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::::Well, only so much. They are airsoft clones to the MP9SF (SF = Select fire). The normal civilian MP9 doesn't have that foregrip molded into the frame (because of US laws.) It's either smooth or has a rail built into it. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 18:24, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | ::::Well, only so much. They are airsoft clones to the MP9SF (SF = Select fire). The normal civilian MP9 doesn't have that foregrip molded into the frame (because of US laws.) It's either smooth or has a rail built into it. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 18:24, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | ||
:::::There is no such thing as the MP9SF. B&T manufacture the MP9 (select fire, moulded forward grip and folding stock), and the TP9 (semi only, removable rail and fitted for but not with a folding stock). They are both imported into the US by DSA, who sell the MP9 as the TP9SF, and the TP9 as the TP9. I am only asking about the MP9 pictures, the TP9 section has the correct images. All I was doing was pointing out the the pictures we have for the MP9 are wrong, as they have no trigger safety, and was hoping someone knew if they were an airsoft version, hybrid gun, or early/prototype version. The pictures of the airsoft gun I posted are exact replicas of a MP9/TP9SF, and posted them to show what an MP9 actually looks like, as opposed to the ones on the main page. I have also never seen the markings "MP9" on the bolt of an actual gun, from what I've seen they either have the calibre with serial number beneath, or the bolt is blank. I believe the former is on DSA US import guns, and the latter for guns sold by B&T in Europe, but not 100% on this last point. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:00, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | :::::There is no such thing as the MP9SF. B&T manufacture the MP9 (select fire, moulded forward grip and folding stock), and the TP9 (semi only, removable rail and fitted for but not with a folding stock). They are both imported into the US by DSA, who sell the MP9 as the TP9SF, and the TP9 as the TP9. I am only asking about the MP9 pictures, the TP9 section has the correct images. All I was doing was pointing out the the pictures we have for the MP9 are wrong, as they have no trigger safety, and was hoping someone knew if they were an airsoft version, hybrid gun, or early/prototype version. The pictures of the airsoft gun I posted are exact replicas of a MP9/TP9SF, and posted them to show what an MP9 actually looks like, as opposed to the ones on the main page. I have also never seen the markings "MP9" on the bolt of an actual gun, from what I've seen they either have the calibre with serial number beneath, or the bolt is blank. I believe the former is on DSA US import guns, and the latter for guns sold by B&T in Europe, but not 100% on this last point. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:00, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | ||
| + | ::::::I meant TP9SF. And DSA DOES NOT import the version you have up! (into the US, and forget about England because their laws are insane). The ones they import don't have the forgrip or stock because it's ILLEGAL. Picture wise, the LEGAL TP9 DOESN'T have the forgrip or stock, so I don't see why you would use TM9 photos for a MP9. The pictures up now are mixes of inaccurate airsoft guns and some early versions. Even though the gun is different, remember that there are cosmetic differences between the MP9 and TMP! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 20:12, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | ||
Revision as of 01:12, 5 November 2011
MP9 pictures
Does anyone know what is going on with the pictures of the MP9? One of the main differences between the TMP and the MP9 is that the MP9 introduced a trigger safety, but the pictured guns don't have this. Are these early versions, airsoft guns or some kind of hybrid cobbled together from a TMP and MP9 parts? The guns below are airsoft replicas, but they are accurate ones and hence have the trigger safety. --commando552 09:40, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- There's more differences between the two than just a trigger safety. The MP9 has rails, a folding stock, and a different safety, whereas the TMP does not have the first two features. Your pictures would be hybrids because they have the folding stock and rails in addition to the built in foregrip. A true TMP has no rails or stock and a built in foregrip. --Ranger12 11:55, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- I said ONE of the differances (of several) is the trigger safety on MP9, which the main page pictured guns do not have. My pictures are not hybrids, they are MP9s (or to be more precise exact airsoft replicas), as they have the folding stock, rails and trigger safety. --commando552 13:23, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- Well, only so much. They are airsoft clones to the MP9SF (SF = Select fire). The normal civilian MP9 doesn't have that foregrip molded into the frame (because of US laws.) It's either smooth or has a rail built into it. --Ranger12 18:24, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- There is no such thing as the MP9SF. B&T manufacture the MP9 (select fire, moulded forward grip and folding stock), and the TP9 (semi only, removable rail and fitted for but not with a folding stock). They are both imported into the US by DSA, who sell the MP9 as the TP9SF, and the TP9 as the TP9. I am only asking about the MP9 pictures, the TP9 section has the correct images. All I was doing was pointing out the the pictures we have for the MP9 are wrong, as they have no trigger safety, and was hoping someone knew if they were an airsoft version, hybrid gun, or early/prototype version. The pictures of the airsoft gun I posted are exact replicas of a MP9/TP9SF, and posted them to show what an MP9 actually looks like, as opposed to the ones on the main page. I have also never seen the markings "MP9" on the bolt of an actual gun, from what I've seen they either have the calibre with serial number beneath, or the bolt is blank. I believe the former is on DSA US import guns, and the latter for guns sold by B&T in Europe, but not 100% on this last point. --commando552 19:00, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- I meant TP9SF. And DSA DOES NOT import the version you have up! (into the US, and forget about England because their laws are insane). The ones they import don't have the forgrip or stock because it's ILLEGAL. Picture wise, the LEGAL TP9 DOESN'T have the forgrip or stock, so I don't see why you would use TM9 photos for a MP9. The pictures up now are mixes of inaccurate airsoft guns and some early versions. Even though the gun is different, remember that there are cosmetic differences between the MP9 and TMP! --Ranger12 20:12, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- There is no such thing as the MP9SF. B&T manufacture the MP9 (select fire, moulded forward grip and folding stock), and the TP9 (semi only, removable rail and fitted for but not with a folding stock). They are both imported into the US by DSA, who sell the MP9 as the TP9SF, and the TP9 as the TP9. I am only asking about the MP9 pictures, the TP9 section has the correct images. All I was doing was pointing out the the pictures we have for the MP9 are wrong, as they have no trigger safety, and was hoping someone knew if they were an airsoft version, hybrid gun, or early/prototype version. The pictures of the airsoft gun I posted are exact replicas of a MP9/TP9SF, and posted them to show what an MP9 actually looks like, as opposed to the ones on the main page. I have also never seen the markings "MP9" on the bolt of an actual gun, from what I've seen they either have the calibre with serial number beneath, or the bolt is blank. I believe the former is on DSA US import guns, and the latter for guns sold by B&T in Europe, but not 100% on this last point. --commando552 19:00, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- Well, only so much. They are airsoft clones to the MP9SF (SF = Select fire). The normal civilian MP9 doesn't have that foregrip molded into the frame (because of US laws.) It's either smooth or has a rail built into it. --Ranger12 18:24, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- I said ONE of the differances (of several) is the trigger safety on MP9, which the main page pictured guns do not have. My pictures are not hybrids, they are MP9s (or to be more precise exact airsoft replicas), as they have the folding stock, rails and trigger safety. --commando552 13:23, 4 November 2011 (CDT)