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Talk:Strawberries in the Supermarket (Jagoda u supermarketu)
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The pistol, identified as Star 30, looks more like Zastava CZ99. Note the shape of the slide, serration and hammer. The revolver may be some Ruger model as it seems to have Ruger-style cylinder release. Maybe a Ruger GP100 but I'm not sure. And the sniper rifle looks very Heckler&Koch-ish. Greg-Z (talk) 15:41, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
- And the grenade. I guess it's a Yugoslavian grenade, maybe one of M50 models or M75. It's hard to say about the shape of the fuze that can help to identify the grenade. Maybe some other screenshot can help. Greg-Z (talk) 16:03, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
- And again the sniper rifle. After some more investigation I can make a guess: a Heckler & Koch MP5A2 (or a Heckler & Koch HK94) with sniper scope. Such guns are not unheard about (like this version) though the screen gun can be an airsoft one. Greg-Z (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
- The rifle is definitely an H&K, but it looks to have fair-sized (5.56) mag well. If it has a short barrel/forend it could be a Heckler & Koch HK53. Bear in mind you can certainly mount any optics, even larger ones, on pretty much any decently-sized shoulder gun. I've seen plenty of MP5s and other SMGs with older Night-Vision scopes that are indeed quite large (Rambo First Blood II and 1993's Sniper being examples to come to mind right away). StanTheMan (talk) 22:10, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
- I agree about the caliber but it seems to me that the gun has a fixed stock rather than a folding one. Greg-Z (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
- Definitely not an MP5 as it has a metal trigger pack. Could be a HK94 but the magazine well is way too small and the HK94 still has the sling hook here which the gun in the caps lacks. I would pretty much rule out the idea that it is a HK91 or a HK93 as these were US only weapons which are unlikely to appear in a European film like this. I think the US weapons also tended to have 0/1 selector marking as opposed to this which has an S visible. I cant quite tell if it is a SEF or just SF selector, but I think it is the latter which would make this either a HK41 or a HK43. Based on the size of the magazine well looking like a 5.56x45mm one, and the fact that it looks like there is only one pin for the stock, I am inclined to say it is an HK43. --commando552 (talk) 11:23, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
- Just to add as it got changed while I was writing that last comment, it definitely isn't an HK53 either. Firstly, the HK53 has a retractable stock and this has a fixed, and although this could be changed it is a strike against it. More definitively though, this has a metal trigger pack whilst all of the HK53s had a polymer trigger pack of one type or another. --commando552 (talk) 11:34, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
- Definitely not an MP5 as it has a metal trigger pack. Could be a HK94 but the magazine well is way too small and the HK94 still has the sling hook here which the gun in the caps lacks. I would pretty much rule out the idea that it is a HK91 or a HK93 as these were US only weapons which are unlikely to appear in a European film like this. I think the US weapons also tended to have 0/1 selector marking as opposed to this which has an S visible. I cant quite tell if it is a SEF or just SF selector, but I think it is the latter which would make this either a HK41 or a HK43. Based on the size of the magazine well looking like a 5.56x45mm one, and the fact that it looks like there is only one pin for the stock, I am inclined to say it is an HK43. --commando552 (talk) 11:23, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
- I agree about the caliber but it seems to me that the gun has a fixed stock rather than a folding one. Greg-Z (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
- The rifle is definitely an H&K, but it looks to have fair-sized (5.56) mag well. If it has a short barrel/forend it could be a Heckler & Koch HK53. Bear in mind you can certainly mount any optics, even larger ones, on pretty much any decently-sized shoulder gun. I've seen plenty of MP5s and other SMGs with older Night-Vision scopes that are indeed quite large (Rambo First Blood II and 1993's Sniper being examples to come to mind right away). StanTheMan (talk) 22:10, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
- And again the sniper rifle. After some more investigation I can make a guess: a Heckler & Koch MP5A2 (or a Heckler & Koch HK94) with sniper scope. Such guns are not unheard about (like this version) though the screen gun can be an airsoft one. Greg-Z (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
Looking it over again (it was just a quick glance prior), it indeed has a full stock, so not an HK53; That said, it indeed also has the metal lower, but also seems to have a three-position S-E-F selector so this might actually be an early-version HK33A2 - I'm pretty sure older HK33 variants had metal lowers akin to the older G3s. I agree about it not being a HK93, as indeed those are pretty much only seen in the US and AFAIK only have the 0/1 selectors. StanTheMan (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
- I did consider the HK33 and although I have heard that originally they had metal packs I had never seen a picture of one so assumed they were either incredibly rare or didn't exist. Now that I am home on a proper computer I rotated and brightened up the image and would agree that it looks like it probably has a SEF selector though (still cannot make out the bottom marking but the length of the arc implies a 3rd position). Did some digging and still couldn't find an image of one with a metal trigger pack, closest I came was that classic catalogue image of the HK33SG1:The movie gun has the cheek riser as well but that doesn't necessarily mean anything, however when I double checked the brightened up image I noticed this:Circled is what appears to be the setting trigger of a genuine SG1 trigger pack. As far as I know this is the first time that a confirmed genuine SG1 of either variant has appeared in anything. Looking into it, I think the reason that the SG1 used a metal trigger pack when the normal HK33s used a polymer one is that the HK33SG1 used the same trigger pack that was in the G3SG1 in order to get the same setting trigger to achieve the 1 pound pull. --commando552 (talk) 16:21, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
- Prodigious, C552. I have to concur with the findings here. I remembered seeing that image as well as a minor discussion about the merit of its inclusion (as that gun hadn't been seen in anything) - Guess two issues got solved at once here. Very good. StanTheMan (talk) 21:33, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
