Talk:TDI Vector

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TDI CRB/SO with barrel "safety extension" - .45 ACP

Moved from main page to keep links. Evil Tim 05:16, 5 May 2012 (CDT)

TDI CRB/SO with Surefire weaponlight - .45 ACP

KRISS SDP - .45 ACP

KRISS K10 with barrel RIS - .45 ACP / 9x19mm Para / .40 S&W. Latest multicalibre prototype; note detachable magazine well, diagonal reversible charging handle, and lack of pins on the receiver. This is a non-NFA weapon, hence it having a safety but not a fire selector.

KRISS K10 with barrel RIS - .45 ACP / 9x19mm Para / .40 S&W. Opposite side.

The KRISS K10 was shown at SHOT 2011 and has not been seen since 2013: like a lot of TDI / KRISS projects (MVS shotgun, Disraptor heavy machine gun, .22 LR Vector, KARD, etc) it seems to have been cancelled. Evil Tim (talk) 23:15, 25 November 2015 (EST)

TDI / KRISS USA Vector with stock removed, as seen in Resident Evil: Retribution - .45 ACP

Gen II TDI / KRISS USA Vector SBR - .45 ACP / 9x19mm Parabellum. Note new grip, trigger and 45-degree safety. The Gen II also eliminates the opening above the barrel for the original weapon's optional Surefire weaponlight, since these are no longer manufactured. An "Enhanced" version with an AR-style stock adaptor packaged with a Magpul UBR collapsible stock is also available.

Gen II TDI / KRISS USA Vector CRB - .45 ACP / 9x19mm Parabellum. Note new grip, trigger and 45-degree safety. The Gen II also eliminates the opening above the barrel for the original weapon's optional Surefire weaponlight, since these are no longer manufactured. An "Enhanced" version with a squared-off barrel shroud resembling an Osprey suppressor and an AR-style stock adaptor packaged with a Magpul UBR collapsible stock is also available.

KRISS USA Vector Gen II CRB - .45 ACP

Gen II appears to be a replacement for the K10. Evil Tim (talk) 23:15, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Some stuff

Can a Moderator please merge both this page and the Kriss Super V page as they are apparently the same weapons system?Rockwolf66 17:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The TDI Kriss looks like my kind of rifle-S&Wshooter 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The TDI Kriss Rifle would look at home on the set of an science-fiction movie Rex095

TDI has apparently now decided it's called KRISS USA Inc. I suggest we ignore them. :P Evil Tim 02:39, 2 June 2011 (CDT)

i have looked at the system of the super v it is mechanicaly sound and recoil stablising i look for good engineers and design. i leave the naming to the pr chumps--Seekerdude 07:30, 5 May 2012 (CDT)

TV shows with Vector

The KRISS Vector showed up on The Good Guys on Fox.

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Starship troopers Invasion

I just watched this new CGI movie and I saw Carmen using a Vector pistol. No mistake in the design Excalibur01 (talk) 20:37, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

Rename

Shouldn't the article be renamed into KRISS Vector? (and TDI Kard into KRISS KARD)? I think the actual company is KRISS USA, which was formerly known as TDI. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:01, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

I've changed it for now. If someone has a compelling reason not to, please let us know. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:27, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

There's also the TDI Kard → KRISS KARD. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:22, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

I thought we had a policy of going by the original weapon name rather than what it has changed into don't we? --commando552 (talk) 12:12, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

I'm not sure. The Magpul Masada is on the Bushmaster ACR page, but the B&T MP9 is on the Steyr TMP page. This is a bit different though, since the design wasn't sold, the company just changed names. Last week I had explain to someone why we the Springfield XD page wasn't the HS2000 page. It'd be a bit less complicated if we actually broke down the variants like on the TMP or ACR page, but that wasn't done here. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:23, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

Those are actually different variants though with identifiable differences in the furniture or accessory interfaces. TDI just changed their name with no difference in the gun itself, with the exception of (I assume) the manufacturer markings. As there is no way to tell them apart, it wouldn't be possible to split them up really. The HS2000 is also a different case, as the reason we use the XD name (even if a genuine HS2000 appeared) is that it is the established practice to go by the US version/import name. --commando552 (talk) 13:18, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

I do think it's rather better to go with original weapon name as precedent, it's a lot less confusing and means we don't have to deal with the later possibility of people "correcting" entries that aren't actually wrong as such. As for variants, at present:

Anything based on a prototype Vector should be TDI.
Production Vectors could be TDI or KRISS USA, probably the former for any weapons in real armouries. I think the .22 LR variant (assuming they don't can it like they seem to have with the 9mm and .40 S&W versions) would be KRISS USA only as well, not that it's ever going to appear in anything anyway.
Any K10 would be KRISS USA only.

On the ACR page some guy called Scarecrow who I don't remember argued that it belongs there because it's the most commonly used version. That's actually pretty sensible since it works as a precedent for things like the Browning M2 (made by Browning and absolutely everyone else) but would still drop this at the TDI name since that's the most common correct name ID. Evil Tim (talk) 03:11, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

The other thing with the Masada/ACR is that the Magpul never properly manufactured the Masada, it was essentially just the prototype weapon which was then licensed to Bushmaster/Remington who actually produced a finalised variant of it. --commando552 (talk) 06:19, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

So, shall we move this back? Funkychinaman should do it if it's going to be done, if we start with mods undoing each other's actions it runs the risk of mod roulette (ie, "mom said no, so go ask dad"). Evil Tim (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Yes, I'll do it. We're good with "TDI Vector?" --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

And what about the Kard? --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:34, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

TDI Vector is fine for this one, I think. Wait for the Kard to actually enter production before changing it is probably the easy option there. Evil Tim (talk) 12:16, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

I am wondering if we should call it the "TDI Kriss Vector", as if you watch videos on youtube from when it was first released, the TDI reps refer to it as this. Also the markings on the side of the TDI vintage Vectors refer to it as a "Kriss Super V Vector SMG", but this is kind of a mouthful so shortening it to "TDI Kriss Vector" sounds ok to me. Even before TDI changed to Kriss USA people referred to the Vector as the Kriss, but am not sure if that was actually part of the name or people getting confused with the Kriss Super V System. Iwould probably also go with calling the Kard the "TDI Kriss Kard", as it was still TDI when it was first developed and unveiled, however it was specifically referred to as the "Kriss Kard". --commando552 (talk) 12:00, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Naw, they put the word "Kriss" in every single one of their product names at one point (Kriss tactical pack!) and it was pretty clear from their old website that without all the marketing silly the weapon was just "Vector SMG." "Kriss Super V" was supposed to be the name of the action, which on their current site has just been shortened to the "patented KRISS system." So the title breaks down to "TDI Kriss-action Vector SMG" and the name is just Vector. Evil Tim (talk) 12:10, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Yeah, here is their old site calling it the "patented KRISS Super V system" and calling it the "Vector SMG" under the "Increased Durability and Deployability" heading. I guess they changed their name to KRISS USA so that people would have to use their silly terminology in the title of the gun because it wasn't correct to do it before. Evil Tim (talk) 12:14, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Sooooo... TDI Vector? --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:30, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Yup, I think that's best. Also won't double-redirect all the existing links, so that's a big plus. Evil Tim (talk) 12:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Magazine Capacity: What is it exactly for the Vector?

Now I'm going to say this first and foremost, I do a lot of reading about guns on Wikipedia, and some people might say that Wiki. isn't reliable because anything can whatever on there, and some will say they are okay with it or they don't care. One thing is for sure, I am highly unsure of the Vector's true magazine capacity. Most people say that the correct capacity for the weapon is 30 rounds. Normally, I would simply just go with it, but to be honest, the Vector is one of my favorite and I can't stop reading about on Wikipedia. Now, Wiki. says that the Vector series of weapons (SMG, CRB, SDP, etc.) all feed from full-size .45 ACP Glock magazines (which come from the Glock 21 or Glock 30, though the G30 also feeds from G21 mags.) Glock 21 magazines come in a standard capacity of 13 rounds, with an optional 10 round magazine for those states with high-cap magazine bans, like New York. KRISS offers a "MagEx" magazine extension compatible with the aforementioned Glock mags. This extension adds an extra 25 rounds to the total capacity of the mags, with the total capacities being 35 rounds (for the Glock 10 rounder) or 38 rounds (for the Glock 13 rounder)The point I'm trying to make that if this math is technically correct, why are the "odd" capacities in, for example, the Call of Duty series considered incorrect? MW2's and BO2's 36 round capacity can be achieved by not fully loading the 38 round mag, and Ghosts' 32 rounds can be achieved by not fully loading either for the two magazines. So where did the idea of 30 rounds being the correct magazine capacity for the Vector? Is it because most other SMGs have a standard capacity of 30 rounds? I don't know. FPS FTW (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

According to the official website, under Magazines it lists "Std. 13-round Glock 21 mag. Optional 25-round KRISS® MagEx. Fully compatible with G21 model mags." It looks like the MagEx extends the 13 rounder TO 25 rounders, it doesn't add 25 rounds. And if you stick around long enough, you'll realize that CoD is a terrible source of information for guns. (As are most video games.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:54, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

BTW, I got the information regarding the MagEx from Brownells. In my experience, the official websites and retail websites tend to have more reliable info, since they actually have skin in the game. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

The Modern Firearms page states the availability of 30-round mags. This also states 28-round mags, though I don't know if this one has been developed. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:30, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

According to the KRISS International website, it's "Std. 13-round Glock 21 mag. Optional 30-round KRISS® MagEx. Fully compatible with G21/G22 model mags." I suppose you have to be a bit leery of that, since Glock 21s and 22s are of different calibers. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:49, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

Strange... What would probably make sense regarding the G22 mag is the .40 S&W KRISS K10, but they didn't talk about this caliber on the website. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:13, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

It looks like the answer is there's two kinds of MagEx, on the US site the ENHANCED (!!!1) versions say 30 rounds and the regular ones 25. I've found both online:

25: https://www.botach.com/kriss-magex-25-extended-glock-21-magazine/

30: https://www.botach.com/kriss-glock-21-21sf-17rd-magazine-extension-kit/

From what I can find on forums, the original MagEx was 30, but it came with a crappy spring that made the follower hang up inside the mag body and most people could only get 28 or 29 in it anyway, so KRISS with the subtlety one might expect just threw in a stronger spring and changed the marketed capacity to "25+" rounds. Evil Tim (talk) 19:27, 25 November 2015 (EST)

So it's safe to say they're 25-rounders? Meaning 25 to 30 rounds are kinda both correct in games? Mr. Wolf (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah, apparently someone on a Glock forum managed to get 30 in a MagEx through performing various sorcery on the spring and sides of the extension and it was originally marketed as a 30-rounder. Since it's now "25+" it's probably safest to just caption the one gun image as an "extended" magazine. Evil Tim (talk) 21:12, 25 November 2015 (EST)

So for instance if I captioned a game I'd say "incorrectly holds 50 rounds in a 25/30 round magazine"? Mr. Wolf (talk) 21:19, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah, that would probably be best, and only say it's incorrect if it's over thirty, though it might be worth a note if it's over 28. Evil Tim (talk) 21:20, 25 November 2015 (EST)

It's confusing; most websites and YouTube videos state that the capacity is either 25, 26, 27, 28 or 30 rounds. Are all these capacities available or what? --08:55, 25 September 2015 (EDT)

So the actual answer is "yes;" 25 is the stated minimum for the MagEx, most will fit 27 or 28, the size of the magazine theoretically fits 30 but the magazine itself probably won't. Evil Tim (talk) 21:31, 25 November 2015 (EST)

So we should simplfy it and just say 25 on pages? Since you can also load some other weapon's magazines over they're stated capacities. I think that would open a can of worms with other guns that can be "overloaded". Mr. Wolf (talk) 21:34, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah, but the thing is this one is specifically called 25+, so the stated capacity is "at least 25" while most manufacturers have sufficiently not-awful quality control to just state a specific number. I think 25 / 30 works best, since at one time it was marketed as 30 and we can't be sure which one is being shown unless it has the red "+17" marking some of the "30" MagEx kits did (see here for example). Evil Tim (talk) 21:46, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Aaaand now we have the G17 mags for it (which means 50 and 100-round drum mags compatible with the Glock are also possible on the Vector, I guess?) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:35, 22 December 2015 (EST)