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2016 Discussion

Same shit different year.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 19:34, 31 December 2015 (EST)

Need help to ID the revolver

I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this revolver:

--Slon95 (talk) 12:52, 3 January 2016 (EST)

The overall shape and half underlug makes me think a S&W. Can't tell if the rod is shrouded or not, but it looks to be about the size of a K-frame. It has the lower profile sight and what looks to be a bull barrel, so if it is a S&W, it's either a Model 10HB or a Model 13 (more likely the former). But that's really a guess mostly, honestly can't tell much from that image. StanTheMan (talk) 02:21, 4 January 2016 (EST)

Weapons ID

I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this weapons

A Pistol:

A Submachine gun (I think, that's the same submachine gun, but it's may be different): Pyramid Silent (talk) 07:05, 5 January 2016 (EST)

Help me identify the pistol and assault rifle

Anyways:

Anime name: Pandora in the Crimson Shell: Ghost Urn

The rifle appears to be an AN-94. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:21, 9 January 2016 (EST)

Definitely an AN-94. As for the pistol, I could only say it looks similar to the SIG-Sauer P226.

Russian flag

I don't know, is this important or not, but Russian flag between 1991 and 1993 was another, differ than current: Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:13, 12 January 2016 (EST)

Former Russian flag (1991-1993).

Current Russian flag (since 1993).

The first flag wasn't approved officially. Let's use the one that is best known. Greg-Z (talk) 16:32, 12 January 2016 (EST) Please ignore my remark as I don't want to start a discussion. Greg-Z (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Any context to this?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2016 (EST)

According to wikipedia, "Official Flag of the Russian Federation from 25 December 1991 to 11 December 1993, when it was replaced by the present version." But I'll defer to the Russians here to figure this out. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:06, 12 January 2016 (EST)

I would like to avoid any discussion on this theme, except the only remark: if we would take in accout each and every change in state insignias, then we have to use 48-star USA flag for pre-1959 movies. Is there any sence in it? Greg-Z (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Alright, that's fair point. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:36, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Indeed. Or do we start using the Soviet flag for Russian films pre-1991? Etc. I don't really think this is all that important, and I agree with just sticking with the present-day national flags on the listings for the sake of simplicity. StanTheMan (talk) 13:12, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Sorry, I didn't thought that. Soviet flag also was changed at 1955. I agree - more commonly known flag are preferable. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:22, 13 January 2016 (EST)

I probably got too into the flags thing, but I do think it's important to recognize different eras. Minor tweaks like different shades of blue shouldn't be that big a deal. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:26, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Well it does mean we'll have to include other versions of flags as noted, Soviet flags for anything produced/filmed in USSR Russia, 48 star flags for US films pre-1959, and so forth. Seems like a good bit of extra work for negligible gain, though it is good to be thorough. Honestly, I'm ok either way. StanTheMan (talk) 00:31, 14 January 2016 (EST)

The Soviet-Produced category was created partly due to this, and also because it felt weird to put a Kazakh flag next to something made in the 60's. Like Greg said, if it's a minor variation, like number of stars or variation of color, leave it, if it's a change in government, go ahead. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:20, 14 January 2016 (EST)

See the can of worms you create when you start making pages overly complicated? ;) MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 21:57, 29 January 2016 (EST)

I need help to ID the firearms in my new page

I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody check my ID in the anime Violence Jack and help me to ID the unknown guns? Thanks! Pyramid Silent (talk) 06:01, 21 January 2016 (EST)

The first:

The Second:

SMG with carrying handle at the left.

The third:

The fourth:

(mounted on the helicopter)

The SMGs in the first and second sets appear to take after TDI Vectors to me. StanTheMan (talk) 13:19, 21 January 2016 (EST)

I'm sorry, but it's imposible: TDI Vector was designet at 2006 and doesn't exist at 1986. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:31, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Indeed. Ya got me, then. StanTheMan (talk) 00:14, 22 January 2016 (EST)

Bulletproof Mask

Season 10, Episode 19, 24 (2001).

Season 1, Episode 1, Hawaii Five-0 (2010).

Furious 7 (2015)

Does anyone know what these are? preferably providing a link to who makes them.--Thomas (talk) 15:46, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Googled it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:01, 21 January 2016 (EST)

They have been made by a few companies over the years, but my guess is that quite a few of the ones that you see in films/TV will not be real and will instead by Airsoft knock-offs. For example, the first one is an Airsoft mask made by Cactus Hobbies based on the masks from Army of Two. This goes for most armour in media, fake Airsoft stuff is cheaper, more easily available with no legal issues, lighter, and generally more comfortable. --commando552 (talk) 17:37, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Splitting article up?

Would like to ask anyone about splitting the Violence Jack article up since it has three different movies in it. Ominae (talk) 07:28, 22 January 2016 (EST)

Okay. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:31, 22 January 2016 (EST)

I'll see if I can ask Pyramid about doing that or failing that, do it myself. Ominae (talk) 09:04, 22 January 2016 (EST)

This series contain three movie without overall plot (the only common character is Jack himself). But, the first movie lasts 40 minutes (40 min. 35 sec.), the second and third - both near one hour (1 h. 2 min. - second movie and 1 h. 1 min. - third movie). So, I dont know, how it's better to issue. Pyramid Silent (talk) 09:24, 22 January 2016 (EST)

I know the policy on short films, what's the policy on OVAs again? --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:15, 22 January 2016 (EST)

Maybe I was wrong, but I think, that's better keep the single page for all three OVAs, than create different pages for movies from one series. Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:54, 22 January 2016 (EST)

It makes more sense to keep them together if they're OVAs. Can you work with someone to write a summary for the page then? --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2016 (EST)

I'm sorry, I don't understand: should I write the short summary for each of three OVAs (each three sections)? Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:35, 22 January 2016 (EST)

Just something at the top explaining that the page is for a series of three OVAs. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:54, 22 January 2016 (EST)

I add the summary. Maw do you think: is this page complite? Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:24, 22 January 2016 (EST)

I personally would separate on the basis that the article is too long to compile all of them together. But if no one raises an objection, then I shall stand aside. Ominae (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2016 (EST)

X-Files Pistol ID

Bah, after all this still seem to have just got something I missed, which I'm having a bit of trouble IDing, actually, hence this post - Some help, fellas? StanTheMan (talk) 16:07, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Colt Mustang Plus II? Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:40, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Its a Star Firestar, I believe the 9mm M-43 but not absolutely 100% sure about that last part. --commando552 (talk) 17:41, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Found an Image of a blued one to show it better:

Star Firestar M-43, blued finish - 9x19mm

--commando552 (talk) 18:09, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Ah, very good - thanks c552. Seems you don't see blued Firestars much which I guess is why I didn't think to check them. StanTheMan (talk) 23:54, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Question about Norinco Type 56

Hello all. Hopefully I am doing this correctly. I'm a new member and have never posted or edited anything before.

There seem to be two seperate rifles that are referred to as "Norinco Type 56". The first and most common is the Chinese version of the AK-47. I see this on multiple pages. The other seems to be a Chinese version of the SKS rifle built by Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant a.k.a "Izhmash". Now, the only spot on the SKS page that actually calls the Chinese version the "Norinco Type 56" is the bottom image on the Talk page for the SKS. I did notices that it's full name appears to be "Norinco Type 56 Carbine" in that image. The images on the main page just label it as the "Chinese built Type 56".

I was wondering if anyone had any info or any opinions on the accuracy of this? It just seems odd that two different (though admittedly similar) rifles by the same manufacturer would have exactly the same name. Even considering the SKS rifle is labeled "carbine", and that makes the names technically different, still doesn't seem quite right. Is the Chinese Type 56 SKS built by Norinco? Are both rifles referred to as the "Type 56"?

Anyway, any info or advice is appreciated. Thanks.

I remembered this article, which gives some background. The reds also called their copy of the RPD the Type 56 as well. The SKS Type 56 was considered a carbine, and the AK Type was considered a submachine gun. It's not too different than the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine and M1 Thompson being in service at the same time I suppose. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2016 (EST)

I believe that the Chinese AK, SKS and RPD variants were all introduced in 1956, hence the Type 56 designation. This is actually more sensible than other countries that reuse designations more randomly, for example the UK where L1A1 has referred to at least a rifle, a heavy machine gun, a grenade launcher, a rocket launcher, a bayonet, various fuses and detonators, a couple of grenades, and a tank gun, all from different years and with no particular relation between them. Also, on talk pages remember to sign your posts by either pressing the signature button at the top of the edit window, or by just typing in ~~~~. This way people can see who made the comment and when without looking through the edit history. --commando552 (talk) 08:35, 26 January 2016 (EST)

Hey thanks to both of you. I never thought about how it is basically the same with the "M1" name, but it makes perfect sense. Great article you linked to as well. I love stuff like that. And thanks for the advice on the signature thing... I was kinda wondering why my post was the only one with no user name or date at the end.--Kailin (talk) 09:55, 26 January 2016 (EST)

Is this pistol are Glock or not?

I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody say is this pistol are Glock or not? The same character also holds M1911A1, but methinks, that this pistol has different shape, but maybe, I'm wrong. Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2016 (EST)

Where are you getting Glock from? --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:37, 27 January 2016 (EST)

Methinks, that shape a similar to glock. But, maybe, I'm wrong. What about CZ-75? Pyramid Silent (talk) 04:28, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Where are you getting CZ-75? --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:10, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Looks more like some TT-33, 1911 thing. Really, it could just be a generic pistol thing and not supposed to actually look like an actual gun. Me thinks it's the later.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 10:48, 28 January 2016 (EST)

I think, that TT ID is correct. Thanks! After close inspection, I see, that this pistol has completely another trigger, differ, than TT or M1911. I shall continue searching. Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:24, 28 January 2016 (EST)

"Really, it could just be a generic pistol thing and not supposed to actually look like an actual gun"^^^ Remember, this is anime not a real gun. It's just lines on a cel. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Need help to ID a pistol

A character in Wild Geese II holds a pistol that looks very much alike a Colt Commander but has an external extractor. What can it be? I start doubting that it's an extractor at all, as it appears to be too short in comparison with external extractors on Star M1911 style pistols. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2016 (EST)

The best close view of the pistol.

The general view of the pistol.

Maybe a Llama of some sort? --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:23, 5 February 2016 (EST)

All images of Llama pistols that I could find show longer extractors that cross the slide serration, and none of them has a ring hammer spur. Greg-Z (talk) 16:35, 5 February 2016 (EST)

First thing that I think of is a Reck Commander, but I have no idea if they were around in 1985. Either way, my guess would be that it is some kind of blank fire only replica --commando552 (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2016 (EST)

Reck Commander matches perfectly, thanks! According to this article, it appeared in late 1970s. Greg-Z (talk) 03:45, 6 February 2016 (EST)

Need help to ID grenade launcher

Hello! I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this double barreled over/undrer grenade launcher? Pyramid Silent (talk) 18:05, 14 February 2016 (EST)

Close Up.

Looks like a GM-94 grenade launcher. --commando552 (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2016 (EST)

Thank you very much! Pyramid Silent (talk) 05:56, 15 February 2016 (EST)

Double checking assistance

Working on the Heavy Object article. Need another pair of eyes to double check on an unknown missile launcher. Ominae (talk) 10:08, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Destiny?

First things first, yes I have read all the rules about fictional weapons, and Destiny has a ton of them, but, there are a few exceptions. One such example would be that the Astronauts in the intro are clearly seen holding unmodified MK 18 Mod 0s which are painted white, the first gun you get is an M4 with lots of modifications, and the expansion features an AK with the mag in the stock(wtf?), a cross between a SCAR H and an ARX160, as well as handguns, some of which resemble sigs, others resemble Glocks. (Although not shown in the picture, it does have that same backplate as a glock.) Another thing worth noting is that the scout rifles have lowers that look almost identical to P90s. If we did make a page, I would only put weapons that are undoubtedly based on real ones. I normally wouldn't bring this up, but Black Ops III has a page, and none of the weapons are THAT close to real ones. If the answer is no, then fine, I'll leave it. I just felt it was worth a shot. (I'll admit that the sidearms and scout rifle might be a bit of a stretch)--BlackHawk510 (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2016 (EST)

I'm going to lean towards no. There was a lot of pushback on the BO3 page as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:39, 27 February 2016 (EST)

Alright, I'll leave it at that.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 01:01, 28 February 2016 (EST)

Durarara!!×2 Ketsu article help

Been trying to figure out in page on the grenade shown by Simon. Ominae (talk) 08:58, 28 February 2016 (EST)

Wow, that is a hell of a lot of weird grenades. I think they are all Russian, and firstly I believe that the F-1 is actually an RGD-5 based on the fact that it lacks the texture and you can just make out the centre rib. As for all the grenades on the sheet with the guns, I can make pretty good guesses at all of them. The green small one looks like a flashbang called the Drofa (these are green in real life like this but are more slender, there are also versions with tear gas that are thicker but are not green), and the spikey bottom one is another flashbang called a Zarya-2. As for the blue ones I am not sure, as there is a whole load of smoke, tear gas and flash grenades that have this general shape. The dark blue is reminiscent of an RGR tear gas grenade however the shape of the lever is wrong, looking more like a RGK-60SZ flashbang (I notice that the rest are also flashbangs, is this the type that all of these are meant to be?). Lastly, the big one is another flashbang, I believe called a Fakel. --commando552 (talk) 10:40, 28 February 2016 (EST)

Thanks. I found the rest of the details here, but it's in Russian. Otherwise, it confirms most of your info. Ominae (talk) 20:23, 28 February 2016 (EST)

If you need, I can make a translation of the Russian text, only a little later. Greg-Z (talk) 02:07, 29 February 2016 (EST)

That'd be great. Only in terms of confirming the IDs I made on the page. Ominae (talk) 02:40, 29 February 2016 (EST)

I put the translated text on your talk page. There are short descriptions and some data. Greg-Z (talk) 04:48, 29 February 2016 (EST)

I don't suppose you happen to able to work out what the difference is between Zarya, Zarya-2, Plamja, Plamja-M and Plamja-M2 grenades is do you? I have found pictures of both the larger and smaller grenades labelled as Zarya-2s with other places stating that the smaller is the Zarya, however, I have found kind of official looking schematics which call the smaller the Zarya-2, and from the stats you translated the Zarya-2 has a smaller weight and payload so doubt that it would be the larger one. As for the Plamja series do you know how these differ from the Zarya? Some places seem to suggest it is just a different fuse (I'm guessing impact, one translated source came out as "scratch" fuse), but from the stats they seem to have actually different effects. Also, does the shape of the lever on the fuse of Russian grenades mean anything or is it random? I originally dismissed the RGR as having the wrong shaped lever, but have now found images of ones with a matching double kink lever. --commando552 (talk) 05:57, 29 February 2016 (EST)

The source that I translated doesn't contain more info, but a brief search gives a good article in Russian; the first image in this source shows Plamya which is a sort of land mine rather than a grenade as it's not throwed by hand but planted on place. The second image is Zarya-2 (additions like -2, -M and similar usually mean modifications in size, weight, explosive charge, and so on). The third image shows a fuze at the left, Fakel (large white cylinder) in center, and Fakel-Salon (for usage indoors unlike Fakel that is intended for outdoor usage) at the right. The following images are Fakel, Vzlyot-M, GSZ, Vuyshka, GRD (a smoke grenade) and ASZ-40 Svirel for grenade launcher. About the fuze levers: the shape of the lever of the fuze is usually standard, and a different lever of the same fuze may be if the fuze is a training version, or sometimes if it was manufactured not in USSR/Russia but in other state (like UZRG fuse of Romanian and Bulgarian manufacture differs from a Russian one). Greg-Z (talk) 08:59, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Need help to identify a pistol

Please help to identify a Smith & Wesson pistol. It appears in a French 1991 movie. The combination of short slide, non-ambidexterious safety, fixed sights and rounded trigger guard doesn't match any of S&W pistols that I could find. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 02:35, 29 February 2016 (EST)

It is a nickel plated S&W 59. You can tell it is a 1st gen rather than a 2nd gen by the fact that the slide stop pin is in front of the double stack frame step. If it was a 2nd gen stainless though it would be a 659 as these were originally made with a round trigger guard and non-ambi safety. --commando552 (talk) 05:26, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Thanks! I searched only among stainless steel pistols and didn't have an idea that it could be a nickel plated pistol. Greg-Z (talk) 05:31, 29 February 2016 (EST)

London Has Fallen

Saw the movie today, and I highly recommend it. Lots of action, plausible plot, stunning visual effects. Of course there was a wide variety of weapons in use, too many to count or study at first glance. Plenty of battlefield pickups.

The movie doesn't seem to be restricted by political "correctness." The "bad guys" are Arab males who live in the Middle East, but their religion isn't mentioned. The "motive" for the terror isn't jihad, but revenge. These particular bad guys are arms dealers who supply jihadist groups, seeking revenge against the US for a drone strike which took out the daughter of the main villain.

Meh, pc:ness is overrated. If someone is offended, maybe they shouldn´t watch these generic action movies. I´ve been waiting to see London Has Fallen myself, but it premieres in cinemas in April where I live... --Warejaws (talk) 02:14, 5 March 2016 (EST)

Seeking input for article!

Hello IMFDB community!

I am a journalist writing about games and technology, and I'm currently writing an article about weapons in video games. Specifically, the piece is about the difference between games with realistic present-day weapons and games with fantastical sci-fi weapons. A focal point will be the way that the Call of Duty franchise has shifted from historical settings to near-future settings to more distant futures, and how the weapons in the game have shifted along with that.

I stumbled upon the IMFDB while researching this piece, and the way you include certain games but exclude other more fanciful franchises (E.g. Halo, Destiny) really highlights some of the things I'm trying to explore in this article.

I was hoping to talk to someone in your community about how decisions are made on which games you cover, and what the criteria are. (Policy is spelled out quite clearly on the site, but I'd love to hear a little bit of the history of how the current consensus was arrived at, and what some of the points of contention have been over the years.)

I would also love to talk to someone who enjoys games that feature accurate real-world weapons, and has contributed to IMFDB pages about those games.

If you're up for an interview, you can contact me a chrisbaker1337 at gmail.

Thanks so much!

The site originally covered movies and TV, anime and video games were added later. Certain sci-fi/fantasy weapons are included here because they were built from real weapons, like the pulse rifles in Aliens or the blasters in Star Wars. This excludes video games like Halo and Destiny. In theory, if someone were to make a live-action Halo movie using real firearms (Forward Unto Dawn used replicas with CGI muzzle flash), that might open the door Halo. As for COD, I'm disappointed that it's strayed so far into sci-fi, but I suppose it makes sense from a business perspective. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:32, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

I know I've said this before, or something like this, but I would like to mention that there are quite a few of Destiny's weapons that are combinations of real ones, (E.G. the "Arminius-D" is simply a combination of a SCAR-H and a Beretta ARX160), and there are some obvious AR15s (unmodified Mk18 carbines in the intro, and a heavily modified M4 which has the receiver almost untouched is the first weapon acquired), so Destiny is still something you could mention in your article, although its qualification for an IMFDB page is still quite debatable.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 13:31, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

ID check

Need someone to go help and look over this and see if I made a boo boo in IDing them. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 10:33, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

The revolver ID'd as a Model 67 appears to have a 5 round cylinder along with a shoruded ejector rod, my guess would be that it is a newer Model 60 with a 3" barrel and adjustable sights. Also, to me none of the "LA gangsters" in that shot are using Glocks, the one on the right has a Ruger and the one on the left has what looks like a SIG, my guess a P226 but can't really tell. I'm not sure about the Kimar Lady K either, that is identifiable most easily by the black trigger guard and controls which are not present on this gun. The shape also looks slightly off for a Walther PP/PPK, with it lacking a safety, the slide serrations are different and the magazine release is too low. --commando552 (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

I made some remarks on IDs on the talk page, check there. StanTheMan (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

Call of Duty Black Ops Commando.

Most people saying that is an Colt 933, or an Colt 733 (M4 Commando). Also some said that "Firstly, as far as I know there is no such thing as a Model 733 with a flat top, that is just a Model 933. What do you think the difference is? The gun in the game isn't a Model 933 or a 733 though, as regardless of the different design of rail, it also has a slickside upper receiver without a FA or BD. The closest match I can come up with would be a GAU-5A/A with a flash hider rather than the moderator (which was actually done) with a fictional/custom upper with a sight rail. --commando552". He said it in the link. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Talk:Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops#Commando_in_Black_Ops. I'm am trying to figure it out what the gun really is. --Treliazz777 (talk) 22:27, 15 April 2016 (EDT)

I don't get what it is you're trying to ask here, frankly - Is it about the gun in the game or the gun image here? If the latter, well the gun in that image is a Model 933 with an older 'Fiberlite' collapsible stock, rather than the later M4-style 6-position stock. But it's still a M933 - Per commando552's quote there, Model 733s do not have, nor ever had flat-top removable carry handle upper receivers (Refer to the Colt AR-15 Identification Guide). If the former, my remarks (if any) will be in the linked discussion page. StanTheMan (talk) 01:15, 16 April 2016 (EDT)

Checkup

Need help from fellow editors to see if my IDing is okay. Ominae (talk) 02:08, 16 April 2016 (EDT)

It looks okay to me, the unknown sniper rifle Sara is using could be Nemesis Arms Vanquish or Kel-Tec RFB, I'm not too sure. I suppose there's no better view of the rifle in any part of the episode? --CnC Fin (talk) 03:04, 16 April 2016 (EDT)

Looks like a Vanquish. The way she holds it wouldn't make sense if it's a Kel-Tec. I also took a look at the barrel as well. Ominae (talk) 08:51, 16 April 2016 (EDT)

Most of it looks good, there's a couple IDs I question, but I'll note that on the talk page. I do believe the rifle you refer is indeed a Nemesis Arms Vanquish. StanTheMan (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2016 (EDT)

Another year...

...another CoD game Trigger warning for those easily offended, but i actually think it looks fun as hell.

I'm not to sure about making an entry for this game, however, along with Infinite Warfare comes the Modern Warfare remake, should we add some new screens form that "remaster" to the current CoD:MW entry?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

I didn't see anything identifiable. Even if it is eligible, and at the moment, I don't think it is, it's a bit early. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:35, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

I think this game is going for the Frankengun designs, judging by this image. From what I can tell, this is going the Halo route in terms of weapon designs.--SeanWolf (talk) 23:26, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

Looks like a mismatch of random weapon parts

Looks like a mix between that Magpul PDR, a P90 and it seems to have something similar to a LR-300 handguard betweem the sights for some reason. Why are guns so bulky in the future?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:06, 4 May 2016 (EDT)