Talk:MacGyver (1985 TV Series)
Politics & IMFDB
May I ask why we are giving a page to one of the most anti gun shows in history?
- Because this is not a political site. The political stance of a movie on gun use do not concern us; indeed, given how anti-gun Hollywood tends to be, this site would probably not exist at all if politics factored in. -MT2008 13:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Maybe a disclaimer that we dissaprove of the shows message would be good like was done on the page Redacted.
the show was idioticly anti gun, but
Was there an ongoing overt political message? I didn't watch the show on a regular basis, I thought it was really stupid, but I did watch the series finale and the entire thing with idiot boy MacGyver taking out a bad guy, kicking away the gun but not taking it or throwing it into a lake or something and then having the guy get up and shoot MacGyver's friends was inexcusable in its stupidity. If there was ALWAYS an on going 'message' about how guns were evil, then we 'could' put up a disclaimer, but I don't think it was that obvious to the casual viewer. As per myself, I always thought of it as trying to force the show to come up with weird and nonstandard solutions to problems. Richard Dean Anderson DID use tons of guns later in Stargate SG1 and he used them correctly! (i.e. when he shot bad guys, he shoots to kill). MoviePropMaster2008 16:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
If I remember correctly he handled them well too. I remember he had good trigger discipline in at least one episode because I remember his finger being rested on the trigger guard on an MP5 in at least one scene on a Goa'uld mothership. --cool-breeze 19:31, 11 July 2011 (CDT)
Richard Dean Anderson
The reason for all the anti-gun BS is Richard Dean Anderson. This jackass is on the board of directors of "Handgun Control, Inc" and insisted after the pilot that his character never use a gun.
Hi Mr Anon first, sign your posts! Second, get your facts straight. The series was originally developed with the character not using guns because they wanted to create a character who would use his mind to get out of situations instead of just shooting someone. They wanted something different than the tons of other spy shows that were out there and MacGyver delivered. The series wasn't anti gun, anything that went on behind the scenes doesn't matter when it comes to the actual show. --cool-breeze 05:30, 27 June 2011 (CDT)
Politics and the movie/television Industry
I agree with MT2008. Everyone knows that Hollywood (and probably many of the other movie folks in other countries) tend to be rather knee jerk in their left leaning politics. Especially when it comes to firearms. But IMFDB is about firearms in movies,television etc. If we used political beliefs as the criteria most of the actor pages that I've created over the past two years would be gone. The fact of the matter is that MacGyver was on television for many years and firearms were used. Yes in the real world MacGyver would be dead. But then so would James Bond and all of the heroic characters that Bruce Willis has played over the years.
- For the record, Bruce Willis is a proud gun owner and gun rights supporder
The discussion page is for just that. We need to keep the actual page free of political content. IMFDB is a reference site. Not an extension of the NRA or GOA. And I am a card carrying member of the NRA incidentally. --Jcordell 03:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
- We did the disclaimer on the Redacted page because we have tons of veterans (who deserve our respect) who were truly offended by that movie. It was a rare instance, and in only rare and outrageous instances will we do that. MacGyver is idiotic, but seriously, the politics were only really present behind the scenes, not on the screen. MoviePropMaster2008 03:52, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, I watched the show growing up, the only reason MacGyver doesn't use a gun was due to his tramatic childhood of accidently shooting one of his best friends. Many of MacGyver's close friends and allies (many are government agents or police officers) used guns and MacGyver never make any objection. Only when civilians without training picked up guns dropped by the bad guys when MacGyver stopped them.--Wildcards 19:06, 11 July 2011 (CDT)