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:::Well, it's a bit more complicated with SIG than with Glock to label things in "Generations". I have certainly heard terms like "Gen 1" and "Gen 2" to describe Glocks (in fact, I often use them in my own articles), but when it comes to SIGs, they've made a zillion little changes to the guns every couple years to refine problems that developed. Like the moves from stamped to milled slides, K-kote and stainless finishes, magazine release changes, standard frames to railed frames (which are now standard on all of the P220-series guns, so they don't use the "R" to describe them anymore), etc, etc, etc. Plus, there were mechanical changes (i.e. redesign of the trigger bar spring) and ergonomic changes (i.e. redesign of the grips). These aren't changes that were introduced in any concrete "generations"; any SIG pistol you pick up might have some of the design changes, but lack others.
 
:::Well, it's a bit more complicated with SIG than with Glock to label things in "Generations". I have certainly heard terms like "Gen 1" and "Gen 2" to describe Glocks (in fact, I often use them in my own articles), but when it comes to SIGs, they've made a zillion little changes to the guns every couple years to refine problems that developed. Like the moves from stamped to milled slides, K-kote and stainless finishes, magazine release changes, standard frames to railed frames (which are now standard on all of the P220-series guns, so they don't use the "R" to describe them anymore), etc, etc, etc. Plus, there were mechanical changes (i.e. redesign of the trigger bar spring) and ergonomic changes (i.e. redesign of the grips). These aren't changes that were introduced in any concrete "generations"; any SIG pistol you pick up might have some of the design changes, but lack others.
  
:::So I'm not really sure how each "generation" would be described exactly. In fact, it'd be kind of weird to call the gun in your picture a "Gen 1" because that's technically not true - the very first P220 was the model with the magazine release on the bottom of the grip, which was eventually replaced by what gun rags used to call the "P220 American" (which was the first model to feature the regular push-button mag release, and the best description for McCauley's gun). Would that make McCauley's gun a Gen 2? I'm not really sure.
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:::So I'm not really sure how each "generation" would be described exactly. In fact, it'd be kind of weird to call the gun in your picture a "Gen 1" because that's technically not true - the very first P220 was the model with the magazine release on the bottom of the grip, which was eventually replaced by what gun rags used to call the "P220 American" (the first model to feature the regular push-button mag release, and the best description for McCauley's gun). Would that make McCauley's gun a Gen 2? I'm not really sure. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
  
 
==Defense Technologies==
 
==Defense Technologies==

Revision as of 05:12, 11 August 2008

Heat

You should replace my screenshot of Trejo's AK's front sight with yours. Mine is from a low-quality AVI rip of the movie.

Also, what's a "P220-1"? I don't think I've ever heard that term used to describe a P220 before. Are you just referring to the fact that it's an older model P220 with a stamped slide and alloy frame?

It's what someone else listed it as earlier before. I assume it is meant to label the oldr model but I too haven't heard the term, I just went along with it. I don't change something unless it looks wrong or I think it is. Leave your username so I can respond back to you.
Oh, right, I always forget to do that. Personally, I wish IMFDB would add an option to automatically sign messages on other people's walls.
From what I've been reading, "P220-1" is apparently what some magazines for the gun are marked. I also see that the picture you found on a Google image search is also labeled "P220-1". I don't think it's a factory term (or even a fan-made term) for older-model P220s. I've heard the term "P220 American" to describe the P220s that have the magazine release near the decocker (as opposed to the bottom of the grip, which characterized the early European models) because this was apparently done specifically for the American market. -MT2008
Well, it's a bit more complicated with SIG than with Glock to label things in "Generations". I have certainly heard terms like "Gen 1" and "Gen 2" to describe Glocks (in fact, I often use them in my own articles), but when it comes to SIGs, they've made a zillion little changes to the guns every couple years to refine problems that developed. Like the moves from stamped to milled slides, K-kote and stainless finishes, magazine release changes, standard frames to railed frames (which are now standard on all of the P220-series guns, so they don't use the "R" to describe them anymore), etc, etc, etc. Plus, there were mechanical changes (i.e. redesign of the trigger bar spring) and ergonomic changes (i.e. redesign of the grips). These aren't changes that were introduced in any concrete "generations"; any SIG pistol you pick up might have some of the design changes, but lack others.
So I'm not really sure how each "generation" would be described exactly. In fact, it'd be kind of weird to call the gun in your picture a "Gen 1" because that's technically not true - the very first P220 was the model with the magazine release on the bottom of the grip, which was eventually replaced by what gun rags used to call the "P220 American" (the first model to feature the regular push-button mag release, and the best description for McCauley's gun). Would that make McCauley's gun a Gen 2? I'm not really sure. -MT2008

Defense Technologies

Here is a picture of what the DefTech/Federal Labs launcher looks like:

Federallabs37.jpg

These have appeared in quite a few films, often portrayed as HE grenade launchers (RoboCop 3 is a good example). Anyway, it could be a C.A.W., but the arms of the folding stock visible in the second pic look kind of like DefTech to me. Hopefully, Al Vrkljan will start posting on this site again soon so that we can ask him!


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