Talk:Maxim

- Forgive my ignorance, but aren't the Maxim 1910/30 and 'M1910' Maxim (shown on the page) both the same gun? StanTheMan 23:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

-- *sigh* Sry I do not know the different versions, but only from the pictures you can see that there were changes at the shield, the "bolt handle", the sights, etc. I guess they are both the same gun, the 1910/30 is probably the updated version from 1930. I guess you can say the same for the Nagant rifles 1891 and 91/30. Please forgive me my ignorance ;-). [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer] 28 May 2010

• - Delving into some details/history on the gun - I believe the actual gun name/title is 'PM M1910'. It was originally adopted in 1905, they changed it slightly in 1910 and standardized on it. There wasn't any real change made to the gun itself from 1910, outside of installing a large water-filler sometime in WWII. There was no change on it in 1930 that I'm aware of, unlike the Mosin-Nagant rifle, so I don't know where the 1910/30 designation comes from, outside of possible 1910 gun/.30 caliber (7.62x54mm-R specifically) My point is both of the guns seem to be exactly the same, and thus having two different listings/articles are redundant. Most of the 'changes' that you note are minor and almost unnoticeable, outside of the (slightly) different shield design. If those minor details mark an upgrade/modification of the gun made in 1930, that's fine, but I haven't yet read anything that states that is the case. StanTheMan 00:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)