Talk:Matewan

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Matewan(1987) is the dramatised account of the 1920 battle that occurred during a coal strike in Matewan, West Virginia.
David Strathairn performs as sheriff Sid Hatfield who defends the town from the invading hired guns.

Firearm	Actor	Scene
Colt Revolvers	David Strathairn	Final Shootout
S&W Model 10 Revolver	Kevin Tighe	Final Shootout
Shotgun	Mary Mcdonnell	Final Shootout
Colt SAA	James Earl Jones	Kill Joe Kenehan
Bolt Action Rifle	Will Oldham	Final Shootout

Rifle

The rifle doesn't look like an M1903, rather some sort of Mauser. --Funkychinaman (talk) 02:57, 18 May 2014 (EDT)

Is this image flipped? --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:25, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

No, the image is at it appears in the film. There are flipped versions of it out there though ... http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.montgomerycollege.edu%2FDepartments%2Fhpolscrv%2Fknowlandl7.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.montgomerycollege.edu%2Fdepartments%2Fhpolscrv%2Fknowlandl.html&h=306&w=450&tbnid=KMkqiwUelsWQmM%3A&zoom=1&docid=x-PAleBSochH7M&ei=beV6U56XNcqMkwWRjYGwBQ&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&ved=0CF4QMygLMAs&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=582&page=1&start=0&ndsp=13

--686P (talk) 01:18, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

I'm not saying you flipped it, but it does appear to be flipped, since you can't see the bolt handle, and military bolt-action rifles almost always came right-handed. The screenshot you uploaded previously appears to be correct, since you can see the bolt handle clearly. --Funkychinaman (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

I'm not sure it's even the same gun. This image is one of the reasons I initially posted it as a Springfield. The harness buckle is missing in the second shot.--686P (talk) 09:11, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

It's probably on the left side of the gun. The only reason you could see it in the first one is because the first one is flipped. (Flipped images are not uncommon.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:56, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

There also seems to be a ramrod, not present on the rail image. --686P (talk) 12:29, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

I reversed the image and I see your point now. I agree about the harness buckle, it's slightly evident in the right handed riverside shot (I've reviewed several subsequent frames where it becomes clear). He's also right handed which explains his shooting from the left shoulder in the reverse image. Subsequent railside shots show the ramrod reappearing.--686P (talk) 13:05, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

IDs

Kevin Tighe's revolver appears to be a Colt rather a S&W, and James Earl Jones' revolver appears to be a Single Action Army. --Funkychinaman (talk) 01:17, 19 May 2014 (EDT) It is a .38 Colt Army Special(period correct) or the later Official Police.The image doesn't show the topstrap clearly enough to tell the difference. David Strathairn's Colts are not M1909s,which was a New Service which a sharkfin front sight and a lanyard ring. Both appear to Colt Official Polices, the righthand gun seems to be a 6 inch Heavy Barrel model which was introduced in 1936, while the left hand gun looks to have a 4 or 5 inch barrel. Neither have lanyard rings nor holes in the butt for one(I looked at a different still for the left hand gun)which you would see in a New Service. There is a photo of the real Hatfield posing with a 7.5 inch barreled New Service and a S&W with an apparent 5inch barrel; both guns appear to be nickel plated.--Tecolote (talk) 02:05, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

Agreed, Tighe's revolver shows a fully exposed ejector like the Colt New Army Models ... http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Colt_New_Army_%26_Navy --686P (talk) 05:06, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

I can't find a listing for Colt Army Special at this site though this video covers it ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjHZaLs3cw --686P (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

In other parts of the movie, both David Strathairn's revolver barrels appear to be the same length.--686P (talk) 05:42, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

Many thanks for the feedback so far. --686P (talk) 06:24, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

Considering that this was a relatively low budget movie I think they did a good job having firearms that represent the time period and place. None of those models would be unlikely to have been found in West Virginia in 1920. --Jcordell (talk) 23:31, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

Also that Colt that Kevin Tighe is using is more than likely a pre-WWII Colt OP. I can tell by looking at the screw and retaining flange under the cylinder. Very nice touch. Often you will see characters using a later model Colt OP or S&W M&P (50's or 60's) in a movie that takes place in the 30's or early 40's. I'm impressed.--Jcordell (talk) 23:34, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

Many thanks everyone for the contributions and corrections. It's great to have information from the more experienced and knowledgeable members help make this page accurate. I think this is a great movie and really have no-one who can advise me on the firearms used, or their chronological accuracy, but for the help from the members here. --686P (talk) 01:36, 20 May 2014 (EDT)