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The page thumbnail isn't updating when I upload a new version of an image

IMFDB uses a hosting service called Cloudflare. One side-effect of this is that there is a Cloudflare server between IMFDB's server and you, so uploading a new version of an image updates the image on the actual server, but it doesn't update the one stored in Cloudflare's cache for a while, and that's what people see. You can force an update to the thumbnail by changing the size of the displayed image by even a single pixel, but the image itself you just have to wait for. So just change it from, say 600px to 601px after uploading the new image and it should update on the page.

I got this weird message about failing to create an image and the mwstore?

For reasons that are unclear, the image uploader dislikes certain combinations of numbers being present in a filename. Try re-submitting but removing any strings of multiple numbers from the filename (eg change LordOfTheRings-1911-1.jpg to LordOfTheRings-ColtPistol-1.jpg).

2019

May you all have a great 2019! Happy New Year! --Ben41 (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Damn, I was hoping to beat everyone else to it this year. Stupid timezones... well, regardless, best wishes to everybody here! Here's to hoping that 2019 turns out well. Cheers, Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:58, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Happy New Year! Best wishes to everybody, in all corners of our Earth! Greg-Z (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Guess what everyone? It's finally the Blade Runner year! Go get your spinners and PKD Blasters and hunt those skinjobs from the face of the Earth!--Mazryonh (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2018 (EST)

^ Stay away from my pleasure model, bud! And a kickass 2019 to all. ;) StanTheMan (talk) 20:59, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Foreign language titles with translated titles that start with "The"

So the IMFDB policy on films with foreign titles only is to use a translated title and include the original title in brackets after the title. However, when "The" appears at the start of the translated title, our policy is apparently to move it to the end of the title too. This creates confusing titles like Gleiwitz Case (Der Fall Gleiwitz), The, White Guard (Belaya gvardiya), The, or the extremely confusing Star (Zvezda), The (1949), which adds a year at the end of the title. These titles are very confusing for several reasons: one is that the title is partially broken up due to the "The" policy, meaning that the translated title loses its "The", which can change its meaning. Two is that these translated titles are not actually official titles; sorting them with or without "the" is meaningless since we're sorting them by an unofficial title created solely for IMFDB. If anything, they should be sorted by their original language title. Thus, I propose that these titles should be exempt from the "The" rule, and they should use {{DEFAULTSORT}} to sort them based on their original language titles. --Wuzh (talk) 15:23, 12 January 2019 (EST)

We add years to differentiate between same-named titles; remakes and series and so forth. It's a unilateral practice and one that I fail to see makes anything more confusing. That said, our rule on the matter seems to handle the rest of your so-called 'problem'. If there's no official title, we use a translated title except in certain instances, simple as that. This is how we do it, and have done it for all this time with - until now - no complaint whatsoever that I'm aware of. And if the translation includes a 'the' to it (and I'll grant that may be an optional linguistic liberty in some cases), well there it is. I don't think anybody's willing to get into a debate on the merits of translation and usage here. That aside this is just an extension of your previous complaint about the 'the' issue, and like that issue this is a 'problem' that again no one has raised as such other than you. StanTheMan (talk) 16:37, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Fine. With no support, I'm not gonna pursue a policy change. But my opinion won't be changing in the slightest. The IMFDB policy is very flawed and is only maintained out of sheer laziness. --Wuzh (talk) 18:03, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Hey I'm just one user who provided a counterargument, I don't decide things around here or anything so don't be defeated so quick - at least give it a bit and see how others respond. Not saying it will make a change happen per-say but who knows? That said you can have any opinion you like about the standards - I certainly don't agree with absolutely everything myself - but they're what we got and what we operate on; saying one way is poorer or better is mostly subjective. For the record, I'm pretty sure the RS&P were arrived at with some consideration and thought. Which brings me to my final 'for the record' remark: I doubt calling the rest of us lazy is going to gain you any support in anything. Just sayin'. StanTheMan (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Sorry. My meanings came out wrong. I meant that the policy was "lazy" in the sense that it was never challenged despite having obvious flaws. --Wuzh (talk) 20:05, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Clarification accepted, and kind of goes to my original point - Maybe it hasn't been challenged because it's just not that big an issue in the first place. Again just sayin'. StanTheMan (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2019 (EST)

Frankly I'm unsure as to why the "The" rule exists at all aside from noone wanting to put in the effort to switch everything over. It's ugly and absolutely nowhere else does it. --Tamarin88 (talk) 19:40, 12 January 2019 (EST)

We had that discussion already. That being said Tamarin now you have made the insinuation I took issue with before - one that frankly peeves me quite a bit. That said, no I don't believe there is any dire need to go about such a massive wholesale change on the site that really will improve next-to-absolutely-nothing on here aside from satisfying some aesthetic ideal. Imply we're a bunch of lazy slobs for it if you want, but again that is one of the methods that is least likely to get us to consider changing anything. But perhaps no one has bothered putting forth the effort for this 'problem' because there is none and as such the effort is not nearly worth the bother. StanTheMan (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2019 (EST)

I totally agree with Stan. We have redirects for using on actors and guns pages. And site technical administrators have enough troubles with maintaining its current status, without being distracted by doubtful offers. Greg-Z (talk) 14:53, 13 January 2019 (EST)

Weird redirects on mobile

When opening the site on mobile for... let's say, the first time in a day: am I the only one who automatically gets redirected to strange websites like tlgram.me and something like sls gateway? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:57, 20 January 2019 (EST)

I checked it just now (it's first time in a day) and found no problems. You are logged or not? Sometimes there are various pop-ups for unregistered users, maybe it's this case? Greg-Z (talk) 08:24, 20 January 2019 (EST)

Eh, it's unrelated to those pop-ups. I'm indeed logged in, and it's almost always the Recent Changes link that I open for the first time. The issue started happening with me 2-3 months ago, and I thought it was temporary, but it's still occurring as of now. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:01, 20 January 2019 (EST)

Have you eliminated the possibility that it's malware on your phone? Evil Tim (talk) 10:07, 20 January 2019 (EST)

Well, not that it's impossible, but aside from the fact that I commonly clean it up for maintenance/optimization, this literally only happens with this website (which is why I asked). Maybe it depends on the browser used or something; but anyway I'll make some more thorough cleanup and see if this persists. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:59, 20 January 2019 (EST)

Exactly the same problem. Using Chrome on Galaxy Note 4. Lunar Watcher (talk) 19:37, 20 January 2019 (EST)

I need to chime in on this. I've been getting this re-direct for the past few months on two different phones (Sony Xperia XZ and XZ2 Premium, both on Chrome). -- HashiriyaR32 (talk) 21:35, 20 January 2019 (EST)

^ So I'm not the only one. I'm using Chrome too, on a Galaxy device. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:14, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Also checked some other browsers (namely, default Galaxy's browser, Opera and UC). I didn't get redirects on default browser (the only one on my phone without any kind of adblocker). Looks like it's Chrome's problem. Lunar Watcher (talk) 19:19, 27 January 2019 (EST)

I was wrong. Lunar Watcher (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2019 (EST)

This shouldn't be happening and I'm looking into it now. It's very strange because I can't consistently reproduce it. If someone has a setup where it always happens I can try and create a virtual environment with those properties and track it down. --bunni (talk) 14:32, 26 February 2019 (EST)

Looks like no more redirects. Thanks! Lunar Watcher (talk) 00:53, 20 April 2019 (EDT)

Some type of Non-Gun???

Need some help identifying this. This pistol is obviously some kind of prop Non-Gun, as it just makes a flash once fired with no moving parts or shells ejected. I thought it might be some Colt model at first but it looks a bit too short. Theakker3 (talk) 19:37, 26 February 2019 (EST)

Here is a very clear picture of it. Any ideas???

Can anyone make out what this is?

I am not too keen on revolvers to begin with. I thought maybe a Smith & Wesson Model 15 but the barrel looks too short. Anyone have any ideas?

Looks like a rubber cast of a Smith and Wesson Model 27 with a 3.5" barrel. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 10:43, 27 February 2019 (EST)

Editing this image

Can't seem to edit this image since it doesn't have a category. Ominae (talk) 09:22, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

That's a random bug that can sometimes happen. It should be fixed if an admin deletes the file and directly restores it.. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:55, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

I just tried deleting the file and restoring. No change. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:52, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

Ok I've reuploaded it under a new file name. Can you delete this and this? Then we will be able to rename this into the original title "Beretta8000CougarF.jpg" and avoid having to change the name in all pages. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:01, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

I didn't see your message before I deleted and reuploaded the same image under the same name. It did fix it though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

What should be done when a user objects to the decisions of an administrator?

What should be done if a user objects to the actions or decisions of an administrator? If a user accuses an administrator of behaving improperly, or has a dispute with an administrator's actions (i.e. a dispute not on content, but on conduct), is there any form of arbitration process (like on Wikipedia) to resolve the dispute? --Wuzh (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

Ban, of course. Administrators are therefore administrators, because nobody argues with them. --Slon95 (talk) 15:40, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

This question is just in case, or on some specific occasion? Greg-Z (talk) 16:37, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

Eh, it is a legitimate question - I will say being an admin doesn't give one license to act or be 'high and mighty'. IF that is actually the case, mind you - Which I personally don't think to be so much, either generally or in regards to a particular admin and issue that precipitated this query (Yes you know who and what I'm talking about). For the most part the admins do just fine, yes even that sometimes overbearing Tim bastard. :P As for the question of recourse on a 'what if' basis, well, only thing I can suggest (beyond the already existing and proffered process of talking it out directly) is consulting with the other admins and/or bunni. But even I who have butted heads a time or two stress it's not something to do lightly. StanTheMan (talk) 16:48, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

For the record, my decision to ask the question is influenced by the "recent incident", though not completely. I had personally went into conflict with the administration a few times. Most of the time I decided to back down and not pursue further when situation begins to escalate. While I was never banned because of those conflicts, the manner these previous disputes were handled made me feel uncomfortable about the administration of IMFDB. The recent incident made me decide to come out and ask if there is any form of professionally conducted arbitration process to resolve disputes that do get out of hand. --Wuzh (talk) 17:13, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

I'm not aware of any formal arbitration process, I always tell users to work it out on the talk page. I don't care how old you are, I expect all users to act with maturity and civility. (And if we're talking about the same user, I'd like to point out that the temporary ban has already expired.) I personally make a point to avoid publicly contradicting my fellow admins, and it would seem my fellow admins agree. The last time I saw an admin publicly contradict another, it was turning a temporary ban into a permanent one. We do have an admin only section on the forum where we can discuss things in private however. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:42, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

There's no formal process, it's yet to have ever really been an issue. I'm sure we'll make something up if it ever does. In that specific instance, Alex was demanding I discuss something when I already had discussed it on the other user's talk page. I would say the best way is "discuss your issue with the admin in question" and the worst way is "edit war with the admin." Or even more simply, if you're instructed to stop doing something, nobody is going to ban you for discussing the matter, but they are going to ban you for just doing the same thing again. Evil Tim (talk) 00:29, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

I do agree that Alex was wrong to edit war with an admin. The event was more of a catalyst that made me decide to come out and speak up my mind.

Frankly speaking, I am OK with the solution of just "work it all out on the talk page". It's just that I guess on some level we're just not that good at discussing. Evil Tim and Slon95's discussion on whether or not the Fedorov Avtomat magazines were or were not hand-fitted for example. It escalated the situation, did not generate constructive discussion (neither side was providing verified sources of information), and ended only because one side decided to not pursue further. There's a --Wuzh (talk) 00:56, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

It escalated it to a point where one side backed down, it's not ideal in any sense but it prevents some prolonged banter in the talk page about whose source is right and whose source is wrong. For my two cents, it doesn't really matter if swapping mags was accurate for a Federov or not, BF 1 would've done it anyway even if there's a well regarded source saying they didn't. This is the same game where people can somehow carry around full size M1917 machine guns without splitting in half, realism isn't their priority. --PaperCake 14:39, 6 April 2019 (EST)

need help identifying revolver

File:Hdtfrevolver.jpg

it looks like a smith and wesson model 500 but chambered in .44 magnum

Yeah, that's the extended barrel M500

Smith & Wesson Model 500 (10.5" barrel) with extended ejector shroud, accessory rail, and sling - .500 S&W Magnum

Couple of little changes like the flash hider design and length of rail. As a videogame gun, chambering doesn't really matter because you could say it was chambered for any calibre you like. Evil Tim (talk) 16:05, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

thanks bub TheExplodingBarrel (talk) 16:09, 6 April 2019 (EDT) i also forgot to actually sign my post in the original one

On second thoughts, looks like they may have based it partly on this Performance Center gun, which is actually a Model 629. Evil Tim (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

File:Hdtfrevolver.jpg

Performance Center Smith & Wesson Model 629 .44 Magnum Hunter - .44 Magnum

Seems all they did was remove the panel that says Performance Center and mess up the flash hider a bit. Evil Tim (talk) 16:25, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

there is an unused alternate texture set that does match the 629 image you found

File:Hdtfrevolver2.jpg

TheExplodingBarrel (talk) 16:32, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

Was going to say the cylinder isn't nearly big enough for the X-frames. This is indeed based off the .44. StanTheMan (talk) 21:48, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

Oh dear gosh, that's Hunt Down the Freeman. I (thankfully) haven't played it, but I saw footage of it on YouTube, and I can agree with everybody else you might encounter that it's one of the most laughable Half-Life mods (if not THE most laughable). I've been wondering if someone here would end up purchasing it, let alone screencapping it. @TheExplodingBarrel I wish you the best of luck :P --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:29, 2 May 2019 (EDT)

Need an assessment

Checking the Ace Attorney article again, I don't think the pistol I IDed as a Norinco QSZ-92 is it. I may have made a mistake. Ominae (talk) 09:26, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

It has an M1911 slide in the last image for whatever reason. Also, that SMG isn’t really a Grease Gun as it seems to only have a vertical foregrip, with the mag in the pistol grip like the Linda pistol.--AgentGumby (talk) 11:15, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

Was MP-131K ever imported to the USA?

Well, I, as always, stumbled upon another strangest thing: [1]. Note that the lower version is set in the "Ivan's Hammer" configuration. Also a box magazine is declared in 5 rounds (known MP-131Ks in Russia have only the 3-round magazines, apparently due to restrictions of the laws). From what I want to ask - was it implemented in reality? Or was it just another stillborn project (speaking of import)? --Slon95 (talk) 09:13, 18 May 2019 (EDT)

Two pages doesn't open in some browsers

I got a strange problem: two pages, Severino and Osceola, appear absolutely empty when opened in Internet Explorer and Chrome but they are OK in Firefox (tested on Windows 7 and Android). I copied all content from one of these page on a test page, and this test page opended correctly in IE and Chrome - so the problem is not in the page content. Titles of both pages have only standard Latin characters, no characters from extended charset. What it can be? Can anybody check these two pages in different browsers? Thanks for any help! --Greg-Z (talk) 03:35, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

That's weird... I tested it, and I got different results: the two pages failed to load on Firefox (Windows) and on counterparts of Internet Explorer (Windows and Android), but there's no problem on Chrome (for both platforms). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 04:29, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Many thanks! Curiouser and curiouser, as Carroll's Alice said... --Greg-Z (talk) 13:15, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

I had opened this page at the Notebook (Windows 7), Smartphone Sony and Nokia 5220 Xpress Music mobile phone. The resultes: when I had used the Notebook (Chrome and Firefox) the pages were opened without any problems, but, when I had used Internet Explorer, bath loads had been faild. When I had used the Smartphone (Chrome), both pages were failed to load. When I had used the mobile phone (opera mini), both pages were opened without any problems. A the near future, I shall trying to opens this pages at the PC (Windows XP) for another more tests. Also, I had remember, that some another pages also didn't opened on the my smartphone, but I complitely forgot it's titles. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:58, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

One more researches: at first I had been autorised on the Note boock in Chrome and Firefox, as Well as on the Nokia and didn't looged in at the Internet Explorer and Smartphone. After I had looged out in Chrome, the loads turns to be faild. After I had looged in in Internet Explorer, the pages become opened without any problems. So, when I had autorised, I can load this pages, when I'm not autorised, the pages didn't loads. Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:07, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Many thanks! Well, I suppose that the only way to fix it would be to delete and re-create these pages. So sad. --Greg-Z (talk) 05:29, 3 June 2019 (EDT)

Fixed. Case closed, thanks for help.--Greg-Z (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2019 (EDT)

Assessment by someone else aside from me

Article done right here.

I know the show's a bit heavy fantasy that there's going to be some alterations, but I'm wondering if the base weapon I identified is a bit right at least.

Ominae (talk) 10:44, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

Idea

I am a big Laurel & Hardy fan, and even though they had a lot of guns in their films, none of their films are on this site. I want to post their movies on here. How would you recommend going about their films? Would Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy each get their own page to list what guns they have used in what films, or would it just be the guns that Laurel & Hardy have used in what films? They had their full-length feature films, but a lot of them are shorts (20 to 30 minutes). I suppose that doesn't matter, as long as there are firearms in it Theakker3 (talk) 23:33, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

Stan Laurel with a Thompson M1928 in Pardon Us (1931)

Only features please. And each one would get their own page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:27, 28 June 2019 (EDT)

Any ideas?

I know the quality sucks, but can anyone identify what kind of double-barreled shotgun this is? The movie came out in 1932. Theakker3 (talk) 22:42, 29 June 2019 (EDT)

Billy Gilbert with a double-barreled shotgun in Pack up your Troubles (1932).

Could be a Lefever Nitro Special. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 23:09, 29 June 2019 (EDT)

What is the visual differences of Mauser C96 Bolo from Broomhandle

Hello! Excuse me, I have some request: may somebody tell me, what is the main visual differences between Mauser Bolo and Broomhandle, which allow to made the correct ID? Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:36, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

The "Bolo" (which isn't really an official designation; a bit like the MAC-10, it's an unofficial nickname that just sorta stuck) has a shorter barrel and grip than the standard Broomhandle. Take a look:

Here's a normal C96...

...and here's a Bolo.

Hopefully that clears things up. Cheers, Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 11:04, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

A great thanks! So, the "Bolo" is just a more compact Mauser variant. Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:27, 16 July 2019 (EDT)

A question to French-speaking colleagues

Can anybody with French language help to translate the following?

"Sur les deux photos ci-dessus il me semble que le FLG utilisé n'est pas un MAS 36,ou un de ses dérivés, mais plutôt un modèle réalisé spécifiquement pour la Police Nationale sur la base de Mauser Kar 98k (Photo n°2) ou d'US17 (Photo n°1) vers 1960 par la société MECA de Meaux. Ces FLG ;également baptisés "Fusils lance-grenades à détente"; tiraient des grenades à retard de types "Criquet" propulsées par une cartouche feuillette de "7,62 mm Long" (30-06) la chambre et le "canon" ayant été "étudiés pour" et ne permettant pas le tir à balle (J HUON)."

It is about French smoke grenade launcher, used by law enforcement in 1960s. I used google translator but it hardly can correctly translate all specific terms. Many thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 13:34, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

For starters, as you might have noticed, FLG stands for "fusil lance-grenades" (rifle w/ grenade launcher). In the firearms context, "détente" normally means trigger, though in that specific sentence I don't know what was exactly meant (I'm fluent in French, but I can sometimes be unfamiliar with some technical firearm-related terms). According to that article, the "cartouche feuillette" apparently isn't exactly a blank cartridge, but a propulsive cartridge named after the guy who invented it. Other than that, here's what the overall text means in English:

"In the two images above, it seems to me that the FLG used isn't a MAS 36 or one of its derivatives, but rather a model released specifically for the National Police on the basis of Mauser Kar 98k (image no. 2) or US17 (image no. 1) circa 1960 by the company MECA from Meaux. Those FLGs, also called "Fusils lance-grenades à détente", fired "Cricket" type timed grenades propelled by a feuillette cartridge of "7.62mm Long" (30-06), the chamber and the "barrel" having been "studied for" and not allowing bullet firing (J. Huon)"

And yes, the author of the comment wrote that last sentence a bit weirdly. But anyway, hope that helps a bit. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:08, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Thanks a lot! So, it appears to be an old rifle, 98k or Enfield M17 (I guess that US17 means this gun), fitted with Tromblon VB-style cup discharger and converted to special propulsive cartriges to launch a smoke grenade without risk of firing a bullet. This launcher appears in some French movies, like this one and now it's possible to describe it properly. I only wonder how we have to call it, as "Fusils lance-grenades à détente" seems to be a generic name for such kind of weapon rather than the service name of this particular weapon; and FLG is even more generic. --Greg-Z (talk) 09:43, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

I'm not sure if there was a specific designation to it, so I guess you can just identify it as a modified (and cut down) Kar 98k fitted with a Tromblon VB. In fact, it is mentioned in this forum that the Paris Prefecture used that weapon in the 1960s (more exactly, "a rifle with grenade launcher built around a standard Mauser rifle cut at the level of the first sling swivel with a mounted tromblon grenade launcher intended for the propulsion of "57mm cricket" grenades and propelled with a .30-06 propellant cartridge"), and the movie gun does look like the K98 shown in one of the images. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:26, 17 July 2019 (EDT)

And again thanks! So this weapon is found in two movies: Deux hommes dans la ville and Il était une fois un flic..., both early 1970s. I had to use a cropped footage as a sample of the weapon. It's interesting that original WW1 era Viven-Bessières launcher had 50mm or 51mm caliber (sources differ), and the smoke "tromblon" was slightly larger, 57mm, so these police launchers appear to be not converted old military VB but newly produced although technically the same. --Greg-Z (talk) 13:52, 17 July 2019 (EDT)

Awkward Template

Said template

This one looks ugly, but I don't know how to shrink the gray stuff that says "Showa Era" and "Heisei Era". Ominae (talk) 10:14, 30 July 2019 (EDT)

Fixed. If it's not what you want to see, just rollback my edit. :) --Greg-Z (talk) 11:35, 30 July 2019 (EDT)

Thanks. It's good. Ominae (talk) 10:12, 7 August 2019 (EDT)