Talk:Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig

Well, shit. I screwed up the article title and then made a note about spelling it right. That's embarrasingly silly of me.

Good job

Looking good so far Excalibur01 14:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

American troops in Mexico conflict

I could be mistaken as I haven't seen this episode in a while, but weren't the American soldiers in this episode American Empire troops as opposed to US? As someone familiar with the series would presumably know, the United States after WW3 was fractured into three separate countries and the United States as it existed in 2020 (consisting of Washington state, Arizona, Utah, Montana, North & South Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin) wasn't in any shape, economically or militarily, to wage war beyond its borders. Spartan198 18:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Well if I remember something, Batou was with the "American" troops in Latin America. I'd need to rewatch the episode again, but they also mentioned he was with the SEAL. Excalibur01 02:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

He has a Japanese flag on his BDU shirt in this episode, so he's clearly with the Japanese contingent in Mexico. He did mention being "with the Rangers" in a couple other episodes, but I don't think he was referring to the American ones. In a later episode, he revealed himself to members of a military/paramilitary unit with the same prosthetic eyes as him saying "I'm one of you", but this was a J-SDF Special Ops unit, not an American one. At any rate, I'm watching this episode as we speak, so I can at least confirm whether these American troops are US, AE, or RAA. Spartan198 14:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

They were AE troops. On a side note, it bugged me how the Americans in that episode were portrayed as reckless and prone to panicking at the slightest little thing. Spartan198 14:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

That's pretty much the Japanese stereotype on Americans before World War II, it's interesting to see that it's somehow resurfaced (in the anime world at least), and it's not uncommon for anime to portray Japanese characters superior to characters from other countries.--Wildcards 20:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Again, the AMR in this season looks like an L39, not an NTW-20.

It's funny when Saito says "I once was up against a world class sniper in a duel",And the fact that he had a Blaser 93 Tactical Sniper rifle and The Major had an Walther WA2000 with an extended clip and a type of Red dot or holographic sight. I'm very interested in that fact that everyone else in the UN Special forces squad used full automatics and Kusanagi happen to choose a Semi automatic. Tac-Shooter 17:30, 6 August 2010

Well that's because the Major is badass. And come on Tac-shooter. It's MAG, not CLIP. Magazine are the boxes that stores the bullets to feed into the gun to be fired. Clips are strips of metal that feds the magazine and helps load faster. Excalibur01 14:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I thought Major has an assault rifle, but switched to the Walther WA2000 when realizing they were in a sniper dual. And yes America is now three separate country. the American Empire, the United States of America, and the Russo-American Alliance

link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Ghost_in_the_Shell

A running plot point in several of Masamune Shirow's works is that the United States breaks up into several countries, its slightly different in each version. In the Ghost in the Shell storyline, they don't explain exactly how this happened, but the USA broke up into "The American Empire" (basically the Red States of the South), "The Russo-American Alliance" (basically the Blue States of the northeast and west coast), and the rump state "United States of America" (a handful of mountain and prairie states). Keep in mind that a nuclear World War III happened, followed by a non-nuclear World War IV, and their society has been rebuilding for a while; Japan is one of the few really stable countries anymore, with many former states having balkanized into smaller factions. "The American Empire" faction is really aggressive -- apparently it cannot fight the Russo-American Alliance because this would trigger a new global war, so it vents its frustration by beating up on Latin America a lot. While not the main antagonists of the series, they're presented as fairly slimy and bad guys often try to defect to them. Of course its not the "real" United States, so GITS gets to get away with portraying them so negatively. Keep in mind that this is social fiction from a Japanese standpoint where "hahah in 30 years the US will be having internal problems like Japan did in the 1960's". --V 22:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I've been reading some of the Japanese background material, and it stated that the United States was actually only spit in two, American Empire and the Russo-American Alliance. In 2nd Gig, the Prime Minister also only mentioned that Japan needs to have stable relationship with both Americas, the existence of a country still named "United States" was never mentioned in the series. Maybe the US was spit into three countries in Appleseed, but that doesn't means its the case in GITS universe.--Wildcards 17:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Well Appleseed and GITS do exist in the same universe, but it is never clear what year they take place in. Neither really mention much of the world outside its own country Excalibur01 17:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention the fact that Shirow retconed a lot of the back stories of each franchise after the USSR fell.--PistolJunkie 18:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, a world map in a screenshot taken from SAC2G (I think, as that's the one that revolves heavily around the American Empire) clearly shows the continental United States with three national borders on it, though admittedly those borders don't conform exactly to the "United States" I outlined above. http://spawn.net.ru/ghost-in-the-shell/data/map/World_Map.jpg True, a "United States" of the period was never expressly mentioned in the series, but that doesn't necessarily mean it didn't exist. Mexico is a country in Latin America in the GitS universe (as it is in real life), but so are Guatemala, Honduras, Belize even though they aren't mentioned. Doesn't mean they don't exist or have become "South Mexico" in 2020, though. While I'm not very familiar with the manga, the series seems to imply that the AE is implied to be the only America on the world political stage that retains any of the prestige of the United States we know of today. As far as what year GiTS is set (and taking into account the Mexico conflict occurring in 2020), it can't be set beyond 2030 when one considers that Saito and Ishkawa are (aside from Togusa) the least cyberized of the group. Appleseed, by contrast, doesn't really fit the GitS timeline as it (according to the 2004 movie) takes place in the 22nd century, immediately following the Third World War which Deunan and others were still fighting despite the fact that it was over (whereas WWIII in GitS took place prior to 2020 as well as having a WWIV occurring at some point in there, too... a WWIV that isn't acknowledged in Appleseed AFAIK). PJ's right about Shirow's retcons, though. Prior to 1991, the Russo-American Alliance was referred to as the "Ameri-Soviet Union". I know there's still a lot of animosity regarding Hiroshima and Nagasaki lingering about (Wikipedia at one time even had the dropping of the atom bombs classified as "war crimes" with punishment listed as "no action taken"), so maybe Masamune Shirow is holder of some of that animosity and GitS is his way of letting it out? I know if events were reversed, I wouldn't exactly be happy with Japan over dropping nuclear weapons on two American cities. Whew... that was longer than I thought it would be. XD Spartan198 01:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The "Russio-American Alliance" gave me a bit of a chuckle. We know no country would stay as a world power forever and another one rise up, but I don't believe how would America and Russia would get together like that. The borders looks stupid as hell. I can understand a fractured US, but the way it was partition is ridiculous. If anything, Texas would have been independent solely on the basis that there is this movement for succession, but the way where no explanation is given on how the US fractured like this makes it hard to believe. The sheer amount of border conflicts within those areas would happen constantly. Excalibur01 02:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The name disparity between the Russo-American Alliance and the Ameri-Soviet Union is actually the result of translation, not retcon. In 2ng Gig, the state is still referred to as the Ameri-Soviet Union in the English translation. Also, did anyone else notice how absolutely shredded Europe is? There must have lost most of their landmass. Do current or near future nuclear weapons really have the potential to just poke holes like they appear to in that map?

Derringer

There was something about the derringer i have seen off this website It's Called the Bond Arms double barrel pistol. it fires .410 shells & .45 long colt If anyone can put it here that would be cool

That's called a Bond Arms Snake Slayer, and the Derringer in 2nd GIG is not a Bond Arms. The Bond Arms derringer series has a large switch to open the action located on the left side just behind the lower barrel, a feature not present here. Also, sign your posts.--PistolJunkie 19:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Revamp

I will be revising this article over the next several days just like the SAC page.

• Progress: Episodes 26 / 26

--PistolJunkie 05:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

THE PAGE IS FINISHED!--PistolJunkie 05:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Although you have forgotten to correct the aspect ratio of the pictures, something that's not uncommon due to the way DVDs are mastered and due to the fact that most people don't notice aspect ratio problems as easily. I'll fix this --Nukleon 16:11, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

Cybernetic Sights

It should be noted that the MP7 in "Re-Embody" and the WA2000 in "Poker Face" both use cybernetic sights. These can easily be identified by the cable feeding from the sight to the dataports on the back of the user's neck. Although it would be entirely possible to have wireless cybernetic sights, the security advantages of using a simple cable are obvious. On the MP7 in Re-Embody, it appears to be a combination red-dot and cybernetic sight. The WA2000 used by Kusanagi in Poker Face however, is a fully cybernetic sight that requires a fully prosthetic user (likely due to the reflexes required to adjust for hitting a speeding bullet head-on with another bullet). --Gunhead 03:17, 28 June 2011 (CDT)