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== AKM instead StG ? ==
 
== AKM instead StG ? ==
 
I've seen this series in my school years, far ago. As far as I remember, German soldiers were constantly seen with AKMs (or AK-47?) instead StG 44. Do I remember right? There are no screenshots with AK or StG on the page, so I cannot check my memory :). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 15:01, 15 June 2012 (CDT)
 
I've seen this series in my school years, far ago. As far as I remember, German soldiers were constantly seen with AKMs (or AK-47?) instead StG 44. Do I remember right? There are no screenshots with AK or StG on the page, so I cannot check my memory :). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 15:01, 15 June 2012 (CDT)
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: German soldiers and Russian soldiers and Polish soldiers use AK in this series
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[[Image:4PanceryIPes-AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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[[Image:4PanceryIPes-AK-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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[[Image:4PanceryIPes-AK-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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[[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]]
  
 
==Mosin Rifle==
 
==Mosin Rifle==
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I belive it's Mauser K98k --[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 01:52, 16 June 2012 (CDT)
 
I belive it's Mauser K98k --[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 01:52, 16 June 2012 (CDT)
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Of course it's a Mauser Rifle [[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]]
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You're right, the sniper is Captain Baranov ([[Janusz Paluszkiewicz]]), which got her as prey.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] 05:27, 16 June 2012 (CDT)
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It is a Mauser rifle, AFAIK he later gives it to Janek Kos, who uses it in subsequent episodes. --[[User:Sarmor|Sarmor]]
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== Identification ==
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[[Image:Tadeusz Fijewski-rifle.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Mr. Czeresniak with carbine.]]
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Can anyone identify, what this father of Tomek has a strange carbine?--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] 05:49, 16 June 2012 (CDT)
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:Mosin Nagant M1944 Carbine. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 06:30, 16 June 2012 (CDT)
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== Flamethrower ==
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[[Image:German soldier-flamme-4tp.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|German soldier with flamenthrower.]]
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Does anybody this gun?--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] 06:31, 16 June 2012 (CDT)
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It's a [[LPO-50 flamethrower]] [[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 14:43, 16 June 2012 (EET)
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thx. Done.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] 07:46, 16 June 2012 (CDT)
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== German Tanks ==
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Are you sure the Tigers are mocked up IS-2s? On IMCDb they are identified as Polish copies of T-34/85, and so does Polish Wikipedia (sorry, I don't have any better sources at the moment).
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Not-converted IS-2s reportedly make an appearance in Episode 12 "Fort Olgierd", where they are "playing" German tanks. Could someone confirm this and provide screenshots?
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Additionally, the series features T-34/85 tanks mocked up as Panthers. Again, could someone provide the screenshots showing them? --[[User:Sarmor|Sarmor]]
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:Here are these not-converted IS-2s tanks. Also we can see Soviet BRDM Amphibious Armoured Scout Car armed with a MG-42 in this episode.
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[[Image:4PanceryIPes-IS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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[[Image:4PanceryIPes-IS2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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[[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 12:23, 17 June 2012 (EET)
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This is not an issue for me, but just for Wikipedia, whether they are sure - [http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cty%C5%99i_z_tanku_a_pes]--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] 05:05, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
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:For example this fake German tank built on T-34 chassis. IS-2 tank should be much larger in size
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[[Image:4PanceryIPes-T34-GermanTank.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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[[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 13:38, 17 June 2012 (EET)
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They had used both types. They write on Wikipedia, there is often a confusion between peoples to this two types.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] 08:39, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
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== Mortar ==
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This mortar is Soviet 82mm BM-37 (or its Polish postwar copy). It can be identified by the round base plate. It only appeares in the role of German 8cm GrW. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 02:23, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
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Done.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] 04:21, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
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== MP18 ==
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It seems to me that this SMG is not MP18 but [[Haenel-Schmeisser MP28/II|MP28/II]]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 03:48, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
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:Yes! Thx.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] 04:22, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
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::It is an interesting mystery: though the SMG looks like MP28, it has some different features. First, it has a smooth stock, unlike MP18 and MP28 which both had a groove on the stock. Second, the handle differs from both models. Third, the sight is completly different. Maybe this is a MP28 which was damaged and restored with detales from other weapons. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 04:37, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
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It is actually a British [[Lanchester Mk. I]]. You can tell from the rear sight, the front sight which is mounted on a band along with a bayonet lug under the muzzle, the top port on the muzzle of an MP28 has a screw blocking it which isn't visible here, and it doesn't have a safety above the trigger. This stock on this gun actually does have the horizontal groove but it is hard to see, and for some reason there is a small square block cut out of the stock near the front of the groove.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:47, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
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== Flare pistol ==
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It's not a Leuchtpistole, it looks more like a short-barreled version of [[Hebel Flare Pistol Model 1894]]. Compare the shape:
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[[Image:Hebel Model 1894 Flare Gun (26.5mm).jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hebel Flare Pistol M1894 - 26.5mm]]
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[[Image:German officer-Kampfpistole Z-4tp.jpg‎|none|thumb|500px|]]
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- [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:24, 26 September 2014 (EDT)

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AKM instead StG ?

I've seen this series in my school years, far ago. As far as I remember, German soldiers were constantly seen with AKMs (or AK-47?) instead StG 44. Do I remember right? There are no screenshots with AK or StG on the page, so I cannot check my memory :). Greg-Z 15:01, 15 June 2012 (CDT)

German soldiers and Russian soldiers and Polish soldiers use AK in this series
4PanceryIPes-AK.jpg
4PanceryIPes-AK-2.jpg
4PanceryIPes-AK-3.jpg

Bednardos

Mosin Rifle

Are You really think that it's Mosin-Nagant rifle?

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Bednardos 12:14, 16 June 2012 (EET)

Maybe not in reality, but it had should be - see odstřeovače person. Or what other guns other Soviet snipers used?--ШшшшPandolfini 01:35, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

I belive it's Mauser K98k --Flexo 01:52, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

Of course it's a Mauser Rifle Bednardos

You're right, the sniper is Captain Baranov (Janusz Paluszkiewicz), which got her as prey.--Pandolfini 05:27, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

It is a Mauser rifle, AFAIK he later gives it to Janek Kos, who uses it in subsequent episodes. --Sarmor

Identification

Mr. Czeresniak with carbine.

Can anyone identify, what this father of Tomek has a strange carbine?--Pandolfini 05:49, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

Mosin Nagant M1944 Carbine. Greg-Z 06:30, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

Flamethrower

German soldier with flamenthrower.

Does anybody this gun?--Pandolfini 06:31, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

It's a LPO-50 flamethrower Bednardos 14:43, 16 June 2012 (EET) thx. Done.--Pandolfini 07:46, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

German Tanks

Are you sure the Tigers are mocked up IS-2s? On IMCDb they are identified as Polish copies of T-34/85, and so does Polish Wikipedia (sorry, I don't have any better sources at the moment). Not-converted IS-2s reportedly make an appearance in Episode 12 "Fort Olgierd", where they are "playing" German tanks. Could someone confirm this and provide screenshots? Additionally, the series features T-34/85 tanks mocked up as Panthers. Again, could someone provide the screenshots showing them? --Sarmor

Here are these not-converted IS-2s tanks. Also we can see Soviet BRDM Amphibious Armoured Scout Car armed with a MG-42 in this episode.
4PanceryIPes-IS.jpg
4PanceryIPes-IS2.jpg

Bednardos 12:23, 17 June 2012 (EET)

This is not an issue for me, but just for Wikipedia, whether they are sure - [1]--Pandolfini 05:05, 17 June 2012 (CDT)


For example this fake German tank built on T-34 chassis. IS-2 tank should be much larger in size
4PanceryIPes-T34-GermanTank.jpg

Bednardos 13:38, 17 June 2012 (EET)

They had used both types. They write on Wikipedia, there is often a confusion between peoples to this two types.--Pandolfini 08:39, 17 June 2012 (CDT)

Mortar

This mortar is Soviet 82mm BM-37 (or its Polish postwar copy). It can be identified by the round base plate. It only appeares in the role of German 8cm GrW. Greg-Z 02:23, 17 June 2012 (CDT) Done.--Pandolfini 04:21, 17 June 2012 (CDT)

MP18

It seems to me that this SMG is not MP18 but MP28/II. Greg-Z 03:48, 17 June 2012 (CDT)

Yes! Thx.--Pandolfini 04:22, 17 June 2012 (CDT)
It is an interesting mystery: though the SMG looks like MP28, it has some different features. First, it has a smooth stock, unlike MP18 and MP28 which both had a groove on the stock. Second, the handle differs from both models. Third, the sight is completly different. Maybe this is a MP28 which was damaged and restored with detales from other weapons. Greg-Z 04:37, 17 June 2012 (CDT)

It is actually a British Lanchester Mk. I. You can tell from the rear sight, the front sight which is mounted on a band along with a bayonet lug under the muzzle, the top port on the muzzle of an MP28 has a screw blocking it which isn't visible here, and it doesn't have a safety above the trigger. This stock on this gun actually does have the horizontal groove but it is hard to see, and for some reason there is a small square block cut out of the stock near the front of the groove. --commando552 12:47, 17 June 2012 (CDT)

Flare pistol

It's not a Leuchtpistole, it looks more like a short-barreled version of Hebel Flare Pistol Model 1894. Compare the shape:

Hebel Flare Pistol M1894 - 26.5mm
German officer-Kampfpistole Z-4tp.jpg

- Greg-Z (talk) 14:24, 26 September 2014 (EDT)


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