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Miscellaneous

Knife-Crafters Throwing Knife

The Knife-Crafters throwing knife appears in the Alpha as the "Throwing Knife".

Attachments

Sights

Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk II

The late model (1941) Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk II is called the "Spitfire Mk. 3 Reflector" and is seen being attached to an StG 44 in the Playstation Alpha trailer. In reality, the Mk II was an aircraft sight and its usage in a handheld weapon configuration is impossible due to the bulk and its need for an external power supply. The crosshairs are absent in game and only the central dot is used akin to a modern red dot sight. It is also miniaturized to the size of a modern micro red dot sight which would have been impossible with the technology of the 1940s.

Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk III

The Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk III is seen being attached to an StG 44 in promotional screenshots. In reality, the Mk III was an aircraft sight and its usage in a handheld weapon configuration is impossible due to the bulk and its need for an external power supply. It is also miniaturized to the size of a modern holographic sight which would have been impossible with the technology of the 1940s.

Bell & Howell Reflector Gun Sight Mk VIII

The Bell & Howell Reflector Gun Sight Mk VIII, a US modification of the British early model Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk II, appears as the "Mustang Mk. 8 Reflector". In reality, the Mk VIII was an aircraft sight and its usage in a handheld weapon configuration is impossible due to the bulk and its need for an external power supply. The crosshairs are absent in game and only the central dot is used akin to a modern red dot sight. It is also miniaturized to the size of a modern micro red dot sight which would have been impossible with the technology of the 1940s.

Nydar Model 47

The Nydar Model 47 Sight is seen in the Playstation Alpha trailer. It is depicted as being slightly smaller compared to the real thing probably to make it easier to fit to the various weapon models. The Nydar was introduced in 1945 so technically it is anachronistic for all segments of the game. Moreover, it was not a military device and as such it never saw combat action. The Nydar was intended as a sight for shotgun hunters, to aid in firing on flying birds, however, it didn't become popular.

Mark III Free Mounted Gun Reflector Sight

The Mark III Free Mounted Gun Reflector Sight appears as the "Mk 3 Sunfilter" for Axis weapons. In reality, the Mk3 was an aircraft sight and one being used in a handheld weapon configuration is highly improbable as it needs an external power supply.

"Monocular Reflector"

The "Monocular Reflector" appears to be a hybrid of the Nydar Model 47 Sight and the OKP-7 reflex sight. Both are anachronistic, with the OKP-7 originating from the late 1990s or early 2000s and the Nydar from 1945. It has a green dot, like the OKP-7.

"Slate Reflector"

The "Slate Reflector" bears some similarity to the "G.I. Mini Reflex" sight from Modern Warfare.

ZF4 Scope

The ZF4 scope is seen in the Alpha as the "ZF4 3.5x Rifle Scope" (in reality, it is a 4x scope not 3.5x). It is reusing the anachronistic and inaccurate PSO-like reticle from Modern Warfare's "VLK 3.0x Optic" instead of the proper "German #1" style reticle.

4-Power NTC Kogaku Scope

The 4-Power NTC Kogaku scope is seen in the Alpha as the "Type 99 Mod. 2 7x Telescopic" (in reality, it is a 4x scope not 2.7x). It can be attached to the Mosin Nagant.

Foregrips

Thompson foregrip

The Thompson foregrip is available as the "M1093 Madsen" grip, which is a very unusual name, as the Thompson grip as it appears in-game first appeared on an early "Annihilator" prototype from 1919, and the Madsen machine gun has nothing to do with the Thompson, nor does it have a foregrip.

"1941 Handstop"

A custom angled/handstop style foregrip is featured in the alpha. While makeshift vertical foregrips were used in WWII, the angled/handstop design is heavily anachronistic as these were first conceived in the 2000s or 2010s.

Discussion

Call of Duty Vanguard aka COD WWII 2: Pacific Boogaloo

Note, images and info are from leaks, so nothing's final..yet. Reveal trailer will be coming real soon, will move to main page when that does.

Possible cover art depicting the main characters in the campaign.
Possible season pass stuff, showing operators and their wacky WWII guns again.
Top image has (right to left) a Mosin with a PU scope, a Type 100, a Lee-Enfield No. 4 (and what looks like a holstered M1911, or something of the sort), and a Sten Mk. II. With a drum mag. Again. Hooray...
Also, those promo guns look, for lack of a better word, horrible. I mean, really? A hybrid Mk. I/V Sten with a suppressor and one of those aircraft MG reflex sights? A longer-barreled MP41 with a tiny scope, a muzzle brake, and a Thompson foregrip? Plus a hilariously gaudy-looking PPSh, a screwed-up shorty Sturmgewehr with what looks like a ~20 round straight mag and a vertical foregrip, a cut-down Type 100 with a handstop(?), and what I can only assume is supposed to be a Mosin (based purely on context and the scope, since practically no feature of the actual rifle looks like a Mosin). I was hoping that they'd've learned their lessons from COD:WWII, but it seems they've instead doubled down on everything wrong with that game's aesthetics, plus everything wrong with BOCW's for good measure. Just... why?

Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 12:21, 14 August 2021 (EDT)

This PPSh looks like a water toygun, LOLest. --Slon95 (talk) 12:29, 14 August 2021 (EDT)
Thank the lord its a Cold War blueprint, not a Vanguard blueprint. It was at the end of the trailer for Vanguard. --JackalUnderscore (talk) 14:05, 19 August 2021 (EDT)

Page Up

With the release of an official teaser trailer, I think its safe to make the page now, so I did and added the guns and grenades from the teaser. Hope nobody minds, seeing as the full reveal and first proper trailer is on the 19th. --JackalUnderscore (talk) 15:50, 16 August 2021 (EDT)

Weapon Wishlist

A small list of desired weapons besides the expected usual chestnuts, including the ones that weren’t in the previous game:

Also, a few ideas for scorestreaks that are basically WWII counterparts of the ones in BOCW:

  • Hand Cannon: Smith & Wesson Model 27. One-hit kill to infantry and high damage to other scorestreaks. Maybe make it ivory-gripped as like General Patton’s gun.
  • War Machine: Kulakov Grenade Launcher. Holds only 5 grenades but otherwise still powerful.
  • Death Machine: Hard to say, given the M134 Minigun was developed in the 60s. The closest I can come up with for WWII is a Slostin machine gun, but that is mounted on a carriage and not man-portable at all. The next best thing could be a twin MG81 setup since it is kind of man-portable and has an extremely high fire rate, and after that maybe the M1919 AN/M2 Stinger from CoD:WWII. Or a big water-cooled MG like the Maxim or Browning M1917.

Most of this is a pipe dream knowing Sledge and Acti but they did add some weapons like the Charlton Automatic Rifle in CoD:WWII so who knows. Feel free to add to the list if you want. --MJ79 (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2021 (EDT)

I don't know half the things on this list. What's the Trigun and the Slostin? --JackalUnderscore (talk) 13:48, 19 August 2021 (EDT)

Links on those two guns are down below: https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/Spasov_M1944_Trigun https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/Slostin_machine_gun --MJ79 (talk) 10:44, 21 August 2021 (EDT)

Trailer Dropped

This is a pretty epic trailer, not looking bad at all. There must be at least one multiplayer WWII game on all 4 major fronts, but I haven't heard of any. Looks pretty darn good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ1CwPhE8KQ --JackalUnderscore (talk) 14:07, 19 August 2021 (EDT)

Something funny

Finishing moves use Modern Warfare's P320 as a placeholder in the current Alpha build lol. [1] --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:31, 27 August 2021 (EDT)

There are definitely some odd placeholders in the current build - the Thompson is apparently chambered in 5.7x28mm, for one. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2021 (EDT)

The BAR apparently uses 7.62 NATO. I guess to be expected but you seem to be able to use the Arisaka Kogaku scope and side mounted on other bolt actions so you can reload with stripper clips. Really strange seeing it on a Mosin. --Kona (talk) 03:05, 28 August 2021 (EDT)

Multiplayer anachronisms

I think it is important to point out anachronisms both in single player and multiplayer otherwise people might be like "But hey look they have the StG44 in Stalingrad in CODs multiplayer so it must be correct." As for why I use "potential" and "would be" when referring to multiplayer anachronisms, that is because as you said due to the lack of equipment restrictions in MP the anachronistic use of a weapon is a potentiality depending on the players. If a player chooses to bring an StG44 to a multiplayer Stalingrad map then in that case the weapon would be anachronism, if they don't bring it then there is no anachronism, that's why I use "would be". The anachronism is player-determined. Of course we can also just say something like "It can be anachronistically used in the multiplayer maps X." --Nanomat (talk) 08:28, 8 September 2021 (EDT)

I think it is worth mentioning in story/campaign modes but a bit pedantic to state "its use on (list of 10+ maps) is anachronistic" for every later war weapon. See the discussion we had on BFV's talk page - best to just note major anachronisms.--AgentGumby (talk) 10:32, 8 September 2021 (EDT)
I concur. It is IMFDB's job to point out anachronisms, but doing the whole "player-determined anachronism" thing is pointless pedantry. A more general statement should suffice. --Wuzh (talk) 11:12, 8 September 2021 (EDT)
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