Talk:Hans Kloss: More Than Death at Stake

Unidentified pistol look's like Walther PPK. - Witol96 30.08.2012 - 10:09 UTC +01:00

No, the slide is all wrong. I'd say it's a VIS. --Seriously Mike 04:29, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

It is too small for a VIS, that is equivalent to a full size 1911 whereas this looks smaller. --commando552 04:53, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

I moved it under the Tokarev copy, because it has the lanyard ring on the magazine baseplate, the same straight slide serrations, and the sights are moved forward on the slide to accommodate the hammer because it is partially shrouded in the slide. --SmithandWesson36 05:13, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

On second thought, you're right. --Seriously Mike 05:58, 31 August 2012 (CDT)

"AKMSU"

This is East German MPi-AKS-74NК in 5.45x39. Note the shape of folding stock which is typical for East German AKs. Greg-Z 05:50, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

It is variant of AK-74U?--Pandolfini 06:44, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

This is East German analogous of AKS-74U. Here is its view. As can be seen, this gun differs from AKS-74U in shape but has the same size and usage. Greg-Z 07:21, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

Actually I don't think it is an MPi-AKS-74NК as that has a longer barrel than this, being equivalent to the AK-105 but with the folding wire stock. Is this filmed in Poland? If so it could be a wz. 89 Onyxs which is a shortened variant of the Tantal, or it could be a cut down East German gun (MPi-AKS-74N or MPi-AKS-74NK, once you shorten the barrel there is no way of telling). Also, Pandolfini do you have any more shots from that scene, as the guy behind has a 5.45mm rifle judging by the muzzle break and gas block, but can't tell what it is without a look at the rest of the gun (my guess is a Tantal or an MPi-AKS-74N). --commando552 07:39, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

I agree, this is most likely wz. 89 Onyxs. Greg-Z 07:55, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

Yeah that's what I'm talking about. Is hard to tell from the screenshot but I think the rear sight matches as well, along with the rounded bump in the lower handguard. Going on this I would guess that the gun behind is the wx. 88 Tantal, but the flash hider doesn't look right, more like a normal AKS-74 one. --commando552 09:25, 30 August 2012 (CDT) Thx!--Pandolfini 09:26, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

Jericho 941

Is'n it anachronistic for year 1970? Couldn't they use someting different like Colt 1911M1? - Witol96 30.08.2012 - 16:56 UTC +01:00

Polish wz 89 Onyks is also anachronistic:)))--Pandolfini 09:59, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

Yes, but Onyks is standing for AK47. - Witol96 30.08.20122 - 17:02 UTC +01:00

Onyx is but standing for AK-74 and Soviet Union began replacing their AK-47 with a AK-74 in 1978. Story movie but began in 1975 by death of Otto Skorzeny.--Pandolfini 10:26, 30 August 2012 (CDT)