Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 3

Season 3 Webisodes "Cold Storage"

The following weapons were used in the 4-part webisode series entitled "Cold Storage":

M16A1

B.J. (Daniel Roebuck) is seen holding an M16A1 on Chase (Josh Stewart), notably in Part 2. Chase is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.

M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. What distinguishes it from the original M16 was the addition of a raised rib around the magazine release button, changing of the forward Receiver pins, and the addition of the forward assist button on the upper receiver.

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Smith & Wesson Model 29

B.J. also carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 as his sidearm.

Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 Magnum.

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AKMS

An AKMS-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.

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Carol Peletier (Melissa McBride) fires the rifle from a watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01).

When did Carol get that gun? Excalibur01 (talk) 23:37, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

I was wondering that too. One of the plausible explanations is that they grabbed it when raiding houses at the beginning of Season 3. --AdAstra2009 (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), Soldier 2

Same thing with the M4A1. They didn't have it at the end of Season 2, so they most likely grabbed it when raiding houses. Same could probably be said for the Vektor CP1 as well. -- Antediluvial (talk) 13:53, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

I would agree that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock, along with other guns which we have seen lately on TWD, were all likely acquired as a result of the group's scavenging efforts in private homes after they fled Hershel's farm at the end of Season 2. Rick probably decided to have his group rummage through a storage locker rental facility or two. Plus, Carl did briefly mention something about the group's previous living situation at a storage locker facility during the first episode of Season 3. (Watch TWD's "Cold Storage" webisodes if you have not yet.) Even though most real-life storage facility's rules prohibit the practice, there have been enough people who have kept their firearms and ammunition in their rented storage lockers anyway. A zombie apocalypse would not change this, which in turn could be beneficial to survivors in the know about such things. Kepiblanc (talk) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

TWD is set in Georgia. As I have posited in a previous IMFDB forum post, Georgia in real life is a pro-gun "red" state that is simply chock-full of guns and gun owners, and not just the "Elmer Fudd" types of long guns normally used for hunting, either. This is especially true in the rural areas of Georgia. Even the Walmart stores there carry Colt AR-15's and Ruger Mini-14's. Despite all of this, the "Elmer Fudd" types of long hunting guns were all that there seemed to be available to Rick's group during Season 1 and 2 of TWD as they stayed in the greater Atlanta area. Some members of the group seemed to be rather anti-gun, too, but now it seems that such attitudes towards guns, along with the group's apparent lack of tactical firepower, is all going to become a distant memory as Season 3 unfolds. Kepiblanc (talk) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

In Kennesaw,Ga there is actually a law that you have to own a gun there.

I own a WASR-10 myself, which a semi-automatic-only version of the AKMS rifle made from a combination of Romanian and American parts for legal reasons. My WASR-10 had solid wood furniture and a non-folding stock when it was shipped to the dealer from Century International Arms. I have not yet seen any of the WASR-10 series come from the factory with a tactical handguard with rails on it. A handguard such as this is what appears to be on Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Also, the sling on her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock appears to be one made for the Mosin Nagant type rifles, rather than one made for the AK/SKS rifle types. (I could see the “dog collar-style” leather attachment straps on this sling in one of the still frame shots of Carol holding her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Only the Mosin Nagant slings have those.) Being that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock was tricked out like this when we first saw her firing it, this would lead me to believe that this gun was formerly a part of some local resident's private gun collection or whatever. Kepiblanc (talk) 15:49, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

Anybody notice that Carol had to manually cycle the action of the WASR she was using after taking the first shot?

I would guess that Carol had to manually cycle the action because no BFA (blank firing adapter) was apparently on her rifle at the time. The most commonly found BFA for the AK-47 looks something like a shiny lug nut. (I own a few of these myself.) A BFA such as this would have really stood out in this scene if this was the only BFA available to the show's armorers at the time of production, so perhaps a decision was made to make do without a BFA on this rifle. Kepiblanc (talk) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

OK, I'm getting a little bit annoyed with people calling any AKMS that lacks the indentations above the magazine a "WASR-10". We don't know for sure that that's what it is, and there are a lot of rifles in Hollywood that are "Franken-guns" built up from parts of multiple weapons. This weapon is more accurately described as an "AKMS" or AKMS-type rifle. -MT2008 (talk) 15:28, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

Questionable Production Values

Am I the only one who was just laughing their ass off at the low production values of the shootout in the prison yard? No cycling actions, no recoil, no muzzle smoke, it's un-freaking-believable. If you don't want to have to train all the actors with firearms and just CG it for time's sake, fine; but if preteens on YouTube can do a better job with VFX for free, AMC has no viable excuse for that crap. Come on, AMC...

The budget was slashed after the first season, with some saying it was cut by 20%. (And please sign your posts.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:51, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

The budget is small enough as is, I can imagine the special effects (ie makeup and the like) and locations and all that take up the majority of the budget, then they have the actors. I didn't really mind the courtyard shootout that much.Bristow8411 (talk) 14:00, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

I'm sure alot of that could be chalked up to the safety of the actors/extras, too. If I remember right, the fight was pretty close in.

Yeah, to be honest I noticed that, too. Even Lori's Colt DS is being mime-fired. The LEAST they could have done is loaded it with dummy rounds and had her pull the trigger so the cylinder would spin. That looked like total garbage and even I noticed.- Scattergun 03:05, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

WASR Rails

I think the handguard of Carol's WASR is this model made by UTG. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 04:13, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

CGI muzzle flashes?

I'm watching the Third Season Premier on AMC's website, and I think they're using CGI flashes on the pistols while they're clearing the prison. The pistols clearly aren't cycling and no brass is being ejected. --BigD, October 21, 8:43 AM

Yup they were, could have been due to safety as it was really obvious when Carl was shooting, however it could also be down to the severely reduced budget since the first season. --cool-breeze (talk) 16:44, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

several soldiers had M4A1's

Several soldiers ambushed by the Governor and some " self trained soldiers " from woodbury the soldiers had m4a1's. the Governor Got a hold of one I think I may have seen and LMG M60 maybe m249 saw with the soldiers and an mp5k with a woodbury " soldier ". --Blueboy1600 (talk) 00:57, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure the M4 the governor picks up after the ambush is the one that merle used to shot the zombie over the gate, without the suppressor, and the scope has been taken of but no one bothered to put a rear sight back on, if you look at the pictures they both have the same cloth wrap over the foreguard

The Governor's Pistol

The Governor (David Morrissey) carries a Beretta 92FS Inox as his personal sidearm. He also has a Kabar 1221 knife on his right hip, for anyone who may be interested. --Mmarlon brando (talk) 07:38, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: Hi-res pics here and here that show off the Beretta logo on the grip. --Mmarlon brando (talk) 04:05, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

The Usage of Silencers in Season 3

Much unlike the comic book version of TWD, which is now beyond 100 issues at the time of this writing, the TV version of TWD has depicted the usage of silencers from the very first episode of Season 3 and beyond. I was quite pleased to see this development in the TV version, yet there are other aspects of their depiction that I have found to be just a bit unrealistic. I feel this way because I have had some experience with silencers in real life, so I know a bit about what they can and cannot do.

First of all, when it comes to these improvised silencers made from common objects as we have seen so far in the TV version of TWD, it is not really all that easy to make one for a gun that is chambered for ammunition that is more powerful than the .22 LR cartridge. Even then, it can still be a challenge. This depends on the gun which the silencer is being made for. (Living in the post-apocalyptic world of TWD would very likely not make the job of building a decent improvised silencer any easier.)

Secondly, for any silencer to really be worthwhile, the ammunition fired through it has to be subsonic. The 9mm cartridge is typically not subsonic. Most gun shops do not stock subsonic 9mm ammunition. The only dealers that I have seen carrying it are the online retailers. Despite this, we have seen Rick and Carl firing their 9mm Glock and Beretta pistols fitted with improvised silencers. It would have been a bit more realistic to see them firing silenced .45 ACP pistols, since the .45 ACP cartridge is typically subsonic in the first place. The same goes for the 5.56 NATO and the .223 Remington cartridge - they are typically not subsonic. Yet we have also seen at least one silenced M4 rifle, presumably chambered in 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington, being fired by Merle at some zombies on the perimeter of Woodbury. That being said, we would have to assume that the characters of TWD have all figured out that subsonic ammunition is essential for silenced shooting, and that they have all been able to acquire said subsonic ammunition.