Talk:Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes

SMG

Not sure it is a Steyr. Ejection port is different and no top bolt. Might one of the PP or PM series.Temp89 12:25, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, about how it doesn't look like a Steyr, but I don't really see the PP or PM series in that SMG. --SmithandWesson36 12:39, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

I glanced around and the best match I could find would be a Ruger MP9 with most of the grip removed and a Skorpion-style stock added. Evil Tim 13:02, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

Comparing recent Gametrailers' pop up trailer and looking online, it does look more like a Steyr MPi 69 Excalibur01 (talk) 15:46, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, but in the shots we have the ribs on the side and the ejection port aren't right for the Steyr at all. I bet it's some ridiculously obscure subgun prototype or something. Evil Tim (talk) 03:24, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

My guess is they are going for made up hybrids this time. With the rifle for example there is actually nothing on there that matches a real FNC, think it just got ID'd as that as it has a folding stock and is sort of the same general shape. If you look closely at the lower receiver it actually appears to be a bastardised malformed AR-15 lower. --commando552 (talk) 04:34, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

I dunno, this is still supposed to be MSF as far as I'm aware, so it's in the past; could be a case of MSF having to go to fictional stuff after having invented every weapon and thing ever in the last game, I suppose. And actually I think that's the FAL model from Peace Walker with a 5.56mm STANAG stuck in it. Evil Tim (talk) 05:07, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

So far, none of the MGS games have resorted to fictional firearms aside from the ray guns and rail guns Excalibur01 (talk) 12:02, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

Thinking about it, is it possible it's some cheapy Airsoft FAL which is built around guts designed to go in an AR-15 platform and so needs to use a 5.56mm mag and have a front pivot? Evil Tim (talk) 06:35, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

That idea does seem like a stretch. I have never seen an "cheap" Airsoft FAL that is built to look like an AR and I've seen a lot of weird Airsoft when I was into it. Keep in mind, this is still a demo and they could still fix it to look more like an FNC, which is what I think they are trying for. And are we dead set on what the SMG really is without considering the MPi? Excalibur01 (talk) 11:42, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

I still think the AR is just a random hybrid gun rather than it being physically based on anything. It is kind of like they cobbled together random bits of models to make a gun in the shape of an FNC, so could be a place holder. As for the SMG, it appears to me to be mostly based on a malformed Uzi with a Skorpion style top folding stock added and a few parts omitted or changed. On first glance I know it doesn't really look like one but hear me out. First off are the sights, with the front and rear sights both having semi circular wings. Then there is the fact that it has the slot in the top of the receiver for the top mounted charging handle although the handle itself is absent and the top of the model has been flattened rather than keeping the humped Uzi receiver. The two short ribs at the rear of the receiver match the Uzi. Also above the pistol grip is a horizontal rectangular indent which is another telling Uzi feature. Finally in the last screenshot you can see that behind the pistol grip the receiver narrows like on the Uzi. I will admit that the final product doesn't look much like an Uzi what with it having a Skorpion folding wire stock and lacking the distinctive Uzi muzzle and handguards, but to me it appears that the "raw material" they were working from to make this gun was an Uzi. --commando552 (talk) 12:04, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, I thought Uzi as my second option, that indent is way closer to Uzi than the longer one on the MP9. As for the rifle...Tilting my head, it looks almost like it's supposed to be the missing (or rather nonexistent) link between the FAL and the SCAR. Evil Tim (talk) 13:06, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

Grabbed a couple extra shots. Not really helpful in getting an ID, but it's something. --Lynx (talk) 23:53, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

BIG BOSS's rifle

Is Snake with the rifle wonder why truly FN FAL Paratrooper? I think that HAC-7. - KINKI'boy 16:17, 13 September 2012 (JST)

Snake with the rifle.

HAC-7 - 7.62x51mm NATO

It does actually bear quite a good resemblance to the HAC-7C (assuming it would be the carbine version as the suppressor goes all the way back to the front sight) but there are some differences. Firstly it is the wrong caliber, the HAC-7 is a .308 feeding from AR-10 magazines rather than this which has a regular 30 round .223 mag. The stock is also wrong being of a more conventional FAL type, and the gun has an AR-15 pistol grip as opposed to the FAL type on the HAC-7. This gun is close enough that it might be what they were going for, but not a single part is actually a match for the real gun, it is just the same general shape and layout. Part of this might be the fact that the gun is so rare that they could not find much reference material for it, but not sure that is really an excuse as after 5 minuted on google I was able to find pictured good enough to show that there model is wrong. Again, could just be a place-holder model though. Regardless,if it turns out that it is a HAC-7 of some sort this is a totally bizarre choice, using a gun that only about 300 were made which was never designed or trialled for military use, it is just one of those random rare civillian guns made by a Texas gunsmith. --commando552 (talk) 03:53, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

While the gun seems to be a combination of parts from different weapons, wouldn't the FAL style receiver and 5.56 mm magazine indicate that it's (at least somewhat) based on the IMBEL MD-97? --Lynx (talk) 23:49, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

IMBEL MD-97 - 5.56x45mm

The IMBEL MD-97 wouldn't be that impossible looks pretty much like the screenshot, was made for the Brazilian Army, and its special forces and chambered for 5.56x45mm NATO. However it was not made until 1997 but it wouldn't be the first time anachronisms appeared in MGS unless you meant the earlier (but still anachronistic) IMBEL MD.Mr.Ice (talk) 16:28, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

The annoying thing about this gun is it looks "pretty much" like quite a few things, but exactly like nothing. If you look at any part and compare it to the MD-97 it is different, with the exception of the magazine itself, and possibly the stock if you were feeling generous. I'm sticking with hybrid, possibly standing in for something else. --commando552 (talk) 17:20, 19 September 2012 (EDT)