |
= Assault Rifles = | = Assault Rifles = | ||
== M16 == | == M16 == | ||
| − | Most | + | Most soldiers of the Salvadoran Army are armed with [[M16/SP1]] assault rifles with 20- and 30-round magazines. Guerrillas also use M16s. |
| − | [[Image:M16SP1Birdcage.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[Image:M16SP1Birdcage.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16 (or Colt AR-15 SP1) with an A1 "birdcage" flash hider, used to resemble the M16A1. This version has a 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the opening scene one of the soldiers, escorting arrested boys, holds an M16/SP1.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers patrolling the village carry M16/SP1 assault rifles.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-5.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good view of the handguard and front sight of the M16 in the scene when the schoolboys are recruited into army.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-6.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good view of a M16/SP1 with a 20-round magazine in the same scene.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-7.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of an M16/SP1 in the hands of a child soldier.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-8.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-9.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A child soldier fires his M16 into the air to impress former classmates.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-11.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with an M16/SP1.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-12.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-13.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A child soldier with an M16/SP1 during the battle with guerrillas.]] |
== M16A2 == | == M16A2 == | ||
| − | Some soldiers and guerrilla fighters are armed with [[M16A2]] assault rifles. | + | Some soldiers and guerrilla fighters are armed with [[M16A2]] assault rifles. Its appearance in the hands of the Salvadoran Army and FMLN guerillas is highly anachronistic; the M16A2 was not exported to El Salvador during the Civil War (by 1986, the M16A2 had only just been adopted by the US Army and Marine Corps), and the Salvadoran Army did not adopt the M16A2 for service until 2007. |
| − | [[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb| | + | [[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Colt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the opening scene one of the soldiers, escorting arrested boys, holds an M16A2, note the extended magazine.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier at the left holds an M16A2.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with M16A2.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guerrilla fighter holds an M16. The A2 handguard is seen.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-5.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16A2-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier at the background holds an M16A2 during the execution of the boys captured in the guerrilla camp.]] |
| − | == AR-18 == | + | == ArmaLite AR-18 == |
| − | [[AR-18]] | + | [[AR-18]]s are also seen in the hands of several soldiers. The AR-18 was never used by the Salvadoran Army during the Civil War. |
| − | [[Image:Armalite-AR18.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[Image:Armalite-AR18.jpg|thumb|none|450px|ArmaLite AR-18 – 5.56x45mm]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AR18-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AR18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the background holds an AR-18. Note the folding buttstock and the shape of the magazine well.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AR18-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AR18-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier at the left holds an AR-18.]] |
== AKM == | == AKM == | ||
| − | Raton ( | + | Raton ([[Héctor Jiménez]]) carries an [[AKM]]. |
| − | [[File:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKM - 7.62x39mm]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Raton holds the AKM. The slanted muzzle brake can be seen.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-4.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Raton carries the AKM.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-5.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A general view of Raton's AK.]] |
== Norinco Type 56 == | == Norinco Type 56 == | ||
| − | Some guerrilla fighters are armed with [[Norinco Type 56]] assault rifles. During the shootout between guerrillas and soldiers, Chava picks up a Type 56 | + | Some guerrilla fighters are armed with [[Norinco Type 56]] assault rifles. During the shootout between guerrillas and soldiers, Chava picks up a Type 56. |
| − | [[File:M22.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:M22.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56, milled receiver model without bayonet - 7.62x39mm]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-7.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A killed guerrilla fighter holds an AK.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-8.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close view of the receiver.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-9.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chava picks up the AK.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-10.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chava aims at a child soldier... but recognizes his former classmate and can't shoot. The hooded front sight of the Type 56 is seen.]] |
| − | == Various | + | == Various AKs == |
| − | Some other guerrilla fighters are armed with AKs that are seen only | + | Some other guerrilla fighters are armed with AKs that are seen only at a distance, so it's impossible to identify the exact model. |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guerrilla fighter holds an AK during the attack on the village.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guerrilla fighter at the right fires an AK.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-6.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AK-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guerrilla fighter fires an AK (likely an AK-47 or Type 56) during the night attack of the government troops. The image is mirrored.]] |
= Machine Guns = | = Machine Guns = | ||
== Vickers Mk.1 == | == Vickers Mk.1 == | ||
| − | A water-cooled machine gun that | + | A water-cooled machine gun that appears to be based on a variant of the [[Vickers Mk.1 Machine Gun]] is mounted on the turret of the government armored car. It is likely a non-firing mock-up, as the machine gun lacks a barrel inside the water jacket, and the shooting is imitated. The Vickers Mk.1 was not used in the Civil War by either the Salvadoran Army or the FMLN guerrillas. |
[[Image:VickersMk1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Vickers Mk1 Machine Gun - .303 British]] | [[Image:VickersMk1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Vickers Mk1 Machine Gun - .303 British]] | ||
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The machine gun on the turret of the armored car. Note the wide opening of the water jacket and the lack of the barrel itself.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The flame is seen inside the water jacket.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fires at the guerrilla sniper of the bell tower. Note the lack of the cartridge belt.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-4.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fire!]] |
| − | = | + | = Explosives = |
== Hand Grenades == | == Hand Grenades == | ||
| − | Guerrilla fighters use hand grenades during the attack on the village. The grenades are seen only | + | Guerrilla fighters use hand grenades during the attack on the village. The grenades are seen only at a distance. |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Grenade-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Grenade-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fighter throws a grenade.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-Grenade-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-Grenade-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The grenade is seen in midair.]] |
= Trivia = | = Trivia = | ||
== Armored Car == | == Armored Car == | ||
| − | The government troops use an armored car against the guerrillas. Its main gun seems to be a | + | The government troops use an armored car against the guerrillas. Its main gun seems to be a mock-up. |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AC-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AC-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The armored car moves on the village street.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The main gun is seen.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-MachineGun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The main gun seem to be a mock-up.]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-AC-4.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-AC-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The armored car in the village after the battle.]] |
== Gun Crates == | == Gun Crates == | ||
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16Crate-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16Crate-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
| − | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16Crate-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Voces inocentes-M16Crate-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gun crates in the guerrilla camp are marked "M16/HBAR. Cal .223".]] |
[[Category:Movie]] | [[Category:Movie]] | ||
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Innocent Voices (Voces inocentes) is a 2004 Mexican war drama. It depicts the tragedy of the Salvadoran Civil War through the eyes of children, as narrated by eleven-year-old boy Chava.
The following weapons were used in the film Innocent Voices:
Handguns
M1911-Style Pistol
Chava's uncle Beto (José Maria Yazpik), a guerrilla fighter, holds an M1911-style pistol in one scene. M1911-style pistols are also used by officers of the Salvadoran Army.
Unidentified Revolver
An unidentified revolver is very briefly seen in the hands of a guerrilla fighter.
Shotguns
Unidentified Shotguns
Guerrillas use pump-action shotguns. These guns are seen very briefly and unclear.
Rifles
Unidentified Rifle
During the attack of the guerrillas on the village, one fighter fires an unidentified rifle from the bell tower.
Assault Rifles
M16
Most soldiers of the Salvadoran Army are armed with M16/SP1 assault rifles with 20- and 30-round magazines. Guerrillas also use M16s.
M16A2
Some soldiers and guerrilla fighters are armed with M16A2 assault rifles. Its appearance in the hands of the Salvadoran Army and FMLN guerillas is highly anachronistic; the M16A2 was not exported to El Salvador during the Civil War (by 1986, the M16A2 had only just been adopted by the US Army and Marine Corps), and the Salvadoran Army did not adopt the M16A2 for service until 2007.
ArmaLite AR-18
AR-18s are also seen in the hands of several soldiers. The AR-18 was never used by the Salvadoran Army during the Civil War.
AKM
Raton (Héctor Jiménez) carries an AKM.
Norinco Type 56
Some guerrilla fighters are armed with Norinco Type 56 assault rifles. During the shootout between guerrillas and soldiers, Chava picks up a Type 56.
Various AKs
Some other guerrilla fighters are armed with AKs that are seen only at a distance, so it's impossible to identify the exact model.
Machine Guns
Vickers Mk.1
A water-cooled machine gun that appears to be based on a variant of the Vickers Mk.1 Machine Gun is mounted on the turret of the government armored car. It is likely a non-firing mock-up, as the machine gun lacks a barrel inside the water jacket, and the shooting is imitated. The Vickers Mk.1 was not used in the Civil War by either the Salvadoran Army or the FMLN guerrillas.
Explosives
Hand Grenades
Guerrilla fighters use hand grenades during the attack on the village. The grenades are seen only at a distance.
Trivia
Armored Car
The government troops use an armored car against the guerrillas. Its main gun seems to be a mock-up.
