Talk:Tyrant

AR-15 variant

I can't understand what exactly AR-15 variant in the hands of the soldier. Note the shape of lower receiver.

Bednardos (talk) 17:49, 22 July 2014 (EET)

Just barely beat me to making this article! I had the screencaps lined up and everything. Anyways, I believe the "M16s" and "CAR-15s" used by the regular security forces (at least until Ep 04) are non-firing replica props based on their appearance to include parallel forward assist/pin (see the non-firing prop segment of the M16 article). If this is true, then it kind of spoils that those particular rifles will never be used in a firefight. The same can not be said of some of the other, more impressive hardware like the Vz. 58s and MTARs. --HKUrban (talk) 02:03, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

I'm not so sure about that. Firstly, as far as I can tell the forward assist correctly sticks out diagonally (particularly visible on the M16 shot) as opposed to being parallel to the barrel axis like on the MGC replicas. The thing that I find particularly odd about these guns is the fact that the upper is absolutely perfect and appears to be genuine upper from an actual gun, as opposed to the lower which is really crude with awful ergonomics and only vaguely resembles that of an AR-15. To me it sort of seems like that for whatever reason they had some uppers but no lowers, so just whipped something up from scratch that looked sort of right from a distance. Why this would be the case though, I have no idea. --commando552 (talk) 12:57, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

On second review you are right, at least about this particular piece. I think there may be a few different models floating around depending on proximity to camera, screen time, etc. Because of that I may have noticed mock-up features on one piece and fallen victim to confirmation bias when examining others. I will look back through my screen grabs and see if I can pick out some of these different versions. It is indeed strange that they have access to top-of-the-line Israeli firearms like the MTAR, X95S, and Galatz, but not to standard M16s and M4s which are fairly prevalent in Israel where much of this season was being filmed prior to escalation of conflict in that region. --HKUrban (talk) 15:22, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

Israeli Weapons

When I first saw the showcase of weapons available in Episode 4, I was both confused and impressed. It seemed rather odd that the show was able to not only acquire what appear to be real versions of high-end Israeli small arms, but that they would chose these weapons for a fictional Arab country in the throws of the Arab Spring, especially when more traditional AK-type weapons were seen in the flashback sequences and in the hands of rebels. When I learned that the show was being filmed in Israel, it did explain the access to these weapons on a real world basis, but it does still beg the question as to what the in-universe explanation is, especially since in Episode 1, the elder Al Fa'id made mention of "Zionists" in a negative light.

With the exception of the Romat used by a rebel child, all purely Israeli weapons have been seen in the hands of Special Forces. This could lead to areas of speculation as to Abbudin's relationship with Israel (and by extension their Arab neighbors). Are the Abbudin Security Forces overt or clandestine in their acquisitions from Israel? Did Abbudin defeat Israel in a recent conflict and capture some of their small arms (replacing their older Chinese and Romanian rifles with M16s and MTARs)? For that matter, does the presence of Israeli weapons also hint that Abbudin is geographically proximate to Israel? I have a feeling we can't definitively answer these questions without an interview with the show's writers or directors, but it might be at lest worth noting the peculiarity of Abbudin's arsenal in the main pages commentary. --HKUrban (talk) 15:35, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

I guarantee that the use of the Israeli weapons is that they had access to them and the producers thought these look cool, use these. I don't think that there was a deliberate reason that they used the weapons other than they had them. Don't expect to see an explanation coming from anyone working on the show about the choice of weapons used. They didn't even care enough about the authenticity to cast a middle eastern actor to play the middle eastern protagonist. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 18:01, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

On the topic of Israeli guns in this, I have just noticed that the pistol in the carbine stock is not a Glock, as the ejection port is visible through the stock and it is not a Glock one. From the look of it coupled with the fact that this is shot in Israel, I would say that it is a Jericho. From this side of the gun I cannot tell if the stock is an American made CAA Roni one, or an Israeli made IWI "Mega Gun" one (there is a slight difference in the rail as well, but this isn't really visible in this cap either). However, once again based on the location I would guess it is a Mega Gun. --commando552 (talk) 10:52, 24 July 2014 (EDT)