Talk:Ohio Ordnance HCAR

Categorization

I'd subclassify this much closer to a SLR sorta like like that of semiauto only FALs, SKS, etc, but since we don't have a category of that sort, well.. I will say this, it can't be an 'assault rifle' due to the use of a 'full-size' rifle caliber, otherwise we'd classify the original BAR as such also. I'm sorry but it not being chambered for a full-size cartridge is a characteristic that it must have to be classified as such, end of. It also isn't a 'battle rifle' as the general use of the term here isn't just about caliber/characteristics but also to denote weapons that were standard- or mass-issue for battle forces, which this also is not. StanTheMan (talk) 14:58, 28 January 2017 (EST)

That being said, I really think this should just be made a section on the BAR page, not given it's own page. StanTheMan (talk) 15:03, 28 January 2017 (EST)

Not that I consider it as an assault rifle either, but the thing is HCAR stands for Heavy Counter Assault Rifle, so I sort of ran with it at first. As for adding it as a section to the BAR page, I don't know; I felt that it was a new system based on the BAR and not really considered as an actual variant of it. But yeah, I don't have anything against the idea of merging them. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:50, 28 January 2017 (EST)

The BAR could be categorized as an "Automatic Rifle" like the niche the M27 IAR was intended to fill. Maybe this HCAR could be put in its own "semiauto-only rifle" category since there's little chance of it being adopted by a national military force. --Mazryonh (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2017 (EST)

I've listed it as such for now. The battle rifle category is the first that came into my mind before, but like STM said it's probably not officially one. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:32, 27 February 2017 (EST)

But for this reason, we might also have to remove this category from some pages like ASh-12.7 and Desert Tech MDR, shouldn't we? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:01, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

I, for one, believe that due to its characteristics, it should probably just be thrown under the Battle Rifle category. I mean, it's not actually likely to be adopted, sure, but as far as technological descriptions go, I'd say it fits. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:03, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

To simplify things, the way it works functionally is that if the rifle looks kind of like an assault rifle and is chambered in an intermediate calibre like 5.56x45mm it goes in the "Assault Rifle" category, if it is chambered in a full power cartridge like 7.62x51mm or .30-06 like this gun it goes in the "Battle Rifle" category. Similarly, the ASh-12.7 and MDR are in full power cartridges, so they go in the "Battle Rifle" category. As for "Assault" being in the name of this gun, that doesn't make it an assault rifle. If you break down the name it actually means Heavy "Counter Assault" Rifle, meaning that it is optimised to respond to assaults rather than it being an assault rifle. All that being said, I really don't think this gun warrants its own page rather than it just being a section on the BAR page, as it is just a modernised BAR isn't it? --commando552 (talk) 07:01, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

If I may point out, Wikipedia has the HCAR on its BAR page as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

Also, to me, an entire page dedicated to a weapon that both A) is a modernized version of an existing weapon, and B) only has a single listed appearance in any sort of media, seems kind of excessive. Even the MR-C, the page for which is set up in the same manner as fictional weapons because it never showed up officially outside of Ghost Recon, has at least two appearances within that series. Kadorhal (talk) 19:32, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

I'm in favor of categorizing it under Battle Rifles should it remain a separate page - That said, I'm also still in favor of merging this into the existing BAR page. StanTheMan (talk) 21:23, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

Moved. I noticed that it lists Full Auto as a fire mode? Is this correct? I can't imagine ANY military or law enforcement agency would ever adopt the HCAR, at least as long as it's only chambered in 30-06. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:37, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

I looked up a few videos, and I haven't been able to find anything suggesting it's full-auto capable. Hell, every video I bothered watching seemed to have the camera positioned in such a way as to actively obscure the movements of the shooter's trigger finger, which seems suspicious to me. Kadorhal (talk) 06:13, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

It is semi-only, it only has a two position selector switch. Also, I'm going to move this discussion topic over to the BAR page so it doesn;t get orphaned here. --commando552 (talk) 06:55, 15 May 2017 (EDT)