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Ominae
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Mandolin: /* Some actual sources */
2021-03-24T22:41:51Z
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>7. Per the [https://books.google.com/books?id=gBUL2tIZ2PYC&pg=PA562&dq=DEPARTMENT+OF+DEFENSE+APPROPRIATIONS+FOR+1986+dragon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqg7Dw9MnvAhVKEVkFHWZnDfcQ6AEwAHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=smaw&f=false 1986 hearing] (page 498), Dragon III's dual-charge warhead is "several hundred millimeters" more powerful than SMAW's anti-armor round, which is stated at 600mm (okay, technically it says that SMAW is several hundred millimeters less powerful than <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">improvedDragon</del>, but whatever). This would put the Dragon III at 800-900mm penetration.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>7. Per the [https://books.google.com/books?id=gBUL2tIZ2PYC&pg=PA562&dq=DEPARTMENT+OF+DEFENSE+APPROPRIATIONS+FOR+1986+dragon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqg7Dw9MnvAhVKEVkFHWZnDfcQ6AEwAHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=smaw&f=false 1986 hearing] (page 498), Dragon III's dual-charge warhead is "several hundred millimeters" more powerful than SMAW's anti-armor round, which is stated at 600mm (okay, technically it says that SMAW is several hundred millimeters less powerful than <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">improved Dragon</ins>, but whatever). This would put the Dragon III at 800-900mm penetration.</div></td></tr>
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Mandolin
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Mandolin: /* Some actual sources */ new section
2021-03-24T22:40:15Z
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">1. Dragon II and III are real, also known as Dragon PIP and PIP II respectively. No primary source supports the existence of Super Dragon, which I believe is the result of confusion with Dragon III. </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">2. I do not believe Dragon II+ exists. Dragon II has the same motor as base Dragon, extending the guidance wire just results in the missile falling out of the sky at a roughly a kilomter. [http://www.redstararms.com/b2113.pdf B2113] is the only source for such a range, and I'm still dubious of it.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">3. Okay, I managed to track down the 1990 manual for the Dragon, couldn't figure out where the Mk 1 came from. Seems to match with this 1986 [https://books.google.com/books?id=gBUL2tIZ2PYC&pg=PA562&dq=DEPARTMENT+OF+DEFENSE+APPROPRIATIONS+FOR+1986+dragon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqg7Dw9MnvAhVKEVkFHWZnDfcQ6AEwAHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=dragon&f=false appropriations hearing] (page 662) where the new warhead is said to be about 1lb heavier, though by 1988 it's "[https://books.google.com/books?id=P2UcAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA751&dq=dod+appropriations+1988&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHqf7v78nvAhXyGVkFHW5LCNsQ6AEwA3oECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=dragon&f=false under two pounds]" heavier</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">6. Per [https://books.google.com/books?id=P2UcAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA751&dq=dod+appropriations+1988&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHqf7v78nvAhXyGVkFHW5LCNsQ6AEwA3oECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=dragon&f=false this 1988 hearing], Dragon III is the 1,500 meter range version and weighs 52lb. As the new day/night tracker weighs 16lb [https://books.google.com/books?id=Q3gfAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA2&dq=Department+of+Defense+Appropriations+1989&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp_a-I-MnvAhXvFVkFHQRdBhIQ6AEwA3oECAEQAg#v=snippet&q=Dragon&f=false per here], this suggests that Dragon III is 36lb without tracker. It also has a dual shaped charge head, and is now [https://books.google.com/books?id=lA5wVrTBNPEC&pg=PA101&dq=DEPARTMENT+OF+DEFENSE+APPROPRIATIONS+1990&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ_d6l-cnvAhVIEVkFHXnmC18Q6AEwA3oECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=dragon&f=false laser homing] The ~6lb increase over Dragon II would be the new motor, new seeker, and extra charge in front of the retained Dragon II warhead.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">7. Per the [https://books.google.com/books?id=gBUL2tIZ2PYC&pg=PA562&dq=DEPARTMENT+OF+DEFENSE+APPROPRIATIONS+FOR+1986+dragon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqg7Dw9MnvAhVKEVkFHWZnDfcQ6AEwAHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=smaw&f=false 1986 hearing] (page 498), Dragon III's dual-charge warhead is "several hundred millimeters" more powerful than SMAW's anti-armor round, which is stated at 600mm (okay, technically it says that SMAW is several hundred millimeters less powerful than improvedDragon, but whatever). This would put the Dragon III at 800-900mm penetration.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A such: Dragon III is a thing, Super isn't. Base Dragon is 330mm/13", Dragon II is 610mm/24", Dragon III is 800mm/31.5" to 900mm/35.4" penetration. Base and II are 1,000m range, III is 1,500m. Dragon II+ is probably not a real thing.</ins></div></td></tr>
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Mandolin: Turns out Forcast is 100% wrong, I found a better source
2020-03-26T20:50:26Z
<p>Turns out Forcast is 100% wrong, I found a better source</p>
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Mandolin: Created page with "This is the closest I've ever come to finding an actual source on the Dragon's performance, the manual never says pen and there are some other (less credible) sources that gen..."
2018-09-11T19:26:59Z
<p>Created page with "This is the closest I've ever come to finding an actual source on the Dragon's performance, the manual never says pen and there are some other (less credible) sources that gen..."</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>This is the closest I've ever come to finding an actual source on the Dragon's performance, the manual never says pen and there are some other (less credible) sources that generally agree.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 15:26, 11 September 2018 (EDT) <br />
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