Talk:Dawn of the Dead (1978)
Several Unidentified Firearms
There are a Multitude of Firearms I cannot identify, if you can identify them feel free to contribute.
This one, handled by the SWAT fellow, appears to be a Mossberg 390 bolt action shotgun. A pretty common gun at that time. The barrel size is pretty large so it's at least a 20 gauge. I'm not comfortable adding entirely new items anymore so I'm not adding it. Anyone that wants to is welcome to. :Krispic
The service revolver carried by S.W.A.T. officers Peter and Roger is an FIE Titan Tiger .38 revolver
Gun store in a shopping Mall
I know that we have NO gun stores in shopping malls in California. The politically correct crowd would HAVE A COW! Imagine a gun store (or a strip club) in a shopping mall, next to the Toy Store and the GAP clothes store. I have no problem with it, but I know other people would . Does anyone know of ANY current Day shopping mall (not a strip mall) but a big Mall with major chains in it that has a GUN STORE inside? Just curious if they're now extinct. MoviePropMaster2008 05:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Even the gun store in mall was faked for this film. I think they jumped off ladders so it would appear they were coming from the ceiling or something to that affect. The gun store was either close to the mall or George's (the director) house I can't remember. In the dvd commentary they said it was a bit have a stretch having it the mall. But they needed guns. A sporting goods store like Bass Pro would have been more plausible.--Predator20 05:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
When I went to visit my sister in Georgia we went to a mall that had a Bass Pro Shops outdoor World in it. I'm not sure if Bass Pro had stores in the 1970s or not. I think the mall is just called Savannah Mall, but I'm not sure. They had GAP, Dillard's, Victoria's Secret, Bath n Body, Target, and so on. It was a really big mall. The Bass Pro was loaded with firearms and ammunition. The ammunition was actually just sitting on shelves where you could pick them up and look through them, something I had never seen before. If I had to guess Id say over 100 Rifles and Shotguns and 50+ pistols. If I ruled the world gun stores and strip clubs would be mandatory in every mall. :sighs: If only, ... if only. --Mauser 17:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Actually in Honolulu, a while ago (I'm not sure if it's the case any more) there was a Pure Platinum Strip club (all nude) that was in an outdoor mall near downtown. People were always taking pictures of the very fancy front door (It made no mention of 'Gentlemen's club" or "strip club" it was just a fancy wooden frame and foyer with two large brushed silver doors with the embossed logo "Pure Platinum". But it was right next to the Kay-Bee Toy's shop at the time so what's what people were photographing, the front of a strip club next to a toy store. LOL! MoviePropMaster2008 22:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- They have a Mall w/ a Bass Pro Shop in it somewhere around Houston-S&Wshooter 21:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- I work for Bass Pro. That's the one in either Katy or Pearland. And in Springfield, Missouri, our mall has an MC Sports inside, which sells a small number of handguns and rifles. We also used to have a mall with a Wal-Mart in it; I don't remember if they had guns or not, though.--That's the Way It's Done (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2014 (EDT)
- A strip club in a mall? Well, it gives you something to do while your wife/ girlfriend is shopping-S&Wshooter 00:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- There is a bass pro in Orlando with loads o' guns and my mall has a tattoo parlor in it
Screencaps look good.
Good job on the screencaps. A classic horror movie deserves a snazzy looking page of its own. --Jcordell 01:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Fran acting strange.
well according to Romero in the voice over narrative the whole scene was something of an improv and almost landed on the cutting room floor. But they decided to leave it in at the last minute. From what I gathered from the voice over it was showing how the survivors were starting to crack up even with all the goodies in the mall. Fran has gone all out with the make up and "stuff" but isn't secure and still needs a gun.Great material wealth has not made her happy. Twenty years ago when I was a college student I would have been able to explain the deeper meaning to the whole scene. I have no doubt. But I'm not nearly as cool anymore so just go with the idea that everything is getting to her. --Jcordell 22:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Nope she's not acting strange. She's BORED. I always viewed the scene is that she is bored, sitting in a mall with tons of cosmetics, so she plays 'dress up' and does this completely over the top makeup like a gangster's moll, except in a cartoon like fashion. She "play acts" a vamp, or femme fatale precisely because she is bored out of her mind. Nothing strange at all here. I always wondered what I would do to kill all those hours in the mall every day, day after day. MoviePropMaster2008 22:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Sure that works as well. --Jcordell 22:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
This was also in the days BEFORE VCRs, Video tape, DVDs, The Internet. They can't watch movies on command. They can't surf the net. Wow. They only had .... BOOKS to entertain themselves with, in addition to the video arcade with those old 1970s vintage games.MoviePropMaster2008 02:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah that was something that dawned on me a few weeks ago when I watched this movie for the first time in fifteen years. Might have been tempting to just climb up on the rooftop and snipe some zombies or zeds I believe they're called. --Jcordell 03:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
- In this situation I would just chill in Walden Books or Gamestop all day while blaring Sabaton from one of the many stereo systems that can be found in RadioShack- S&Wshooter 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- I hope you mean in a similar situation today. Because there were no GAMESTOPS in 1978. Also Radio shack didn't have a lot of high end stereo systems. In 1978 they had dedicated Stereo stores. Which they had in the mall since we saw the 'state of the art' record players in their hideout along with a bunch of 33 1/3 vinyls. MoviePropMaster2008 23:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Did anyone notice the 3/4" video player wired up to the television after they had turned the upstairs apartment into their pad? Back then they probably had seven or eight movies to watch - if that many. But it was very high-tech in 1978. --Jcordell 23:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
It is either a M14, or M34 Mauser pocket pistol. If it has a straight grip it is a M14, if it has a 'hump' grip, then it is a M34. I can't see the grip well enough to tell which it is.
Ruger single six
Additional Info: Steven's pistol, found in the desk of the maintenance office, is certainly either a Ruger Blackhawk or a Ruger Single Six. The photo above, though it shows a single action revolver, is not a Ruger Blackhawk or a single six which has a different profile from what is portrayed above. -Yojimbo
Not really. The Ruger guns don't have cheap pinned barrels. The one in the movie does, as is obvious by the pics posted. The Ruger guns also have separate grip frames behind the hammer housing. The one in the movie has a one piece frame as is, again, obvious by the pics posted. The Ruger Single Six, as anyone who has owned one can tell you, is quickly identified by the location of the cylinder stop notches on the cylinder. Ruger Single Six notches are almost halfway down the cyclinder...the one that in the movie doesn't. The Ruger guns also always have squared off trigger guards....the one in the movie is clearly egg-shaped.
That gun found in the drawer is clearly a Rohm RG66, *not* a Ruger. In the pic labeled "ejects a spent round", it's obvious. Cheap pinned barrel, one piece frame, cylinder stop notches, horrible *turd brown* plastic grips....all are Rohm RG66 characteristics. In the pic "finds the single six" in the drawer, the RG logo is visible in a circle on the grip panel. That's not a Ruger crest. (krispic)
https://www.lipseys.com/eImages/RUS465N-50.jpg <-- Ruger Blackhawk .22
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_70102.jpg <--- Ruger Single-Six .22
http://randkl.com/pix976191766.jpg <--- Rohm RG66 This is the gun in question. (Richard)
- Being that this film managed to find the most OBSCURE piece of crap guns in the universe and put them all in one movie (Oh thank you "Plastics Factory!" ;) ) I don't doubt it. I have never seen a greater collection of horrible or cheap or obscure weapons in one film .... ever. MoviePropMaster2008 20:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I seriously don't believe the revolver to be a Ruger of any sort. The ammunition is clearly .22 Magnum, but the Magnum cylinder on a Single Six is solid rather than fluted, in the movie you can see the cylinder is fluted. Plus in the scene where Stephen is reloading his gun you can see the hammer is cocked back to the first click. New Model single action revolvers made by Ruger don't have this loading method anymore, and it doesn't look at all like an Old Model. (Ballistics Expert2)
- That's not an Ithaca 37 in the green circle. Look carefully at the forearm and pump mechanism. MPM20008
Moved from main page, it belongs here..
- I had it down originally as an Ithaca 37 but MPM2008 said that it is not an Ithaca 37 due to the type of pump grip. --AdAstra2009 16:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
The Browning BPS is a possibility. But I don't know if it was in production at the time.
- I agree that is a Ithaca Model 37 Deerslayer as it is exactly like the one I have still new in the box. - Phoenixent 17:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Alright then, it's settles, it is an Ithaca 37, most likely a Deerslayer, but upon recent googling, I have found other Ithacas without the standard pump grip. RedJedRevolver
One of the bikers who invade the mall is using a Thompson submachine gun with the fifty round drum magazine and the forward pistol grip.Possibly that biker is played by Tom Savini, special effect wizard on the movie. Nah,Tom Savini played "Blades", the biker with the machete,cutlass,and several other knives(including a switchblade comb!).
CORRECTION: The Thompson wielding biker was played by Larry Varia, and was not Tom Savini as was pointed out. Larry Varia recently passed away (2008) and now that this entry has been corrected perhaps his soul can now rest in peace. -Yojimbo
As of December 2008, Thompson used by Varia in DOTD was in still in the posession of Gary Zeller, special effects coordinator for DOTD 1978. Would have been nice, though, if it had been buried with him! :) -Yojimbo
The bikers name is actually Larry Vaira. -SBG
- Keeping with the theme of .22 copies, maybe it's a Herters SA22, which is a pretty good .22 copy of the Colt Single Action Army. I have one that looks very similar, but I can't find it at the moment and it doesn't work.-protoAuthor
- Wait, you actually LOST one of your guns? That's not very responsible-S&Wshooter 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, never got it. My grandfather left it to me, and my father was going to keep it until I turned 18, which was in April, and we moved, and it's probably in storage.-protoAuthor
in the fourth pic of the S&M916 i can see that the revolver looks a little bit different to the FIE that they use Has Someone else notice this (Dillinger)
- Yeah, I noticed it too. It's probably that .22 revolver that Steven used. --AdAstra2009 19:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeppers. It's definitely a single action cowboy gun. Ejector rod housing is obvious. Could be the Rohm that Steven finds in the drawer later but the grips look like they may be actual wood. Steven's gun is cheapo plastic. I'll see if I can get another screen cap. (Krispic Dec 31st, 2009)
this is the weirdest selection of weapons ive ever seen. Some ive never seen before espesially the m16 varient and the rifles seen on the gun store display.
- That's because this movie is ultra-low budget. Hence the .22 caliber guns.-Oliveira 18:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I actually liked it. How many of us actually own an arsenal of four AR-15s, four Remington 870 riot guns, four Sig P229's, two Remington 700 sniper rifles and two M-79 grenade launchers? Most gun owners have a hodge podge of firearms. Everything from 22 rifles to a 44/40 single action Ruger Blackhawk. --Jcordell 19:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Um. I do. Way more than you listed! ;) LOL! MoviePropMaster2008 05:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes but most of us are just civilians. Lucky dog. --Jcordell 21:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- That still doesn't explain the civilian guns in the hands of the SWAT officers and Army Soldiers.-Oliveira 20:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
What civilian guns? The FIE revolvers? Like Oliveira pointed out the movie had a low budget and the FIE revolvers were cheap.It appears that all the National guardsmen are equipped with M16's or at least the 22LR replicas. The civilans with them are carrying their own firearms.Wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the locals/extras provided their own. I'm not following you about civilan firearms. I'm a cop and I carry a GLOCK 19, GLOCK 26 and a Remington 870. Technically those are all civilan guns since anyone who is a citizen of the U.S.A., not a convicted felon or has been arrested in past for domestic violence can purchase any of those.I guess I'm not following your line of thought. --Jcordell 20:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)-
- Sorry Cordell, bad wording on my part. What i mean is the .22 replicas.-Oliveira 20:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay I understand. Well I would imagine that the M16/22 replicas were probably a whole lot cheaper to rent. Not sure how easy it was to rent M16 rifles in 1977 either. The rifle was still pretty new and some Army National guard units had only recieved their M16's a few years earlier.I've seen photos of National guard units on riot control duty in the late sixties and early seventies carrying M1 Garands and M14's. The Vietnam war really slowed down the updating of small arms for the National guard.M16's might have been pretty hard to get and I would imagine a film company would pay a fair amount. The original DOTD was a low budget movie. Colt was making the SP 101 (civilian version minus the forward bolt assist) but they were fairly pricey as well. So the production went with the cheaper 22 versions. It's all about money.--Jcordell 20:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- As was noted on the main page (and in the movie credits) the "Armorers" for the movie was a Pennsylvania firm called "The Plastics Factory". Ah right. I suppose that's the best you could get in Pennsylvania in 1978! If this were filmed in California it would be a completely different story. There are TONS more dedicated armorers in California at the time, the number would peak by the early 1990s and plummet today due to runaway production and ridiculous gun restrictions. But I always wondered why they had so many .22LR guns, or why the 'gun store' had so few autoloaders. MoviePropMaster2008 05:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I've read that the gunstore they filmed in was real. So your observation is interesting. Perhaps there just wasn't as much interest in semi-autos in the late seventies. I have a few back issues of Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times and American Rifleman. They date from 78, 79 and 81. Lots of articles about revolvers, bolt action rifles and shotguns, but not a whole lot on semi-autos of any type. Even semi-auto hunting shotguns. Not a whole lot about the use of firearms for self-defense either. Mostly the focus is real heavy on hunting, target shooting and other sports like skeet.I've read other back issues from the forties and fifties in the past and they were the same way. Many of the articles were more focused on firearms as a hobby instead of a weapon. In my opinion the change probably began in the late seventies with magazines like Soldier of Fortune and the growing popularity of military style firearms in the 80's. Possibly the survivalist movement contributed to that? Anyway I suspect that the gunstore is an accurate depiction of what you would have found in any gunstore in the United States in the late seventies. --Jcordell 16:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- Now I don't know what agreement they had with the gun store, but I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain to the lay public about the realities of filming a movie. I've had to set dress several 'gun stores' with my own rental guns. Why? Gun stores are in the business of SELLING guns, not loaning or renting them to movie productions. They may allow them to be photographed on the racks or perhaps handled a 'little bit' by actors, but when you see them being used by ACTORS in sequences OUTSIDE of the gun store, no way those are just borrowed from a Retail outlet. I'm not saying it's impossible that some gun store owner by be extra nice to a production and LOAN/RENT them his sitting inventory. It may have happened in the past. But it's the exception, not the rule. As for set dressing 'gun stores', usually the weapons that are handled by ANY actor needs a wrangler or armorer on set to ensure gun safety. They also are usually locked up or secured after the actor touches them and the camera is not rolling. This entire situation becomes muddy when the gun belongs in the actual case being filmed. That is probably why we see so many more large calibered handguns in the actual REAL gun store, but the characters NEVER use them in the film to kill zombies. The 'used' guns are drawn from the "Plastics Factory" Armory or prop inventory, and apparently all they got are .22s (or cheap FIE revolvers or S&W Shotguns). I would be willing to bet that the .300 Savage 99 that Ken Foree uses was a personal piece owned by someone. MoviePropMaster2008 22:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. If the Savage 99 was owned by somebody who "loaned" it then then you just know the Thompson smg was owned by somebody as well. I wonder about the scene where the Rednecks and the national guard are drinking beer and shooting zombies. Supposedly the Pennsylvania NAtional Guard helped out which would explain some of the hardware. You figure the Rednecks brough their own firearms? Looks like they might have. --Jcordell 22:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Well since the M1928 Thompson SMG is still in the possession of Gary Zeller (stunt coordinator) (see other comment higher up on this same page), one could assume it was a personally owned Class III gun. But things were WAY different in the 1970s. People who are grandfathered in can get and keep a lot of stuff that younger guys today can't due to the constantly changing rules of our wonderful ATF. :) MoviePropMaster2008 01:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Sort of off track here. As much as I would get a real kick out of owning a Carl Gustav Model 1954, MP 40 or a Model 1928 Thompson I don't think I could afford to shoot them more than once or twice a year.But it would be great to have one of those in my safe. And that's why I collect older Smith & Wesson revolvers. Thye might cost me six or seven hundred dollars but at least I can shoot 38 special out of them a few at a time. Oh well. --Jcordell 04:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah. The Third movie had better gun selection.-Oliveira 21:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
[moved from main] --AdAstra2009 18:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
just putting this out there: it's not a 1908, the front end is too thin. I wanna say it's another Colt Pocket Pistol from the same era, but I don't know which. (Fabrique Darmes De-Guerre 32 ACP looks like to me. The FN grips and all.) My wife just pointed out something I think all of us missed on that little auto right of the Derringer....it's actually smaller than the Derringer. It's not the FN I figured.----
Ok, you guys ready for this??? I found it! An Astra Firecat. http://www.asamnet.de/~ehrenred/waffen/images/20-04-04/w3852.jpg If you look closely in the screen cap, you can make out the text for "firecat" across the base of the grip panel. Now how's *that* for obscure???? If someone would be so kind as to grab that pic and post it, I'd appreciate it. I won't even try that.
The one to the far right partially covered by the tag is an "Ortgies Pocket Pistol" in what appears to be .25acp. I've found a couple of decent pics if someone can "borrow" them. I'm not too up on that process. Many thanks on that, Dillinger! I'm sure I'd screw something up if I tried.
Done, thanks Krispic by the images and the ID (Dillinger)
Ummm, Dillinger, after looking at that, the second url would be the one to use. The first url I had posted there has the extended grip which is a .32acp. The Pocket Pistol .25acp is quite a bit shorter in the grip. Here's another good pic if you need it.
Thanks, sir! (k)
Bernadelli Model 60 or Walther PPK?
The gun identified as a Walther PPK seems to have a single action trigger, a thumb rest in the left grip and other features that make me think that it is really a Bernadelli Model 60 pistol Rafa 18:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Edited: I'm now pretty sure: look at the box beneath the pistol: the word "Bernadelli" can be partially read.I've modified the pageRafa 18:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Colt Buntline or Harrington & Richardson?
The box beneath the "Colt Buntline" identifies this gun as a Harrington & Richardson copy of the Colt. Curiously, most of the handguns in this gunshop are pretty cheap guns.Rafa 18:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Flyboy's .22 SAA In The Gunshop
It was identified as a Ruger Single Six, but in the movie and the screen captures showing the gunshop scene it has a brass trigger guard and backstrap. Did the Ruger ever possess these or is it some sort of Uberti .22 SAA copy? Possibly another brand, I'm not too sure. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 09:43, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
Main Revolver Identifications
Looking at the supposed FIE Titan Tiger revolvers, I'm thinking that they are actually arminius .22 revolvers. The ejector rod on all of them is significantly longer than a FIE/Arminius .38 revolver's, but is present on the .22lr versions. Also the Nickel FIE Resembles a Nickel Rohm RG38. The ejector rod is long, but not long and shaped like a .22 Arminius, so I'm thining it's a Rohm. Charterarmsoffduty (talk) 11:34, 29 December 2015 (EDT)
There is a brief scene in which a couple hunters are picking off zombies at a distance. Can anyone identify the rifles so, if need be, they are included in the article? Thanks.
Smith & Wesson Model 10
Okay. First off, the Model 10 looks really shiny for blued, and by the shape of it in the 2nd screencap it looks more like the Rohm RG-38 used by Roger and Peter. Second off, when the young SWAT officer (John Rice) picks up the 916A, what used to be Wooley's Arminius looks to be replaced by the Rohm RG-66 used by Stephen.
The revolver on the ground has the same plastic grips and the ejector rod as the Rohm RG-66 Stephen uses.
Look at the shape of the ejector rod. They are exactly the same. Also, the same finish is also obviously present on both guns.
If you guys need any screencaps for this, let me know. I have the U.S Theatrical cut on DVD and a digital copy of an "Extended Mall Hours" cut. The former has great quality but less scenes and the latter has mediocre quality but more scenes. -SeptemberJack (talk) 02:01, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
- If no one objects to this I'm just gonna fix the page how I see it. -SeptemberJack (talk) 18:54, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
Gun store rules
These are the makeshift rules I made for inclusion in the gun store.
- It has to be seen in the gun store. (of course)
- It can't be used by the main character after the gun store scene.
- It can be handled by other characters after; if it is used by two or more, however, means it gets its own section out of the gun store.
The only real exception to these rules is the Marlin Model 336, but since we really only see in in armories and no character explicitly uses it I put it in the Gun Store section. I'm not sure about the M1917 Enfield since one of the hunters ( I need to upload a better pic ) uses it but I placed it in the Gun Store section. -SeptemberJack (talk) 22:26, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
- I think it'd be best to just list all the firearms in the respective categories proper and do away with the existing gun store category. This honestly looks and seems rather strange and arbitrary to me, not to mention confusing with the existing categories. I'll grant sometimes we do mass listings of this sort elsewhere on the site, but it's typically just one listing with all the firearms - which are generally just a few static/background pieces - noted within that one listing and with only a few screenshots, not a whole dedicated category with practically half the guns on the page, many of them actually held/used by characters (something I believe would certainly merit them being listed normally). All-told, I really think this is getting too off-kilter with how we generally do things. StanTheMan (talk) 03:32, 23 April 2017 (EDT)