Talk:The Democratic Terrorist

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Boot Knife

Carl always carries a boot knife around his right ankle, resembling a Gerber Mark I. He uses it several times in the movie, from mundane tasks like opening beer bottles to other tasks like slitting throats.

Monika's gun

There are conflicting options. What do you guys think?

Discussion

Remake?

I know this is based on a novel, and I never read that novel, but this movie pretty much has the same plot as The Final Option. I don't know if it's deliberate or just a coincidence. Both feature seemingly disgraced agents (who train with elite units) tasked with infiltrating leftist movements which ends with a massive assault by the said elite units. --Funkychinaman 09:23, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

Monika's Pistol

I really think Monica had a P230, not a PPK. The barrel is too long. --Funkychinaman 11:38, 13 July 2012 (CDT)

Well I don't agree but I won't reedo it again until I can find better screencaps --Thejoker

The barrel length is definitely too long for a PPK, but you may be onto something regarding the hammer. I'm going to split the difference. --Funkychinaman 12:40, 13 July 2012 (CDT)

The first image enhanced.

Thanks for splitting the difference, but I still think its either a PPK or a PPK/S. Of course I could be wrong. --Thejoker

This was filmed in Europe. Since the PPK/S was only created to meet US legal standards, I don't know if they were ever sold in Europe. --Funkychinaman 13:13, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

It's definitely a P230. Look at the smooth curve running from the muzzle to the bottom of the trigger guard. It's not as straight of a curve on the PP. --Funkychinaman 13:13, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

Walther PP Pistol - .32 ACP.

SIG-Sauer P230 - .380 ACP (9mm kurz)

I dont see the curve running from the muzzle to the triggerguard to be as smooth as that of a P230, but it bears a resemblance to the slightly three stepped curve of a PPK. It might just be the bad resolution and quallity of the picture though. And a PP is way to long to be that gun in the picture. You might be right about it being a SIG I can't just see it compleatly, sorry. I hope some of us can obtain better resolution screencaps so we can see the details, specially the slide serrations. And as I live in Sweden were the movie was partially made, produced and directed, I may have a better luck at finding it, so I'll see what I can do. --Thejoker

Well, good luck then. I got the caps off of Netflix, and the entire film is available legally on Youtube, so I don't know if any company has any incentive to remaster it or create a hi-def version. --Funkychinaman 17:21, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

And since you're looking, want to do pages on the two Carl Hamilton films that proceeded this one? The only Carl Hamilton movies that are available to me here in the US are this one and one starring Peter Stomare. (I intend to do that one later.) --Funkychinaman 02:07, 15 July 2012 (CDT)

Okey, yeah absolutly! I will rent the movies as soon as I can and screencap them.

Sorry if I cant let it go but I still think Monika uses a Walther PPK and not a SIG-Sauer P230 during the bankrobbery. I've put my explanations and reasons of my thoughts under the images, and bear in mind that the movie is not in HD and that the details of the gun are less noticable because of the image quallity and blurr.

Walther PPK chambered in 7.65mm Browning (.32 ACP)

Monika with a gun that looks very much like a Walther PPK. Distance and shape from the muzzle to the triggerguard is more similar to that of the PPK.

In this picture you can notice a hump at the end of the beavertail, created by the cocked hammer, which wouldn't be as noticable on a SIG-Sauer P230 because the hammer spurr is smaller and less noticable than that of a PPK.

Walther PPK chambered in 7.65mm Browning (.32 ACP)

Walther PPK with cocked hammer - 7.65 mm Browning aka .32 ACP.

In this picture the curve running from the muzzle to the triggerguard actually appear more smooth like on a SIG, but the slide serrations does not go all the way up to the ejection port and the serrated section of the slide is shorter, like a Walther, than the serrated part of a SIG.

In this picture you can see that the curve appear less slanted and that the transition to the triggerguard is not as smooth than on a SIG, also the slide serrations are straight like on a PPK and not slanted like on a SIG, and the serrations don't go all the way up to the ejection port, there is instead some space between were the serrations end and were the ejection port begins, the serrated section of the slide is also shorter, like on a Walther, than the serrated section on a SIG.

In this picture, even though its kinda blurry, you can spot the cocked hammer that sitts out more than the hammaer on a SIG-Sauer P230.

Hope I've made myself understandable, its hard to explain what I mean as I can't point out things with my fingers and have to wright my observations down instead. Thejoker (talk) 16:25, 11 December 2012 (EST)

Here I have tried to point out the details of the bank robbery gun, that I think is a PPK, that I have spotted. I hope you can see them, it's the best I can do with what I have.

Blue lines show from were to were the slide serrations runs on the slide, and the green lines show from were to were the ejection port runs.

Blue lines show from were to were the slide serrations runs on the slide.

Red lines show were the hammer spurr is.

You know, the easy thing to do would've been to simply point out the safety/decocker on the left side of the slide, but I guess you can't see it either. --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2012 (EST)

I can't and couldn't see a safety/dekocker clearly, but if I watch closely on the picture above there might be an allusion to it there, but I can't be shure. So what do you say? Thejoker (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2012 (EST)

Blue lines show from were to were the slide serrations runs on the slide and green lines show from were to were the ejection port is located on the slide.

Same as the picture above but here it is easier to spot were the slide serrations runs and were the ejection port is lokated.

Red lines shows were the hammer spurr is.

Here is the details pointed out of the gun I'm sertain is a Walther P5 that she has at the end of the movie.

As explained by the picture, the green line leads to the muzzle of the barrel and the two red lines show were the groove at the front of the slide runs.

Green line leads to the muzzle of the barrel also circled in green, red lines show were the groove at the front of the slide runs.

I've done what I can to point out what I mean, I hope it's clear what I mean. Thejoker (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2012 (EST)

Book trivia

Is there any point or need for it? Aside from being terribly written IMO, this is a MOVIE firearms database. It's non-visual media.--Mandolin (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2012 (EST)

I don't think that should matter as long as it stays on the discussion page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:33, 11 December 2012 (EST)

I saw that someone had written what firearms were described in the novel of this movie (Talk:No Country for Old Men) so that you could compare the novels display of firearms to the movies, so I thought I could do the same, also I've only translated the exact text from the book to english and put it up instead of reformulate it because I thought some of the discriptions in the novel were vauge and not easy to reformulate, thats why it is written the way it is. Thejoker (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2012 (EST)

All Carl Hamilton Movies To Date

There is to date a total of six full length filmations starring Carl Hamilton, and one seven't coming this fall. And two one hour TV movies. He was also featured in one episode of another tv-series, though he appeared only in that one episode.

Codename Coq Rouge (Täcknamn Coq Rouge), movie from 1989 - starring Stellan Skarsgård.

Hearing, The (Förhöret), one hour TV movie from 1989 (based on pages 407-434 in "Fiendens Fiende") - starring Stellan Skarsgård.

Enemy's Enemy (Fiendens Fiende), 8 episode televisionseries from 1990 - starring Peter Haber.

Evening Papers (Kvällspressen), 6 episode televisionseries from 1992 where Carl Hamilton was featured in the last episode called "Falska Bevis" ("False Evidence")

wich story was taken from the book "Den hedervärde Mördaren" ("The Honorable Murderer") - starring Peter Haber.

The Democratic Terrorist (Den Demokratiske Terroristen), movie from 1992 - starring Stellan Skarsgård.

Vendetta, featured as both a movie from 1995, and a 6 episode televisionseries from 1996 - starring Stefan Sauk.

Tribunal, one hour TV movie from 1995 (based on pages 264-304 in "En Medborgare Höjd Över Varje Misstanke") - starring Stefan Sauk.

Hamilton, featured as both a movie from 1997, and a 4 episode televisionseries from 2001 (based on the books "Ingen Mans Land" and "Den Enda Segern") - starring Peter Stormare.

Hamilton - In The Nations Interest (I Nationens Intresse), movie from 2012 (The story in the movie is not like in the book, but it does have some features from it) - starring Mikael Persbrandt.

All of these filmations, excluding the TV short movie "Tribunal" and the televisionseries versions of "Vendetta" and "Hamilton", have been released to DVD as to date. --Thejoker

Netflix has the Peter Stormare one. It's the movie version, and it's dubbed (ugh...) --Funkychinaman 14:09, 15 July 2012 (CDT)