Talk:A Dark Truth

Taurus PT92 - Beretta 92FS

Both pistols, identified as Beretta 92, are Taurus PT92. Note Taurus logo on grip and slide on the first screenshot. The Uzi is a Mini Uzi. Greg-Z (talk) 05:18, 21 January 2015 (EST) Thx very much, Greg!--Pandolfini (talk) 06:37, 21 January 2015 (EST)

In the cap where there are two pistols in the case, the bottom one appears to be a Beretta though. There appear to be two Berettas in the first cap under the HK rifle. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:02, 21 January 2015 (EST)

The one on the bottom is a Beretta 92FS Inox.

There's a Beretta 92FS Centurion and a Centurion Inox. And I'm not sure why this is listed as a sniper rifle.

--Funkychinaman (talk) 10:13, 22 January 2015 (EST)

Heckler & Koch sniper rifle

Think it's safe to say the sniper rifle is a variant of the HK417, PeeWee055 (talk) 07:25, 21 January 2015 (EST)

If you zoom in, you can see it says MR 308, which is the civilian designation. But the first cap is not an MR 308. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:26, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I noticed that too. Could be identical to one of the carbines/rifles generically referred to as 'M-16 Carbine', PeeWee055 (talk) 07:30, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Glock 17

You sure all Glock 17's are 3rd Gen? Especially the last one seems like an earlier generation to me, apparently lacking the vertical cut under the frame and the accessory rail under the frame, PeeWee055 (talk) 07:42, 21 January 2015 (EST) Here are 2 next screens for best identification ...--Pandolfini (talk) 19:23, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Work in Progress

I took the liberty to add a 'Work in Progress' sign on this page. It seems you still need to do some work like adding texts, possibly trimming down on the number of photo's per gun, adding Beretta 92 and sorting out the generic 'M-16 Carbine' section. I recommend you start browsing down the M16 rifle series page, PeeWee055 (talk) 07:51, 21 January 2015 (EST) O.K. I need help, thx!-Pandolfini (talk) 09:09, 21 January 2015 (EST)

M16s

As it seems to me, there are at least two different versions of M16.

The first one looks like M4 or civilian Colt Law Enforcement Carbine:

Colt M4 Carbine with 4 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm

Colt Law Enforcement Carbine - 5.56x45mm.

Another model resembles Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine or something like Colt Model 654:

Colt Model R6520 "AR-15A2 Government Carbine" - 5.56x45mm

Colt Model 654 "M16A1 Carbine", the export model of the Model 653 without forward assist - 5.56x45mm

Also something like a full-lenght M16A2 can be seen here:

Colt M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).

I'm no way an expert in M16s so my guesses can be wrong. If so then sorry. Greg-Z (talk) 11:41, 21 January 2015 (EST)

The first ones are likely Colt Model 727s - they have the M4-style stepped barrels but appear to have A1E1 upper receivers (Fixed carry handle with A1 sights with forward assist and shell deflector). Second set of caps show CARs that actually seem to have the same stepped barrels as the first set, just harder to tell (They're easier to make out if you blow the images up), so they're probably the same weapons. If they were fixed barrel, they'd be M723s, of the same series. The last one looks like an M16A1 fitted with the A2 handguards - It seems to have the thinner barrel of an A1 which is why I say that (I would have said an SP1, but it seems like it has a full mag fence, what I can tell, anyway). If we could get a better shot of the receiver we could be certain. Also, the variant with the M203 on the main page is actually a carbine and not a fullsize, probably another M727. StanTheMan (talk) 12:23, 21 January 2015 (EST)

All my guesses appear wrong. So sad. Greg-Z (talk) 12:25, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Hey, you weren't too far off, and you at least spotted they were different to begin with, some folks wouldn't have. As you said, you're no AR expert, and that's ok - Given the clusterfuck of differing details with all the ARs over the years (and the fact they're often rebuilt and hodge-podged even further in media), it's tough to nail some variants down to any degree even if you're somewhat read up on them like me - I wouldn't claim to know them all correctly either. And even then, there's other whole sets of firearms I know little to nothing about, myself. No one knows absolutely everything, which is why we're all here to help each other out as best we can, dude. StanTheMan (talk) 12:41, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Also, I believe the "Unidentified sniper rifle" is a 727 as well. It has had the barrel chopped down, but just behind the flash hider you can make out the M203 step which is a sure sign that this has been cut down from a longer barrel, and the A1 style sight suggest that a Model 727 is the likely candidate (especially considering their prolific use in the rest of the film). Also, it is fitted with an A.R.M.S. #51 C A1A2 S.I.R. handguard. --commando552 (talk) 16:59, 22 January 2015 (EST)

The 727 has A2 sights, A1E1 upper and M4 profile barrel is a Model 723. So is the one with the M203 attached. There are no M4s or LE Carbines shown here, they're all 723s. The "sniper rifle" with the SIR handguard and red dot sight I'm inclined to say is an airsoft replica because it matches this almost exactly, right down to the barrel step for attaching an M203 even though the barrel would be too short for it. Spartan198 (talk) 18:13, 22 January 2015 (EST)