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[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Single Action Army with 5.5" barrel known as the "Artillery" model - .45 Long Colt]] | [[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Single Action Army with 5.5" barrel known as the "Artillery" model - .45 Long Colt]] | ||
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Single Action Army with 7.5" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model - .45 Long Colt]] | [[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Single Action Army with 7.5" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model - .45 Long Colt]] | ||
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Parker kills a Shoshone chief at the gaming table. The length of the ejector rod housing is equal to barrel length, like on Civilian model, but the revolver lacks front sight, so it is likely Cavalry model with shortened barrel.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Parker carries two revolvers in holsters. Left revolver is longer that the right one.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA- | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A local kid steals a revolver from sleeping Old Ben. The revolver appears to be the same gold-plated Cavalry model that is seen in ''[[Osceola#Colt Single Action Army Cavalry Model|Osceola]]''.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-9.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kid Kearny takes Elmar Guiness' (Werner Röwekamp) revolver. It also appears to be a gold-plated Cavalry model but not the same that Ben owns (Ben's revolver has darker grip) but the second piece of a pair of revolvers.]] |
| − | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-13A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Chris Howard loads Artillery model revolver. In most other scenes he is seen with a [[Reichsrevolver M1879]].]] | |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-13A.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Chris' Single Action Army revolver is seen on a stone at the left.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-7.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-15A.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-15A.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Lee Garret's assistants fires at Allison's henchmen during the attack on oil rig. His revolver matches Cavalry model except for (again!) absent front sight.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-15.jpg|thumb|none| | + | |
| + | == Colt 1851 Navy Cartridge == | ||
| + | One of Parker's ([[Hartmut Beer]]) revolvers appear to be a cartridge version of [[Colt 1851 Navy]] with brass frame and barrel and white cylinder. Same looking revolver is also seen in hands of Lee Garret's assistant. Such props are seen in many DEFA Western movies. | ||
| + | [[Image:Richards-navy-1851.jpg|thumb|none|300px|For comparison: Colt 1851 Navy with a cartridge conversion. This is a reproduction of the gun used by [[Eli Wallach]] in ''[[The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly]]'' and imported by Cimmaron Arms.]] | ||
| + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-SAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A closer view of one of Parker's revolvers reveals it as Colt 1851 Navy.]] | ||
| + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Colt1851Navy-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]] | ||
| + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Colt1851Navy-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lee Garret's assistant (at the right) holds a Colt 1851 Navy. In next moment the revolver of this character switches to a Single Action Army (see above).]] | ||
== Reichsrevolver M1879 == | == Reichsrevolver M1879 == | ||
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''Note:'' see additional images on [[Talk:Fatal Error (Tödlicher Irrtum)#Reichsrevolver M1879|talk page]]. | ''Note:'' see additional images on [[Talk:Fatal Error (Tödlicher Irrtum)#Reichsrevolver M1879|talk page]]. | ||
[[File:Reichsrevolver m1879 Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Reichsrevolver M1879 - 10.6x25R]] | [[File:Reichsrevolver m1879 Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Reichsrevolver M1879 - 10.6x25R]] | ||
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McLaurin holds a Reichsrevolver.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Chris Howard draws his revolver when Jackson wants to see the marksmanship of new deputy.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-6.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Jackson draws his revolver (he carries two Reichsrevolvers).]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-7.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Chris holds a Reichsrevoler. A [[Single Action Army]] revolver is seen at the left together with [[Winchester Model 1892]].]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-9.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kid Kearny with a Reichsrevolver.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-12.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-12.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Allison's henchmen fires at Lee Garret and his workers.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-13.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-13.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Fire breaks out from the base of the barrel that can be seen on a blank agapted gun.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-14.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Caroline with a Reichsrevolver.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-17.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-17.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-18.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Reichsrevolver-18.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Ten Eyck fires. Again a gout of flame from the base of the barrel is seen.]] |
= Rifles = | = Rifles = | ||
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''Note:'' see additional images on [[Talk:Fatal Error (Tödlicher Irrtum)#Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine|talk page]]. | ''Note:'' see additional images on [[Talk:Fatal Error (Tödlicher Irrtum)#Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine|talk page]]. | ||
[[Image:WinchesterModel1892.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine - .32WCF/.38-40/.44-40/.25-20.]] | [[Image:WinchesterModel1892.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine - .32WCF/.38-40/.44-40/.25-20.]] | ||
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Shave Head with a Winchester 92.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Chris with a Winchester 92.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-6.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Black Tomahawk with a Winchester 92.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-8.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-8.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Shave Head with a Winchester 92.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-9.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Parker holds a Winchester 92. In this scene his rifle is described as [[Henry 1860]].]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-10.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-10.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A closeup of Shave Head's Winchester.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-12.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-12.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lee Garret fires his rifle during the attack on oil rig.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-14.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester92-14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Chris holds his own Winchester and another rifle, taken from one of Allison's men.]] |
== Winchester Model 1873 Carbine == | == Winchester Model 1873 Carbine == | ||
Several [[Winchester Model 1873]] carbines are seen in Sheriff Jackson's office. Shoshone warriors also use Winchester 73s. Old Ben ([[Gerry Wolff]]) disarms one of Allison's men of a Winchester 73 during the shootout. | Several [[Winchester Model 1873]] carbines are seen in Sheriff Jackson's office. Shoshone warriors also use Winchester 73s. Old Ben ([[Gerry Wolff]]) disarms one of Allison's men of a Winchester 73 during the shootout. | ||
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine (1st generation) - 44-40 Winchester]] | [[Image:Winchester1873.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine (1st generation) - 44-40 Winchester]] | ||
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rifles in gun rack in Sheriff's office. Second and fourth from the left appear to be Winchester 73, first, third and fifth are Winchester 92, and the rifle at the right appears to be a ''Schuetzen'' rifle.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-4.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Winchester 73 in hands of Shoshone warrior.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-5.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Another Shoshone with a Winchester 73.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-6.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Winchester73-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Old Ben gets a Winchester, pulling it through the window.]] |
== Martini Action Schuetzen Rifle == | == Martini Action Schuetzen Rifle == | ||
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[[File:Martini Action Schuetzen Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German manufactured Martini Action ''Schuetzen'' Rifle]] | [[File:Martini Action Schuetzen Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German manufactured Martini Action ''Schuetzen'' Rifle]] | ||
[[File:Martini Stahl Schuetzen Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Martini-Stahl system ''Schuetzen'' Rifle - 8.15x46mm R]] | [[File:Martini Stahl Schuetzen Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Martini-Stahl system ''Schuetzen'' Rifle - 8.15x46mm R]] | ||
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Several rifles are seen in Shoshones cache; a Winchester is in center, while other guns are ''Schuetzen'' rifles.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Another view of the guns.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-3.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A typical lever of Martini-Stahl system (less fanciful shape than on most Martini system ''Schuetzen'' rifles) is seen.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-4.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Lee Garret's men holds a ''Schuetzen'' rifle at the background.]] |
| − | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-5.jpg|thumb|none| | + | [[File:Todlicher Irrtum-Rifle-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A rifle in hands of a Shoshone warrior.]] |
{{DEFA Studio Westerns}} | {{DEFA Studio Westerns}} | ||
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Fatal Error (Tödlicher Irrtum) is a 1970 East German Western ("Red Western") movie directed by Konrad Petzold. In late 19th century in Wyoming an oil company pumps oil on the territory of Shoshone tribe. A chain of murders of Shoshone chiefs with shares in the oil business follows. The young chief Shave Head (Gojko Mitic) and his half-blooded brother Chris Howard (Armin Mueller-Stahl) who is local deputy sheriff start investigation.
The following weapons were used in the film Fatal Error (Tödlicher Irrtum):
Revolvers
Single Action Army
Single Action Army revolvers are widely seen in the movie, used by deputy sheriff Chris Howard (Armin Mueller-Stahl), Allison's henchmen Parker (Hartmut Beer) and Kid Kearny (Rolf Ludwig) and townsman Ben (Gerry Wolff). Revolvers have different barrel length but not all of them closely match original Civilian, Artillery and Cavalry models. All SAA revolvers, seen close enough, seem to lack spring-loaded ejector rods, and rod housings are empty.
Note: see additional images on talk page.
A local kid steals a revolver from sleeping Old Ben. The revolver appears to be the same gold-plated Cavalry model that is seen in Osceola.
Chris Howard loads Artillery model revolver. In most other scenes he is seen with a Reichsrevolver M1879.
One of Parker's (Hartmut Beer) revolvers appear to be a cartridge version of Colt 1851 Navy with brass frame and barrel and white cylinder. Same looking revolver is also seen in hands of Lee Garret's assistant. Such props are seen in many DEFA Western movies.
For comparison: Colt 1851 Navy with a cartridge conversion. This is a reproduction of the gun used by Eli Wallach in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly and imported by Cimmaron Arms.
Reichsrevolver M1879
Out of place (but widely available for filming) Reichsrevolver M1879 revolvers are seen in hands of Chris Howard (Armin Mueller-Stahl), corrupt town Sheriff Hank Jackson (Bruno O'Ya), Indian agent McLaurin (Bruno Carstens), Allison's henchmen Kid Kearny (Rolf Ludwig) and Ten Eyck (Stefan Lisewski), and Lee Garrett's girlfriend Caroline (Annekathrin Bürger).
Note: see additional images on talk page.
Chris holds a Reichsrevoler. A Single Action Army revolver is seen at the left together with Winchester Model 1892.
Rifles
Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine
Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbines are used by both main characters - Shave Head (Gojko Mitic) and Chris Howard (Armin Mueller-Stahl), and also by Parker (Hartmut Beer) and several other Allison's henchmen, engineer Lee Garrett (Hannjo Hasse) and Shoshone chief Black Tomahawk (Slobodan Velimirovic).
Note: see additional images on talk page.
Parker holds a Winchester 92. In this scene his rifle is described as Henry 1860.
Winchester Model 1873 Carbine
Several Winchester Model 1873 carbines are seen in Sheriff Jackson's office. Shoshone warriors also use Winchester 73s. Old Ben (Gerry Wolff) disarms one of Allison's men of a Winchester 73 during the shootout.
Martini Action Schuetzen Rifle
Some Shoshone warriors and Lee Garrett's workers are armed with single shot Martini action Schuetzen rifles, popular German target and hunting guns.
