Talk:Heckler & Koch MP5

Early MP5 gone

As you can tell, I deleted the section on early MP5s, for two reasons:

(1.) It's unlikely early MP5s appear in movies or TV, simply because those models are quite rare and basically not available outside of Germany. If you go to HKPRO's MP5 page, you can see what the earliest MP5s looked like. (2.) The pictures were not early MP5s (one was an MP5A2 taken by MPM, which has since been moved to the MP5A2 section, the other was an A3 with a straight mag and older convex-style buttplate).

If anyone wants to restore it, please just copy and paste the code from an earlier revision; I made some other revisions that are important to keep. Don't undo all of my recent edits. Thanks. -MT2008 03:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I've never seen a movie with the original HK54s, so I agree. If someone did want to put it on though, they have it on World Guns. -GM

I restored it, for three reasons: 1. I strongly disagree with the conclusion that a weapon has to be common to deserve inclusion. If that was a valid criterion a considerable number of the gun articles/sections on this site never would've been created. 2. The MP-54 is in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl, so what if it's a video game, this site covers those too. 3. People editing that article take one look at "MP-54" and assume it's a typo, because even if they do their research by looking at this article, they find no such weapon and so conclude that it doesn't exist. --MattyDienhoff 13:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I checked your page for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. That doesn't look to me like an MP-54; it looks more like a regular MP5A3 with an open front sight. Such sights do exist as after-market accessories for the MP5. However, seeing as it's a game, it could also just be an artistic decision made by the gun modeler. But it's definitely not supposed to be an MP-54; notice it has the wrong rear sight and hand guards for the -54. -MT2008

The page for Biggles: Adventures in Time (1986) mentions "old spec MP5's with staight magazines"; whether they're actual vintage early MP5s, I know not. British television and film productions might well use these guns. I worry about the deletion of the early section; it's going to clumsy to put it back when someone spots an early MP5, and someone will spot an early MP5 at some point. One will appear in the background of The Professionals or Who Dares Wins; and although it may be true that they are "quite rare and basically not available outside of Germany", this database doesn't exclude German television programmes. I understand that German television has historically not been too keen on guns, but there must have been German cop dramas and television films and indeed theatrical films in the 1970s. -Ashley Pomeroy 18:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Why not put the 'fake' MP5s on the HK94 section?

It technically runs counter to common practice on IMFDB by putting the gun in the section of the weapon it's 'impersonating' rather than the real section. Case in point. We put fake M16A2s (that are A1s with A2 handguards) in the M16A1 section ... NOT the M16A2 section, even though that is the gun it is impersonating. Why don't we put the appearances of the C&C HK94s in the HK94 section? MoviePropMaster2008 22:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I didn't notice that this wasn't being done. But yes, I agree, all C&C HK94s impersonating MP5s should go in the HK94 section. -MT2008

Pay no attention to what I just edited out, I was being stupid.-protoAuthor

Heckler & Koch MP5K's with the foregrips removed

that is the point of MP5K's with the fore grips removed appearing in movies. you don't have a grip, and could burn you hand if you have been shooting

What? Speak english for me please.-Oliveira 20:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Better?

Yes. On topic, they are used as if they are machine pistols. Look at the Third Matrix movie page on this site. They are used in that movie. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ on the end of every message.-Oliveira 16:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)