Talk:Halo

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[edit] Some people just don't get it

- And here I was thinking Excalibur was being a jerk before. Look, I like Halo and all, but really, there's no point in having a page for it here. There seems to be no hard proof that any of the guns are actually based off of any real firearm, or are representative of any RL firearm. There are some that uncannily look like real world firearms, but that is limited to only a couple of examples, and is hardly worth putting up a page for, especially on a famous and popular game like Halo.

Oh well, guess Ex will hitting the 'delete' key again. Bah. StanTheMan 02:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

• I think Excaliber should actually remove this page. Leave the halo weapons for halopedia. Despite sharing similar qualities with real world weapons these weapons are simply not real. These aren't franken guns but are simply not real weapons.ShaDow XPS

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If you say the F2000, I will destroy you. Robt McLees has been quoted as saying the MA5B was designed without influence of the F2000. -protoAuthor

The battle rifle was also not in Halo. It was in Halo 2.

look i made this page a while ago, it will get deleted soon because they arnt real. and only 1 or 2 guns are real

Maybe this page could become the "Halo Series" page and then have the firearms (and NOTHING else) visually dissected to find possible inspirations or the like for the game designers. The fictional guns in Aliens have been treated as such, and so have the guns in F.E.A.R (the first game). I think it would definitely be interesting to see what we could come up with here. --Mazryonh 03:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

That's a pretty good idea. And anyone else think the sniper rifle has a resemblance to the NTW-20? Mandaloin 06:35, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

the sniperis based on it. but i madehis page months ago and i dont find it fair that mypage was called halo series had all of the guns, pics there real names and a short 5line paragraph about it was deleted because of 'apparently none ofthem are real' which ok they arnt but still if you needhelp i will ad pics--Smish34 10:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)--

OK, this page is GONE. Why? Because none of the guns are real. The M41A1 rifle is a Tommy gun with a Remington built into a shell. That's why that counts. FEAR also have guns that are obviously based on real guns. Halo is a game in the future with guns that are not based on anything at all Excalibur01

Look... regardless of whether the guns are real or not, site policy has no ban on fictional firearms, only NON-FIREARMS! For those who say "We can't have it cause it's not real, what about the Railgun in "Eraser"? Or what about the guns in "Alien: Resurrection"? Because if the completely rational weapons of Halo can't be here, then why do those others get to stay? I'm not saying the covenant weapons stay, but the human weapons deserve a place here at IMFDB. GamerfreakB7--Destroying the world, one hippie at a time. 04:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

About the Resurrection page. Those weapons should probably be removed unless some connection to real firearms can be made. Or at the least they can be labeled as not real weapons.ShaDow XPS

[edit] Lack of Professionalism noted

- ‎ (I love Halo, but Halo fanboys can go to hell)

I don't even care about Halo, but 'Go to hell'? That's plain unnecessary. Delete a page if you feel it's warranted, but there's no reason to sound like a jerk.

I'm sorry Excalibur, but your actions seem unprofessional and quite rude. Especially when there are games and other media listed on the site that have unique guns that are certainly 'not real'. Not to mention have no real gun basis or even look like any real gun for that matter. Case in point, the guns Gamerfreak stated, as well as the gun seen at the end of Starship Troopers, several guns in video games such as Perfect Dark, etc.

I feel there should be a page, but only for weapons in the game that actually look like real guns enough to where it's a bit more than coincidence that they look so much alike. Until we can positively confirm they aren't based off what the guns look like/represent in reality, I wouldn't think there's much harm in at least pointing out that they do resemble said firearms.

In the case of this game, the sniper rifle bears an uncanny resemblance to the NTW 20mm rifle. That's hardly deniable. And of course the 12.7mm LAAG also very much resembles the GAU-19.

The main rifle looking like an F2000? That's a fairly reasonable assumption. Though in it's case, I wouldn't add it as we have confirmation that the gun isn't based off the 2000. If we didn't have that knowledge, I'd say to add it because it does bear plenty enough resemblance to that gun. But since it's clear it's base design had nothing to do with it, that's fine.

As for the other guns, well, I certainly wouldn't list them, they do seem to be completely fictional, have no real firearm as a base and unlike the above mentioned guns, look nothing like any real-world firearm. Might be a bit excessive. But again, it would be worth listing the ones that clearly look and take after real firearms.

In any case, deleting a page just because you don't believe any of the weapons are based off real guns, despite the fact several look almost exactly like real guns is silly and perhaps a bit unfair. As Gamerfreak said, there's nothing explicitly stating they can't be included because they're fictional. I myself don't feel there should be any reason to exclude them so long as they bear some kind of resemblance to a real gun and/or are based off a real gun.

If it's oversight in the rules or something, then it needs to addressed. Either way, as Gamerfreak alluded to, it just seems a bit unfair to delete this page when there are numerous other pages listed with content that flies in the face of your reasoning. StanTheMan 17:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

The Eraser gun is something put there as a trivia piece. Other than the rail gun, all the guns in Eraser are real guns. Halo doesn't have a single gun based on real guns. Any resembles to the F2000 or the FAMAS were pure coincidences according to the game developers. They bare little or no resembles to any real gun. Alien: Resurrection is another particular page to be deleted. Look like is one thing, but the Assault Rifle doesn't have any trademarks to the F2000 if you look closely. It isn't like in Fear where the assault rifle looks like an SL8. So no, this page is not coming back on Excalibur01

- Well I was asking in particular about the Sniper Rifle or LAAG, as they look almost exactly like RL weapons (NTW/GAU-19). Other than that, I get your point about the Assualt Rifle and agree. I said that already. Now. if it really is the same exact case with those other weapons (that they aren't based off of any real weapons, despite their uncanny appearance), that's fine.

I just sensed a bit of bias against this page in regards to it's deletion and felt you had an unfair attitude in regards to it. I myself am not fully convinced that isn't the case. But I'll say no more about that.

If the page ain't comin' back, than I guess that's that. I will objectively add that it probably wouldn't make sense to have a page with only 2 or 3 guns from the whole game on it because those are the only ones that look like real guns. And so in that regard, probably best to not have a page anyway. StanTheMan 04:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the notion of including video games here at all is a bit silly. I always thought the point of this site was to answer a layman's question of "Hey, what kind of gun was so and so using in that movie?" because unless it's Harry Callahan, the character isn't going to come out and announce it. You don't have to do that with video games, because all the weapons are labeled. Couple that with the fact that a lot of video game weapons are either inaccurate representations of real guns, or outright fake, and for what? Anyway, just my $0.11. --Funkychinaman 04:54, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

- Well, there are those that ask 'Hey, what kind of gun is really being used in this game?' as there are numerous games that mislabel/falsely-label or generically label 'real' guns quite a bit, for whatever reason. Granted it's not anywhere as big a thing as the movies but I'm sure it does come up, otherwise a Video Games section wouldn't have been made/allowed in the first place. I agree that having a Video Game section may be pushing it a bit, especially for a site that coins itself Internet Movie Firearms DataBase, but I don't run things around here. StanTheMan 05:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

In my experience, it just seems like any developers that actually cared enough to properly label a weapon in a game was going to at least make an effort to make it resemble and perform like the weapon it's supposed to be. And even then they sometimes get it wrong. (A whole generation of gamers now think it's impossible to top off an M1 Garand, and that the Garand is less powerful than a Mauser 98K.) And those that don't probably don't care, so why should we drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out what these guns are supposed to be? (I'm saying this after going through the Perfect Dark page.) --Funkychinaman 13:28, 5 May 2010 (UTC)