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Fun Facts

Some bits of irrelevant trivia and goofs.

Obvious Stunt Doubles

Several times in the film, stunt doubles are seen used during some of the more extreme scenes. In the early 1990s, physical makeup was more often used to cover up this before the technology was available to digitally modify the stunt double's face to look like the actual actors. By converting the film to 1080p Digital and Blu-Ray, these doubles become quite noticeable. For the 2017 remastered release, James Cameron went and digitally added Schwarzenegger's face on top of the stunt double's.

For this dangerous stunt, Schwarzenegger's double wore physical makeup to make his face more resemble the actor.
For the 2017 remastered release, James Cameron went and digitally added Schwarzenegger's face on top of the stunt double's.
During this scene, both Arnold Schwarzenegger's driving stunt double, Norman Howell, and Edward Furlong's driving double are seen in the same shot! Also note how the dirtbike Furlong's double is driving is almost as big as the Harley. Since Furlong's stunt double is bigger than him, the Honda dirtbike was sized up to a bigger model so the double would look smaller.
For the 2017 remastered release, Arnold Schwarzenegger's face was digitally inserted over the stunt double's, but Edward Furlong's was not.
Linda Hamilton's stunt double, Debbie Evans, is seen firing a CAR-15 at the T-1000 during this scene, since this shot had the vehicle really driving down the road (the close up shots with Linda Hamilton were in an immoble vehicle).
Debbie Evans is used instead of Linda when the vehicle is suddenly halted and she is slid across the back.
As the T-800 fights the T-1000 in the mill, a stunt double is used for Robert Patrick when he is slammed into the walls.


Some of the notable goofs in the film.

When this biker stabs the Terminator with his knife, it is clearly a rubber prop. Note how it bends.
When the cigar smoking biker is thrown by the Terminator onto the kitchen burners, the steam jets are visible.
When the T-1000 crashes the semi truck in the reservoir, the front windows are seen popping out and then magically appear intact later. This was one of James Cameron's pet peeves about the film's original release.
For the 2017 remastered version, the front windows stay intact after the crash.
As the Terminator prepares to jump his Harley Fatboy off the ledge, note how it is pointed.
As he jumps off, the ledge changes to a squared type. Many people claim you can see the wires guiding the bike down but all you can see is the slightly visible edit over the cables, so transparent lines are visible as the bike falls.
As The Terminator and the Connors pull out of the Mental Hospital, the T-1000 grabs onto their car. Here a dummy is used in place of a stunt man as they drive through the gate. James Cameron says he wished he had the CGI capabilities back then so he could make the T-1000 climb up the car as they drive.
When the Terminator is impaled by the steel rod, he is clearly laying to the side to avoid the pole.


One of the more well known examples of a computer reporting a meaningless level of precision in a movie is the sequence where, while evaluating his attack on the police unit surrounding Cyberdyne, the T-800's HUD shows he has achieved "0.0" casualties. James Cameron has stated this was simply done because a blank 0 looked silly. In Terminator 3 (not directed by Cameron), the T-850's HUD does read "000" after a shootout with law enforcement at the cemetery.

Attempts to explain the decimal only really make it worse; there is no such thing as being 0.2 dead, and it cannot possibly be for reporting injuries. The latter is best shown with a thought experiment: assemble a line of a billion people. Assume a poke in the eye is one billionth of a casualty. At the end of the line, you will have 1.0 human casualties. Which person is dead?

The readout as seen in T2.
As seen in Terminator 3.


In the extended cut, Douglas (Ken Gibbel) hits Sarah in the stomach with his billy club so he can force feed her her medication. Gibbel didn't want to hurt Linda so he kept pulling the swing, but she had to fall to the ground on her knees the same every time. He did this so much, her knees got bruised up quite badly. If you watch the scene, it is clearly sped up for this exact reason. When Sarah escapes her cell, she breaks off a broom handle and uses it to hit Douglas repeatedly until he is unconscious. As payback for her bruised knees, every blow Linda inflicts on Gibbel is real and not pulled.

Douglas slugs Sarah with his billy club.
Sarah falls to her knees quite painfully. Doing this multiple times really bruised up Linda's knees.
Sarah beats Douglas with a broom handle. Linda teaches Gibbel that chivalry isn't always a good thing as she really kicks his ass.

How It's Done

A few of the impressive special effects were achieved in unique ways shown here.

When the biker puts his cigar out on the Terminator's chest, the only thing protecting Arnold from being burned was a block and prosthetic skin the size of a dime. If this guy was off even a little bit, he would have been burned pretty bad.
To give the effect that the Terminator's time portal burned a chunk out of a truck, scotch light is painted onto the rim and has light concentrated on it to give it a heated glow.
The same method is used for the introduction of the T-1000. Note the blooper here in the form of the inconsistent, non-uniform cut on the leftward fence pole.
To accomplish the scene in which the T-1000 slowly emerges from the fire, Robert Patrick had to stand in the center of the flames and walk out. After the scene, his clothes were singed.
During the chase scene, the police helicopter used by the T-1000 is hung by a moving crane to give it the look like it is flying. This allowed the actor to fire and reload his gun with two hands while the two spare hands could convince the audience the helicopter is being flown.
An amputee stunt double was used during the scene when the T-1000 emerges from the truck, continually being drenched in liquid nitrogen as his limbs fall of and he finally freezes solid.
For the scene in which the shattered T-1000 melts and reforms, frozen Mercury was melted on a hotplate until it melted and joined together.
A piece of the frozen mercury melting.
The melted mercury begins to liquefy.
The hotplate is pretty seamlessly added to look like the floor of the steel mill.
The Mercury eventually turns into one big pool.
During the fight between the T-800 and the T-1000, the steel mill walls were padded with rubber so the actors could slam each other into objects without injuring each other.

Familiar Scenery

The place under the bridge that the T-1000 arrives in the present from was later reused in another James Cameron film, True Lies, although they aren't the exact same spots. Strangely enough, the bridge is really in Washington D.C., which is accurately portrayed in True Lies. In T2 on the other hand, it takes place in Los Angeles.

Comparison of the same location in the two films.

Locked Up

Linda Hamilton was trained how to pick locks for the film and Linda refused to fake any of the lock picking when she escapes her cell. She actually picks the locks on her harness and the lock on the door.

Sarah picks the locks on her bed harness. Linda really picked this lock.
After escaping her bed, Sarah picks the lock on the door. Linda really picked this lock too.

Attack of the Tin Foil Man!

In some scenes, CGI was avoided to reduce strain on ILM's schedule and the actor wore a special "Tin Foil" suit so he would look like the liquid metal T-1000.

In the background, the "Tin Foil" man is seen forming from the puddle of liquid metal.
The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.
The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.

Not Really Nude

During the scene in which the Terminator enters the biker bar, completely naked from time travel, Arnold was obviously not going to go nude in this scene and instead wore some colorful shorts. How the extras could stifle their laughter is unknown.

The Terminator walks into the bar in the nude.
The people in the bar look in complete shock at this giant nude man.
Here you can see the shorts Arnold was wearing in the scene. This is the governor of California shaking his ass for the camera. Feel free to laugh.

Good Old Arnold

Some memorable moments from the "Governator".

The Terminator tries to mimic a smile. Arnold commented how he smiles like a horse. Agreed.
"Trust Me."
"Stay here. I'll be back."
"Hasta la vista, baby."
"I need a vacation." Not a very Terminator-like thing to say; it was an ad-libbed shoutout to Kindergarten Cop.

The Convenience of Twins

Two sets of identical twins were used in the film to make certain scenes more convenient to shoot. The first twins were used in the mental hospital, the first playing Lewis the guard (Don Stanton) and his brother (Dan Stanton) playing the T-1000 clone. The second pair of twins were Linda Hamilton and her sister Leslie Hamilton Gearren, who worked together in several scenes, both playing Sarah Connor.

Contrary to popular belief, identical twins aren't always identical. Epigenetic marks in the chromosomes will cause two identical twins to have slightly different DNA - typically the only effects will be things like one being slightly more susceptible to certain diseases, but in rare cases, the two can actually appear slightly physically different. This is the case with the Hamiltons, but not the Stantons, so while Don and Dan are interchangeable, they made a point of always having Linda being more in view and Leslie be farther or slightly obscured. Ironically this leads to one scene where Linda plays fake Sarah (T-1000), but Leslie plays real Sarah.

Don playing Lewis the guard in front and his brother Dan playing the T-1000 copy behind him.
In a scene from the Extended Cut, the T-800 tells the Connors how to modify his CPU so he can progressively learn. They open up his head to remove the CPU. During this scene, Linda is seen in the foreground working on a Stan Winston prop and in the "mirror" is Leslie imitating her movements so Arnold's face can be seen in the mirror as he talks. In this shot Linda's slightly stronger chin is visible.
In this scene, Linda (in the foreground) plays the T-1000 disguised as Sarah while her twin sister Leslie plays the real Sarah (in the background) holding the shotgun.

Speedy Robert

For any scene in which Edward Furlong had to ride his Honda XR80R dirtbike, a tow dragged him along to give the illusion he is driving. Director James Cameron mentions in the DVD commentary that the the guy driving the tow said he would be pulled out fast enough that Robert Patrick would not be able to catch him while running full speed. The driver evidently underestimated him because when Robert started chasing Furlong, he not only caught up with Eddie, he tapped him on the shoulder. Robert is an insanely fast runner.

The T-1000 pursues John on his Honda dirtbike. In this take, the tow was sped up so Robert couldn't catch him.
The T-1000 in hot pursuit.
There are a couple of times in The X-Files where it is kinda obvious that Robert held back on his running speed or he'd have caught some guys and ended episodes early. T.H.M.Christensen

Polydichloric Euthynol

The name of the explosives used by the group to blow up Cyberdyne is a play on the hallucinogenic drug used in the Sean Connery sci-fi film Outland.

The explosive barrels marked "Polydichloric Euthynol".

"The Four Horsemen"

This is just a cool shot. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are portrayed as four pieces of playground equipment.

"The Four Horsemen", playground equipment set aflame by the nuclear bombs.

The Deleted T-1000 Glitches

For some unknown reason, the original cut edited out all of the scenes in which the T-1000 shows signs of glitching after being frozen and shattered. These include:

As the T-1000 passes a pole and his hand gets stuck. Unable to control its functions properly, it morphs somewhat to whatever metal it touches.
The T-1000 peels his hand off the pole.
The T-1000 has a blip glitch. This glitch is also in the theatrical cut shown just after the Terminator gets stuck in the giant cog.
The T-1000's feet stick to the metal floor.
John realizes which Sarah is the T-1000 when he sees his feet are fused to the floor.

The Spoof Pit

The "Molten" Steel pit in the steel mill, called "The Spoof Pit" by the crew, was composed of an unknown liquid illuminated by orange fluorescent lights with pieces of plastic floating in it to resemble authentic molten steel. It is used to destroy the T-1000 when he is knocked into the pit and the T-800 uses it to destroy himself with the help of Sarah. With the lights heating the liquid, it was actually pretty hot in the pit.

The T-1000 falls into the spoof pit.
Above view of the spoof pit.
The T-800 is lowered into the pit by Sarah.
A fake fire effect is used to make the liquid appear molten. Arnold does a good job of keeping his eyes open as he submerges.
The T-800 gives John a thumbs up before melting completely. John teaches the T-800 the thumbs up just before Sarah dreams of herself and John in the nuclear explosion.

Dedicated To Stan Winston

Stan Winston was one of the greatest special effects and animatronics designers in film history. He brought fictional creatures to life and made the impossible seem real, for which he has won four separate Academy Awards. His animatronics and costumes are some of the most famous in film history and include:

The T-800 endoskeletons in T2: Judgment Day.
The life size Tyrannosaurus Rex from Jurassic Park.
The Facehuggers from Aliens, which actually ran on their own.
The Power Loader from Aliens.
And of course the ever famous Alien Queen from Aliens.
The Alien Queen from Aliens.
Thanks to Stan Winston, The Predator from Predator also became as famous and was saved from being a very poorly designed creature.

Sadly, Stan Winston passed away on June 15th, 2008. He may be gone but his creations will forever live on in film history as some of the most life-like and creative designs ever. Rest in peace Stan.

The following Stan Winston props are seen in T2:

Liquid Metal Squibs

Stan Winston invented special foil squibs meant to fold out like a flower to imitate a gunshot wound inflicted to the T-1000.

Robert Patrick wears these squibs throughout the film.
Robert Patrick wears seven of these squibs. Note how this guy is a stunt double.
The T-1000 riddled with liquid metal squibs.
Stan even built smaller versions for when the T-1000 is shots with the Coltonics pistol.
Leslie Hamilton-Gearren, Linda Hamilton's twin sister, also wears one of these squibs while playing the T-1000 mimicking Sarah.

Blown Apart T-1000 head

Even animatronics with the smallest roles are heavily contributed to by Stan. This prop was built to show the T-1000 after his head is blown apart by a 10 Gauge slug. The head flaps even move around by control.

The animatronic T-1000's head built to show the T-1000 after being shot in the head with a shotgun.

The T-800 Arm

The Terminator proves to Miles Dyson he is a machine by cutting off his living tissue and revealing his robotic arm inside. Stan Winston designed this arm and made it as controllable as a real hand. It was built by a contracted company in the midwest.

The Stan Winston designed controllable T-800 arm.

Lewis the Guard's Robotic Head

When the T-1000 copies Lewis the Guard and kills him by stabbing him through the eye, a robotic copy of his head was built to shake and allow the point to stab in and out.

Lewis the Guard's robotic prop head being stabbed by the T-1000.
Another shot of the same robotic head.

T-800 Animatronic Dummy

Stan Winston built a copy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head to torso so squibs could be used on the head region and people would see the Terminator shot in the head. It was also used so the T-1000 could smash his head without killing or injuring Arnold. Because the dummy walked awkwardly, Arnold matched its walk so it would look less suspicious in the film.

The T-800 dummy in the Cyberdyne lobby.
The T-800 dummy's awkward walk is evident in this scene.
The T-1000 smashes the dummy's head.

The dummy greatly resembles the one used in the scene from the first Terminator where he removes the damaged eye tissue and starts wearing sunglasses.

T-1000 Blade Arm fold-out

The T-1000 kills the liquid nitrogen truck driver by stabbing him with his sharp arm. Stan Winston designed a blade to pop out of the clothes to achieve the look of his being impaled.

The T-1000 stabs the truck driver. Note the slit in the shirt where the blade folds out.

T-1000 Shotgun Head

When Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her Remington 870 folder, it leaves a large hole in his head, which is a prop by Stan Winston.

T-1000's head with the large slug hole in it. To the right is Robert Patrick getting to know his robotic double.

Frozen T-1000

Stan Winston designed a replica of the T-1000 frozen in liquid nitrogen that was built with a fiber glass shell with fragements inside. When "shot", primacord is used to shatter the shell and release the fragments. Since fiber glass is not as heavy as ice, a fan blew the fragments to the ground to give the prop a shattering effect.

The T-1000 frozen prop.
The prop shatters.

Blown Up T-1000

When the T-1000 is blown up by a 40mm round, his exploded figure is a Stan Winston animatronic.

Blown up T-1000 animatronic.

Additional Shots

Winchestor Model 1887

The bar owner (Peter Schrum) points his Winchester 1887 shotgun at the Terminator.
The Terminator comes to save John Connor (Edward Furlong).
The Terminator takes down the T-1000 with seven shots from his Winchester 1887 shotgun. Note how this shell hits him right in the face.
The Terminator fires his 1887 shotgun at the lock on a chain-link fence.
The Terminator with his 1887 shotgun.
John gives the Terminator back his shotgun.

Remington Model 870 with Folding Stock

Sarah loads some slugs into her 870.

Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 Hybrid

The Terminator releases the slide.
When John tells the Terminator to put the gun down, he takes it literally and puts it on the ground.
Sarah awaits a fresh magazine from John.
The Terminator points the M1911A1 at the Cyberdyne lobby guard.
The Terminator tosses the empty gun to the ground. This appears to be a continuity error as the Terminator still has the pistol in the factory.
The Terminator fires his M1911A1 into the T-1000, shattering him into pieces after he is frozen in liquid nitrogen.
The Terminator readies his M1911A1 and his M79 grenade launcher as he searches for the T-1000.
The Terminator searches for the T-1000.

M79 Grenade Launcher

"Here, let me try mine."
The Terminator with the M79.

Colt Commando CAR-15 Variants

Sarah goes out to kill Dyson.
Sarah removes the flash hider and replaces it with a suppressor.
Sarah squeezes the trigger on her CAR-15.
After missing Dyson because he ducked down, she begins to fire full auto
On the right, the SWAT officer goes down while holding the CAR-15.
Sarah loads up two CAR-15s while in the back of the SWAT van.
Sarah then switches to a Sporter II when her slab-side runs out.
The T-800 takes a Sporter II off the dash board to shoot the T-1000 with.
This scene shows quite a dangerous stunt as stuntman Peter Kent climbs off one truck to another, no strings attached as the trucks are speeding down the road.

Handheld GE-M134 Minigun

The Terminator unveils the handheld Minigun in the desert armory.


SWAT leader played by Dean Norris

The SWAT team leader is played by a young, balding, Dean Norris who plays Hank the DEA Agent on Breaking Bad.


Even though Mail Call has the most guns at 98 currently, this page is technically the largest on the site. It has the most pictures and written information of any page on IMFDB, even check largest pages section on Special pages. - Gunmaster45

Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. Excalibur01 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I guess that's a good point. Still, it took just as long to do the page as any other huge page, even though there are repeats. And I liked my format, I document the guns in each season individually, so no gun pic is weeded out do to excessive screencaps (which I've been ragged on about quite a bit). Even if the guns repeat, the time put into it and the amount of information would still make it the largest page, but I couldn't necessarily say it has the most guns. Once I get the rest of the seasons (which Ebay has now failed me on so finding the DVDs will be harder) the page will be too big to hold it all and likely split into sections. Anyway, it was dumb to make a competition out of page making. My bad. If The Unit has just a little more format correcting (image sizing and linking) it will be a great page. Right now it seems a little "rough draft". No offense of course. - Gunmaster45

From the 7th down on the 1887: "You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger" A terminator wouldn't need to worry about that. A machine would only pull the trigger when it was supposed to.

Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas.

The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50. The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the same year. Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.

Eventually I will give this page the revamp it deserves. I'll remove my terrible widescreen shots and make this page full. I promise. -GM

Doing it now :) - Gunmaster45

Finished. But I'm going to add a lot more fun stuff and devote a whole section to Stan Winston, in honor of his passing (since I have just about every movie his animatronics are in, you guys will see shots from those movies here). - Gunmaster45

I would really prefer if you didn't. Not that I don't respect Winston (having grown up a Jurassic Park fan), but this is IMFDB. Remember, we need to be somewhat careful about how many images and other stuff we upload. -MT2008 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Well I gave it a try. I think of it as info like MPM adds to his page, similair to the Rambo III page. I tried to keep the Winston section small but heartfelt. How does everything look now that it is done. - Gunmaster45

This page is really, really, really long. I think its cool how there is some Stan Winston stuff on here but I just think the bloopers and some other stuff kinda overkills it. Whoever worked on this did a very good job, but should this be page be trimed a little? --Mauser 05:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with that statement, the trivia takes up almost half the page. --AdAstra2009 19:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -Predator20 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Predator. The trivia makes the page really interesting.--Oliveira 21:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh, no doubt that its interesting....but you have to remember that this is IMFDB. --AdAstra2009 21:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Not to mention that people will use this page as justification for making pages full of irrelevant/uninteresting crap.(not that I think the trivia on this page is uninteresting, but it is sort of irrelevant) --AdAstra2009 22:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I absolutely agree that it is very nicely down. The one reason I wouldn’t want to see it changed is because I know whoever added that info had to have worked pretty hard on it. But I also agree to the fact that it is pretty much irrelevant, although cool at the same time. Thats why I suggest just trimming it. So I dont know what comes next, maybe we all agree to disagree lol.--Mauser 02:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the entire section except maybe the Stan Winston Memorial should be cut and pasted into the discussion page. That way it will not be cluttering the main page with irrelevant info but it will also preserve GM45's work. --AdAstra2009 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

40mm grenade arming ranges...

There are a couple of "families" of 40mm rounds. The M381/M386/M406 HE rounds are one. The only basic differences are the fuses used. The M381 uses a M552 point-detonating fuse that arms from the centrifugal force of spinning in the rifling after the initial set-back from firing and arms in 2 to 3 meters. In use, this grenade did pose a danger to firers if used without firing from cover because the casualty radius is something like 5 meters. The M386 and later rounds use the M551 fuse that has adds a little more complexity to make sure the grenade does not arm until it is 14 meters to 28 meters from the launcher.

Therefore, it is unlikely an active duty soldier/Marine would be issued a M381 out of normal supply, but it's more likely someone using older supplies would be more likely to find one. 40mm grenades going off at short range is therefore--like cookies to the Cookie Monster now--"a sometimes" thing...

- Doesn't change the fact that in this film, Arnold's M79 fires grenades that explode within only a few feet of him at most, still obviously (if only barely) below arming range of even the older types. (Mainly the ones inside the Cyberdyne building) StanTheMan 19:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Two to three meters is 6 to 9 feet... That's conversational distance in the Midwest... --00:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)~

How do you capture a Terminator?

Seriously, how are supposed to do it? In T3 a giant electromagnet is used to trap T-X, but once it's trapped, how do you reprogram it? You get near the magnet with any amount of metal and you are stuck. PS: If there are T-600, T-800, T-1000, and T-X terminators, are there T-200 and T-400 models too? Also, why can't the resistance get anything better than at T-800, and why is John Conner so important? He has a limited knowledge of weapons, no training in tactics, leadership, or anything else. Why not a Delta Force/SAS/Navy SEAL/insert name of elite fighting unit here person? OK, so it's a movie and its cool, but make no sense. On that note, why leave the M72 LAW rockets and M60 behind in the armory? An M72 would blow T-1000 to bits, hopeful far enough away that he couldn't re-form. The M60 would have been nice to shoot T-1000/ police cars with as well. An why not give John a flack jacket and AKM or MAC-10? Mandolin 04:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

- Bah. Not to just blow you off here, but honestly, most of those questions are ones that are meant to be answered by other sites, and don't really have anything to do with the guns used in the films, much less this film. Your bigger fansites (Terminator Files immediately comes to mind) can answer all that better than we probably can (or care to for that matter).

But to give you some short answers, one, I'm sure the process of capturing/reprogramming a terminator is rather involved to put it lightly, and I'm not going to delve into hypotheticals here. Second, yes there are numerous models/units in the T-series. Third, probably because the T1000 and TX are the latest designs, and aren't even used in the future war, unlike the T800 Terminators which are used rather heavily it seems. Next, John Connor is the one that actually rallies humanity to fight back in the first place, you don't need to be a SEAL or Delta to do that (though I admit, that would help), not to say he couldn't have still gotten that kind of training or learned that kind of knowledge anyway.

As for your last questions, which actually are somewhat relevant - first off, I'm sure there's only so much they can carry on them, as well as in their vehicle. You have to remember, they were going to run, not take the T1000 and the police head on as it turned out. And I disagree, the Mini-Vulcan (Minigun) is/was an immensely better choice to shoot up the police cars, as we are shown in the film. And finally, John is supposed to live, at all costs - Giving him a weapon and letting him fight only risks him getting killed, and for no good reason.

And that's all you're getting from me for now. StanTheMan 19:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

According to some early literature, When the Resistance captured the time-displacement device form Skynet, they also found Terminators in storage. Using Experience from manipulating the T-800's chip in this film, they were able to do the same with the captured Terminators..

The third movie also explains a little more why John Connor is so important. He was supposed to have come to know the head of the department who created Skynet. So he would have known the most about Skynet at the time of Judgement Day. GaBoy45 03:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, by the time of Judgement Day Connor would have been just as well-trained as any SEAL (please ignore the charecter of T3, who is completely absurd). And secondly, a little more insight reveals that M72 LAW and the M60 are a little inferior. The Minigun is supposed to be the M134, firing the same round as the M60, but at a much higher rate. And while LAW may be able to bust tanks or T-800s, it's not meant for "blowing stuff up". It uses a High Explosive AntiTank warhead which creates a superheated jet of metal and punches through solid metal with ease, but it's not even supposed to create a lot of blast pressure or frag outside of a limited area. It would have left a clean hole in a T-1000, shocked it maybe, maybe disintegrated some of the polyalloy, but it would have taken a hundred HEATs yo blow away a polyalloy terminator. Simple high explosive, like the one used by the M79, can scatter it with much greater effect. If you want to compare the effect of HEAT against metal and polyalloy, consider what happenned when a Chinese RPG clone - firing a similar HEAT rocket - when it hit a T-X: polyalloy "heals" back, but the endoskeleton is damaged.

Trigger Safety Comment

The Terminator protects John from the T-1000's (Robert Patrick) bullet barrage. Note the Winchester "RA" (Repeating Arms) insignia on the receiver. You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger.

He's a Terminator and wouldn't make the mistake of 'Accidentally' firing the Weapon.

Comment has been removed. I had already removed some unnecessary comments, but missed that one.--Predator20 16:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Excellent work! We need to excise those snarky comments when we see them. I am SO GLAD that I can now show IMFDB to actors or crew from some of the shows in question and NOT worry about them seeing some sort of comment which is insulting ... to Them! :) MoviePropMaster2008 17:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Plus he had just fired it and hadn't yet reloaded, so an ND isn't happening. --Maxman (talk) 18:54, 18 February 2017 (EST)

Guards Name

Just FYI, the pescadero Guard's name is Lewis. Just hoping someone could change that! GamerfreakB7 18:44, 7 April 2010

T2 Minigun "DROP"

That story about the T2 Minigun being dropped is obviously myth and lore. Look at the screencap of the Minigun being dropped. It is clearly a replica. On the actual prop there is a nub underneath the chainsaw grip from where they took off the carry-handle from the Predator version. It is completely absent in this screen cap. Furthermore if you look at the rear part of the Y-frame it has a protrusion on it that is not on the actual gun. There is a protrusion from where they removed the carry-handle on the real gun, but it looks different. I'm editing the page accordingly, because it is obviously not he same weapon. There is no wide shot of Arnold dropping the weapon, just the close up of them dropping the prop.

- I have to say that's quite interesting. I too noticed the dropped Minigun looked a bit different. Though the story with Arnold actually dropping the real Mini-Vulcan despite protests about damaging the weapon is quite believable.

And ID yourself next time! :P StanTheMan 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

The weird thing is that Cameron said in an audio commentary that he had Arnold drop the minigun on the floor and its owners didn't like it.

Cameron: Now, the guys who owned it really didn't like that shot.
Wisher: He just dropped it on the ground like that.
Cameron: I said, "He's a Terminator. He doesn't care about it once it's empty. He's gonna drop it." and they said, "Well, can we put a pad under it?" and I said, "No, you'll see the pad." I was not their favorite guy that day. But fortunately, it didn't damage it.

Also, has anyone else heard the story that Arnold was the only one on the set who could lift the minigun and he had to carry it on the set instead of having crew members do it? HeadAllTheWayUpIt (talk) 09:44, 7 April 2020 (EDT)

Just noticing this thread. WHO Is the so called EXPERT saying that the mini gun being dropped was a MYTH! It was not. I was told DIRECTLY BY SYD STEMBRIDGE that at least in the first take, Arnold DID drop the gun and that Syd was PISSED. This was told to me in PERSON a second time at Cinema Weaponry (years later) and I remember it distinctly. Now if the person who is saying this identifies themselves, I'll listen. I've run into folks who did have different recollections of what happened on movie sets. Even though I was present on location those nights just as an observer, I was NOT there when the so called DROP happened. Is this just conjecture based on the fact that in the final cut of the film there is a REPLICA being dropped on the ground? I HATE these types of 'wild guesses' made by folks who have no actual knowledge of the events. :( MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 20:30, 25 June 2020 (EDT) (yes it's ME posting here)

Nice to see you're still alive, MPM! Anyway, the myth story sounds just as plausible as one of those 'stories that you hear', as much as it sounded plausible about being true as I mentioned prior (TEN YEARS prior lol). And hell until now we had nobody to actually refute and question it. (I only just now noticed that bit with the commentary which supports you MPM - which frankly I'd take your word over this fella whos only merit here is the point the final cut uses the prop - Which as you said was likely shot after the fact of the real 'drop')
BTW, This is the guy who made the above statement, and it seems he was outed even back then as someone talking out of his ass some. At least he's still active though. StanTheMan (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

Some little edits

I took it upon myself to edit a few things, mostly the very few remaining spelling errors, since I'm re-reading the entire page.

I also replaced the standard 1911 thumbnail (On the Pescadero Guard) with one of a Nickel 1911, as the guard's gun is Nickel of course.

Also I edited this thumbnail text. The extra comment wasn't absolutely necessary, and I agree with the guy who remarked about the comment anyway.

SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at Sarah Connor, without even ordering her to drop her weapons,which doesnt seem like something a SWAT team would do.

Yeah, well, something tells me the SWAT team only gets called in when diplomacy has failed, and given that they'd already shot the place up pretty good, I think the SWAT team was justified in not asking for their honorable surrender. ~Cozmo

Wow, so NOT true. SWAT teams are not execution squads. They're still cops. Even when they storm a place, they yell for people to throw down their weapons and lie on the ground. They are ready for a moment's notice to shoot anyone with a weapon who makes any sort of aggressive move, even inadvertently pointing it in their 'direction' is grounds for getting shot. The only time a shoot to kill order comes is for a sharpshooter or the perp is actively murdering hostages. In the context of the film, Sarah and the Terminator had already been listed as Most Wanted (by this time the authorities figured out (falsely) that Sarah was in league with the Terminator whom they linked to the previous massacre in 1984. So fugitives who had already 'murdered' 17 + cops would probably not get much of a warning when confronted with a SWAT team. Also the Terminator had already previously destroyed all the cop cars with a mini gun and M79. The cops would have considered that attempted murder (they don't care if you intentionally miss). So the gloves were off, but that was a circumstance SPECIFIC to the scene in the movie and not indicative of a SWAT team's role in general. MoviePropMaster2008

Otherwise a truly excellent page, probably the best on the site, I'd say.

Oh yeah, there were two lines of text stating the trivia was moved here, so I got rid of one of them as well.

Hope you enjoy the ride! StanTheMan 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Sarah's CAR-15 Laser?

Was hoping one of the experts here could tell me, I've been wondering for a while.

How is the laser on Sarah's CAR-15 mounted? It appears to be under the barrel, but I don't know how it fits.

Is it a custom mount? -- 01:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks like this kind of thing to me:

Exacto Laser Universal Mount.jpg]

--Sidewinder Forge 09:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta firing sound effects in this film used in other films?

This is quite an interesting piece of movie trivia in case anyone is interested: The sound effects that are used when the T-1000 fires his Beretta 92FS and later the Browning Hi-Power pistol, were also used in another movie; The Iron Giant. In the climax of that film, one of the main characters fires an M1911 and the pistol sound effects are exactly the same ones used in this film for the Beretta and Browning pistols. If anyone else has heard the gunshot sound effects from this movie in other films after the release of this one, please share your knowledge, because I think it's rather interesting trivia. --ThatoneguyJosh 13:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Well post production sound is always added and sometimes the sound editor would have a lot of files of "generic" gun shots. Most of the time it's not even recorded production sounds like in Heat. So if a "gun shot" sounds the same from movie to movie, it's the edits after the movie is done where the sound was added in Excalibur01 22:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... that's interesting. Because I have heard the same gunshot sound effects in this movie being used in other films besides The Iron Giant, it's just that I kinda forgot the names of those films, sorry. But thanks for your response! --ThatoneguyJosh 13:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Bit Of Random Trivia

I don't know if anyone caught this, but right before the SWAT team open fires on Arnold when he's walking towards them, you can see a crew member that worked on the film walking in the background behind them. I don't have any way of grabbing of screenshot of the scene but its there. User:SeanWolf

Interesting Goof

In the film, the T-101 says that the T-1000 cannot form complex machines such as firearms, yet when the T-1000 transforms from John Connor's foster mother to the default cop form, you can see his Beretta 92FS appear holstered on his hip (though he never uses it again and acquires a Browning Hi-Power instead). Orca1 9904 02:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Not a goof - just cos it looks like a beretta doesn't mean it's a functional weapon, it just appears to be one as the T1000 would probably know that a cop with an empty holster would look odd. --Sidewinder Forge 20:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Could have just stored the gun inside the body.--FIVETWOSEVEN 20:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Didn't he later loose the 92 and then picked up the Browning? Excalibur01 20:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

The Beretta was supposedly lost or destroyed during the aqueduct chase scene when the semi tow truck the T-1000 hijacked crashed and exploded. He then takes the Hi-Power from the fat guard he kills at the mental hospital. Orca1 9904 22:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

The T1000 lost the Beretta in the mall hallway after being shot with the shotgun. --Ben41 03:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

According to the Extreme DVD commentary, it has been stated that most simple and less complex objects (name tags, keys, etc.) are mimicked and he had to keep stealing police equipment and radios. This means that he probably stole another Beretta and a few police equipment prior to the death of John's foster parents. - Kenny99 04:13, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Considering he steals a motorcycle from a cop directly after the tow truck is destroyed. It stands to reason that he also took the officer's weapon. --Gau17 07:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, he steals another (empty) LAPD Caprice at the bridge immediately after the truck crash, as shown in a deleted scene. He is of course seen driving it to Pescedero. He acquires the bike afterward ('Say, that's a nice bike'). Still, I would agree about him perhaps mimicking a phony handgun (a non-working one of course, a prop you could say) and just taking another actual one as soon as it was able/convenient (In this case, Lewis' the guard's Hi-Power once he mimics him). StanTheMan 20:42, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

Speaking of which there was a goof there as well. If you know your emergency lightbars like I do (I find flashing lights and siren almost as cool as guns) that lightbar in the deleted scene on the Chevy Caprice that the T-1000 steals was a Code 3 MX 7000 which looks completely different from the lightbar on the Chevy Caprice that he pulls into the sanitarium in. The lightbar on that car was a Federal Signal Aerodynic like the one on the car he got in the begining. And if anybody is curious to the lightbar on the Ford Crown Victoria from the sanitarium Police Department that lightbar was a Federal Signal Jetsonic which at the time were the most aerodynamic lightbars in the world. All those lightbars are still pretty much made but have had alot of upgrades. The MX 7000 is still fairly popular with public safety agencies. Just thought I would throw that info out there for anyone who is interested. Duke Nukeum 12:31, 16 April 2015

M41A Pulse Rifle Cameo

Finally got my hands on an HD copy of the film, and noticed this early on.

T2 2000.jpg

Looks to me like the M41A made a cameo in the opening tunnel scene. If anyone wants to add it to the main page, go right ahead. Swamples 21:09, 29 August 2012 (CDT)

Sorry not the pulse rifle, but the same Ruger AC556 in the Bullpup configuration as seen in Total Recall (1990) --Ben41 22:37, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Yeah, that's not the Pulse Rifle, it's just another Ruger. If it's in the film at all it's so buried in the background I've never seen it.--Leigh Burne 02:36, 30 August 2012 (CDT)
Wow, okay. Yeah, it's been years since I've seen Total Recall, and after visiting the page for the film, I can definitely say that it's actually that modified Ruger and not the Pulse. My bad guys. Swamples (talk) 04:14, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

Unknown SMG/assault rifle

A one point during the SWAT raid, T-800 was shooting SMG armed officers with his pistol. But when he shot the last SMG officer, I noticed that the gun he had isn't a H&K MP5. It looks like an assault rifle with a silencer from my point of view. Heres a picture to show what I mean.

The downed SWAT officer on the right armed with an unknown SMG/assault rifle.

--Gunnerboy (talk) 22:57, 1 February 2013 (EST)

A bit late but it should be noted that that would be another Sporter/XM177 mock-up. StanTheMan (talk) 21:41, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

Model 1901?

Since it fires modern slugs, wouldn't the Terminator's 1887 technically be a 1901? Maxman (talk) 22:54, 1 September 2013 (EST)

Well, no, because it doesn't fire slugs, it fires blanks. Evil Tim (talk) 03:57, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Winchester 1300

The Terminator picks up a Winchester 1300.
Winchester 1300 - 12 Gauge.

Looking at it, the shape and size of the pump grip, as well as the tube seems to be off for a Win 1300.. Could this be some other model of shotgun - Possibly a High Standard?

High Standard FLITE KING K-1200 Riot Standard Model (Catalog #8111) - 12 gauge.

StanTheMan (talk) 22:47, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

Folding stock on the MM1?

Is it just me, or is the MM1 fitted with the folding stock off of a Franchi SPAS-12 in this picture:


It is clearly not there in some of the other shots though, so my guess is that it is fitted to help with firing the weapon one handed. If you look just in front of Arnie's elbow it looks like you can just see the arm hook of the stock as well (this is how the hook on the SPAS-12 is meant to be used). --commando552 (talk) 13:48, 30 October 2014 (EDT)

Wow, good catch there, 552. StanTheMan (talk) 22:18, 30 October 2014 (EDT)

Sarah's Detonics

There seems to be contradictory info on that listing - It first states the gun was built off the ServiceMaster model, but then says it was a combo of a ScoreMaster frame and CombatMaster slide with compensated barrel to pass for a longslide. The latter actually does appear to be the case on the screen-used image as well as the film's actual gun, especially in the last two screencaps. Furthermore there's some info which seems to support the latter supposition on the actual image page, however it was posted by an anon user whose only contribution seems to be that post of info and nothing else.

Now on the Runaway page (which seems to be the same gun(s) ) also says it was done off a ServiceMaster though, but again, that contradicts the other info (and frankly I think that section is a bit botched there, too). This is something has bugged me a bit for a while now but I've never really cared to make it an issue until yesterday when I did a big re-arrangement of the page. So anyway, what takes can you guys give on this? StanTheMan (talk) 00:49, 25 February 2015 (EST)

The problem is that the ServiceMaster and ScoreMaster frames are the same... Though the ScoreMaster has Pachmayr grips standard, so I'd say ScoreMaster. Mr. Wolf (talk) 05:09, 12 November 2015 (EST)
Changed things, hope I didn't screw up. Mr. Wolf (talk) 05:58, 12 November 2015 (EST)
That too was the problem I was having (the frames), though your reasoning works for me. I tweaked your edit a bit, hope it works fine - I appreciate you taking the lead initially on this. StanTheMan (talk) 14:00, 12 November 2015 (EST)
You're welcome, and thanks for the edits. Mr. Wolf (talk) 22:13, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Regarding the "Coltonics", since it is obviously not an actual M1911A1 but it's called one in most of the section, Should we just call it a 1911, hybrid 1911, or custom 1911 instead? Mr. Wolf (talk) 22:26, 12 November 2015 (EST)

I've seen other pages where 'M1911A1' is used in lieu of other nomenclature even in the case of custom guns/hybrids, or even other manufacturers that have their own model names (Detonics, Springfield Armory, Kimber, etc); 'M1911A1' is mostly interchangeable here I think - Though not technically exact it's hardly incorrect either. All-told, I don't see the a need to specifically state on every 1911A1 remark in that section that it's a 'custom' and/or 'hybrid' but then again I also don't see the harm in doing so, either. Basically no biggie for me either way. StanTheMan (talk) 23:22, 12 November 2015 (EST)
I think I'll just change it to "1911" since that's a board term, it just bugs be cause the M1911A1 is a specific gun here. Mr. Wolf (talk) 23:46, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup, mirrored shots

Just a "goof". In the initial battle-scenes the troops use the Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup. In some shots the troops are seen using it left-handed. This wont work on a MZ14 as the casings would eject into the trooper this way. (like the British SA80). This means some of the shots have been mirrored. Most likely those shots were troopers advancing from right to left in the original but then reversed to fit the rest of the battle.

The ejection port and charging handle are missing meaning the shot has been reversed and it's actually a right-handed trooper.

Think I found a plot hole

Was watching the movie tonight on TV, and something occurred to me; where did the T-800 get extra ammo for the Winchester 1887 he acquires at the roadhouse? He didn't get any shells from the owner of the bar (all he took from him was a pair of sunglasses and the shotgun itself), and we don't see him acquire any extra rounds between leaving the roadhouse and locating John Connor. Is there a deleted scene that addresses this issue, or is it just something that was ignored? Orca1 9904 (talk) 23:19, 16 November 2017 (EST)

I'd assume he got the other guy's wallet when he took his clothes, he probably just stopped off along the way to buy some. He obviously did some shopping since we didn't see him get the flowers he hid the shotgun in either. Evil Tim (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2017 (EST)
Not to mention gas for the bike to gallivant around LA, and so on. That said, this isn't really a plot hole, more like a nitpick - and one quite easily explained; Just 'cause we don't have a scene explicitly showing him getting the stuff doesn't mean it's absolutely impossible to even imply that he did so. StanTheMan (talk) 01:59, 17 November 2017 (EST)
There are bigger plotholes than that in the film. How did the T-1000 travel through time in the first place? Or why didn't the T800 kill anyone in the biker bar even though he hasn't been ordered not to kill anyone by John yet. Or how the biker's clothes fit the T800 in the first place when their body types are completely different? --cool-breeze (talk) 18:41, 17 November 2017 (EST)
T-1000 was sent back at the same time as the original T-800 from T1 (Sarah's monolog at the start) as Skynet's back-up plan. T-101's primary directive was to protect John, drawing attention to itself doesn't protect John while neutralising a threat it's specifically been told to deal with by John does. The original T-800 only had to be concerned with threats to itself of which precious few even existed, T-101 murdering someone and dragging a whole mess of cops to its meetup with a puny human would be likely to get John killed in the crossfire, while a straight-up fight in a rowdy biker bar poses no threat to either the mission or the T-101 itself. After all, a bunch of drunk troublemakers relating a ridiculous story about a naked bodybuilder walking in and kicking their asses would get the Official Police "Meh." And the clothes fitting Arnie isn't really a plot hole, more just convenience.
If you want a plot hole, go for something like T3's completely different Skynet still sending back two Terminators it must have known didn't kill Sarah or John anyway, or how Skynet is simultaneously trying to get released onto the world network and also the virus sabotaging the world network (would you like to run Skynet.exe (200 exabytes)?). Evil Tim (talk) 18:56, 17 November 2017 (EST)
How about the plot hole of who was John's father in the original timeline before the timeline alterations caused by Reese and the original T-800 being sent back in time? Spartan198 (talk) 03:39, 18 November 2017 (EST)
It's a closed loop in T1, John's father was always Kyle Reese (cause following effect is theoretically possible under Einsteinian physics, IIRC). It only becomes complicated in T2 where suddenly there's no Skynet to invent the time machine or the Terminators. Evil Tim (talk) 09:31, 18 November 2017 (EST)
I can't believe you guys chose to go down this rabbit hole. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:37, 18 November 2017 (EST)
Hell, Sarah even states in the first movie that "a person can go crazy thinking about all this". It's a paradox, trying to think about it won't get you anywhere. Unless you're a sentient AI. In which case it will kill you. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:09, 18 November 2017 (EST)
I think I prefer Reese's explanation that he doesn't know how it works because he didn't build the thing :P Evil Tim (talk) 10:19, 18 November 2017 (EST)

"Remington 870 Police Combat"

Does this variant really exist? I googled it and all the results are about Terminator. HeadAllTheWayUpIt (talk) 06:22, 5 November 2020 (EST)

No, whoever wrote the page appears to have been confused; there is a version of the Remington 870 called the "Police Magnum" which is basically just a regular 870 built with some stronger parts. However, I don't see any evidence that the Remington 870s in this movie are the Police Magnum version (I'm not even sure it was in production when the movie was filmed); as far as I can tell, they're all just standard Remington 870 folders. -MT2008 (talk) 19:42, 2 May 2021 (EDT)

BTS gun training video

I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but I came across this video where the armorer talks a bit about the guns and the company. Of note is the armorer test firing the plasma rifle with the calico inside. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:47, 4 February 2021 (EST)

Neat! Side note: Wow, Harry Lu was so young back then! I watched him in a BTS video for Terminator: Genisys (for which he was also the lead armorer), and obviously, he's aged a lot since, but still working hard. :) -MT2008 (talk) 19:27, 2 May 2021 (EDT)

The MP5K / SP89

For many years now, the page has said that the T1000's machine pistol is an H&K SP89 that was converted to full-auto and then fitted with an MP5K grip. However, I watched the movie again recently, and I'm now certain that it is in fact an actual MP5K (or rather, a full transferrable SP89 conversion that has the SEF trigger pack, not just a standard SP89 with a drop-in sear). It's often not seen very clearly, but there are plenty of scenes where you can tell that it has the SEF trigger pack - notably, when Robert Patrick reloads it in the helo (a screenshot on the page shows the pin for the SEF trigger pack). Also: in the scene where the MP5K is fired by the SWAT officer, you can see that it does in fact have the paddle magazine release; the screenshot that we have on the page just has weird resolution/lighting issues which makes it look like it doesn't have one. -MT2008 (talk) 19:33, 2 May 2021 (EDT)

Latest notation (moved from main page)

Here on IMFDB, whenever we write the name of a character, we add the actor right behind it, with a link, like saying that "Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) pulls out her rifle". Shapeshifters make that tough. Thankfully, the T-1000 is played by Patrick the entire film, and only changes to other actors for short periods. This is because, story-wise, it decides to keep it's "default" face because it figures the T-800's (Arnold Schwarzenegger) biometric scanners can pick it up anyways. Either way, it does change forms a few times, and as such the character and actor won't line up consistently on this page.

I'm not sure adding this really clarifies anything nor is it something we really need to have clarified in the first place. It just seems odd and arbitrary, especially at the top of the page. That said, the T-1000 is credited to only Robert Patrick - IIRC Dan Stanton is 'Lewis (as T-1000)' or something of that sort. Same with Leslie Hamilton Gearren who I believe is credited likewise as 'Sarah (as T-1000)', so to credit them as just T-1000 is inaccurate and misleading. I've edited the Hi-Power listing a bit to hopefully make it simpler and not inaccurate - In doing so I think that also renders this rather trivia-ish disclaimer moot. But I'm willing to make a debate of it here soo.. agree/disagree? StanTheMan (talk) 23:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)

Sarah's Colt Commando CAR-15 and Colt 653 carbine

Having re-watched this movie after meeting Michael Biehn which got me nostalgic on a Terminator binge, I've noticed that the rifle that Sarah uses to try kill Myles with looks a lot more like a Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" than the mock CAR-15 Commando carbine as it features a 16 inch barrel (which is way too long to pass off as the CAR-15 as seen by the barrel threading exposed by lack of flash hider to fix on the suppressor that also sticks far out) and a full auto non SP1 lower receiver with a magazine fencing; which would explain the sudden rifle continuity change in scene. While earlier Sarah inspects and takes with her a CAR-15 style carbine the rifle changes to a Colt 653 with a laser sight and ACOG scope not seen earlier in Mexico, which perhaps the rifle is passing off as the mock Commando rifle from earlier. MrJDK9412 (talk) 04:15, 2 July 2022 (AEST)

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