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:I think that the main reason it is so confusing is that there have been so many different prototypes and variants of the FAMAS (some of which share names whilst there are others that have multiple names) that it is incredibly hard to actually work out the family tree of this weapon. I think the reason that people tend to call the Valorisé the Félin is because the original model of the Félin looked a lot like this, as it didn't have the dual grips like it does now, it was more like a formal FAMAS with a control module attached to the bottom of the handguard wired to a scope on the rail. I think our Valorisé image is actually a photoshop or prototype, as I think it should have a G2 style smooth barrel, like the original Félin prototype as well. I believe that the current non-Félin rifle is actually called the Surbaissé rather than the Valorisé, as seen [http://abload.de/img/car106ftp4d.jpg here]. I do not know if this is just a name change (the new name makes more sense for its role), or if they are different variants. I think it is the latter as the front sight design has changed from the original rifle to the current issue one, however it may be that the name change happened after this variant was adopted, I'm not sure. Either way, I believe that it is wrong that we list the bottom image as a Surbaissé, as it has the dual Félin pistol grips. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:30, 9 February 2017 (EST) | :I think that the main reason it is so confusing is that there have been so many different prototypes and variants of the FAMAS (some of which share names whilst there are others that have multiple names) that it is incredibly hard to actually work out the family tree of this weapon. I think the reason that people tend to call the Valorisé the Félin is because the original model of the Félin looked a lot like this, as it didn't have the dual grips like it does now, it was more like a formal FAMAS with a control module attached to the bottom of the handguard wired to a scope on the rail. I think our Valorisé image is actually a photoshop or prototype, as I think it should have a G2 style smooth barrel, like the original Félin prototype as well. I believe that the current non-Félin rifle is actually called the Surbaissé rather than the Valorisé, as seen [http://abload.de/img/car106ftp4d.jpg here]. I do not know if this is just a name change (the new name makes more sense for its role), or if they are different variants. I think it is the latter as the front sight design has changed from the original rifle to the current issue one, however it may be that the name change happened after this variant was adopted, I'm not sure. Either way, I believe that it is wrong that we list the bottom image as a Surbaissé, as it has the dual Félin pistol grips. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:30, 9 February 2017 (EST) | ||
::So in a nutshell, the page's section is a mess :P --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:16, 10 February 2017 (EST) | ::So in a nutshell, the page's section is a mess :P --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:16, 10 February 2017 (EST) | ||
| + | :::Well, at least it's reflecting the weapon itself, then :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:31, 4 April 2017 (EDT) | ||
Revision as of 21:31, 4 April 2017
Additional Images
Actual Variants
Airsoft Variants
Discussion
Does anyone know if any other countries use the FAMAS besides France?--Mpe2010 13:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS#Users That should have them. --74.177.135.205 14:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
- According to Wikipedia, the Republic of Djibouti, Gabon, special forces groups in Indonesia, the Republic of Senegal, the United Arab Emirates, Lebanon, and the Philippine Special Forces use the FAMAS.--ThePotShot 14:31, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Which makes sense since they are all former french colonial possessions.
- For more FYI, Indonesia, the Philippines and UAE aren't French colonies. They just bought them (mostly) for spec ops use. I know the Special Action Force and Kopassus use them as one of their main ARs. Ominae 14:54, 4 March 2012 (CST)
Hmmm. The picture of the FAMAS G2 on this page is actually of a G1 which is the intermediate model between the F1 and G2. The G1 has the older F1 magazine-well and uses the old F1 magazines, wheres the the G2 has a fuller magazine-well and can only accept NATO STANAG magazines. Check here http://world.guns.ru/assault/as21-e.htm
On a side note, the FAMAS in Metal Gear Solid is modeled after Tokyo Marui FAMAS, which in turn is modeled after the FAMAS G1. I think the FAMAS entries for Metal Gear Solid and Twin Snakes should be changed to the FAMAS G1 instead of the FAMAS G2.
New image for G2
Am I the only one who thinks that it was a bad idea to overwrite a standard FAMAS G2 pic with the image of a G2 with F1-style trigger guard?? I cannot find any page with that configuration. --bozitojugg3rn4ut 13:06, 4 March 2012 (CST)
The Search for the FAMAS' replacement
Fans of this gun may be interested in knowing the circumstances behind this gun's upcoming replacement in the future. I happened upon a guest blogger's post that explains the problematic circumstances the French Army is currently in and how the efforts to replace the FAMAS are being affected. If that blogger's words are true, then the French Army is deep in the merde. --Mazryonh 22:00, 28 August 2012 (CDT)
Pretty sure they decided to officially replace it with an HK417 variant although they'll still buy some SCAR-Ls as well since SF use them already Recon42 (talk) 15:04, 28 January 2013 (EST)Recon42
F1 Images
They're both virtually identical. I think we could do to delete one of them. Spartan198 (talk) 09:48, 12 October 2014 (EDT)
The FAMAS in current news
Check out the current FAMAS configuration in this News Photograph. This shot was in the news as of March 25th, 2013. Note: this is a news image and thus not an image for the IMFDB pages, but I thought it would be interesting to see. :) MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 00:31, 26 March 2013 (EDT)
- France have F'd around with the FELIN compatible FAMAS so much at this point the number of variants is ridiculous. They had one based on the F1 with curved bipod legs, then the G1 with straight legs, a G2 one (STANAG mags) which had a metal guard around the bottom, then back to one with the FAMAS mags with a polymer guard around the bottom with a separate little guard around the front grip and curved bipod legs, then back to a STANAG mags one with straight bipod legs but without the front guard or the ribbed grenade barrel, and then finally this one with curved bipod legs and a proprietary mag well. I am probably missing variants as well, it seems like the development has been a bit of a rocky road to say the least. I also like the fact that it has all the integration and controls for the laser rangefinder, eyepiece sight and all that, and they just slap an EOTech on the top and call it a day. --commando552 (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2013 (EDT)
Personal Discussion
I know this is a bit off-topic, but let's see a show of imaginary hands as to who has seen one of these in person. Here's mine: (I don't really know a good, concise way of drawing a hand with text, so just picture that I did). Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:22, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
- You'll likely see them, especially now, if you ever go to France. I took this near the Eiffel Tower: https://www.flickr.com/photos/43827259@N08/14563528133/in/dateposted/
- --AgentGumby (talk) 00:02, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
- Yes, you can see them easily if you spend some time around urban France. But aren't the FAMAS rifles due to be replaced soon, given that they can't use NATO standard brass-cased 5.56mm ammunition and have a unique firing action unlike the ubiquitous M4A1 rifle? --Mazryonh (talk) 22:05, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
- I saw one on a trip a few years ago. We were going on a family trip across Europe, and one of the destinations was France (both to sightsee and to visit family). At one point, we visited Versailles, where we saw soldiers out front with FAMAS F1s. Oddly, at least one had no magazine loaded. Does anybody know why? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:02, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
- Some military organisations that have a sort of police role do this on occasion, the logic being that it is safer than carrying around a loaded gun from an ND point of view, but also if the rifle is snatched or otherwise lost (e.g. the soldier leans it against the wall of a bathroom while taking a piss and forgets to pick it back up, which has happened) it doesn't have any ammunition in it. --commando552 (talk) 16:15, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
- Thanks for the explanation; that makes some sense. Also, that reminds me of the one time a police officer left a rifle just lying on the trunk of his car, out in the open, while he wasn't around, and anybody could "borrow" (read: steal, sell to a crime syndicate, and use the money to fund their heroin addiction) it. I'm not sure what about that is most remarkable: the overall good will of people (in a major city, no less) for not stealing it, the officer's stupidity for leaving it there, or the department's stupidity for hiring such a person. See you later. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 01:02, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
- Some military organisations that have a sort of police role do this on occasion, the logic being that it is safer than carrying around a loaded gun from an ND point of view, but also if the rifle is snatched or otherwise lost (e.g. the soldier leans it against the wall of a bathroom while taking a piss and forgets to pick it back up, which has happened) it doesn't have any ammunition in it. --commando552 (talk) 16:15, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
- I saw one on a trip a few years ago. We were going on a family trip across Europe, and one of the destinations was France (both to sightsee and to visit family). At one point, we visited Versailles, where we saw soldiers out front with FAMAS F1s. Oddly, at least one had no magazine loaded. Does anybody know why? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:02, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
FÉLIN/Valorisé
Granted, the FÉLIN and the Valorisé are different variants, as stated in the FAMAS FÉLIN section, but it appears that they are being confused in media where the weapon appears. What's with that? I think that the weapon shown in this website is actually the Valorisé, and not the FÉLIN. Any ideas? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:12, 9 February 2017 (EST)
- I think that the main reason it is so confusing is that there have been so many different prototypes and variants of the FAMAS (some of which share names whilst there are others that have multiple names) that it is incredibly hard to actually work out the family tree of this weapon. I think the reason that people tend to call the Valorisé the Félin is because the original model of the Félin looked a lot like this, as it didn't have the dual grips like it does now, it was more like a formal FAMAS with a control module attached to the bottom of the handguard wired to a scope on the rail. I think our Valorisé image is actually a photoshop or prototype, as I think it should have a G2 style smooth barrel, like the original Félin prototype as well. I believe that the current non-Félin rifle is actually called the Surbaissé rather than the Valorisé, as seen here. I do not know if this is just a name change (the new name makes more sense for its role), or if they are different variants. I think it is the latter as the front sight design has changed from the original rifle to the current issue one, however it may be that the name change happened after this variant was adopted, I'm not sure. Either way, I believe that it is wrong that we list the bottom image as a Surbaissé, as it has the dual Félin pistol grips. --commando552 (talk) 12:30, 9 February 2017 (EST)
- So in a nutshell, the page's section is a mess :P --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:16, 10 February 2017 (EST)
