User talk:Rufford

Patriot

The RMA Patriot is not a "machine gun;" we use the proper definition of the term rather than the legal (under which a bent piece of metal or a shoelace can be classified as machine guns) and the Patriot is a compact semi-automatic carbine. While RMA does seem to think it sells a fullauto NFA version to military and LE customers, I doubt anyone has ever actually bought such a thing, and it's more correct to say any Patriot you're likely to see in media either is semi-auto or was manufactured as a semi-auto and then converted by a movie armourer.

The MGS3 / 4 "Patriot" has some resemblance to a RMA Patriot in terms of overall configuration, but also a fair few differences, which is why we don't list it there; it's not listed under M231 Firing Port Weapon either. Evil Tim (talk) 11:17, 25 November 2012 (EST)

This is why I reverted your MGS 3 edit. Evil Tim sums it up perfectly. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 11:35, 25 November 2012 (EST)

While RMA does seem to think it sells a fullauto NFA version to military and LE customers, I doubt anyone has ever actually bought such a thing- That is surprisingly condescending statement from an admin. RMA is a type 7 FFL, they know exactly what they make and sell. I have fired a Full-Auto Patriot (manufactured that way by RMA), I am making these edits from first hand knowledge of the firearm and the manufacturer.--Rufford (talk) 11:43, 25 November 2012 (EST)

On MGS3/4 If it looks like a Patriot and is called a Patriot,why does the entry go on and on about the M231? It seems like the author went out of their way to not mention that the Rocky Mountain Arms AR-15 pistol pictured is called a Patriot.--Rufford (talk) 11:43, 25 November 2012 (EST)