Talk:Popeye Doyle

Photo

One of two photos that I've been able to locate from the movie. That's Ed O'Neill as Doyle on the left. Notice he's wearing the ubiquitous hat. --Jcordell 10:15, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

I found a few clips on Youtube. We might be able to get something off of that. --Funkychinaman 10:31, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

That would be great. I've never had much luck with getting screencaps off of Youtube. I probably should ask my teenage kids for help. Yes i have teenagers. That dates me doesn't it.--Jcordell 10:37, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

I got a few for you from the few snippets that they have. And yes, yes it does. ;) --Funkychinaman 10:39, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

I got five, all from the first 16 minutes. You'll see them in the upload log. --Funkychinaman 10:50, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Excellent. thanks. I always prefer screencaps. Even if there are just a few.--Jcordell 11:13, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

According to Fox Movie Channel, it'll be on a few more times in November. I can experiment with hooking up my capture device to my DVR. --Funkychinaman 11:40, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

That would be even better. I still use a VCR to record things from television. --Jcordell 17:21, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

NOOOOW you're dating yourself... ;) --Funkychinaman 17:53, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

LOL. I can do even better. While I do have a cell phone and most of the land line phones in our house are cordless (my parents bought one of the early ones in 1983) we purposefully installed two rotary phones. Why? Because when you lose the power they keep working and cell phone networks have been known to crash. The phones are great though. Both were made in 1971 and they're big old heavy black things. I love em. --Jcordell 18:01, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Just make sure you're not | renting those bad boys. I like old stuff too, especially those old phones that you could bludgeon people with. Would I pay twenty bucks a month for that privilege, no. But my taste in old stuff is reflected in my LP and gun collections. Saturday Night Fever and Enfield rifles. Where can you even buy blank video cassettes? --Funkychinaman 21:59, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Renting? No. Got one of the phones at an estate auction and found the other one at a yard sale. Target and Rite-Aid still sell blank VHS tapes and I believe Walgreens. However a couple weeks ago my wife was at another estate auction and bought sixty brand new VHS tapes still in the wrappers for $20.00 so we're good. I also have a fondness for old firearms - in particular S&W and Colt revolvers. Especially Smith & Wesson. It's not that I don't like Colt revolvers, but they tend to command higher prices on the second hand market. I am also fond of old books, old movies and old gun magazines (Guns & Ammo ect.). --Jcordell 22:11, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

Screenshots

Fox Movie Channel ran it last week, and I was able to record it on my DVR. I'm still working the kinks out of my screencap system. Stay tuned. --Funkychinaman 01:15, 8 November 2011 (CST)

Excellent. --Jcordell 08:03, 8 November 2011 (CST)

Second attempt at a rip worked beautifully. Caps should be easy at this point. The only problem is that the file is GI-NORMOUS. I have to get my DVR replaced, so I'll be watching as much of the stuff on there as I can, and coupled with me being away for the weekend, I hope to have caps by late next week. --Funkychinaman 09:36, 9 November 2011 (CST)

Technology. It makes our life easier. Sometimes. Once in awhile. Now and again........--Jcordell 09:40, 9 November 2011 (CST)

I've had the thing for four years. It's a shame, I have three years worth of stuff from Turner Classic Movies on them. It's really hard to get worked up to watch F.W. Murnau's Sunshine or Fritz Lang's Metropolis. BTW, I flipped through Popeye Doyle, wow, it was violent. I don't know if it would've worked as a TV series. Popeye Doyle is a gritty character, and I don't know if network TV would've done it justice. It'd definitely work as a show on FX or HBO today though. --Funkychinaman 09:52, 9 November 2011 (CST)

I agree. Which is probably why the series wasn't purchased back then. Just a little too gritty for 1986. In 2011 it would probably fly, but most people don't want to watch gritty cops shows set in New York anymore. They need zombies (I like zombies) and lots of special effects. --Jcordell 10:09, 9 November 2011 (CST)

Unknown Revolver

"Deli Bandit #1" (Gary Tacon) carries an unknown revolver. Old SW Model 10?

Classification

I'm a little torn as to how to classify this on actor pages. On the one hand, it's a TV movie, thus long form, and under film, but on the other, it's only a TV movie because it was an unsold pilot, made to TV standards. If it had gotten bought, it'd just be a two-parter. --Funkychinaman 22:17, 16 November 2011 (CST)

Good work. Thanks for doing that. As far as classification. Well it was a pilot but it aired as a tv movie so i say leave it as a movie. --Jcordell 16:45, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Moved from main page

Since I've finally watched the whole movie, I got better caps, so I'm moving some of the lower quality caps over to the discussion page. --Funkychinaman 19:20, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Popeye Doyle (Ed O'Neill) with his Smith & Wesson Model 36.

Det. Parese (Matthew Laurence) with his Smith & Wesson Model 36.

"Deli Bandit #2" (Phil Neilson) reloads during the shoot-out.

Parese's sidearm

If Parese had a S&W36 in the beginning. I think it was only because he was undercover. See below. --Funkychinaman 19:19, 17 November 2011 (CST)

This shot of Parese's shoulder holster would indicate that he carried a larger gun.

Probably the best shot I could get of his regular sidearm, as he's falling forward. The barrel appears to be at least four inches, and the sights appear to be adjustable.

A quick glimpse of it. You can make out the underlug a bit.

A quick silhouette of the underlug.

A quick shot of the bottom of the grip as it sits in his shoulder holster.

It looks like it "could" be a Smith & Wesson Model 15. From a technical standpoint that would be incorrect. The N.Y.P.D. didn't authorize revolvers with target sights except in a few rare circumstances. Most notably the famous Stakeout Unit that Jim Cirillo was on in the late sixties/early seventies and possibly some officers working narcotics. It's my understanding that sometimes those detectives were allowed some leeway as well. There is really no point here to be made. Just wasting time. --Jcordell 09:10, 18 November 2011 (CST)

I've been poring over this thing like the Zapruder film, going frame by frame. I think Parese was carrying his normal piece during that first chase. It looked like maybe a S&W 27/28, 4 in barrel. What does the approved list say? Anything fit? --Funkychinaman 15:54, 18 November 2011 (CST)

In the mid-eighties ,when the pilot was filmed, N.Y.P.D. authorized it's officers to carry the Smith & Wesson Model 64 DAO (no single action, hammer shaved) with 2", 3" and 4" barrel and either the round butt or square butt configuration. Officers were also authorized to carry the Ruger Police Six with 4" barrel and DAO. N.Y.P.D. were also authorized to carry either the Smith & Wesson Model 60 and/or the Model 36. Older officers who had been carrying the Colt Official Police, Colt Detective Special and the Smith & Wesson Model 10 for several years were still authorized to carry them. N.Y.P.D. does not "issue" handguns. Instead the agency authorizes certain models and officers can purchase one of those models. The department also authorizes a select number of handguns for off-duty/backup. Most officers purchase their sidearms from the department and get a discount as a result. Unless it's changed it's my understanding that when an officer leaves/quits (or retires) he/she keep their handguns. I've read that some officers will just leave their handguns in their lockers when they hang up their gun-belt (so to speak). There is exactly one gunstore still in business in New York City and many former N.Y.P.D. cops will sell their handguns to that business which in turn sells them to dealers across the country. A local pawnshop just had a N.Y.P.D. S&W Model 64 with a 4" barrel and a round-butt for sale. I didn't have the funds until today, but it had already sold. I live in Idaho so it gives you an idea about how the NYPD handguns can really get around. It's my understanding that .357 magnum revolvers were never officially authorized. I've read that some of the detectives on the Stakeout Unit would carry 1911 governments and Browning Hi-Powers, but most of then carried their 38 Special duty revolvers and 12 gauge shotguns. --Jcordell 17:34, 18 November 2011 (CST)

Ewww, DAO revolvers. Anyway, those are all the shots I got. He only draws his piece in two scenes, the beginning chase and the fake tip. When he and Doyle go up the stairs to the fake tip apartment, he pulls it out and cocks it, but it's too dark. Here's what we definitely know: A) 4 in barrel, B) adjustable sights, C) "big" grips, D) underlug. I can just "guess" S&W 27 and wait for someone to correct me, but then again I think we're the only two people here who have seen it. --Funkychinaman 17:57, 18 November 2011 (CST)

Yeah I think you're right. For what it's worth that N.Y.P.D. Model 64 that was at my local shop had a really nice action. No idea if it was from being used or if somebody had worked on it. --Jcordell 06:14, 19 November 2011 (CST)

This cast

This has got to be one of the weirdest casts I've ever seen. I did actor pages for two of them, and I'm contemplating doing a third. You've got Al Bundy, a guy who plays Middle Eastern terrorists AND gorillas, a professional ballet dancer, and a former SNL featured player who is now a basketball analyst. And yet they all work in their roles. Crazy... --Funkychinaman 11:49, 19 November 2011 (CST)

Who is the former SNL player turned basketball analyst? Did you like the trivia about Kadi's grandfather having served with T.E. Lawrence in World War One? It is an interesting cast. Very eclectic. --Jcordell 15:43, 19 November 2011 (CST)

It's Matthew Laurance. He was a featured player in Season 6, apparently one of the worst ever. He did Duke basketball analysis, and now apparently does it for WNBA games. My personal policy regarding actor pages is a minimum of two guns or two movies, so I scoured his IMDb page looking for stuff we may have missed, but couldn't find anything. As for Kadi, I actually took an extra screencap just for his actor page. The suit thing blew my mind. I guess suit performers might be a dying breed now that mo-cap is around. --Funkychinaman 20:59, 19 November 2011 (CST)

Just us

You know considering it's just been the two of us on this page we've generated alot of activity. I don't know about you, but I'm married with kids so my life isn't my own anymore. Which is why I dedicate so much of my precious spare time to imdb. What else am I going to do with it? I sure in hell can't date. LOL.--Jcordell 15:46, 19 November 2011 (CST)

Like I said, I think we're the only two people here who have seen this movie. I liked French Connection I and II, and those shots of NYC in the 80's made me nostalgic. I also appreciated the technical challenge of getting screencaps. I also wanted to make this page as extensive as possible, since the prospect of new screencaps is little to none unless it gets a home video release. I hope this makes it to release one of these days. It may not be worthy of it's own release, but at least as a part of a French Connection combo pack, or at the very least, a special feature on a French Connection I Blu-ray. --Funkychinaman 20:59, 19 November 2011 (CST)

That's a good idea. One of those bonus features that they like to add on.--Jcordell 13:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

Maybe it's a rights issue that's holding it up. I know that's the case with the old Batman series. (Fox owns the show, Disney aired it, WB owns Batman.) In this case, Fox owns the series, and presumably the character, while NBC/Universal paid for it. --Funkychinaman 13:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)

Weird cover

Since this page never got a real home video release, it never got a real cover image, so I went on Google to see if anything had changed in the time since I finished the page. I came across this image below. The aspect ratio suggests a VHS cover, the image and information matches the film, but IMDB doesn't have "Limited Endurance" as an alternate title. "Limited Endurance" doesn't really make sense either. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:33, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

That's weird. I say stick with what we've got. --Jcordell (talk) 17:16, 12 April 2013 (EDT)