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Now because I'm so nice, I've added screencaps of the Knives and Cars used in the film. Since I know little about either, feel free to add your own knowledge and such. With the cars, I only added the ones used by main characters, random cars passing by weren't a big deal. -GM

The following knifes were used in the film:

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The Cutlery of The Punisher (2004)

Butterfly Knife

Castle takes a butterfly knife off of Joan's ex-boyfriend and uses it through out the film, notably when fighting The Russian, who turns it against him and stabs him in the shoulder. Thomas Jane was taught how to do tricks with the knife, and clearly was taught well, as he flawlessly spins the knife in the film several times.

"You shouldn't play with knives."
Castle grabs for the butterfly knife when fighting The Russian.
Castle stabs the Russian with the knife, which appears to inflict no pain on him.
The Russian pulls the knife from his shoulder and it is clearly feeding into the hilt, pushed a spring.
The Russian stabs Castle with the knife.

Kitchen Knife

Some simple kitchens knives are used in the film. Castle Sr. uses one to stab a hitter in the back and Joan is seen holding one when her ex-boyfriend is trying to get into her apartment.

Castle Sr. prepares to stab with the kitchen knife.
Castle Sr. stabs the hitter with the kitchen knife.
Joan holds a kitchen knife in her apartment.

Spring-loaded Launching Stiletto

When Harry Heck totals Castle's car, he pulls a Stiletto Knife from his ankle, which Heck remarks, "You are one dumb sonavabitch, bringin' a knife to a gunfight," to which Castle responds by launching the blade from the knife into Heck's throat. While ballistic knives do exist in real life and work somewhat well, they have much stronger springs to accurately launch the blade, while the spring strength in a modified stiletto would not likely work as well.


Castle aims the blade launching Stiletto.
Castle aims his blade launching Stiletto.
Castle fires the blade at Heck.
The knife hits Heck in the throat.

Emerson Combat Karambit

Castle uses a Emerson Karambit tiger-claw style folding blade with a satin finish to kill a thug in Saint's club.

Castle readies the Karambit.

Spyderco Harpy

A half serrated Spyderco Harpy folder is used by Lincoln and turned against him by Castle.

Looks too big to be a Harpy. It is probably a Civilian, or perhaps a different Spyderco Hawkbill style knife.

It's a Civilian. It's fully serrated as well. (most likely it would do considerably more damage against thin cheek flesh.)

Lincoln struggles to stop Castle from using his Spyderco Harpy against him.

Paper Cutter

Castle unhooks a Paper Cutter blade from its base and uses it to kill one of the thugs guarding the apartment.

Castle examines the paper cutter.
Castle with the paper cutter blade.
Castle swings the blade into the thug's head. Here you can clearly see how graphic the scene originally was going to be before the MPAA got their hands on it.
The paper cutter blade gets stuck in the thug's head.

Stiletto Knife

Howard Saint pulls out a Stiletto knife as he tells Quintin Glass how Jim Bowie used to throw a knife to the ground and fight someone if they declared he was cheating. Accusing Glass of cheating with his wife (which Castle had tricked Saint into believing), he stabs Glass to death with the knife.

Saint pops open the Stiletto Knife.
Saint throws the Stiletto down.
Saint stabs Glass with his Stiletto.
Saint stabs Glass multiple times with his Stiletto.

Cold Steel Warhead

Castle uses two Cold Steel Warhead knives to kill Lincoln, first pinning his hand to his hip, than thrusting a knife through his chin into his brain.

These aren't really cold steel knives it's this one brand that I really want to know.

They could be Strider Knives, they look similar to the MT models, here's a link. [1] Gunner313

Castle pins Lincoln's hand to his hip with an Cold Steel Warhead knife.
Castle shoves his second Warhead blade into Lincoln's chin into his brain. It is a neat gag how the knife is actually seen through his mouth.
Lincoln falls dead.

The Vehicles of The Punisher (2004)

The following cars were used in The Punisher (2004):

Note: These are cars important to the story. No random passing cars.

Pontiac GTO

Castle uses a Pontiac GTO as his vehicle. The license plate reads "Year One", the company who built the car. It does not mean any reference to the fact the film is based on the "Year One" comic.

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Note "Year One" license plate.
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Note how the guy driving is wearing a safety harness.
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Plymouth Road Runner

Harry Heck's car is a 1968 Plymouth Road Runner. Most easily distinguished from the front end and the nonfunctional "hood scoops" on the hood. Though this could've been a redressed Belvedere, Satellite, Coronet, or Superbee, which along with the Road Runner and GTX were essentially the same vehicle.

not a Dart
Heck smashes into Castle's GTO with his Road Runner.
Heck pulls up to Castle's totaled GTO.
Castle takes Heck's car.

Ford F-150 1981 Pickup

John Saint drives a Red Ford F-150 1981 Pickup with Dante and Spoon riding in the back and Glass in the passenger's side. He uses it to run over Will and Maria Castle.

Just two years older than my own Ford F150 I had up until a couple years ago. Spartan198 09:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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Triumph Daytona 500

Castle hops on a Triumph in pursuit of the men chasing his wife and son.

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Stunt Double.
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Chevy Blazer

Maria Castle's Car.

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1998 Corvette

Mike Duka's car.

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Reproduction Ford GT40

A rubbish looking GT40 knockoff, barely resembles a REAL GT40, but passes as one to the casual viewer.

Pictured right.

Shelby Cobra

John Saint's Car.

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Pictured left.

Jaguar XK8

Olivia Saint's car.

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Bentley Arnage

Howard Saint's car.

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Jaguar XJR

Quentin Glass' Car

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Ford Mustang

Jimmy Weeks' car is a 2004 Ford Mustang, seen in the extended cut only.

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Taxi Cab

Dave is driven home from the hospital in a typical Taxi Cab. Looks to be a Chevy Lumina.

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The Stevens 311

Recent observation seems to suggest that the double barrels are not Stevens 311s. Looking at the lower part of the receiver right were it meets the foregrip, there should be large indentations as seen in the Stevens picture, yet they aren't present.

Re-read the article, they have been determined to be Spanish Eibar copies, which don't feature the indentations. - Gunmaster45

Alright then, you think the notion in the paragraph is enough, or should the heading be changed to reflect that? RedJedRevolver

Also, how were they determined to be that? Could they possibly be the 311H?


Specials

Where's the Special footage from? I got the extended DVD, it doesn't have that.-protoAuthor

The special footage comes from the original theatrical release, actually. Spartan198 21:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I actually got that and never bothered to delete my question. I now have pretty much every version of every punisher film.-protoAuthor 00:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Alias Same 1911 Custom

In the Alias "Legacy" episode Michael Vartan uses a 1911 customized like the Punisher's pistols. The year of the episode is the same of the film: 2004. Maybe there is a connection... Charly Driver

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One of Punisher's 1911s (or something very close to it) shows up in the hands of Dolph Lundgren in The Expendables, too... Funny, because Dolph once played the Punisher.--Leigh Burne 02:59, 11 May 2012 (CDT)

Totally just thought about this

Because this picture is of Frank and his Delta buddies in the Gulf in '91, he would technically be holding a M727 or M723. God i have random thoughts. -The Winchester
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Story-wise, yes. But production-wise, it could probably be the same M4 he used to shoot Saints and Sinners up, with the M203 removed, carry handle replaced, and fabric wrapping to cover the rail system. Spartan198 21:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Yea thats what i ment. They do get 10 points for having the guys in that pic wear the ugly and oudated 8-color chocolate chip pattern. -The Winchester

1911 Action

I was watching this movie the other day and noticed every time Castle racks his 1911's slide while not in combat it looks like he flips a switch on the front of the slide where it meets the compensator. Any ideas on what he's actually doing? If someone needs a screencap for clarification I can upload one. -Mandaloin 174.18.152.170 07:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

It looks like he is doing a "press check" or "brass check" to me. He grasps the front cocking serrations on the slide, pulls the slide back slightly to check to see if a round or brass is in the barrel. -Scott

Stand-alone launcher

Doesn't look like a cobray, but more like a K.A.S. system itself, the trigger and grip don't match the cobray style or placement, suggest revising.

It's niether the Cobray or the KAC or Colt standalone system... It's an RM Equipment 203PI pistol(newer than the original top folding stock version, but older than the current side folding M4 stock) Or more like the Tokyo Marui airsoft version. http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=/reviews/m203_pistol/m203_pistol_review.htm

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Micro Uzi

Micro uzis have a side folding stock and a different trigger guard, these are semi auto uzi pistols converted to full auto.

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Glock 18

I'm sure it was meant to be potrayed as a G18, but more than likely it wasn't. Probably just a G17(without even an autosear to make it shoot like a G18). Never seen a movie with a real G18...

Matrix reloaded has a real glock 18

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1911 Compensators

Are these a real model of compensator or just a Hollywood prop?

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Looks real to me. -Winn

They look like the comp kit from kings gunworks.

Definitely NOT from Kings Gunworks. Kings only has round compensators. The ones in the movie match the shape of the end of the slide. I suggest they are from Gan's Enterprises in Pennsylvania. http://www.gansguns.com/MAINCOMPS.html

If you mean are the compensators functional, the answer is no. Otherwise, the muzzle flash wouldn't be so huge (of course, the weapon is also firing full-flash motion picture blanks, which have more powder than live rounds). Compensators and suppressors are almost never functional in Hollywood movies; audiences like to see huge muzzle flashes. -MT2008 16:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, if they weren't functional, then why does the flash redirect upward at the porting? Doesn't that prove that the compensator is functional, otherwise the flash would extend forward only. Maybe if they were mounted on a real gun, the effect wouldn't be that noticeable, but real compensators aren't deemed compensators based on their quality, but by the very fact that they redirect gases upward, which these appear to be doing.--Mr-Jigsaw 04:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I think you should understand that blanks give off no recoil to really affect the actor. The Compensators probably would work if the gun was firing live ammo and no blank adapted but in this movie, the purpose of the compensator is for the pretty muzzle flash that is caused from the blanks that are designed to give you more flash than real life gun shots. Excalibur01 06:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

The Castle family in the "9mm vs. 45" debate...

There's a funny scene in the novel (and maybe the extended cut of the film, haven't seen it yet) where Frank makes a comment about his father's love of 1911s. Frank Sr. responds something to the effect of: "You may mock, my friend. Just don't come crying to me when you shoot a crackhead full of 9mm and he responds by breaking your pissy little Glock over your head!"

It will most likely have been in the original script which is what novels are usually written from hence they have all the deleted scenes that didn't make it into either theatrical or directors cuts. Aliens is a very good example of this as it has the deleted scene where Ripley finds Burke and gives him a grenade to kill himself with. That scene is in neither the theatrical or the "special edition" director's cut. --cool-breeze 15:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

That scene was the same in the extended cut as it was in the theatrical release, no debating 9mm over .45 or remarks about "pissy little Glocks". Spartan198 23:01, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

In the movies no, but he's talking about the novel. Kornflakes89 00:54, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

Mossberg 500/Armscor

I'm pretty sure the weapon listed as a Mossberg 500 is actually a cut down Armscor shotgun. This notion was entertained awhile back with a small caption at the beginning of the listing, but it was taken down and never placed in here to properly be analyzed. There are some additional movies that probably feature the same gun, but the only one I can remember was Red Dragon. My arguments are these: first, the safety placement is on the front of the trigger guard, not behind the chamber, and secondly, there seems to be a checkered pattern imprinted on the bolt, both of which are unique features of Armscor shotguns. Should the entry be changed? --ZeoRanger5 04:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I found the shotgun in the 1965 Gun Digest edition. It's a J.C. Higgins Model 21. --Jcordell 21:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Seriously though

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WTF is up with guy? Every time I've seen this film, this bugs the shiz out of me 65.29.239.251 01:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

What's wrong with him? Spartan198 22:54, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
hes holding the gun like a moron.Simmons 8492

Thomas Jane - Punisher Cap

First: I dont know if this is the right place, if its not, im sorry.

Sencond: Where can i buy the cap Thomas Jane is wearing?


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eBay or Amazon. Kornflakes89 00:56, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

Harry Heck's Revolver

The revolver that Harry Heck is using looks similar to the one that Fat Bastard used in Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me. It has the same placement of the front sight. It looks to be a Dan Wesson if not the same revolver from Austin Powers because the barrel looks a little different. humanzie3

Aimpoint Mount

Am I correct to assume the way the Aimpoint is mounted on Castle's M4 the front sight post would block the red dot as it's an L mount instead of the cantilever mount. I had an issue with an Aimpoint on a L mount on my airsoft M4 and now I've got the cantilever mount it's perfect. --cool-breeze 02:56, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

The red dot should be right on top of his front sight...it should line up.--Spades of Columbia 03:18, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

Isn't the red dot meant to be just above the front sight post though? --cool-breeze 01:49, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

No, if the dot is right on the tip of the front sight that is known as co witnessing, meaning if you looked through iron sights with the dot on, the do would be in the exact same spot as your front sight. If it is floating above, that's usually known as a lower 1/3 co witness, and it will still line up with irons. Google can help with a better explanation. Mandaloin (talk) 21:01, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

The Tec-9...

Is not a Tec-9. It is a KG-99, the select-fire version of the Tec-9 (they are almost identical in external appearance). The armorer did NOT convert a Tec-9 to select fire, machine guns have been illegal to produce for anyone except military or law enforcement agencies since 1986 (18 years before this movie was made).

Many KG-99s were legally registered pre-1986, and it is likely that one was used for this movie (or the shots were movie-edited).

You have guys have no idea what you are talking about. Armorers are not regular civilians like you or I. They are licensed Class III manufacturers/dealers who can purchase machine guns that have manufactured since the 1986 FOPA. How do you think that you're able to see weapons such as H&K G36s or FN P90s in movies (neither of which were around in 1986)? MoviePropMaster2008, our resident armorer/photographer, has taken pictures of post-86 "dealer samples" that are from either his or other armorers' inventory, all of which are converted to blank-fire for movie use. -MT2008 10:04, 20 July 2011 (CDT)


Taurus Model 689

Harry Heck ditches his Striker when Castle totals his GTO and gets out, armed with a Taurus Model 689. Castle pulls out a spring loaded stiletto (basically an amateur ballistics knife) and fires it into his neck before he can use it. Castle than takes the gun and leaves in Heck's Satellite.

Taurus Model 689 with 4" Barrel (one in film is 8") - .44 Magnum.
Heck walks up to Castle with his Taurus Model 689 in hand.
Heck points his Taurus Model 689 at Castle.

[Edit: This pistol actually appears to be a Dan Wesson. Notice the placement of the front sight, the flat profile of the vent ribs on top, the shape of the barrel (particularly the shape of the underlug) and the shape of the grip.]

This is from someone who does not understand what a discussion page is. Evil Tim 09:59, 19 November 2011 (CST)

Weapons Stockpile

Would anyone, even a federal agent, be legally allowed to have such a stockpile of hardware like Frank has in his personal possession? I mean, I could feasibly see him having short-barreled shotguns, M4s and M16s, as many pistols as his heart desires, and even the grenade launchers, but hand grenades, Claymore mines, those unIDed AP mines? Seems like that stuff would be so heavily controlled in post-9/11 America that even LEOs would have difficulty acquiring them. I realize he wouldn't be the Punisher without enough weapons and ammo to outgun and conquer a small country single-handedly, but still. Spartan198 (talk) 11:21, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

This is yet another issue with the film, in the graphic novels he had Micro who supplied him with pretty much all of his weaponry, he wouldn't really be able to have such a stockpile as a normal Federal Agent, he could have POSSIBLY had them if he was HRT or SWAT and had gotten away with "liberating" them from the armoury. But why would he have? More plotholes than a siv in this film which is so annoying, a Punisher film done right could be right up with films like Heat, Taxi Driver, The Town etc. --cool-breeze (talk) 12:18, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
What would HRT and SWAT need Claymores (which can hit you from a football field away) and frag grenades for, though? They kill too indiscriminately to be used in situations where hostages and/or innocent bystanders are likely to be close by or used as human shields. Spartan198 (talk) 05:15, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
Good point, I'm guessing we're supposed to assume that it's left over from Castle's military days but I would still question why he would risk being caught to stockpile them when he left the military. --cool-breeze (talk) 07:09, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
Or maybe it's just a film where the characters have unreasonable firepower? It's not like this is the only film ever made where people have access to weapons no one would be able to acquire in real life.--Leigh Burne (talk) 07:15, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
I know it's a movie, but that's hardly valid reasoning. Would you say as much if he was partnered up with Barney the dinosaur? Spartan198 (talk) 12:59, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
I have no idea what what Barney the Dinosaur has to do with anything. Maybe they're "props" left over from his undercover work? He was posing as an arms dealer. I know that doesn't quite make sense, but it something. Atypicaloracle (talk) 04:02, 23 June 2013 (EDT)

Compound Bow

While not a firearm, Castle does some nice stealth kills with a compound bow. Anyone who knows what type is welcome to comment.

Read somewhere that it is a PSE Spyder S4. Des 07:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

A compound bow and arrows are seen in Castle's inventory when the camera pans over.
Castle assembles his compound bow when preparing to assault Saint's club.
Castle fires the compound bow, shooting an arrow right through a guard's neck.Ouch.


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