Talk:The Tomorrow War
The BCM ARs
If Xtreme Props provided the weapons for this movie (as they evidently did), I would expect that the ARs in this movie are not factory BCM guns, but more likely the 8" Taran Tactical Innovations BCM TR-1 SBR carbines that Xtreme Props previously provided for The Fate of the Furious and Line of Duty. Of course, for this movie, they've clearly been re-configured with HERA Arms CQR furniture, plus the V Seven HELIOS compensators, ACOGs, etc. I'm not on IG, but it looks like they posted pics of the guns on their feed - anyone who's an IG user wanna grab those pics and post them here? -MT2008 (talk) 23:38, 9 July 2021 (EDT)
- Also: Chris Pratt's sidearm in this movie appears to be a Kimber Warrior SOC (there's pictures of that gun on Xtreme Props' IG, too, if anyone wants to take a look). -MT2008 (talk) 23:42, 9 July 2021 (EDT)
- I was planning to upload a BCM picture; I'll do it in a bit. These are definitely not TTI builds though: this image shows BCM markings on the magwell (and not the TTI ones), and there's no mention of Taran Tactical among the tags featured in the relevant IG post. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:48, 10 July 2021 (EDT)
- Got it, thanks; good observation, and I stand corrected. Side note: the Hera Arms CQR grips appear to be mounted on the rails using BCM polymer Picatinny rail sections. Anyone who has ever bought that rail section, or a BCM rifle/URG that comes with it, knows that BCM includes a warning telling customers that they should never use it to mount vertical grips or any other load-bearing accessories; only flashlights (and some other grips/handstops that aren't vertical). You can even see this warning on their web site's product description. The Hera Arms CQR grip isn't exactly a vert grip, but it is still a load-bearing grip, so I'm surprised that this movie's armorers used the polymer rail sections instead of aluminum. -MT2008 (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
- Everyone (including supposed SF guy Pratt) just blasts away on full auto and no one in the movie ever seems to reload. Ah, classic 80s tropes! Spartan198 (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
It looks to me like a Mk 18 Mod 1, just with a Geissele rail instead of an RIS II. But what should we call that configuration? "Mk 18 URG-I"? I don't believe "Mk 18 Mod 2" would be appropriate since I can't find any picture evidence of Mk 18s with Geissele SMRs in army use. Spartan198 (talk) 01:00, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
- None of the screenshots really show them very well, but my assumption was that these are the 10.3" version of the Geissele URGI (and it looked like it might have been on a BCM lower, same as those "MK III" rifles that are used in the future). I think that's as good a description as any ("Geissele URGI"), as long as we're sure that the guns are not another maker's (e.g. Daniel Defense) upper that have been retrofitted with the Geissele rails. -MT2008 (talk) 20:05, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
- The Geissele rifle is indeed a BCM rifle, according to the official IG page of Xtreme Props, these are "10.3" BCM machine guns fitted with Geissele URG-I MK16 Rail, a Trijicon MRO on a Geissele super precision mount, a BCM stock, a Streamlight Protac weaponlight, a Magpul PMAG, a MS3 strap sling, an Insight AN/PEQ-15, and a Rugged Micro 30 7.62 suppressor". -I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 14:59, 17 July 2021 (EDT)
- I can't see the entry on Insta - can you post pics or anything else? Are we sure it's not a 10.3" Geissele URGI that has been mated to a BCM lower? I suppose it's also worth pointing out that BCM actually sold uppers with the MK16 rail for a brief period of time a few years back. -MT2008 (talk) 12:21, 19 July 2021 (EDT)
- I find that description vague, especially the reference to these being "USASOC-used". Can't see from the upper markings if they're BCM or Geissele URGIs, but if they are BCM uppers, then it seems Xtreme Props went to the trouble of retrofitting them with the Geissele Airborne charging handle. -MT2008 (talk) 14:04, 19 July 2021 (EDT)
- I am 100% positive the uppers are Geissele URG-I because if you say Xtreme Props went through the trouble retrofitting the Airborne charging handle with the BCM uppers with all of the BCM4s seen on the post, then why would they go to through the trouble of attempting it? Unless they're making them retrofit on their budget.
- I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 16:32, 19 July 2021 (EDT)
- It seems fair to me that "Geissele URG-I" is the appropriate term, given that, at this point, the term is being used to describe a type of upper group (i.e., any that uses the Geissele MK16 rail, kind of like the way that "Block II" refers to any gun using a Daniel Defense RIS II rail). However, we can still note in the description that these appear to be 10.3" Geissele URG-I uppers mounted to BCM lower groups. -MT2008 (talk) 18:13, 19 July 2021 (EDT)
- OK, this screenshot appears to confirm that the upper groups are Geissele URG-I, and not BCM uppers retrofitted with Geissele MK16 rails:
- In this image, you can see that the upper receiver is not actually marked BCM on the right side (compare to the images of the MK III Hera Arms-equipped rifles used in the earlier scenes of the movie). That, combined with the fact that the uppers all have Geissele Airborne charging handles, makes me think it's more likely that these are in fact Geissele URG-Is fitted to BCM lower receiver groups. -MT2008 (talk) 09:29, 24 July 2021 (EDT)
- I don't recall seeing it anywhere in the movie, either. My guess is that it was built for a scene (or scenes) that were filmed, but ultimately cut. -MT2008 (talk) 18:34, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
- OK, looks like another IMFDB user was able to find where it was in the movie. Apparently, it was used by Dorian (Edwin Hodge's character) briefly:
What's the stuff on the front?
The flat-looking thing on the front-right side, handguard mounted, what is that?
And what is the monitor looking thing on the opposite side? I can't find a single shot in the movie where you see the other side. Does anyone know what it is?(also, my signature with the tildes isn't showing up on the page anyone know why?) Paradox (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2022 (EST)