Talk:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015)

Mauser?!

In the middle of screencapping the trailer and I can't quite identify this, looks like a heavily dressed up Mauser, but I can't be sure, any suggestions?

--RedRobinAlpha (talk) 15:19, 13 February 2015 (GMT)

When I saw the trailer, I assumed it was the famous U.N.C.L.E carbine, based on the P38. (You know, Megatron.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:31, 13 February 2015 (EST)

And please crop the black bars from all screencaps and reupload. Thanks. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:32, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah, it seems obvious now, lol, thanks for the help, and I've gone ahead and altered the screencaps --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 15:51, 13 February 2015 (GMT)

OK, a few things. I don't think it's a sure thing that the movie carbine is built around the P38. Looking closely at the pistol it looks nothing like a P38, but more like a Mauser as you originally stated. Notice how Illya appears to be bracing his hand on something well forward of the trigger, which to me looks like the box magazine of a Mauser. There is some discussion at Man from Uncle Gun Facebook page as to the identity of the base weapon, and one poster notes that it's probably not a P38 as there is no safety catch on the slide. This poster also says he is trying to contact Guy Ritchie's "people" to confirm what pistol was used for the carbine...we'll see if he gets a response.

Also the Walther is an MPK, the barrel is too short to be an MPL. Illya appears to be using a Makarov, a standard version in the car at the beginning of the trailer, and a suppressed version on the movie poster. Looking at some behind the scenes photos that were taken when this was being filmed, I believe the guns on the patrol boat are FN MAGS.

Since I found out this movie was in the works I've been trying to find out what firearms would be used. Unfortunately, most unofficial photos that I found of the production are so blurry positive identification is impossible. The only guns that I'm 100% sure about, which don't appear in the trailer, are Sterling smg's, used by UNCLE commandos. I also saw some kind of battle rifles held by some extras, either FAL or G3; and what appears to be a SIG P210 used by a henchman, but again, the photo quality was too poor to be sure. Of course none of these weapons can be added to the page as there are no official photos as of yet, but thought I would just mention them FYI.--Phillb36 (talk) 13:17, 13 February 2015 (EST)

I'll leave the Uncle custom as it is for now until we get a better look at it, but I'll change the MPL to a K as I've had a closer look and I agree. I haven't seen the low quality pictures you have, care to share them? I also noticed what looked like a Makarov on the seat of the car but it was a very brief glimpse and didn't preally think it was enough to properly identify it, but if you feel comfortable adding it then feel free too. I noticed a soldier with a rifle slung on his back as well that I straight away thought was an M1 Garand, but I can't make a 100% positive identification of it as we only really see the muzzle. Also was thinking of adding the pistol held by Illya on the poster, which I'm pretty sure is a Makarov with a custom suppressor, can anyone else confirm? --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 19:00, 13 February 2015 (GMT)

Here's some of the photo's I've found:

This looks like a SIG P210

Guy on extreme left and Guy in center appear to have FAL or G3 battle rifles. You will probably have to zoom into photo to see these.

This appears to be FN MAG mounted on patrol boat. Again, you will have to zoom on photo.

You can see from the quality of the photos why positive IDs are impossible. There are photos of the UNCLE commandos with Sterlings at a site named LaneyBoggs2001.tumbler.com, but I don't have time to find them now. I agree with you about the M1 Garand. There is also an M2 .50 cal mounted on the M41 tank.--Phillb36 (talk) 14:44, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah I think you're dead on about those ID's but best to wait for official stills before adding them to the page. Also added to the description of the U.N.C.L.E. Custom about the ambiguity of the specific pistol involved.--RedRobinAlpha (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2015 (GMT)

Man from Uncle Gun Facebook page now states that the gun used for the UNCLE carbine is a Walther GSP. Strange choice, since it is a target pistol. Besides that, it is anachronistic as the model in .32 wasn't even available until 1971. A Walther OSP could have been used instead, which was around during the timeframe of the movie. Considering this odd choice for the carbine, I'm guessing this is one of those situations where the script calls for a totally fictional weapon invented by UNCLE, forcing the armorer to use the best possible option as a base weapon. I'd compare it to the use of the Mauser C96 in Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows. The script called for a Moriarty-designed clip-fed automatic pistol, so the best option was probably to use a Mauser, even if in reality it hadn't been invented at that time, rather than build a prop from the ground up.

I mentioned that in the film the UNCLE commandos use Sterlings, and here's photo that I found a while back: UNCLE Commandos Sterling SMG. This isn't from the same group of photos I mentioned before, in which the Sterlings were clearly seen, but by zooming in it's obvious what kind of SMG is being used.--Phillb36 (talk) 12:32, 17 February 2015 (EST)

The Man From Uncle Gun Facebook page has some photos of the gun, both disassembled, and assembled: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Man-From-Uncle-Gun/186395181410983 --Krel (talk) 21:47, 3 August 2015 (EDT)

It appears at least one of these guns, judging by the credits shot taken from the main page, was based on a Walther GSP judging by the slanted magazine and trigger assembly. It's worth noting that while a competition .22 automatic would be a prime weapon for a stealth-based assassin (See Nikita), the Walther GSP was first produced in 1968 and is likely an anachronism by a few years. --Caldwellb734 (talk) 21:09, 25 December 2015 (EST)

File:WGSP.jpg

Walther GSP - .22LR

Taken from the end credits. Note the slanted magazine and mag housing, as well as the trigger area.

Game

Looks like the game coming out tomorrow is going to have the pistol in it (which seems to be fully automatic). Seeing as it's free-to-play, there'll probably be a good side picture of the gun in some type of store menu.--Quarax (talk) 22:45, 11 July 2015 (EDT)

I just played it, it's terrible, also no real good look at the pistol. --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 16:06, 12 July 2015 (GMT)

I didn't have to play it to know that. :)

But I'm kind of disappointed there's no good shot of the pistol. Oh well.--Quarax (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2015 (EDT)

Anachronistic rifle in new trailer

I watched the final trailer for MFU and spotted a guard using what appears to be a Sig 542. This rifle is anachronistic for the time period as it wasn't produced until 1973. I realize this movie had a limited budget, but it seems hard to believe that the armorer couldn't source a more period correct rifle, such as a FAL, G3, or even a Cetme. It seems a given that these period films will contain some kind of anachronism, be it songs, costumes, guns, or cars. I read on IMCDB that the Trabant Iylla is driving is actually a 1980's model!- Phillb36 (talk) 16:21, 26 July 2015 (EDT)

Which trailer are you referring to? And do we know what year this movie takes place in? Excalibur01 (talk) 08:02, 4 August 2015 (EDT)

The trailer I was talking about is here. The SIG appears around :44.- Phillb36 (talk) 00:14, 5 August 2015 (EDT)

The movie takes place in the early 1960's, the specific year has yet to be stated. --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 16:45, 04 August 2015 (GMT)

At least one of the trailers has the date 1963 and clips of Kennedy and Khruschev,however the fashions, particularly of the women is of the latter half of the 60s, so I don't think strict period correctness is a big part of the movie. I agree the rifle in questoes looks like a Sig 542,at least on my iphone.According to IMDB, at least two commandos are referred to as "SBS" so one would expect FALs and Sterlings(which are in the movie), which a British armourer ought to have plenty of. We'll find out in a week or so...--Tecolote (talk) 14:04, 4 August 2015 (EDT)

I read an interview with the costume designer for the movie and she said Richie told her didn't have to be accurate to the 1963 timeline, the clothes just needed to be stylish, so she went with fashions from '66, '67, '68 period. So it's true period accuracy isn't a big priority for Richie. As far as the guns, though, there seems to be an effort to use weapons that existed in 1963, so why randomly throw in a rifle that didn't exist at all? I assume it had to do with budget limitations and what was on hand. I should note that one of the armorers for this movie is Joss Skottowe, who worked on some Bond films, including Quantum of Solace, which featured some SIG 542 rifles. Perhaps the rifle in MFU is one that was used in QOS? I think did spot a L1A1 in the background of one of the scenes, in the hands of a sailor on the aircraft carrier.- Phillb36 (talk) 01:21, 5 August 2015 (EDT)

Saw the movie yesterday and enjoyed it alot. The raid is carried by SBS commandos, and except for the above mentioned SIG, it's all Sterlings vs. Walther MPKs. Kuryakin does carry the "UNCLE" carbine,although there is no exposition about it;he just has it, while Solo uses a Sterling. Both he and Solo carry Browning HPs in anachronistic Eagle-style dropleg holsters. The Brownings are period correct T series or earlier models,at least in closeup. the raid is shown in "multi-screen format", so it's hard to ID everything, particularly whatever suppressed item the SBS sniper used as the Zodiacs were closing in.--Tecolote (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2015 (EDT)

So, there are no other battle rifles used besides the SIG? No G3 or L1A1 rifles? It's strange the SIG was thrown in there since it seems there was some effort to use period correct firearms. I noticed the modern tactical holsters in some photos that I found on the internet. I can only guess this is the result of the limited budget, which prevented the filmmakers from obtaining or making holsters more appropriate for the 1963 time period. I posted a link above to a behind the scenes photo showing a hench man with what appears to be a SIG P210. Is it shown clearly in the film? How was the SBS raid sequence overall? I was hoping to see a action packed shoot out, but I get the impression that this scene is diminished by the use of the split screens.-- Phillb36 (talk) 01:21, 16 August 2015 (EDT)

Metric FAL

I saw what looked like a FN FAL 50.00 being used by the Italian Security guards at the Shipping Company (near the Harbor). MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 00:13, 30 August 2015 (EDT)

I missed the FAL. Which scene was it in? The only rifles I saw were the SIGs.-- Phillb36 (talk) 19:37, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

Sniper rifle

I have no idea what kind of rifle the Royal Marine snipers are using. All I can tell is that it's bolt action. Any ideas? --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2016 (EST)

I got a shot of the shooter cycling.

Annn... British L42A1 sniper rifle ?--KINKI'boy (talk) 16:11, 9 January 2016 (EST)

From the time period, sure, but I don't think there's any way to be sure. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:22, 9 January 2016 (EST)

Spares

Illya with his suppressed Makarov.

Illya with the P38 Custom, alongside Solo armed with his Sterling SMG.

Royal Marines armed with their Sterling SMGs

Browning Hi Power

In real life, the BHP used by Solo and Kuryakin would have been a T series or earlier. The ones used in the movie,at least in close up, are current MK IIIs,as shown by the ambidextrous safety and the sights, to which a rowel type hammer has been fitted in place of the current style spur hammer. As the spur hammer is what usually gives away a current production BHP in period movies, the addition of the period rowel hammer is a nice touch;kudos for trying. The anachronistic leg holsters are likely made by Kombat UK. The period correct Pattern 58 holsters worn by the Marines in khaki on deck would more likely have benn worn crossdraw in the 60s, as the holster is designed that way, but strongside does work better for the movie,,,--Tecolote (talk) 23:29, 17 January 2016 (EST)--Tecolote (talk) 23:29, 17 January 2016 (EST)

I forgot to unlock the page. I'll unlock it so you can put this in if you'd like. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:53, 17 January 2016 (EST)

MP...L?

Is it me, or is the one Walther SMG not an MPL? See the screencap "Henchman firing the MPK." Yes, there's foreshortening in this cap, but you can look along the side and see relative positions. It seems to be a real gun, with the charging handle to the rear, but it is just forward of the magazine, not a bit rear of it. Anyone else or is it just me? Shoobe01 (talk) 17:33, 15 February 2018 (EST)

Nice catch. I made the change. --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:22, 16 February 2018 (EST)