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Memphis' Glock

-Memphis' piece could be a Glock 22, seeing is that is what an FBI agent would be using in real life and the barrel looks like it could be 10mm... at a glance atleast...? It would make a lot of sense if it were a G22 which fires a .40 S&W round, a short 10mm.

I have explained before that just because the Glock 22 is what the FBI uses in real life does not mean that the prop gun used by Michael Pena is one. It is generally more common for blank pistols in Hollywood to be 9mm. Until evidence is presented to suggest otherwise, it's far more fair to assume this is a Glock 17. Also, Ryan Steacy, the armorer who worked on this movie, has posted on this page and corrected us when we said that the machine gun on the helicopter was a PKM (he also added more info about the Barrett M82, which can be seen above). He didn't correct us on the Glock model used, which suggests to me that we got it right. -MT2008 05:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

When the government agents try to force Memphis to commit suicide, there are some good shots of his Glock. One shot shows the bore diameter could possibly be .40. I no longer own this movie so I can't screencap it myself sadly. - Gunmaster45

Sorry I had to move your Glock input Gunmaster, but Glock and M203, sadly, do not mix. (GamerfreakB7)

Pop-bottle suppressed .22 LR

- There seems to be a bit of confusion about what exactly this weapon is. To add to the mix, it almost looks like a Winchester Model 60 Cooey. The tubular magazine and the shape of the safety knob at the back of the bolt are somewhat similar, not to mention the wood carving on the stock at the grip. It is virtually identical to my own Cooey.


It looks like a Marlin 781 or 981 to me.


has no one done the silenced steyr aug that swagger uses at the end, i would but i dont know how to do images

-no because it's an m4/ar15 variant

also the statement this is the only time swagger fires right handed is untrue as there is anothe shot on the page where he shoots right handed with the m40

Quote by Weapons Coordinator

Someone removed the Quote by the films Weapon Co ordinator and I just reverted it. I did so because We as a site can't get better information than First hand from the people who supply the weapons used in film. What they have to say has alot of merit towards a film.Rockwolf66 22:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers not allowed

I am removing the extra information that pretty much outlines the plot and twists in the movie unless it is completely unavoidable. It is not necessary to repeat the entire plot of the film for the viewer. It is NOT necessary for this page and completely irrelevant to the gun information on the page. MPM20008

Okay I understand, MPM2008. Thanks for doing so.--Alienqueen11 00:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Left Handed and right handed shooting

Swagger naturally is right-handed. He shoots right until he is wounded in the RIGHT shoulder. Recoil from firearms hurts as it is. When you have a wounded shoulder, it REALLY hurts! Therefore, Swagger (a highly trained sniper) changes to left handed shooting (which Walberg naturally is) for the duration of the movie. There are certain times in the movie (namely the farm shootout) Swagger had to shoot right handed, in order to be tactically correct and keep most of his body undercover. He made two shots righthanded, he probably just sucked it up and took the pain. For the most part, Swagger shoots left handed because of a wounded right shoulder. When a tactical situation called for it, he shot right. But in the end, Bob Lee Swagger is right handed. The writers wrote in an injury to make things easier for Mark Walberg (a lefty) to protray. Easier to go with what you know. The Winchester


I think you are a bit off there. After he is released and he goes to the nighttime cabin he is still shooting left handed. You would think that a bullet wound would have healed by that time. bristow8411

Bullet wounds don't just heal overnight. It can take months to recover. -Survivalkid21

BULLET FLIGHT TIME

I'm a gun nut, and it frustrates me that with all the technical assistance and knowledge available to the moviemakers, they still don't get it right. When presented with the details of the required shot at the beginning by Glover, Whalberg replies that it could be a 6 - 10 sec bullet flight time for a shot about 1.5 miles. Well at 6 secs, the bullet would have a muzzle velocity of 1000fps. Later in the film, the shot distance is mentioned at 2000 yds, and using the gun in the film to make this shot, that flight time for the projectile would have been about 2.14secs. How can they miscalculate that easy one!?

Because then they'd also show the way a round at that range would *actually* hit: straight down to blow the dude to literal pieces.

yea the USMC sniper saying about that is that even true? -scarecrow

Yes. Bullets follow a parabolic path when fired. That means you'd have to compensate when firing at range (ie, aiming higher than the actual target to account for this) which means that the bullet would eventually come arcing pointing downwards into the top of the target's head. And seeing as how this is a large-caliber round...

M203

did anyone else notice at the begining, when swagger is covering the troops, that the distance to the target was 870 yards, yet a minute later we see swaggers spotter firing his m203 and hitting a parked car, now i think that the range for a single shot grenade launcher is a bit unrealistic. never the less more tactically sound than most and still a good film.

I was watching shooter on my iPod (again) and noticed a discrepancy with Donnie Fenn's M203: Its trigger guard is TOTALLY SQUARED in the back. I went and watched it on my computer to be sure and I was right, so this means that they used a CM203 39mm Flare Launcher instead of an M203 Grenade Launcher. (GamerfreakB7)


40 MM ERLP rounds have a range of 880 yds (burnrate)

Sniper Rifle Tripod

In the assassination scene the gun used to kill the guy next to the President is on a remote control tripod. Does anyone know what kind of stand this is, and would it still take a highly trained shooter to take this shoot considering the technology being used?--Gunkatas 08:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

The Remote control sniper weapom is the Precision Remotes Telepresent Rapid-Aiming Platform (TRAP). It's basically a computer-operated weapon platform that holds a standard rifle. Think Mars Rover holding a CheyTac M200. (GamerfreakB7)

http://precisionremotes.com/ground-mount.php

I wouldn't let anyone take the shot unless it had been set and calibrated by an experienced shooter. Long range shooting has a lot of variables involved: wind speed and direction (which can vary downrange, and moreso in an urban environment), elevation of the shooter relative to the target, local weather (temperature and humidity), to name but a few. There are ballistics software programs that can take a lot of the guesswork out of the equation, but the more data you have the more accurate the prediction will be. An experienced shooter would be able to factor in a lot of the above variables within a short space of time. Note early in the film before the hit he was checking a lot of this on the location. Wraith

A related question: What was the rifle on the TRAP in the demo video Memphis watched online? An M82 variant already listed or another weapon? There doesn't seem to be a mention on the page. Spartan198 (talk) 10:51, 3 February 2014 (EST)

uniforms

i know this isnt about guns but the uniform that swagger and his spotter wear while covering the contractors looks like army ucp pattern rather than marine marpat wondering if anyone else noticed.

your right, they were ACUs, not the MARPAT. -Winchester

marines contracted to the US army O_o

From some conversations with retired military personnel, snipers often have a lot of leeway in the uniforms they wear in the field. It depends on the military service but some have the option of choosing a pattern that better reflects their environment. In that location Swagger and his spotter thought that ACU made a better base pattern that MARPAT, and their CO allowed them to do this. I have heard of some odd pattern combinations being used, such as US Desert 6-color chock-chip pattern being used with UK DPM jacket, Italian WW2 pattern smocks (also used by the Waffen-SS) with AusCam pants, knock-off US Woodland, surplus German Flektern, and so on. Some extra uniforms on hand are cheaper than losing a trained sniper team that were found because of a camo pattern that didn't quite match the environment. Or, MARPAT was not available to the production crew so they used ACU because it was what they had. Wraith

Unless we can talk to someone in the production of the movie, the uniforms are either a mistake in costuming or an effort to show snipers in the field using what they thought was best for the operation. Wraith

Of course, in what world besides Army La La Land, UCP is superior to MARPAT, I don't know... Spartan198 (talk) 13:33, 11 December 2012 (EST)

Trivia

When Swagger and FBI agent Memphis go to Tennessee to the home of Swaggers friend, the expert on shooting and ballistics (played by former drummer for The Band Levon Helm), the wife of Swagger's friend is played by actress Rebecca Toolan, who played the mother of FBI Agent Fox Mulder from seasons 1-7, the character being killed off in 2000, season 7, Mulder's last full season on the show.-Harleyguy

Gun in ranch

what is the rifle that swagger uses during the ranch is it still the .22 or did he pickup a 2nd remington 700

I believe it's in a deleted scene, but Swagger has Memphis buy two rifles. --Crazycrankle 23:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

thanks love this site hopefully im learning enough to contribute eventually

I've found it considerably easier to create a .txt file with a basic page template, then using it for any new additions/creations and copying it over to the site. Just remember not to save over the original .txt file, might be a pain in the butt the next time. Also, marking who you are, even if your just an IP right now is always nice for other people. Use this: --~~~~ or the little square second from the right above where you type. --Crazycrankle 23:43, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

in the movie shooter the guy with the unidentfied pistol is proberbly a BERETTA M92SB with a shorter barrel. the way you can tell is the trigger guard is rounded instead of crested at the front of trigger guard.

Unidentified Pistols

The second one is a Beretta 92FS, the first one tucked into the guys pants looks like some kind of Sig-Sauer.--AdAstra2009 22:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Tactical action

When Swagger changes M4A1 magazines during the running gunfight, he pulls back the charge handle when all he should have to do is push the slide release to chamber the next round. I think this is correct.

There can be a number of reasons for this. One is that he want to follow the charging handle down to assure the bolt locks. Just using the slide release could result in a jam and he wouldnt know until he pulled the trigger costing seconds if not more. I for one do the butt stock slap to load the first round of a new magazine...not tactical...just looks cool.--Spades of Columbia 23:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


For all of us not "in the know" what is the deal with this stock slap? 98.237.107.108 06:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Next time you are playin around with a AR-15 and you load a fresh mag in to a open chambered action...give the back of the butt a firm flat handed slap...and see what happens.--Spades of Columbia 17:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Will do. 166.137.11.187 02:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

If I remember, a casing ejects when he pulls the charging handle. I think he was just clearing a jam. I don't think he even changed the mag, just reinserted the same one. --Gtcsmc 17:58, 4 June 2012 (CDT)

Some shooting schools teach you to use the charging handle instead of the slide releases. They say that it is far more reliable. Personally, I don't know if this is true or not. -Survivalkid21

Swagger's CheyTac

The reason Swagger is holding the rifle with his left hand is because he got shot on the right side. He switches to a left-handed shooting stance for every weapon after that.

as stated above multiple times, and sign you posts with four ~ at the end scarecrow 11:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Anyone else notice the tape on the 870?

The last image for the 870, where the bad guy is holding it on the girl, the foreend is taped back, as well as the grip is taped to the baddie's hand. Why would they tape the foreend back? For safety or what?

http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/2c/S-Remington-870-3.jpg

Not a clue. Strong duct tape would prevent the forend from moving; if it was forward, you would fire one shot and be stuck. If it was back, the gun would be unable to fire as long as the tape was on. Chitoryu12 23:44, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

In the film the tape is to hold the wire loop(?) which goes around the girl's neck to keep the muzzle pointed at her. In real life maybe a rubber stunt was not available or undesirable due to the closeness of (filming)shot - having the slide locked back would be a good way of preventing firing and allow you to see no round is chambered so they could safely use a live weapon. Or it's a mistake :) . --Sidewinder Forge 09:17, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

Swaggers M4

I know this probably a stupid question, but does anyone know what happened to Bobs M4 after he uses it to crack the gas line? It's been on my mind a while and it's bugging me.--SAMBAMA 21:06, 10 June 2011 (CDT)

He left it there to make it appear somebody inside the house was responsible for the shooting. I don't recall who he planted it on because I haven't seen the movie in a while. Spartan198 (talk) 13:26, 11 December 2012 (EST)
Actually, Swagger took his M4 with him. He left his 1911 with one of the government agents. -Survivalkid21
No, I'm watching the scene of him leaving the house before it blows up right now and he doesn't have the M4 on him. Spartan198 (talk) 23:02, 23 January 2014 (EST)

Any fans of the books?

Just kinda wondering if anyone else on this site has read the Stephen Hunter novels that this movie is (loosely) based on. - User: 2wingo

I have "Point of Impact", "Dirty White Boys","Blacklight", and "Hot Springs" in my personal collection. I have read the Swagger series up to "Night of Thunder".Rockwolf66 (talk) 01:47, 24 December 2012 (EST)


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