Talk:Hitman (2007)

looks more like a usp tactical minus threaded barrel

If it doesn't have a threaded barrel, it can't possibly be a Tactical. It's probably a regular USP fitted with adjustable sights. It's very common in Hollywood for armorers to take stock models and then convert them to other variants as necessary. Saves them the trouble of having to buy a whole other gun when the only difference is something like the barrel.

Whew!

Done. -MT2008 22:28, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you noticed the same errors I did. Like with the MP5s, I watched that part and was like "Miss a step." I'll add armorers input after I do Windtalkers. Back to school tommorow so it might take some time. - Gunmaster45

Para Ordnance 1911s

I noticed that the gun placed down while he's in the shower is a "mystery Para" when it resembles the other Paras used. The only argument against it being the P18 is it's wider bore, but in a lot of shots, the bore looks like that of a .45. Is is possible they switched between P14s and P18s or something? ~Yournamehere

That's a good point, and actually a thought I had myself. The difference between 9mm and .45 ACP 1911s is usually pretty obvious, and it does look to me like the Paras that 47 uses are actually P14s and not P18s in some of my screencaps. I'm really not sure. It is possible that they used both types of weapons in the film. -MT2008

I agree the bore looks big but you even see it in scenes were the model number is evident. all in all they need AMT Hard ballers anything else is a bad knock off, not sure why they went with para any way other end of the spectrum. any cheap stainless 5in 1911 clone would have been better, also with silencers 47 would have to get subsonic ammo to even use 9mm. whereas 45s are naturally right at subsonic making them easier to silence.

Makarov

Is It just me or does muzzle of Makarov in picture of Udre Belicoff holding the PM look like a .22?

the mak does look like it has the bore of a .22 --FIVETWOSEVEN 22:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Unknown M1911

It might be an AMT Hardballer.-GunnutHk

The Hardballer is most distinctive for having a much longer slide than a standard 1911. This gun doesn't. -MT2008

Well technically the Hardballer Longslide does but a standard Harballer is 5", which is what the guns in the game were (except in Blood Money they could be upgraded with long slides). But the next two screencaps are definately not a Hardballer. The top one could be though. - Gunmaster45

I dont know, but is the grip a little wide? Double stack maybe? The Winchester

Well, then maybe the AMT Hardliner.-GunnutHk

What is a "Hardliner"? Also, if you meant the Hardballer - the Hardballer is not a double-stack 1911. -MT2008

I know the Harballer and there is a Hardliner.-GunnutHk

You know, I may be wrong, but I think the first image may still be his P-18. Look at the images of the P-18s above and you cans see they have irregularly large muzzle diameters, so maybe it still is a P-18. - Gunmaster45

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The opening scene of the movie

Aside from the scene of a young 47 given his guns, most of the "training" segments were from Dark Angel. You can clearly see the bar codes on the necks instead of on the back of the head like 47.

Assassins Meeting Weapons

Some forgotten details... Charly Driver

Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac

Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac

Beretta 92FS with SGS Comp.

Beretta Competition Compensator on Taurus

I just wanna watch the special features!

I wanna see this "armorer" clown sound stupid as hell. It has to be a riot, or painful... BTW is he aiming with the WRONG eye in the 1911 screen? or is this some super secret technique that the masses don't know about? --Furious Oyster

It's called being left eye dominant. Just like right, and left hand dominance, there is also eye dominance. No idea how common it is to be a lefty, though from what I've gathered the great Nathan Fillion is one. As am I. [1] --Crazycrankle 18:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC) As am I.--L.J. Gibbs 00:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I am left eye dominate, right handed as well... But I learned to use my right eye when shooting. Eye patches are sexy. LOL. Never seen anyone actually shoot that way before. --Furious Oyster

is any one sure this guy is a real armorer he seems like the stupidest guy to ever have picked up a gun

Honestly, I've seen stupider. I once knew a guy that thought a Beretta 92 was a Glock. And on the previous topic, I'm a left eye, right hand as well. Acora 08:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I admit that I haven't watched this special feature (my version of the DVD didn't have it, which is why John had to upload the screencaps), but why is Mr. Maratier "stupid"? He's an armorer, not a filmmaker. I doubt his involvement in the production of the special feature extended beyond his interview, and showing off the guns he sent out to the production. The addition of footage showing targets being hit by live rounds (which Maratier himself obviously did not fire) may have been a decision on the part of the director or editor, which was done without his consent or knowledge. In which case, they are the ones who are stupid, not him.

As for his flinching, he's firing blank ammunition. Blanks are always loaded with far more powder than live rounds so that they will produce a far larger flash, which cinematographers prefer because it looks "cool" on camera. However, the downside is that it's easier to involuntarily flinch due to the light and noise, which is why you see so many actors firing "eyes closed" in movies or TV shows. Just because Maratier is an armorer doesn't mean he's immune from doing the same thing - just look at the muzzle flash of the Blaser R93 and the CAR-15 that he's firing. Can any of us say that we would never do the same thing if we were firing blanks?

I realize that the finished feature, as we (the viewers) see it, looks kinda dumb, but we shouldn't jump to conclusions about who is at fault. For all we know, Mr. Maratier himself has seen it by this point, and is pissed off at the editors for making him look stupid without talking to him first. -MT2008 19:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Heck, I've seen grown men considered to be authorities on firearms who flinch when they shoot. Several of the editors for american rifleman flinch when they shoot. It's very common. Generally speaking it seems to be a matter of not having any real training. Military men and women, for instance, don't often flinch when they shoot. Sportsmen who learned to shoot from their fathers and uncles on the other hand do.

Having fired live ammo, and blank ammo alike, I can say that muzzle flash isn't what makes people flinch. In my dealings, it's the concussion of the round being fired. But flinching can be dealt with if the shooter is aware they are doing it. Actors are usually eager to look good, do if you tell them they look bad flinching they will stop. -J3

I'll reply to several of the above in this post. As the first two posters said, there is left and right eye dominance. Most of the population are right-handed and right-eye dominant, but are few are opposite eye dominant. I know some competition shooters who are right-handed but left-eye dominant. Because our competition is service rifles we have to use iron sights, so adjusting the focus on optical sights is out of the question. One simply shoots left-handed, and shoots quite well. The other had a set of prescription shooting glasses made. Flinching is something that happens even to experienced shooters. I normally use a No4 Lee-Enfield in .223 Remington. With the full stock and extra metal in the barrel (.223" vs .303") the rifle is effectively recoilless. But occasionally I start to flinch. To get over this I shoot full-power light-ball 7.92x57 (Turkish) through a Yugoslav M48 Mauser, or Chinese steel cased .308 though a No4 Mk4, and then return to the .223 conversion. I can understand why the actors will flinch. Very few are experienced with firearms and only use them in their roles. Add that more powder, often with flash enhancers, is used in the blank loads, the actors (and many of the crew) are often not wearing hearing protection, the studios are often confined and enclosed spaces, and after a few retakes using the guns becomes downright unpleasant. Having shot on indoor ranges WITH hearing protection, I can tell you they are very noisy. Start using full-power standard cartridges such as .303, .308, .30-06, or 7.92x57 and it can get unpleasant. Many actors, including William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, have suffered permanent hearing damage from blank munitions and pyrotechnics. (Wraith)

P18.9 varient

The P18.9 shown in the ID image is not the same gun shown in the screenshots.

I noticed no beaver-tail grip, different hammer & trigger, and slide-grips.

Anyone explain if this is just a varient, or personalised modification?

The one that MPM photographed (for the ID image) is a newer production model, while the ones used in the movie are older models. Para Ordnance has changed the way it manufactures its 1911s on several occasions. -MT2008 14:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

MG36

Adding the (ridiculously expensive i might add) HK bipod and a C-mag to a G36 doesn't make it an MG36. A real MG36 has a thicker barrel. Now i admit from the screenshots i don't see if its a normal barrel or not, but considering that there were only very few MG36s produced, i think they just added, like you said, a bipod to a G36. Which makes it, like i said, a G36 (probably a G36E if they didn't remove the reddot sight on purpose) with a bipod, not an MG36. The German Army doesn't even have enough MG36 to use them in the role they're intended for, they, too, just use their bipods and C-mags on their standard G36s (if at all, neither are very popular).

Ice

Would the ice affect the way those P18s shoot after 47 takes them out of the icebox?--MarineCorps1 01:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

well MarineCorps1 id dont think so . its not like the ice is melting not to mention we dont know how long they were in their . Simmons 8492

What I think he means is that the temperature could affect the shooting when the high temperatures and pressures of the rounds fire on cold steel. --.308win

that is true . it could also make the firing pin to be put understrees or even freze it and render it useless .but being that we dont know how long they were in their we cant be sureSimmons 8492

This part has always annoyed me, why doesn't he keep the guns with him so in case he actually needs them? It makes no sense and anyone that needs ice would become the proud owner of 2 new P18s.--FIVETWOSEVEN 20:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Heh, can you imagine? You bring the bucket of ice back to your room, try to stick the champagne in there, and for some reason it doesn't go in all the way. You reach in to shift around the ice, and TA DA! Brand spanking new, beautiful, P18. Leave a huge tip at the counter the next day... best stay in a hotel ever. --ManiacallyChallenged

Two P-18's actually! That'd be freaking sweet... --.308win

MC1, do you mean in regard to the guns or the ammunition? With regard to the guns, if the ice was frozen, it would have no effect on them at all. If low temperatures were an issue for firearms, how would Finnish campaigns and the Eastern Front been fought? But at VERY low temperatures, oils can freeze and grease turns into gum but you are talking about -50oC. If there was water in the ice, there are risks of condensation freezing or water in the barrels. With ammunition, the ignition rate of the primers and the burn rate of the powders can vary according to temperature. Among those who handload, it is well known that maximum safe loads for winter can become dangerous overloads in summer. Especially with many reloading powders available in the US. Mulwex ADI powders are temperature insensitive and this is not a problem with those powders. This, however, affects rifles more than pistols because rifles use 5-10x more powder than pistols (40-55 grains for standard rifle cartridges VS 4-8 grains for most pistol cartridges) and rifles operate at much higher chamber pressures. But -10oC for the icebox would be well within the pistol's and ammunition's operating tolerances, so it would have no effect on the pistols and minimal effect on the ammunition. Wraith

Doesn't have to be extremely cold to make a gun unreliable. I've seen a SIG P229 do this from being stored in a car overnight at around 10-20 degree weather. Wasn't the gun but the oil because I've shot that same gun on a few different occasions and it worked fine.--FIVETWOSEVEN 04:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)