Talk:Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows

Unidentified Rifle

I think it's safe to say that these aren't Gewehr 1898s. See below. --Funkychinaman 23:35, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

The magazine that extends out of the rifle.

Muzzle looks weird.

Gewehr 1888's? It's got the fat muzzle. And the Austro-Hungarian Army did use a licensed copy. [1] --Funkychinaman 23:48, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

Also, the rifle in the trailer has a visible magazine , the 98 does not have one. -G36Ghost.

Mauser M712

In the trailer between 32-34 seconds an unknown character can be seen loading a mazing into a C-96 pattern pistol, implying the M712. I would include this but am still somewhat unfamiliar with Wiki editing, and more importantly, how to upload a picture. Not to shirk responsibility, but if someone more knowledgeable can do it, thanks. --Rebusdi 21:28, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

Its most definitly a M712. The character using it describes it as using a 10 round box magazine, and even accurately notes it firing a 7.63 caliber round. He tells Holmes his revolver is a relic, in comparison. Edit: I believe that the useage of a detachable box magazine makes it a M712 right away. I think we should remove the C96 title from the entry on the main page. -MissySummers-

Man portable machine gun

There was a scene where Watson took hold of a weird weapon that looks like nothing I've ever seen before and fits a top shiny banana shaped magazine and was firing it full auto Excalibur01 11:22, 17 December 2011 (CST)

The closest I can come is a Beretta M1918, though I have a feeling that's incorrect.User:pastorhack

From how cumbersome and awkward it looked, think it could be a Villar-Perosa OVP M1918, the regular automatic carbine version of the Villar-Perosa submachine gun. --commando552 09:58, 18 December 2011 (CST)

Just noticed that it is actually visible for a few frames in the trailer:

To me this doesn't look like and OVP or a Beretta M1918, so am stumped. Neither of these guns have a magazine well like this. The profile of the barrel looks a bit like the OVP but it is too thick. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that this weapon is mockup up from something else. This gun doesn't seem to have any sights, and that silver bit behind the magazine could be the receiver of a donor weapon which has a conventional layout. --commando552 10:15, 18 December 2011 (CST)

It's a mocked-up Villar-Perosa--Mandolin 18:54, 18 December 2011 (CST)

It really does look like a Villar-Persoa. So do we put this on the page? Excalibur01 11:55, 1 January 2012 (CST)

Are we sure it's actually a Villar-Perosa that was used? I saw the movie and the gun resembled a scaled-down version of the 1895 light-weight Maxim that had been adapted for a Villar-Perosa style box feed. I admit I never got a really good look at the entire weapon, but it seemed to have the same kind of pistol grip that you would find on a Maxim. So I don't think we can say the weapon was intended to be a Villar-Perosa, and unless we can get some behind the scenes info on the production we have no idea what was used to construct it.--Phillb36 13:41, 1 January 2012 (CST)

It looks like an early Bren prototype because of the curved magazine--Coltmth 17:21, 20 January 2012 (CST)

First off, it clearly isn't a bren, as the bren has a much larger magazine for starters, and generally looks nothing like this. Below is a picture of the Villar-Perosa OVP M1918 Automatic Carbine:

There is definitely a similarity but there are quite a few differences which I think mean it is not an actual OVP: the barrel is too thick and lacks a front sight, the curvature of the magazine looks too severe and the base plate is different, genuine OVPs don't have a protruding magazine well and lastly the film gun has an odd boxy stainless steel structure behind the magazine. I still think it is a different submachine gun that has been flipped over and modified to look like an OVP, but until Bluray screenshots are available it is very hard to tell. --commando552 18:22, 20 January 2012 (CST)

I don't believe the weapon is supposed to represent the OVP, and in fact I don't think it is supposed to represent an actual real world weapon. From what I could see, the only aspect of the gun that resembled the OVP is the magazine, the gun itself looks like it was inspired by the 1895 light weight Maxim. At one point in the film a number of the guns are shown sitting on a table in the weapons factory, it's only a quick shot but I'm sure the they had pistol grips that resembled the type found on a Maxim. IMO, the propmaster was tasked with providing some form of man portable machine gun for this film, and the best solution was a hybrid of two real world weapons in order to create something that looked like it could have existed in 1891.--Phillb36 00:10, 21 January 2012 (CST)

I always figured that the anachronistic guns were meant to be prototypes developed by Moriarty's weapons designers and were taken after his demise and the liquidation of his assets. The gun is clearly heavily inspired by the Villar-Perosa, but likely isn't necessarily meant to represent the Villar-Perosa. In this universe, the design was taken and made into the double-gun by an Italian designer as a way of increasing its firepower. It's an easy explanation for all the anachronistic weapons. Now the question is whether the gun was a real weapon converted and dressed up or a non-firing prop with CGI or pyro for the gunfire. Chitoryu12 07:13, 18 April 2012 (CDT)

Anachronistic

this movie actualy takes place in 1891 and not 1882 as this artical states --Armyguy277 14:03, 18 December 2011 (CST)

The text states 1892. --Jcordell 14:16, 18 December 2011 (CST)

I saw this movie today. 1891 has been mentioned twice. Flexo 08:09, 30 December 2011 (CST)

Yep. The original story, "The Final Problem", was also set in 1891. --Masterius 07:55, 15 January 2012 (CST)

shotgun

one of the men on the train looked like the had a shotgun?

Correct. One of the soldiers had a Winchester 1887. Hard to tell if it was 10 gauge or 12. --Bad Boy 23:36, 24 December 2011 (CST)

I actually thought that was a Martini-Henry, which would make sense for British soldiers of the time to be using. I guess it could be a (rather rare) Greener Prison Shotgun, which would look similar, in which case it would be 14 gauge. Jimmoy 08:13, 1 January 2012 (CST)

I've seen images of the Greener shotgun and it looks nothing like an 1887. Excalibur01 11:51, 1 January 2012 (CST)

Sorry for the imprecise wording, I meant similar to a Martini-Henry. I could very well be wrong about it being that, I didn't get a particularly good look at it and I suppose the 1887 being in the previous film lends some credence to that idea. Jimmoy 15:17, 1 January 2012 (CST)

I just bought the movie and the shotgun was a Winchester 1887. Balin21 10:40 14 June 2012 (CST)

The Forest Scene

Is it just me, or was that the best action scene in a movie in the last five years? I can't be the only one who thinks this. It was intense, well shot, and surprisingly innovative in the way it moved the camera and used high-speed film. It was completely awesome. I'd also like to figure out what make of cannon that was that the bad guys (and Watson, earlier) were using. -Cutter9792 (1/1/2012)

No it wasn't. In fact, the slow mo ramping up effect is very dated and a bit annoying after 300 did it. There are plenty of movies that have far superior action scenes Excalibur01 22:33, 1 January 2012 (CST)

Single shot pistol

During the scene on the train I am quite sure that I saw a small single shot pistol, used to dispatch one of the maxim gun crew. Anybody get a look at that?

It looked like a Colt .41 RF derringer. I suspect if it was then it was one of the modern replicas in .22 short.

I think it was the C sharps pepperbox like the one in the first movie--Coltmth 20:06, 20 January 2012 (CST)

Interesting Observation

There are double anachronisms in both films:

Sherlock Holmes 1: Suppressed Nagant Model 1895

Sherlock Holmes 2: Selective Mauser Model 1896

And judging by the pattern, Sherlock Holmes 3 gonna have "*adjective/adjectival participle starting with "S"* *Designer/Manufacturer* Model 1897".

--Masterius 08:28, 15 January 2012 (CST)

• I believe the suggestion in both films is that they're not meant to be the "Nagant 1895" or the "Mauser C96", but rather new weapons of a design that would only later be commercialized. The Nagant could be explained away as a modification to a contemporary revolver by Holmes himself, while it's quite clearly suggested that Moriarty's been manufacturing some highly advanced weapons for the war he plans on starting. After his death, the designs were probably confiscated and later used as the basis for the weapons as we know them today, like the apparent Villar-Perosa and the Mauser.Chitoryu12 07:13, 18 April 2012 (CDT)

That's what I interpreted it as as well - all the anachronistic guns seen were just advanced prototypes made by Moriarty, in an alternative history "this-is-where-they-first-came-from" kind of way.--Leigh Burne 05:25, 18 April 2012 (CDT)

Suppressor

Were sound suppressors even concieved back in the 1890's ? EoghanG93 11:58, 14 June 2012 (CDT)

Hiram Maxim marketed the first commercial silencer about 1902. Don't know how long he worked on the device though. I remember an episode of "Gunsmoke" where a killer was using a silencer he had invented on his rifle, so it has been done before in media. --Krel 21:58, 14 June 2012 (CDT)

It was done to show that Moriarty is better than Holmes. as you see in the first film Holmes is "in the process of inventing a device which muffles the sound of a gunshot". Moriarty succeeds where Sherlock Failed.

--Pistolpete 07:59, 17 June 2012 (CDT)

Moran's sniper rifle

Moran's rifle looks nothing like Martini-Henry. In fact, it looks nothing like any rifle I've seen. Maybe it's a complete prop?

Unused images

Men charging through a forest with Mannlicher Gewehr 1888s.

Unknowns

Mortar

Any ideas on what this mortar can be?

A Meinhard guard loads a mortar.

Revolver

Rene Heron (Laurence Possa) attempts to kill the British Prime Minister with an unknown nickel plated revolver. I was going to guess Webley Mk I, but I noticed that it appears to hav a five shot cylinder.

A shot of the front of the cylinder as Rene struggles with Watson. It appears to only hold five rounds.

A brief shot of the grips as Rene is unarms.

Artillery piece

Probably not eligible for inclusion, but Watson uses it to end his standoff with Moran.