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Season 4 Webisodes "The Oath"

The following weapons were used in the 3-part webisode series entitled "The Oath":

Smith & Wesson Model 60

What appears to be a Smith & Wesson Model 60 is seen in the hands of both Karina (Ashley Bell) and Paul (Wyatt Russell).

Early version of the Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .38 Special Only
The Smith & Wesson Model 60 is seen in the hands of Karina (Ashley Bell) in "The Oath, Part 1".
Closeup of the revolver in "The Oath, Part 1".
The revolver is held by Paul (Wyatt Russell) in "The Oath, Part 3".

Please help ID

Please help ID the following weapons.

The survivor on the left has a holstered pistol (a Browning Hi-Power, perhaps?) and the survivor on the right has an AR-15 type rifle.
Unfortunately I can't place the logo on the lower which would possibly tell us exactly what it is, but I believe the handguard is a Troy Industries. --commando552 (talk) 16:00, 25 November 2013 (EST)
The forearm is a Todd Jarrett Competition Series hand guard by Yankee Hill Machine, the YHM-9484 end cap helps gives it away. Muzzle device is a YHM-27-ZH flash hider, the BUIS are YHM-5010's, the vertical grip is a CAA-BVG, and the stock is a Magpul CTR/MOE. It is possibly a complete rifle from YHM, although the logo on the lower is too blurry to say for sure, however, the rifle is def not a Z-M LR300 as listed on the main page. Jaysoda75 (talk) 19:34, 1 April 2014 (EDT)

I don't think that's a Hi-Power. The wood grips don't curve, and they have a punch-pin cut-out. Also, when you zoom in, you'll see a full tang. Still a little odd. May be a non-gun, if not a standard 1911 with 'Novak' sights. --Gwhysow (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2014 (EST)

The pistol already is ID'ed. --Ben41 (talk) 20:14, 24 February 2014 (EST)


Long Rifle nr. 1

Another shot of the rifle. Also notice the tan-colored pistol on his belt. A tan Beretta Px4 Storm?..
The same rifle is also seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
I think it might be a Smith & Wesson M&P with a tan frame, you get a better look at it when everybody starts shouting at each other a few seconds after this where you can see the M&P style beavertail on the grip. --commando552 (talk) 15:56, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Long Rifle nr. 2

As some of you know, I'm not the expert to come see when you want to identify an AR-15, but I think this rifle is a a KAC SR-15. Daryl Dixon hands Bob Stookey a long rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Maggie also handles the rifle during the same episode.

Daryl hands Bob the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
Bob fires the rifle (S4E08).
Bob fires.
Maggie holds Bob's rifle after he is injured (S4E08).

Looks like a Dissipator type carbine fitted with a KAC M5 RAS and A2 buttstock. Spartan198 (talk) 07:18, 3 December 2013 (EST)

It's an Knights Armament SR15 heres my picture:

KACSR15BOBSTOOKEYTWD.jpg
Made via pimp my gun User:Heisenberg
The rifle has been identified long ago. Please do not upload anymore unnecessary animated Pimp My Gun renditions of real steel weapons on this page, as the server space (believe it or not) is limited. There is a page for a KA SR-15 already, and it has a proper image of a real steel weapon. Feel free to use it accordingly. --Warejaws (talk) 09:43, 5 February 2014 (EST)
It definitely isn't the SR-15 IWS it is currently ID'd as though, due to the fact that the gun in the show has a standard KAC M5 RAS handguard as opposed to the IWS which has a KAC URX 3.1 handguard. --commando552 (talk) 10:02, 5 February 2014 (EST)
Gas block is also wrong for an SR-15 as well as it lacking the distinctive KAC lower with ambi bolt release and sling mounting point. Nothing on this rifle matches the configuration of any SR-15 variant, hence why I suggested a Dissipator carbine. Spartan198 (talk) 21:21, 8 February 2014 (EST)
There's a good chance it could be a C7 or C8. It could also be an m16A4 without carrying handle. User:Heisenberg

Long Rifle nr. 3

It seems commando was right, this particular rifle is fitted with a PRS stock.

A survivor has a large frame rifle in "Dead Weight", that I can't put my finger on...
One of the Governor's men fires his rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). (Another SR-15?)

--Warejaws (talk) 14:56, 25 November 2013 (EST)

The large frame rifle I believe its a McMillan rifle it has the same design it's gotta be that or some other sniper rifle.--Balin21 (talk) 15:22, 25 November 2013 (EST)
I'm fairly sure it is actually an AR-15 (or possibly an AR-10) fitted with a Magpul PRS stock. --commando552 (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2013 (EST)

M1911 in the dirt

In the teaser for S4E1, Rick finds a mud-covered M1911-type pistol when tending a garden.

Yes, I just watched the first episode and Rick finds the M1911 in the dirt. He examines it, sees the magazine is still inside a fully loaded, then tosses the gun and mag in a wheelbarrow. The M1911 itself looks like a Colt Government MK IV Series 70. --PyramidHead (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2013 (EDT)


Some tips

Few tips that would be good to follow:

1. STOP always putting the name of an actor in every screenshot description when it has been written a lot of times in previous screencap descriptions. Also, stop unnecessarily linking and writing the full names of actors and guns in picture descriptions. How can you have nerves for that!?

2. STOP writing every damn title's section with big letters, e.g. "Submachine Guns (wrong) and shotgun gauges (it's written "12 gauge", not "12 Gauge", it's a gauge, not a named caliber; 12 Lapua Magnum).

3. For season-episode abbreviations, write "S04E01" – with zeros, instead of "S4E1" (again wrong).

...and 4th, but less important; "×" is more preferable than just writing letter "x" in calibers that mainly use metric designations. Thanks! TitaniumAlloy (talk) 16:06, 28 October 2013 (EDT)

Why? I'm from Europe (we use the metric system) and I showed the Xs to my friend. He said the regular "x" is the best, as do I. How the heck do you even make that friggin' puny hipster-x? --Warejaws (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
Are these for whom?... --Warejaws (talk) 16:20, 28 October 2013 (EDT)
The reason why the "G" in titles such as "Submachine Guns" is capitalized is because these are being treated as headings. Please do not change this. --Ben41 (talk) 02:57, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
Ben, doesn't matter if it's a heading or not, IMFDb is a Wiki-type page. In en.wiki or any other Wikipedia, headings are not capitalized. We should follow & do the same, in the right correct way. TitaniumAlloy (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
I agree on your number 1 & 3 (my style), but in my opinion the headings should be capitalized. As you said we're a wiki-TYPE database... --Warejaws (talk) 13:58, 29 October 2013 (EDT)
Yes, headings should be capitalized as any other title would be. Wikipedia's policies, whatever they may be, don't apply here because we aren't Wikipedia. Spartan198 (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
I eliminated the "zero" from the Season number to save space and series rarely go into double digits. Space is sometimes needed when filling in columns. --Ben41 (talk) 04:03, 31 October 2013 (EDT)

Dr. Caleb's shotguns stash

TWDS04E05shotguns.JPG

I'm having trouble identifying some of these shotguns I know that one of them a Ithaca can anyone ID the rest?--Balin21 (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2013 (EST)

The one at the right is a Remington 870 and the one with the black grip appears to be a Mossberg 500. --Ben41 (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2013 (EST)
Cool thank you.

Mitch's Tank

First seen in "Dead Weight," new character Mitch has a tank that he apparently drove around no problem. Can anyone identify what tank it is exactly? I'm thinking M60 Patton. --PyramidHead (talk) 21:30, 25 November 2013 (EST)

I'm thinking M60 as well. Spartan198 (talk) 04:28, 26 November 2013 (EST)

"Dead Weight" (S4E07)

Even more erroneous, the characters talk about the tank as if it is still in service. The M60 hasn't been in US service since 1997. I realize that getting ahold of an actual Abrams is extremely difficult, but the producers could have done what they did in Season 1 and mock up a British Chieftain tank. That at least can somewhat pass as an Abrams. --Antediluvial (talk) 00:05, 27 November 2013 (EST)

Getting a real Abrams would mean requesting to borrow one from the DoD, since AFAIK the only M1 Abrams in private ownership is the burnt out wreck of an early XM1. The Patton was probably cheaper to rent than the Chieftain. You'd think that with TWD being such a ratings success, AMC would increase the show's per episode budget rather than keep slashing it. Spartan198 (talk) 01:45, 27 November 2013 (EST)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the Patton. Mitch has been driving around this Vietnam era museum piece for like two something years now apparently. --PyramidHead (talk) 09:32, 27 November 2013 (EST)

Confirmed. yeah... It is M60A3 but I think that tank was abandoned and it's turret was removed. I think that was taken from vietnam era museum or no... Even erroneous. I found something here http://www.battletanks.com/images/M60A3-2.jpg --PaulD21x (talk) 20:54 (VE), 28 November 2013

I believe it is more likely an M60A1, as a trivia thing in "The Talking Dead" said that it was built in 1971 and the M60A3 was not built until 1978. Also, apparently it was leant to the production by a private collector, and was used in the Vietnam War. --commando552 (talk) 13:35, 2 December 2013 (EST)
I don't believe the M60s were ever deployed to Vietnam. Although they were introduced into service at the time, new tanks would most likely be sent to Europe first to face off against the Soviets and the Warsaw Pact forces' new T-62s. The M48s were sufficient for the Vietnam battlefield and were the only US MBTs deployed there.--Wildcards (talk) 04:54, 30 December 2013 (EST)
Only the M60 AVLB and M728 Combat Engineer Vehicle variants were deployed to Vietnam. I've read in a couple of books that there were supposedly concerns about the M60 MBT being too heavy and sinking into wetlands, but my guess is the DoD probably didn't want to Sovs getting any combat data on their new toy. Spartan198 (talk) 17:20, 25 October 2019 (EDT)

Additonal screenshots

Bob holds his M4A1 with just a scope rail attached in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).
Bob Stookey draws his 92FS. this scene was cut from the episode.

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UZI in "S4E8 Too Far Gone"

The Uzi held by one of the Governor's Men isn't an IMI Uzi but a Umarex 22cal UZI . You can see a slot in the Magazine, that is indicative of the 22cal. -insertjjs

Abraham's pistol and Rosita's guns

The grip shape, back of the slide, and safety look like that of a Desert Eagle. Also, can anyone tell what kind of rifle Rosita is holding? Looks to me like a Mini-14 with black furniture and no stock, but its hard to make out. And her pistol looks like a 1911 type by the grip. Spartan198 (talk) 11:23, 18 February 2014 (EST)

I think it is a Krinkov AK of some sort, I would probably say it is an AKS-74U as the mag looks pretty straight but can't tell for sure without a better look. As for the pistols I would agree with the Desert Eagle, but I don't think Rosita has 1911s as I see no grip safety, there is a finger step at the bottom of the grip and the grips appears to be part of a polymer frame rather than a metal frame with grip plates. Based on their apparent size of the pistols and the shape of the grip I would say they might be H&K Mk 23s, but this is just a guess really as they are barely seen. --commando552 (talk) 12:59, 18 February 2014 (EST)
Yeah, I'm rethinking the Desert Eagle myself because it doesn't look to have the Eagle's long beavertail (the Walking Dead Wiki does have this image of him holding what's clearly a Desert Eagle, though), but the hammer is definitely wrong for a MK23. Too much of it is exposed, whereas all you can see of the MK23's hammer when uncocked (like it is in the screenshots) is a small round nub. Spartan198 (talk) 14:40, 18 February 2014 (EST)
No, you misunderstood my, I agree that Abraham has a Desert Eagle (and you can see that it has the long beavertail, it is in-line with the back edge of the belt loop of his holster). It is Rosita that I think has the pair of Mk 23s due to the points I previously said. --commando552 (talk) 18:21, 18 February 2014 (EST)
Well, at least one of Rosita's pistols is a two-tone SIG P220 or 226 (it isn't shown close up and her hands cover the frame where the double stack bulge on a P226 would be). She used it quite prominently in tonight's episode. And you were right about her rifle, it's an AKS-74U (not an AKMSU, I paid special attention to the curvature of the mag which is a 5.45mm mag) with the stock removed. Spartan198 (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2014 (EST)
I knew that Rosita's rifle had to be some type of AK-74 variant just by the curvature of the magazine alone. 5.45x39mm magazines have noticeably less curvature to them than 7.62x39mm magazines. I noticed that somebody had incorrectly pegged Rosita's rifle for an AKMSU at first, but now I see that this error has since been corrected. --Kepiblanc (talk) 04:49, 4 March 2014 (EST)
There were some better shots of Rosita's holstered pistols in ep. 15, at least the one in her right hand holster is definitely a USP with a stainless slide. --commando552 (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2014 (EDT)

M16 in "Claimed"

I'm watching the episode again and it's clearly shown as having a 3-prong flash hider. Isn't that indicative of an original M16 or XM16E1? Spartan198 (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2014 (EST)

Where do they carry their extra magazines?

As I have been watching Season 4 of TWD, one thing that I have noticed is that none of these people ever seem to be carrying extra magazines for their rifles. Some of these Season 4 characters have been outfitted with combat web gear, like Tyreese, who wears an old ALICE suspenders/belt set, but mostly, they always seem to lack any noticeable pouches on their outfits to carry some extra magazines for the tactical rifles that they are armed with. Most of these tactical rifles that we have seen so far on Season 4 of TWD use magazines with capacities of 20, 30, or more rounds. These types of magazines are relatively bulky, so it's not like most people could keep a few of them inside the pockets of their clothing. With pistol magazines this is plausible, but not with tactical rifle magazines. Yes, I realize that TWD is just a TV show, but the oversight of a small detail like this still bothers me a bit. Would you want to walk around in a zombie apocalypse world with just one 30-round magazine for your rifle? Those of you who have military experience will likely know that carrying six to eight extra rifle magazines on your person is not a problem when you are equipped with some adequate combat web gear. --Kepiblanc (talk) 05:34, 4 March 2014 (EST)

A lot of times, the regular characters are carrying backpacks, so it's plausible they're kept in there. --Ben41 (talk) 07:47, 4 March 2014 (EST)
And that's already stretching the limits of truth when none of the characters have any trigger discipline when shooting their rifles in full auto, wasting all their bullets. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:37, 4 March 2014 (EST)
Carrying extra rifle magazines in a backpack would work, sure, but that would definitely slow down the reloading sequence and make it clumsy too. This is why soldiers and cops have been carrying their extra rifle magazines in pouches attached to their web gear for many years. This is also why the smart survivors of a zombie apocalypse should not only go to where the firepower is stored at, like a gun shop, but also to where the tactical gear is stored at, like a military surplus shop. --Kepiblanc (talk) 11:17, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Harley's Rifle

One of the marauders named Harley I believe has a real Mosin Nagant rifle I could tell by the magazine and a straight bolt action lever can anyone confirm?--Balin21 (talk) 18:06, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

I agree on that one, but you never get a great look at it. --PyramidHead (talk) 21:29, 10 March 2014 (EDT)
The rifle that Harley has is very likely a Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine. I know several people who own this variant of the Mosin-Nagant rifle. The Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine comes with a permanently affixed, side-folding, cruciform-spike bayonet. In the S04E15 episode "Us", Harley uses the bayonet on his rifle to kill a walker. This was the walker that got stuck on the barbed wire perimeter that Harley's group used to protect their overnight encampment. We are able to get a very good look at the bayonet on this rifle during this scene. I was able to see how the bayonet on this rifle is both a spike-type and a side-folder. --Kepiblanc (talk) 09:20, 24 March 2014 (EDT)
TWDS4E13 07.jpg
TWDS4E13 12.jpg

Beth's Revolver in Inmates

At the beginning of "Inmates" (S4E10), I remember seeing Beth use some kind of revolver while fighting off zombies with Daryl, can anyone get a screenshot of this? Beth also gets some kind of Glock off a walker in "Alone" (S4E13).--Alienqueen11 (talk) 21:30, 18 March 2014 (EDT)

"Inmates" (S4E10
"Inmates" (S4E10
"Alone" (S4E13)
"Alone" (S4E13)

Thanks Ben41, the Glock looks like it could be another Glock 19, it looks compact enough. The revolver I'm not so sure, is possible that it's the Smith & Wesson Model 36 with 3 inch barrel from "Internment" (S4E05)?--Alienqueen11 (talk) 01:42, 19 March 2014 (EDT)

Tony's Revolver

Tony carries this revolver in "Us" (S4E15). Please help ID. --Ben41 (talk) 18:44, 24 March 2014 (EDT)

"Us" (S4E15)
"Us" (S4E15)

I don't know for sure, but judging from the grip and trigger guard, Tony's revolver looks much like a Smith & Wesson Model 327, don't know how likely it is though. Also, can anyone get a shot of Joe's Remington 870, it has a rather unique look to it, it has a wood fore grip and the stock is black or covered in tape.--Alienqueen11 (talk) 19:11, 24 March 2014 (EDT)

Thanks for the shot, Ben.--Alienqueen11 (talk) 21:03, 25 March 2014 (EDT)

SE4 finale weapons

Rick is seen with what appears to be a springfield armory 1911. Michonne uses what appears to be a S&W model 60. Various Ak's and M4's, maybe even a ar10 is seen being used at Terminus. I'm afraid I can't upload any pictures or weapons because I don't now what they are. Can someone help? User:Heisenberg

Just went to Walking Dead Wiki, they've got PNG images of Rick's 1911. Can anyone convert these to JPG's? User:Heisenberg

Rick's pistol isn't a Springfield, but rather a Smith & Wesson SW1911SC "E series":
Smith & Wesson SW1911SC "E Series" - .45 ACP
--commando552 (talk) 06:14, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

I noticed that when Rick holds the pistol to the temple of the guy in Terminus in the season finale, he does not have the hammer cocked. Pistol will not fire. User:Wheelman14

There were a couple of continuity errors I noticed when Joe was holding it on Rick the hammer was mostly uncocked but several times it switched between cocked and uncocked. It's definitely a S&W 1911 as well, the slide serrations are a dead giveaway. I'm pretty sure it's not the same pistol that is used in the Jesse Stone films, that one has the normal slanted cocking serrations not the wavy ones. Plus I think that the pistol used in the Jesse Stone films is Tom Selleck's personal gun due to the Gunsite logo on it and the fact that he has used the same (or at least very similar) pistols in other shows/films. --cool-breeze (talk) 06:02, 2 April 2014 (EDT)
That pistol is a regular SW1911SC as opposed to this which is the "E Series". Not only do the scale serrations give it away, but I seem to remember there was actually a point in the episode where you got a very brief glimpse of the unique "E Series" grips. As for the hammer thing, I think hammer position is probably the most common goof and continuity error that you will see in films and TV, probably even above the never ending magazine. --commando552 (talk) 07:03, 2 April 2014 (EDT)

The Terminus sniper had what looked like an M14 or M1A in an EBR-style stock. Spartan198 (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2014 (EDT)

When Rick is holding Alex at gunpoint with the 1911, A Terminus soldier has a Magpuled M4 with an Eotech. When Rick, Daryl, Michonne and Carl are running through Terminus, a Terminus soldier is on top of the roof with an Ak type rifle. When Rick and co are surrounded by people at the fence, an M16A1 can be seen. Got any pictures? Heisenberg

Got em:

M16
M4A1
Norinco Type 56

Walther P22 airsoft gun

It's mentioned in the article that the Walther P22 being fired by Lizzie is probably a gas blowback airsoft gun. However, I cannot find a single example of this kind of pistol available for sale. Only the P99 and PPQ exist. Chitoryu12 (talk) 18:00, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

Umarex of Arkansas owns a bunch of trademarks, including Walther and HK, and they do make a Walther P22, but it's spring powered only, and unlike their fantastic little P99QA (which I have two of) isn't even good as a prop, as it's all clear. This is the only P22 I'm aware of in existence, gas or otherwise. It's safe to say this is the real deal. You don't see too many rimfire GBB pistols, as they aren't as popular with people who don't target shoot (not in enough video games, I suspect). --That's the Way It's Done (talk) 20:46, 10 February 2015 (EST)

AR10SB is not an AR10

It can be seen that the rifle is fitted with a 30 round PMag, which makes it obvious that it is not a 7.62x51mm rifle. DeadpoolDeadcool (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2014 (EST)

No, certainly not an AR-10. I've changed it to Unidentified AR-15 variant for now, since I don't know what model it specifically is. Spartan198 (talk) 20:43, 11 February 2015 (EST)

Missing gun entry in episode 15

So I was rewatching episode 15 "Us" and I saw that Eugene had a holstered handgun and pulled the pistol when a zombie fell from a tower and showed more detail of the pistol in the holster when Abraham and the Co. separated ways with Glenn and Tara before going through a train tunnel, it kinda looked like a H&K P9S, but I think I was wrong.

Eugene has a handgun holstered on the left in a production still of episode 15.
TWDS4E15 41.jpg
TWDS4E15 43.jpg


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