https://www.imfdb.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Phillb36&feedformat=atomInternet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T10:06:41ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.35.7https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Continental:_From_the_World_of_John_Wick&diff=1587516Talk:The Continental: From the World of John Wick2023-07-01T22:06:24Z<p>Phillb36: Continental First Look Featurette action scene</p>
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<div>== ''' Continental First Look Featurette ''' ==<br />
I found this [https://youtube.com/watch?v=UBd1bT1etPw&feature=share first look featurette] on YouTube, apparently one of the extras on the John Wick 4 Blu-ray. The only guns I can identify are a Beretta Model 12, Uzi and an Ingram, an M-11 I think. I cannot see the pistols clearly enough to make positive IDs, but it looks like mostly Browning Hi-powers, but I think I saw a couple Pre-B CZ-75s. —---[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:06, 1 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:SAS_Rogue_Heroes&diff=1536153Talk:SAS Rogue Heroes2022-11-25T02:15:21Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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== <big>'''Vickers K Aircraft Gun'''</big> ==<br />
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The machine guns identified as Lewis guns sans water jackets are actually Vickers K aircraft guns. You can see the distinctive grip and trigger arrangement in some of the screenshots, and it’s obvious they are not using Lewis gun drums, but are the type used on the Vickers. <br><br />
AFAIK, the aircraft version of the Lewis gun was never mounted on SAS jeeps. <br><br />
I don’t think many original Vickers K are still around, and any surviving guns most likely aren’t available for film work, so probably these are some kind of mock ups or replicas. I considered the possibility these are mock ups built on Lewis guns but I don’t think that’s likely still since they are mounting Vickers drum magazines.—---[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 19:49, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Vickersk.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Vickers K Machine Gun - .303 British]]<br></div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:SAS_Rogue_Heroes&diff=1536128Talk:SAS Rogue Heroes2022-11-24T20:13:56Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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== <big>'''Vickers K Aircraft Gun'''</big> ==<br />
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The machine guns identified as Lewis guns sans water jackets are actually Vickers K aircraft guns. You can see the distinctive grip and trigger arrangement in some of the screenshots, and it’s obvious they are not using Lewis gun drums, but are the type used on the Vickers. <br><br />
AFAIK, the aircraft version of the Lewis gun was never mounted on SAS jeeps. <br><br />
I don’t think many original Vickers K are still around, and any surviving guns most likely aren’t available for film work, so probably these are some kind of mock ups or replicas. I considered the possibility these are mock ups built on Lewis guns but I don’t think that’s likely considering they are mounting Vickers drum magazines.—---[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 19:49, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Vickersk.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Vickers K Machine Gun - .303 British]]<br></div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:SAS_Rogue_Heroes&diff=1536126Talk:SAS Rogue Heroes2022-11-24T20:12:22Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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== <big>Vickers K Aircraft Gun</big> ==<br />
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The machine guns identified as Lewis guns sans water jackets are actually Vickers K aircraft guns. You can see the distinctive grip and trigger arrangement in some of the screenshots, and it’s obvious they are not using Lewis gun drums, but are the type used on the Vickers. <br><br />
AFAIK, the aircraft version of the Lewis gun was never mounted on SAS jeeps. <br><br />
I don’t think many original Vickers K are still around, and any surviving guns most likely aren’t available for film work, so probably these are some kind of mock ups or replicas. I considered the possibility these are mock ups built on Lewis guns but I don’t think that’s likely considering they are mounting Vickers drum magazines.—---[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 19:49, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Vickersk.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Vickers K Machine Gun - .303 British]]<br></div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:SAS_Rogue_Heroes&diff=1536125Talk:SAS Rogue Heroes2022-11-24T20:00:10Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>==Vickers K aircraft gun==<br />
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The machine guns identified as Lewis guns sans water jackets are actually Vickers K aircraft guns. You can see the distinctive grip and trigger arrangement in some of the screenshots, and it’s obvious they are not using Lewis gun drums, but are the type used on the Vickers. <br><br />
AFAIK, the aircraft version of the Lewis gun was never mounted on SAS jeeps. <br><br />
I don’t think many original Vickers K are still around, and any surviving guns most likely aren’t available for film work, so probably these are some kind of mock ups or replicas. I considered the possibility these are mock ups built on Lewis guns but I don’t think that’s likely considering they are mounting Vickers drum magazines.—---[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 19:49, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Vickersk.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Vickers K Machine Gun - .303 British]]<br></div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:SAS_Rogue_Heroes&diff=1536124Talk:SAS Rogue Heroes2022-11-24T19:59:23Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>==Vickers K aircraft gun==<br />
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The machine guns identified as Lewis guns sans water jackets are actually Vickers K aircraft guns. You can see the distinctive grip and trigger arrangement in some of the screenshots, and it’s obvious they are not using Lewis gun drums, but are the type used on the Vickers. <br><br />
AFAIK, the aircraft version of the Lewis gun was never mounted on SAS jeeps. <br><br />
I don’t think many original Vickers K are still around, and any surviving guns most likely aren’t available for film work, so probably these are some kind of mock ups or replicas. I considered the possibility these are mock ups built on Lewis guns but I don’t think that’s likely considering they are mounting Vickers drum magazines.—---[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 19:49, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Vickersk.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Vickers K Machine Gun - .303 British]]</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:SAS_Rogue_Heroes&diff=1536123Talk:SAS Rogue Heroes2022-11-24T19:53:55Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>==Vickers K aircraft gun==<br />
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The machine guns identified as Lewis guns sans water jackets are actually Vickers K aircraft guns. You can see the distinctive grip and trigger arrangement in some of the screenshots, and it’s obvious they are not using Lewis gun drums, but are the type used on the Vickers. AFAIK, the aircraft version of the Lewis gun was never mounted on SAS jeeps.<br />
I don’t think many original Vickers K are still around, and any surviving guns most likely aren’t available for film work, so probably these are some kind of mock ups or replicas. I considered the possibility these are mock ups built on Lewis guns but I don’t think that’s likely considering they are mounting Vickers drum magazines.—---[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 19:49, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Vickersk.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Vickers K Machine Gun - .303 British]]</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:SAS_Rogue_Heroes&diff=1536122Talk:SAS Rogue Heroes2022-11-24T19:50:02Z<p>Phillb36: Those are Vickers K guns mounted on the jeeps, not Lewis Guns</p>
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<div>==Vickers K aircraft gun==<br />
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The machine guns identified as Lewis guns sans water jackets are actually Vickers K aircraft guns. You can see the distinctive grip and trigger arrangement in some of the screenshots, and it’s obvious they are not using Lewis gun drums, but are the type used on the Vickers. <br />
AFAIK, the aircraft version of the Lewis gun was never mounted on SAS jeeps.<br />
I don’t think many original Vickers K are still around, and any surviving guns most likely aren’t available for film work, so probably these are some kind of mock ups or replicas. I considered the possibility these are mock ups built on Lewis guns but I don’t think that’s likely considering they are mounting Vickers drum magazines.—---[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 19:49, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Vickersk.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Vickers K Machine Gun - .303 British]]</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Battlefield_V&diff=1234939Talk:Battlefield V2018-12-03T05:51:41Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>==Videos and more info==<br />
A couple great resources you guys should take a look at: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xegBXGaFrOU JackFrags' video] on tons of new features and design, and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23dzc8zXjdo Flakfire's trailer breakdown] with tons of details. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Thoughts? ==<br />
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So, ignoring the ''elephantess'' in the room (which, if you're worried about it, bear in mind that the devs do have several months to listen to the community's backlash, so there's that), what are your thoughts on the game so far? I've heard mixed opinions on the gameplay mechanics and changes being introduced, and I'm curious as to what people here think about some of the things to come (e.g. the constructible fortifications, the squad-reinforcement vehicles and rockets, the spotting changes, the limited vehicle ammo, the ''Hardline''-esque TTK, the Grand Operations gamemode, the universal revives, the towable emplaced guns, the reduced reserve ammo and health regen, etc.). What are your thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:00, 10 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:My thoughts are that I love literally everything we've seen and heard so far, everything feels like an improvement. Not really the most in-depth thoughts, but I've got nothing bad to say. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:07, 10 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Lets see how good the campaign will be... hoping that they will add even the most obscure WW2 guns--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:28, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm just bummed out that we're getting yet another WW2 game.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:45, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::Well, is just that both companies had adopted a "Follow the Leader" policy. They care about getting a lot of sales, not original content. Hardline? Original (and I loved it) but didnt sold out well. BF1?? Semi-original. And sold better. CoD WW2 sold because fans got righteously tired of the sci-fi trend and got back to roots. BF:V is trying to do the same. Well in 20th Century alone a lot of war happened from the most famous WW1 and WW2 to the most obscure ones like the Sino-Indian War,The Troubles and the Timor East War. I would kinda like it to see a AAA FPS set in those conflicts.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 11:03, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Turner SMLE ==<br />
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The Turner SMLE semi-auto conversion is an odd choice by DICE considering the real gun was rejected by the Canadian Army. I would've preferred the Howell from BF1 or other more successful conversions like the Rieder or even the Charlton. --[[User:MJ79|MJ79]] ([[User talk:MJ79|talk]]) 03:27, 8 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I'm not sure if the Howell saw much use during WWII, though. As for the Rieder and the Charlton, they would have practically gone to the machine guns class. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 04:36, 8 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Anyway, given all the liberties that DICE took for weapon choices in BF1, I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same for the following game. In fact, BF5 currently has the Selbstlader M1916, which I don't think it really fits in it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 04:42, 8 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::BFV has the M1916 because they needed a British-or-German non-DLC SLR from BF1, for the matching skin set. And it's a neat rifle, I'm happy to see it again; the more the merrier, really. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 12:38, 8 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::Well yeah, it's a fantastic weapon; my point was just that it doesn't exactly fit in a WWII game. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:18, 23 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::I think the Selbstlader 1916 is probably just standing in for another German semi-auto rifle they haven't announced yet, similar to how the MP18 Arras skin is going to be transferred over to the MP28. In a similar vein, I also believe the Steyr m.95 is going to be the 1930 version as well.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 16:34, 23 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Welgun (etc)==<br />
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Please don't remove it and similar things from the page, it's almost certainly going to be in the first batch of guns added after launch, I'd bet on within the first month. Ditto for the Vickers K, and given we saw the Hi-Power in concept art, it seems likely it'll be an SAS / commando themed set of stuff. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 04:45, 3 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Is there a better way to present cosmetic modifications? ==<br />
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Hey Nanomat, I like what you're doing here with the cosmetic modifications, but I wonder if there might be some better way to present them. Having a specific section for Sten Mk V for example isn't very helpful when the weapon doesn't actually appear in-game, just parts of it. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:09, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Well, maybe we should use the CODWW2 method with subsections. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:22, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::Well, in CODWW2, the variants are full weapons; here they're just small parts. I think guns that appear as parts and not full guns should be all sorted into a subsection distinct from all weapon classes. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:38, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::I feel either subsections (like the pistol carbine variants and such on the Battlefield 1 page), or, alternatively, a whole separate section at the very bottom of the page dedicated to parts of guns that aren't actually in the game, but have customization parts (as some movie pages do with giant gun walls and the like) would be best. EDIT: Grease Gun flash hider? Neat. Considering we also have Shermans, including a Calliope variant, in the campaign (as well as that giant mortar German halftrack), we might be getting the Americans sooner rather than later. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:52, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::My current format matches with the "whole separate section at the very bottom of the page" format you mentioned. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 03:26, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::Yeah, I noticed that right after I posted here. >.> [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:48, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::Just to point out, almost all outfits for the British team are actually American so technically the US are already in as far as I'm concerned. In fact, the PROPER British uniforms are nowhere to be found :D --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 17:26, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::I honestly can't tell the difference, pretty much all the gear in the game looks the same to my eyes; helmets (stahlhelm, brodie) and officer uniforms are the only things that look identifiable past "WWII-era gear" to me. :P [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:34, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Scopes and optics ==<br />
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This isn't my area of expertise at all, but if we could eventually get IDs for all the optic options in the game (as BF1's page has), that would be fantastic (I see the 98k has some already). It would be really helpful if wanting to use proper, or at least thematically-appropriate optics, I just have no idea what's what. IIRC the 6x scope for the Enfield is correct for it, though I'm not sure what the 3x scope is. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:38, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:We will need photos of the optics or some video showing them all. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 17:53, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::I'm happy to take photos of whatever, once I can play again on the 15th (since my 10 hours are up). I'm not sure if we want console screenshots on here though. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:07, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::My screenshots are from the Xbox One and I think Highphighs are from the PS4. For the purpose of 600p displayed images, I don’t think 4K/Nvidia Ray tracing enables images have to be the standard...--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:41, 17 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::...I suppose I had just assumed everyone else here was on PC, I'm not entirely sure why. >.> [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:52, 18 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Gun customization screens ==<br />
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Can we use photos like [https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/9xw93v/what_would_the_real_purpose_of_this_attachment_be/ this here from reddit] to illustrate the weapon customization items or somebody who has the game is gonna take screens? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:04, 17 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrNN9EN5Rg From Flakfire, 24 weapons, and a bunch of otber cool stuff too!] [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:24, 23 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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==Anachronistic campaign ==<br />
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British paratroopers dropping from a US plane wearing US inspired uniforms on Norway and using Stens a year before they were in full production. <br />
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STG44s in the hands of anybody before 1944<br />
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The presence of the M1 Carbine anywhere in the war before 1944<br />
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A Tiger tank in Africa in 1941 and also in Norway.<br />
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British never conducted air raids during the day. That was America. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:35, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Storytelling > Year-by-year authenticity. I don't see how what amounts to a rant helps discuss how to improve the page either. Stens are an iconic part of British commando raids, therefore that's what they have; it's ''intuitive'', rather than being strictly technically accurate. The Tiger is present in Africa because it's the same crew that will feature in The Last Tiger, and making them drive a Panzer IV here throws all sorts of wrenches into storytelling consistency. This is also why the Tiger is in Narvik, because, if you somehow hadn't noticed, each section transitions to the next with the same vehicle. For a way this could relate to the actual page, put a blanket note in the introduction that states that (as Battlefield has always done) anything that existed before VJ Day is fair game, and can appear on any map/setting for story and/or gameplay purposes. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:08, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::We always talk about inconsistencies in whatever page. Historical inaccuracy is part of this site. If it states what year it is and a piece of equipment didn't exist at the time, we point it out [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:42, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::What Excalibur said. I don't understand why some people recently have too much of a problem with the fact that we point out the numerous inaccuracies about weapons in media, when this has always been the purpose of this site. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:10, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::I would personally argue that many people have a point with IMFDB pointing out inaccuracies because IMFDB has a very blunt way of stating these inaccuracies, which gives off an arrogant impression (incorrect this, erroneous that) rather than an educational impression. I personally thinks that while pointing out inaccuracies is a part of IMFDB, we also need to take into consideration ''why'' these inaccuracies are made, explain them, rather than just bluntly saying "this wrong". --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 13:15, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::No harm in being blunt, imo.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:08, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::There is, in fact, a lot of harm in not understanding the creators' intent and bigger picture. Even the phrasing "being blunt" is already problematic, as it assumes strict adherence to reality is how a work of fiction (not a documentary) and a video game (not a simulator) is supposed to be judged. Acting as if that's how we should go about things will only make us look like a bunch of overly-literal, small-minded people who have no understanding of thematic elements, storytelling, or gameplay. It amounts to the same sort of useless complaining as "why can an adrenaline shot bring someone back who was blasted in the face with a tank shell?" Because it's good for gameplay. We should not aspire to be the sorts of people who ask uninspired, narrow-minded questions like that. If we want to note the Sten is out of place in the Prologue, an appropriate phrasing would be "The Sten is anachronistic for the raid, as it wasn't produced until 1941, however it was likely chosen by the developers as it's an iconic weapon of the British special forces during the war, helping to set the scene for the player.". Or something to that effect. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 03:06, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::::Alex, we are not here to make up excuses for things being the way they are. If the way they are is not the way they were, we simply say so. If people think that's arrogant or whatever, that's their problem, not ours. There is nothing "elitist" about stating facts plainly and unapologetically, and "elitism" is just a tiresome buzzword that means almost nothing anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:14, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::Yeah, IMFDB is a website based around firearms in media, not media based around firearms. There's nothing wrong with speculating about the reasons why a developer or movie director chose a certain firearm despite it being anachronistic on say, the Battlefield wiki since that wiki is based around the series. But I think its sorta out of the purview of this wiki to speculate UNLESS the developer has come out and stated the reason(s) why.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:51, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::::That or if it's reasonably clear why they might have done it, like say there's an Airsoft gun that does a particular thing the in-game gun does and the real one doesn't. I mean you could certainly get away with saying "the stereotypical image of a WW2 British Commando gives him a Sten, ''but in reality''..." (as with, say, commenting on almost all gangsters in media having Thompsons even though it was very rare IRL), but certainly not try to write fanfiction about how it "sets the scene" or something silly like that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:39, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::Anachronistic stuff is not new in games, remember BO1? BO1 had Soviets in the 60s wearing Afghankas from the 80s and flora camo uniforms from the 90s, in fact the Spetsnaz from BO1 are more appropriate for the Chechen Wars period rather than the 60s. But I understand why they did that, it is clear that Treyarch wanted to steer away from the WW2 period and if they were to add realistic 60s uniforms for the Soviets they would have ended up with very WW2 looking uniforms. Same thing goes for the weapons, realistic 60s guns would be more or less the same stuff from WW2 especially for the Vietnamese, but thanks to BO1 I know of the existence of guns like the KS-23 and the ASP, if it weren't for that game I would never have known of their existence. But back then nobody made any fuss about all that, I presume because the 60s are more obscure period in general.<br />
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:::::This problem is further aggravated with modern games where the emphasis is on multiplayer customization. I think that their first priority is to prepare the cool looking skins for multiplayer customization (and lets be honest, the late war US airborne uniforms are far cooler than early war British uniforms) and they just slap them into the single player campaign which is just shoehorned into a mainly multiplayer game anyway. But that's not an issue, i'm pretty sure the proper British gear is coming down the line anyway. It appears that for some reason devs like to reuse assets a lot, probably they can't handle everything in time for example the bridge in Twisted Steel and also reused in the prologue showing the Battle of Nijmegen is actually based on the bridge from the Battle of Remagen. Is it so expensive for a studio like DICE to make different bridge models or different skins for multiplayer and campaign... who knows?<br />
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:::::In conclusion, older games like the Medal of Honor series, earlier WW2 COD games until WaW have relatively accurate portrayal of uniforms and weapons but on the other hand newer games provide more variety and are actually useful in that you learn about obscure uniforms and weapons from them. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 13:47, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::Well said, both of you. That's the crux of the issue, really. This site in general has a bad tenancy to come across as elitist and condescending when pointing out errors, rather than informative and educational. We don't exist to nitpick pieces of media, we exist to explain them. And explaining ''why'' a certain liberty was taken is equally important as explaining that it's a liberty in the first place. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:03, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::All the thing I said is not being elitist. It's respecting history and the real things troops have done, which the Battlefield franchise has become less and less and becoming more like Call of Duty. There's a difference between taking liberties like if they make a game based on the Son Tay Raiders and it was 4 guys in a coop mission than a bunch of guys, sure. It makes the fight seem more tense and a lot more explody vs say ONE kid did it by himself while doing assasin's creed level of stuff or in the case of Black Ops while wielding an M4 with a fancy red dot that doesn't exist in the time period, absolutely over the top, etc. Call of Duty has never seek to emulate real histories of combat or end missions with paragraphs about the deeds of the real people, but Battlefield outside of the Bad Company games and Hardline has always put a more "realistic" feel in gameplay and feel. That there's a sense of history behind the entertainment. In Battlefield 5. I see a sense of revisionist history [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:29, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::::I... can't disagree more with everything you just said, and honestly parts of that read like talking points from certain less-than-reputable areas of the internet. But I'm interested in less drama, not more, so rather than get into that, I'm simply going to recommend you cool your head off for a bit, and if that doesn't help, then potentially simply staying away from something you don't like would be beneficial to everyone involved. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:05, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::::::All I'm saying is the purpose of this site is to point out what guns are used and any inconsistencies and inaccuracies. That's all. I'm just putting my 2 cents that this game is so full of inaccuracies in weapons and history, it's bullshit and needs to be pointed out [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:02, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::"Less than reputable areas of the internet?" Alex, please, quit while you're ahead. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:35, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::I call things as I see them. At any rate, what I'm finding ironic here is I'm being told we need to be objective and factual by someone who is simply posting very emotionally-charged rants. The main page as it is is fine, but if this attitude starts creeping into it, I'll be opposing that as much as I need to. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:54, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::Let's stick to addressing the things being said rather than criticising tone. If a rant is ''right'' it doesn't matter how "emotionally-charged" it might be. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 23:05, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::That assumes it ''is'' right, which is primarily what I take issue with. But things are fine as they are now, so I'll leave this at that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:20, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::Actually it doesn't assume that, my point is you were addressing ''how'' it was said rather than ''what'' was said. If I tell you smoking is bad for your lungs and you shouldn't do it, in between taking puffs on a cigarette, does the contradiction between my actions and my words have any bearing on whether or not smoking is bad for your lungs? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 23:30, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::I can understand if you are reading my text and assuming my tone from it, but are you saying everything I've said was wrong? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:35, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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I supposed, I'm more passionate some WWII things because I've been reading a lot of the history. There were actual Norwegian commandos that actually did stop the Germans from producing Heavy Water and sunk a boat (not a sub) at the cost of their lives. But in this game, they had 1 girl ninja her way across Norway like Lara fucking Croft by herself and then survive a fall off a bridge, into freezing cold water, almost blacking out and then physically overpowered a German soldier who wasn't in the ice all night...A fully trained adult male commando would of had a hard time, but she shrugged off hypothermia like it was the sniffles. <br />
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The SBS didn't recruit from jails but asked for volunteers from the Royal Marines. I mean, what sense does it make for the guy to recruit 1 bomb maker and then deploy from a ship that most likely have a lot of better explosives than home brew stuff that doesn't work? Then, in that same episode, the game completely forgot we came ashore with a whole squad, but the rest of the team was no where to be found by the end of the mission.<br />
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The last few COD games that did take place in the past like Black Ops went beyond the rails of taking liberties, so at the point, it's blatant fantasy. They weren't trying to recreate the feel of Vietnam, just how the movies portrayed 'Nam. In Battlefield's case, the developers basically lied about keeping historical authenticity. <br />
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We point out the things people don't see in. People want to call it nitpick, so be it. Someone has to tell it correctly [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:56, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::Did you see this YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlAITCBprI video]? This guy addresses a lot the revisionist history you mention above.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:29, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Hahahahahahaha. No. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:53, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
::::Well that's certainly a thorough rebuttal. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:52, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::I'd give a worthy rebuttal to something worth rebutting, not drama-filled, attention-grabbing, Youtube clickbait crap. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:11, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::So as far as correcting the historical record, what did he get wrong? And attempting to separate historical fact from fiction is always a worthy endeavor.--00:51, 3 December 2018 (EST)[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) <br />
In response to what a couple of users said above, I'm going to say this... you might call me an asshole for it, but I need to get this off of my chest. Guys, today there are '''enough''' places filled with people who are too easily offended by choices of words and the like... *cough* Facebook *cough*... please, PLEASE, don't let IMFDB turn into this. If some game developers have a habit of not making decent research and blatantly ignoring simple weaponry basics, we will bluntly say that it is wrong, period. Basically just like we've been doing for years. Now, if there are some choices that are '''definitely''' justified, sure, we can be lenient; PUBG is a good example, where the calibers are simplified to 9mm, 7.62mm, etc. to allow several weapons to share ammo with each other for gameplay purposes (or another example: as you all know, BF1 has multiple weapons that were extremely rare, but their inclusion was nice so that the game's pace doesn't become boring and that we don't get limited to bolt-action rifles and the like). But when games repeatedly make incredibly dumb mistakes (yes, Call of Duty, I'm talking about you - and no I'm not spreading hate since that's the franchise that I play the most, but I do have to acknowledge the numerous inaccuracies present in it), we '''do''' have to point this out. And regarding the Sten, no, the point about "iconic British weapon" isn't needed, firstly because any idiot with a bit of gaming knowledge easily knows this, and secondly because the devs could have simply made the in-game Brits use M1928 Thompsons instead. Same things goes for, let's say... BO1: during the 1960s there were enough automatic firearms and the like (AMD-65, M2 Carbine, XM177, Sa vz. 23, Beretta M12, Remington Model 1100, etc.), so it wasn't that hard to include more appropriate weapons than the ones present in-game. If some people outside of IMFDB think that we are "overly-literal" or things like that, it's their problem, and we don't need to care about it (in fact, I've seen quite the opposite happening: based on YouTube comments, people have been actually reacting positively to the fact that we're sarcastic about the inaccuracies in CoD and other games). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:37, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:IMFDB is not going to turn into that. Not while I'm still alive, anyway. We do not base our decisions on the hypothetical reactions of imaginary people. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:18, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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Remember good old days of Battlefield where they were historically accurate shooters? You don't? Because it never happened. In a game where the HMS Prince of Wales where somehow the US Navy rose from the depths off the coast of Malaya and it bombards the Type 5 wielding, Panzershreck toating Japanese Navy Soldiers on Iwo Jima? Or should we try the NVA deploying Mi-8/Ka-25s against the Marines at Con Thein. BFV is modest by comparison and is in the same standards as all the other Battlefields in terms of historical accuracy (AKA Fucking garbage). -- [[User:Osaka amd|Osaka amd]] ([[User talk:Osaka amd|talk]]) 13:53, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, but nobody ever tried to argue those things should get a free pass because ~art~. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:16, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:::I don't remember a lot of the older games and if I did, I'd probably point out historical inaccuracies in that too. I don't give historical inaccuracies a pass unless the premise is fantasy. I talked a lengths with how the movie Fury was completely inaccurate in how they portrayed tank combat in WWII [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:37, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
::::That's certainly one way to look at fiction, and I do respect it and think it's perfectly valid, though I really don't share that sort of take on storytelling and entertainment. There's a clear difference between "Documentary" and "Fiction", and it's really the exact same difference as "Gameplay" vs "Realism" in a video game context. Really, it's a matter of perspective, where "Fury is not a very realistic movie" and "Fury is a great piece of storytelling and cinematography", and both can actually be true at once, it's a matter of what angle you take on a given piece of media. Personally, I prefer to judge a given piece of media on the intent of its creators; it would hardly be fair to judge something like Die Hard on its realism, because you'd be judging it on something it never wanted to be in the first place, just as you wouldn't judge Saving Private Ryan on how well it handles romance. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 01:05, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::If there's a clear difference between documentary and fiction, why is is possible to create a fictional documentary? I feel you're positioning things as opposites that aren't actually opposed to each other. Moreover, you can analyse things from any perspective you want to, regardless of the creator's intentions. Indeed, since you can't know the creator's intentions (even if they state them, they might be lying) it's actually not a very useful mode of analysis. This is why literary analysis has run on "death of the author" for over a century.<br />
:::::Check out [http://www.ultimax.com/whitepapers/1996_3.html this] as an example. It's a long, legitimately interesting article about matters of real physics as related to ''Independence Day''. Now it should go without saying that "what would these ships do if they actually existed?" was not a major concern when making that film, but it doesn't mean it's "unfair" to analyse it that way. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:52, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:As regards the main post, it's worth noting that ''BF1942'' and ''Vietnam'' did not have storyline campaigns and were just a series of multiplayer battle missions, and it's not like nobody found the ship being ''Prince of Wales'', out of all the allied battleships they could have chosen, to be more than a little bizarre (I guess it's just because they had the model from making the intro FMV). But the real issue with ''BFV'' was that ''stupid'' initial trailer where they were showing off all the daft customisations they wanted to nickel-and-dime players for with microtransactions, as if that's what people would be excited by after the fiasco with ''Battlefront II''. All they needed to have done was remake the ''Battlefield 1942'' intro with modern assets and they'd have struck gold, but instead we got this weird mess of a thing. And while the ''BF1'' campaign had its share of nonsense (such as the WW1 Juggernaut suit), we didn't have quotes from a high-ranking idiot at DICE saying it was done that way to further media representation of men in suits of armour with machine guns because his son is one of those.<br />
:The whole "let's take a real story that's about a group of real people, then replace them with people we think are more marketable" approach to historical fiction has been rightly criticised for a long time. Remember the objections to ''U-571'' telling the story of how the naval Enigma machine was captured by the Americans? Or Ben Affleck winning the Battle of Britain in ''Pearl Harbor'' even though no Eagle Squadron was operating during the Battle of Britain? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:24, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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::If you're making historical fiction, something is going to be made up, whether it be the events, the characters, the locations, and so on. Saving Private Ryan, made up the MG 42 pillboxes, they didn't exist like that on Omaha. Ramelle, the town at the end battle, is similarly entirely fictional. I've really never understood why Rafe's Eagle Squadron bit annoys so many people. He went to Britain, fought in Eagle Squadron, we see him get a couple kills, then get shot down. Like... okay? Look, I'm Canadian, and generally we always find the whole "Americans insert themselves into things" pretty silly/amusing, but I just don't see the issue here, when he really didn't do anything especially notable or important there, certainly not "winning the Battle of Britain". [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:11, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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::The Juggernaut suit in the BF1 campaign is relatively historical. The armor is based on an [http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/248601-wwi-american-body-armor/ experimental US armor] which did not see service and the helmet is based on Italian Farina helmets. As a whole, the entire "Juggernaut" concept is based on the [http://amodelcastillo.blogspot.com/2016/11/el-origen-de-los-militari-arditi.html medievalesque nature of the warfare employed by the Italians at the Alpine front, heck they apparently even used shields]. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 16:36, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Indeed. And additionally, the purpose of ''Avanti Savoia'' was that it was a story being told in "the present" of the framing narrative, many years after the war. We're not playing through the events as they actually happened, we're playing through the events in the manner Luca is recounting them, with a blend of time having passed, a general tenancy to romanticize past events, and through his daughter's perspective, who's never experienced the horrors of war and can't quite imagine the events in that light anyway. Did Luca really take on hundreds of Austro-Hungarians all by himself, eating hundreds of bullets? No. But he did ''feel'' that way about it, and ''remembers'' it that way (to say nothing of how many crazy things have been done in wars that post people wouldn't believe are true at first telling), on top of not wanting to scare is daughter too much (thus his line about being "completely safe in his armour"). [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:11, 2 December 2018 (EST)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Battlefield_V&diff=1234573Talk:Battlefield V2018-12-02T01:29:21Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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A couple great resources you guys should take a look at: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xegBXGaFrOU JackFrags' video] on tons of new features and design, and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23dzc8zXjdo Flakfire's trailer breakdown] with tons of details. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Thoughts? ==<br />
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So, ignoring the ''elephantess'' in the room (which, if you're worried about it, bear in mind that the devs do have several months to listen to the community's backlash, so there's that), what are your thoughts on the game so far? I've heard mixed opinions on the gameplay mechanics and changes being introduced, and I'm curious as to what people here think about some of the things to come (e.g. the constructible fortifications, the squad-reinforcement vehicles and rockets, the spotting changes, the limited vehicle ammo, the ''Hardline''-esque TTK, the Grand Operations gamemode, the universal revives, the towable emplaced guns, the reduced reserve ammo and health regen, etc.). What are your thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:00, 10 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:My thoughts are that I love literally everything we've seen and heard so far, everything feels like an improvement. Not really the most in-depth thoughts, but I've got nothing bad to say. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:07, 10 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Lets see how good the campaign will be... hoping that they will add even the most obscure WW2 guns--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:28, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm just bummed out that we're getting yet another WW2 game.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:45, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::Well, is just that both companies had adopted a "Follow the Leader" policy. They care about getting a lot of sales, not original content. Hardline? Original (and I loved it) but didnt sold out well. BF1?? Semi-original. And sold better. CoD WW2 sold because fans got righteously tired of the sci-fi trend and got back to roots. BF:V is trying to do the same. Well in 20th Century alone a lot of war happened from the most famous WW1 and WW2 to the most obscure ones like the Sino-Indian War,The Troubles and the Timor East War. I would kinda like it to see a AAA FPS set in those conflicts.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 11:03, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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The Turner SMLE semi-auto conversion is an odd choice by DICE considering the real gun was rejected by the Canadian Army. I would've preferred the Howell from BF1 or other more successful conversions like the Rieder or even the Charlton. --[[User:MJ79|MJ79]] ([[User talk:MJ79|talk]]) 03:27, 8 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I'm not sure if the Howell saw much use during WWII, though. As for the Rieder and the Charlton, they would have practically gone to the machine guns class. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 04:36, 8 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Anyway, given all the liberties that DICE took for weapon choices in BF1, I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same for the following game. In fact, BF5 currently has the Selbstlader M1916, which I don't think it really fits in it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 04:42, 8 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::BFV has the M1916 because they needed a British-or-German non-DLC SLR from BF1, for the matching skin set. And it's a neat rifle, I'm happy to see it again; the more the merrier, really. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 12:38, 8 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::Well yeah, it's a fantastic weapon; my point was just that it doesn't exactly fit in a WWII game. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:18, 23 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::I think the Selbstlader 1916 is probably just standing in for another German semi-auto rifle they haven't announced yet, similar to how the MP18 Arras skin is going to be transferred over to the MP28. In a similar vein, I also believe the Steyr m.95 is going to be the 1930 version as well.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 16:34, 23 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Please don't remove it and similar things from the page, it's almost certainly going to be in the first batch of guns added after launch, I'd bet on within the first month. Ditto for the Vickers K, and given we saw the Hi-Power in concept art, it seems likely it'll be an SAS / commando themed set of stuff. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 04:45, 3 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Hey Nanomat, I like what you're doing here with the cosmetic modifications, but I wonder if there might be some better way to present them. Having a specific section for Sten Mk V for example isn't very helpful when the weapon doesn't actually appear in-game, just parts of it. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:09, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Well, maybe we should use the CODWW2 method with subsections. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:22, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::Well, in CODWW2, the variants are full weapons; here they're just small parts. I think guns that appear as parts and not full guns should be all sorted into a subsection distinct from all weapon classes. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:38, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::I feel either subsections (like the pistol carbine variants and such on the Battlefield 1 page), or, alternatively, a whole separate section at the very bottom of the page dedicated to parts of guns that aren't actually in the game, but have customization parts (as some movie pages do with giant gun walls and the like) would be best. EDIT: Grease Gun flash hider? Neat. Considering we also have Shermans, including a Calliope variant, in the campaign (as well as that giant mortar German halftrack), we might be getting the Americans sooner rather than later. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:52, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::My current format matches with the "whole separate section at the very bottom of the page" format you mentioned. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 03:26, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::Yeah, I noticed that right after I posted here. >.> [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:48, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::Just to point out, almost all outfits for the British team are actually American so technically the US are already in as far as I'm concerned. In fact, the PROPER British uniforms are nowhere to be found :D --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 17:26, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::I honestly can't tell the difference, pretty much all the gear in the game looks the same to my eyes; helmets (stahlhelm, brodie) and officer uniforms are the only things that look identifiable past "WWII-era gear" to me. :P [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:34, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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This isn't my area of expertise at all, but if we could eventually get IDs for all the optic options in the game (as BF1's page has), that would be fantastic (I see the 98k has some already). It would be really helpful if wanting to use proper, or at least thematically-appropriate optics, I just have no idea what's what. IIRC the 6x scope for the Enfield is correct for it, though I'm not sure what the 3x scope is. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:38, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:We will need photos of the optics or some video showing them all. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 17:53, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::I'm happy to take photos of whatever, once I can play again on the 15th (since my 10 hours are up). I'm not sure if we want console screenshots on here though. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:07, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::My screenshots are from the Xbox One and I think Highphighs are from the PS4. For the purpose of 600p displayed images, I don’t think 4K/Nvidia Ray tracing enables images have to be the standard...--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:41, 17 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::...I suppose I had just assumed everyone else here was on PC, I'm not entirely sure why. >.> [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:52, 18 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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Can we use photos like [https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/9xw93v/what_would_the_real_purpose_of_this_attachment_be/ this here from reddit] to illustrate the weapon customization items or somebody who has the game is gonna take screens? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 18:04, 17 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrNN9EN5Rg From Flakfire, 24 weapons, and a bunch of otber cool stuff too!] [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:24, 23 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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British never conducted air raids during the day. That was America. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:35, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Storytelling > Year-by-year authenticity. I don't see how what amounts to a rant helps discuss how to improve the page either. Stens are an iconic part of British commando raids, therefore that's what they have; it's ''intuitive'', rather than being strictly technically accurate. The Tiger is present in Africa because it's the same crew that will feature in The Last Tiger, and making them drive a Panzer IV here throws all sorts of wrenches into storytelling consistency. This is also why the Tiger is in Narvik, because, if you somehow hadn't noticed, each section transitions to the next with the same vehicle. For a way this could relate to the actual page, put a blanket note in the introduction that states that (as Battlefield has always done) anything that existed before VJ Day is fair game, and can appear on any map/setting for story and/or gameplay purposes. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:08, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::We always talk about inconsistencies in whatever page. Historical inaccuracy is part of this site. If it states what year it is and a piece of equipment didn't exist at the time, we point it out [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:42, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::What Excalibur said. I don't understand why some people recently have too much of a problem with the fact that we point out the numerous inaccuracies about weapons in media, when this has always been the purpose of this site. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:10, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::I would personally argue that many people have a point with IMFDB pointing out inaccuracies because IMFDB has a very blunt way of stating these inaccuracies, which gives off an arrogant impression (incorrect this, erroneous that) rather than an educational impression. I personally thinks that while pointing out inaccuracies is a part of IMFDB, we also need to take into consideration ''why'' these inaccuracies are made, explain them, rather than just bluntly saying "this wrong". --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 13:15, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::No harm in being blunt, imo.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:08, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::There is, in fact, a lot of harm in not understanding the creators' intent and bigger picture. Even the phrasing "being blunt" is already problematic, as it assumes strict adherence to reality is how a work of fiction (not a documentary) and a video game (not a simulator) is supposed to be judged. Acting as if that's how we should go about things will only make us look like a bunch of overly-literal, small-minded people who have no understanding of thematic elements, storytelling, or gameplay. It amounts to the same sort of useless complaining as "why can an adrenaline shot bring someone back who was blasted in the face with a tank shell?" Because it's good for gameplay. We should not aspire to be the sorts of people who ask uninspired, narrow-minded questions like that. If we want to note the Sten is out of place in the Prologue, an appropriate phrasing would be "The Sten is anachronistic for the raid, as it wasn't produced until 1941, however it was likely chosen by the developers as it's an iconic weapon of the British special forces during the war, helping to set the scene for the player.". Or something to that effect. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 03:06, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::::Alex, we are not here to make up excuses for things being the way they are. If the way they are is not the way they were, we simply say so. If people think that's arrogant or whatever, that's their problem, not ours. There is nothing "elitist" about stating facts plainly and unapologetically, and "elitism" is just a tiresome buzzword that means almost nothing anyway. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:14, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::Yeah, IMFDB is a website based around firearms in media, not media based around firearms. There's nothing wrong with speculating about the reasons why a developer or movie director chose a certain firearm despite it being anachronistic on say, the Battlefield wiki since that wiki is based around the series. But I think its sorta out of the purview of this wiki to speculate UNLESS the developer has come out and stated the reason(s) why.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:51, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::::That or if it's reasonably clear why they might have done it, like say there's an Airsoft gun that does a particular thing the in-game gun does and the real one doesn't. I mean you could certainly get away with saying "the stereotypical image of a WW2 British Commando gives him a Sten, ''but in reality''..." (as with, say, commenting on almost all gangsters in media having Thompsons even though it was very rare IRL), but certainly not try to write fanfiction about how it "sets the scene" or something silly like that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:39, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::Anachronistic stuff is not new in games, remember BO1? BO1 had Soviets in the 60s wearing Afghankas from the 80s and flora camo uniforms from the 90s, in fact the Spetsnaz from BO1 are more appropriate for the Chechen Wars period rather than the 60s. But I understand why they did that, it is clear that Treyarch wanted to steer away from the WW2 period and if they were to add realistic 60s uniforms for the Soviets they would have ended up with very WW2 looking uniforms. Same thing goes for the weapons, realistic 60s guns would be more or less the same stuff from WW2 especially for the Vietnamese, but thanks to BO1 I know of the existence of guns like the KS-23 and the ASP, if it weren't for that game I would never have known of their existence. But back then nobody made any fuss about all that, I presume because the 60s are more obscure period in general.<br />
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::::::Well said, both of you. That's the crux of the issue, really. This site in general has a bad tenancy to come across as elitist and condescending when pointing out errors, rather than informative and educational. We don't exist to nitpick pieces of media, we exist to explain them. And explaining ''why'' a certain liberty was taken is equally important as explaining that it's a liberty in the first place. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:03, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::All the thing I said is not being elitist. It's respecting history and the real things troops have done, which the Battlefield franchise has become less and less and becoming more like Call of Duty. There's a difference between taking liberties like if they make a game based on the Son Tay Raiders and it was 4 guys in a coop mission than a bunch of guys, sure. It makes the fight seem more tense and a lot more explody vs say ONE kid did it by himself while doing assasin's creed level of stuff or in the case of Black Ops while wielding an M4 with a fancy red dot that doesn't exist in the time period, absolutely over the top, etc. Call of Duty has never seek to emulate real histories of combat or end missions with paragraphs about the deeds of the real people, but Battlefield outside of the Bad Company games and Hardline has always put a more "realistic" feel in gameplay and feel. That there's a sense of history behind the entertainment. In Battlefield 5. I see a sense of revisionist history [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:29, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::::I... can't disagree more with everything you just said, and honestly parts of that read like talking points from certain less-than-reputable areas of the internet. But I'm interested in less drama, not more, so rather than get into that, I'm simply going to recommend you cool your head off for a bit, and if that doesn't help, then potentially simply staying away from something you don't like would be beneficial to everyone involved. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:05, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::::::All I'm saying is the purpose of this site is to point out what guns are used and any inconsistencies and inaccuracies. That's all. I'm just putting my 2 cents that this game is so full of inaccuracies in weapons and history, it's bullshit and needs to be pointed out [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:02, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::I call things as I see them. At any rate, what I'm finding ironic here is I'm being told we need to be objective and factual by someone who is simply posting very emotionally-charged rants. The main page as it is is fine, but if this attitude starts creeping into it, I'll be opposing that as much as I need to. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:54, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::Let's stick to addressing the things being said rather than criticising tone. If a rant is ''right'' it doesn't matter how "emotionally-charged" it might be. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 23:05, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::That assumes it ''is'' right, which is primarily what I take issue with. But things are fine as they are now, so I'll leave this at that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:20, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::Actually it doesn't assume that, my point is you were addressing ''how'' it was said rather than ''what'' was said. If I tell you smoking is bad for your lungs and you shouldn't do it, in between taking puffs on a cigarette, does the contradiction between my actions and my words have any bearing on whether or not smoking is bad for your lungs? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 23:30, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::I can understand if you are reading my text and assuming my tone from it, but are you saying everything I've said was wrong? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:35, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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I supposed, I'm more passionate some WWII things because I've been reading a lot of the history. There were actual Norwegian commandos that actually did stop the Germans from producing Heavy Water and sunk a boat (not a sub) at the cost of their lives. But in this game, they had 1 girl ninja her way across Norway like Lara fucking Croft by herself and then survive a fall off a bridge, into freezing cold water, almost blacking out and then physically overpowered a German soldier who wasn't in the ice all night...A fully trained adult male commando would of had a hard time, but she shrugged off hypothermia like it was the sniffles. <br />
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::Did you see this YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlAITCBprI video]? This guy addresses a lot the revisionist history you mention above.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:29, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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In response to what a couple of users said above, I'm going to say this... you might call me an asshole for it, but I need to get this off of my chest. Guys, today there are '''enough''' places filled with people who are too easily offended by choices of words and the like... *cough* Facebook *cough*... please, PLEASE, don't let IMFDB turn into this. If some game developers have a habit of not making decent research and blatantly ignoring simple weaponry basics, we will bluntly say that it is wrong, period. Basically just like we've been doing for years. Now, if there are some choices that are '''definitely''' justified, sure, we can be lenient; PUBG is a good example, where the calibers are simplified to 9mm, 7.62mm, etc. to allow several weapons to share ammo with each other for gameplay purposes (or another example: as you all know, BF1 has multiple weapons that were extremely rare, but their inclusion was nice so that the game's pace doesn't become boring and that we don't get limited to bolt-action rifles and the like). But when games repeatedly make incredibly dumb mistakes (yes, Call of Duty, I'm talking about you - and no I'm not spreading hate since that's the franchise that I play the most, but I do have to acknowledge the numerous inaccuracies present in it), we '''do''' have to point this out. And regarding the Sten, no, the point about "iconic British weapon" isn't needed, firstly because any idiot with a bit of gaming knowledge easily knows this, and secondly because the devs could have simply made the in-game Brits use M1928 Thompsons instead. Same things goes for, let's say... BO1: during the 1960s there were enough automatic firearms and the like (AMD-65, M2 Carbine, XM177, Sa vz. 23, Beretta M12, Remington Model 1100, etc.), so it wasn't that hard to include more appropriate weapons than the ones present in-game. If some people outside of IMFDB think that we are "overly-literal" or things like that, it's their problem, and we don't need to care about it (in fact, I've seen quite the opposite happening: based on YouTube comments, people have been actually reacting positively to the fact that we're sarcastic about the inaccuracies in CoD and other games). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:37, 29 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:IMFDB is not going to turn into that. Not while I'm still alive, anyway. We do not base our decisions on the hypothetical reactions of imaginary people. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:18, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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Remember good old days of Battlefield where they were historically accurate shooters? You don't? Because it never happened. In a game where the HMS Prince of Wales where somehow the US Navy rose from the depths off the coast of Malaya and it bombards the Type 5 wielding, Panzershreck toating Japanese Navy Soldiers on Iwo Jima? Or should we try the NVA deploying Mi-8/Ka-25s against the Marines at Con Thein. BFV is modest by comparison and is in the same standards as all the other Battlefields in terms of historical accuracy (AKA Fucking garbage). -- [[User:Osaka amd|Osaka amd]] ([[User talk:Osaka amd|talk]]) 13:53, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, but nobody ever tried to argue those things should get a free pass because ~art~. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:16, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:::I don't remember a lot of the older games and if I did, I'd probably point out historical inaccuracies in that too. I don't give historical inaccuracies a pass unless the premise is fantasy. I talked a lengths with how the movie Fury was completely inaccurate in how they portrayed tank combat in WWII [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:37, 1 December 2018 (EST)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Dead_Redemption_II&diff=1222897Talk:Red Dead Redemption II2018-10-24T02:52:36Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>How do you edit titles? I'm asking because seeing "Red Dead Redemption" written as "Red dead redemption" irritates the living hell out of my OCD. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:18, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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:Is there even a trailer available? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:53, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
::There's been a trailer up on Youtube for weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA6MrX81z4 --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
:::Yeah, a trailer dropped October 20. Blew up the internet. There weren't any super good shots of weapons, but here's what I saw:<br />
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* A man leaning against a stagecoach looking at vultures pecking at a coyote corpse is holding what looks like a double-barreled shotgun.<br />
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Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--[[User:Eighteen98|Eighteen98]] ([[User talk:Eighteen98|talk]]) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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==Spring 2018==<br />
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new [http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60210/Red-Dead-Redemption-2-Is-Now-Coming-Spring-2018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=newswire&utm_content=rdr2-05222017 images] including a good shot of some revolvers.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
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[[Smith & Wesson No. 3]]s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a ''proper'' page for this game, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
:My bad, S&W Model 3s ''are'' Schofields. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63h3v9QV7w --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:21, 29 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Rifle ID ==<br />
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Carcano M91 Long? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming [http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-12-18-you-can-already-unlock-a-gun-in-red-dead-redemption-2-by-playing-gta-online back] --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::There's no page for the M1892.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reportajes/avance-red-dead-redemption-2-ps4-xbox-one-exclusiva-198494<br />
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:I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Those are some nicely detailed weapon animations.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 12:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::It seems that the all guns will just return from the first game. It is worth noting that in this case it will be more correct than there. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -[[User:1morey]] September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)<br />
:::Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, some new weapons would be nice. I would like to see a couple different bolt actions instead of just the Krag.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-tlY6ytk8<br />
Finally get to see some first person perspective gameplay.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 23:56, 1 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Is it a Browning or is it a Maxim? ==<br />
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The page states the Browning 1917 was replaced by the Maxim 1895 for the new game, however the models look almost identical unless I'm missing something?<br />
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RDR 1: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/73/RDR_Maxim_2.JPG/600px-RDR_Maxim_2.JPG<br />
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RDR 2: http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/58/RDRII_Browning.jpg<br />
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--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 14:19, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:This is Maxim. But the tripod is from Browning. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:10, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
::The RDR2 model has the distinctive spring box of the Maxim. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Borchardt C93 confirmed==<br />
[[File:Red Dead Redemption II-Borchardt C93.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]<br />
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== New weapon ==<br />
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One of the pre-order incentives includes a rifle dubbed ingame as the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle". (looks to be a small caliber muzzleloader): https://i.redd.it/m1thsegj01o11.jpg (Not the shotgun, but the other long gun on Arthur's back) - [[User:1morey]] October 3, 2018 3:48 PM (EST)<br />
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:Looks like some flavor of generic single shot .22 rifle that would've been more common than dirt in 1899 given everyone and their mother were making some subvariation of that basic idea. Given the name "Lancaster", I'll guess it's some ersatz version of Winchester and thus would be some variation of Winchester single shots you might be able to somewhat narrow down on. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 5 October, 2018 22:02 (EST)<br />
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== High Roller Double action revolver ==<br />
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[[File:Hiroller.jpg|thumb|none|500px||]]<br />
A PS4 exclusive what model is this supposed to be?--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 21:08, 5 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
:It looks like just an engraved version of the same Colt M1892 New Army & Navy Revolver. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 21:24, 5 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Rockstar Website weapons preview==<br />
https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/features/weaponry<br />
--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 11:31, 12 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons speculation==<br />
So it was announced there will be over 50 weapons in the game, which means there should be quite a large selection of new firearms to use. The interesting thing is that the available screenshots and video only show weapons that were already in the previous game. Other than the mention of the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle", Rockstar have given no indication what the new firearms will be. There are quite a few possibilities. Winchester 1887, Burgess, & Spenser shotguns. For rifles, Winchester 1895, Savage 1899, Remington-Keene, Remington-Lee, Winchester-Hotchkiss, Mauser, Winchester 1890 and Colt Lightning. I'm not sure which pistols could be added, but the Colt Lightning, Remington 1875/1890, and Browning 1899 are possible choices. Maybe we could even see the 1895 Colt Machine gun? Of course a portion of the new weapons will be for melee, but I would think the majority will be firearms. Anyway, I hope at least some of what I listed appear in the game.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:53, 18 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Partial Weapons list leaked ==<br />
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Check it out while you can because this leak might disappear soon:<br />
https://ibb.co/m4xvaq<br />
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--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 19:06, 22 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Mauser C96, what looks like a Winchester 1890, Springfield Trapdoor Rifle, Krag-Jorgensen Rifle, Spencer 1860 Carbine, Winchester Model 1866 Yellowboy Carbine, Henry Rifle, Double Barreled Hammer Shotguns and a Sawed off double. Looks like Lancaster is the in universe equivalent of Winchester and they're calling the Henry a Litchfield. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 20:43, 22 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Those are all already confirmed weapons, not a big surprise here. --[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 20:50, 22 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
:There was a video on YouTube(now since taken down) that appeared to show every weapon listed in the guide, and it was kind of disappointing. A large number of the 50 weapons are of the thrown or melee variety. Only two new firearms have been added, the Winchester 1890 & Winchester 1887. In fact, weapons from the previous game have been cut from RDR2. The Lemat, Evans, Sharps, & FN Pistol are gone. The FN getting axed isn't really a surprise but I thought the others would be carried over. The weapon count was also inflated by having 2 or 3 different versions of one gun, but classifying each one as a separate and unique. When I read there would be over 50 weapons I thought for sure there would be a wide array of firearms, but instead this is rather deceptive and there are actually less than before. Hopefully more will be added with DLC.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 23 October 2018 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Dead_Redemption_II&diff=1221556Talk:Red Dead Redemption II2018-10-19T03:56:20Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>How do you edit titles? I'm asking because seeing "Red Dead Redemption" written as "Red dead redemption" irritates the living hell out of my OCD. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:18, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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==Delete it and start again is the fastest way [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 20:21, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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Yeah sorry about that, took me about 15 minutes to figure it out but I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.<br />
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:Is there even a trailer available? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:53, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
::There's been a trailer up on Youtube for weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA6MrX81z4 --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
:::Yeah, a trailer dropped October 20. Blew up the internet. There weren't any super good shots of weapons, but here's what I saw:<br />
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* A man walking a horse with a deer on its back is holding some kind of carbine (like a full size Spencer or Springfield Trapdoor that was cut down or something).<br />
* A man leaning against a stagecoach looking at vultures pecking at a coyote corpse is holding what looks like a double-barreled shotgun.<br />
* A gunfighter is holding a Winchester rifle.<br />
* A shot of seven riders shows them with Colt SAAs, one with a Henry rifle, and one with a sawed-off shotgun.<br />
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- [[User:1morey]] December 12, 2016 9:09 PM (EST)<br />
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Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--[[User:Eighteen98|Eighteen98]] ([[User talk:Eighteen98|talk]]) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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File:Red Dead Redemption 2A.jpg<br />
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==Spring 2018==<br />
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new [http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60210/Red-Dead-Redemption-2-Is-Now-Coming-Spring-2018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=newswire&utm_content=rdr2-05222017 images] including a good shot of some revolvers.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
[[File:RedDeadRedemption2Revolvers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Scholfields?]]<br />
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[[Smith & Wesson No. 3]]s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a ''proper'' page for this game, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
:My bad, S&W Model 3s ''are'' Schofields. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== New page ==<br />
Since we have some ''actual'' guns to identify now, I've recreated the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Trailer 2 ==<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63h3v9QV7w --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:21, 29 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Rifle ID ==<br />
Bill Williamson is holding a rifle in this cap, but it's hard to make out because of the lighting.<br />
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[[File:RDR2-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
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Carcano M91 Long? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== New revolver confirmed ==<br />
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The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming [http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-12-18-you-can-already-unlock-a-gun-in-red-dead-redemption-2-by-playing-gta-online back] --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::There's no page for the M1892.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Trailer 3 + fresh articles with images ==<br />
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This is the site with the images, a few of which have the Jorg-Kraggson rifle from the first game, the spencer carbine, some sort of repeater (probably the henry) and some sort of shotgun<br />
https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reportajes/avance-red-dead-redemption-2-ps4-xbox-one-exclusiva-198494<br />
this one aswell:<br />
http://www.jeuxactu.com/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-repousse-les-limites-de-l-open-world-113716.htm?utm_source=api&utm_medium=113716&utm_campaign=Twitter<br />
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here's the third trailer btw:<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaW0tYpxyp0<br />
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:I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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I have a repeater here.<br />
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[[File:RDR 2 First Look 36.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
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I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==New Gameplay video==<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE<br />
Those are some nicely detailed weapon animations.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 12:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I haven't watched the trailer yet (I'm knee-deep in ''[[Sicario]]'' right at the moment), but I will later and if there's anything worth capping, I'll do so unless someone else wants to go ahead and do so. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:34, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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There's a new sniper rifle.<br />
[[File:RDR2-Sniper-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
Rolling Block Carbine?<br />
[[File:Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine - .50-45]]<br />
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:46, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::It seems that the all guns will just return from the first game. It is worth noting that in this case it will be more correct than there. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Best gun detail of any Rockstar game yet? ==<br />
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You can see the detail right down to the file marks here: https://i.imgur.com/wLeXIwv.jpg [[User:brasco|brasco]]<br />
:From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -[[User:1morey]] September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)<br />
:::Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, some new weapons would be nice. I would like to see a couple different bolt actions instead of just the Krag.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Gameplay Trailer #2 ==<br />
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-tlY6ytk8<br />
Finally get to see some first person perspective gameplay.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 23:56, 1 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Is it a Browning or is it a Maxim? ==<br />
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The page states the Browning 1917 was replaced by the Maxim 1895 for the new game, however the models look almost identical unless I'm missing something?<br />
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RDR 1: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/73/RDR_Maxim_2.JPG/600px-RDR_Maxim_2.JPG<br />
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RDR 2: http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/58/RDRII_Browning.jpg<br />
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--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 14:19, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:This is Maxim. But the tripod is from Browning. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:10, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
::The RDR2 model has the distinctive spring box of the Maxim. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Borchardt C93 confirmed==<br />
[[File:Red Dead Redemption II-Borchardt C93.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]<br />
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== New weapon ==<br />
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One of the pre-order incentives includes a rifle dubbed ingame as the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle". (looks to be a small caliber muzzleloader): https://i.redd.it/m1thsegj01o11.jpg (Not the shotgun, but the other long gun on Arthur's back) - [[User:1morey]] October 3, 2018 3:48 PM (EST)<br />
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:Looks like some flavor of generic single shot .22 rifle that would've been more common than dirt in 1899 given everyone and their mother were making some subvariation of that basic idea. Given the name "Lancaster", I'll guess it's some ersatz version of Winchester and thus would be some variation of Winchester single shots you might be able to somewhat narrow down on. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 5 October, 2018 22:02 (EST)<br />
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== High Roller Double action revolver ==<br />
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[[File:Hiroller.jpg|thumb|none|500px||]]<br />
A PS4 exclusive what model is this supposed to be?--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 21:08, 5 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
:It looks like just an engraved version of the same Colt M1892 New Army & Navy Revolver. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 21:24, 5 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Rockstar Website weapons preview==<br />
https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/features/weaponry<br />
--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 11:31, 12 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons speculation==<br />
So it was announced there will be over 50 weapons in the game, which means there should be quite a large selection of new firearms to use. The interesting thing is that the available screenshots and video only show weapons that were already in the previous game. Other than the mention of the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle", Rockstar have given no indication what the new firearms will be. There are quite a few possibilities. Winchester 1887, Burgess, & Spenser shotguns. For rifles, Winchester 1895, Savage 1899, Remington-Keene, Remington-Lee, Winchester-Hotchkiss, Mauser, Winchester 1890 and Colt Lightning. I'm not sure which pistols could be added, but the Colt Lightning, Remington 1875/1890, and Browning 1899 are possible choices. Maybe we could even see the 1895 Colt Machine gun? Of course a portion of the new weapons will be for melee, but I would think the majority will be firearms. Anyway, I hope at least some of what I listed appear in the game.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:53, 18 October 2018 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Dead_Redemption_II&diff=1221555Talk:Red Dead Redemption II2018-10-19T03:53:59Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>How do you edit titles? I'm asking because seeing "Red Dead Redemption" written as "Red dead redemption" irritates the living hell out of my OCD. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:18, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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==Delete it and start again is the fastest way [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 20:21, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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Yeah sorry about that, took me about 15 minutes to figure it out but I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.<br />
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:Is there even a trailer available? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:53, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
::There's been a trailer up on Youtube for weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA6MrX81z4 --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
:::Yeah, a trailer dropped October 20. Blew up the internet. There weren't any super good shots of weapons, but here's what I saw:<br />
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* A man walking a horse with a deer on its back is holding some kind of carbine (like a full size Spencer or Springfield Trapdoor that was cut down or something).<br />
* A man leaning against a stagecoach looking at vultures pecking at a coyote corpse is holding what looks like a double-barreled shotgun.<br />
* A gunfighter is holding a Winchester rifle.<br />
* A shot of seven riders shows them with Colt SAAs, one with a Henry rifle, and one with a sawed-off shotgun.<br />
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- [[User:1morey]] December 12, 2016 9:09 PM (EST)<br />
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Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--[[User:Eighteen98|Eighteen98]] ([[User talk:Eighteen98|talk]]) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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File:Red Dead Redemption 2A.jpg<br />
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==Spring 2018==<br />
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new [http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60210/Red-Dead-Redemption-2-Is-Now-Coming-Spring-2018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=newswire&utm_content=rdr2-05222017 images] including a good shot of some revolvers.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
[[File:RedDeadRedemption2Revolvers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Scholfields?]]<br />
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[[Smith & Wesson No. 3]]s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a ''proper'' page for this game, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
:My bad, S&W Model 3s ''are'' Schofields. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== New page ==<br />
Since we have some ''actual'' guns to identify now, I've recreated the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Trailer 2 ==<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63h3v9QV7w --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:21, 29 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Rifle ID ==<br />
Bill Williamson is holding a rifle in this cap, but it's hard to make out because of the lighting.<br />
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[[File:RDR2-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
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Carcano M91 Long? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== New revolver confirmed ==<br />
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The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming [http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-12-18-you-can-already-unlock-a-gun-in-red-dead-redemption-2-by-playing-gta-online back] --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::There's no page for the M1892.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Trailer 3 + fresh articles with images ==<br />
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<br />
This is the site with the images, a few of which have the Jorg-Kraggson rifle from the first game, the spencer carbine, some sort of repeater (probably the henry) and some sort of shotgun<br />
https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reportajes/avance-red-dead-redemption-2-ps4-xbox-one-exclusiva-198494<br />
this one aswell:<br />
http://www.jeuxactu.com/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-repousse-les-limites-de-l-open-world-113716.htm?utm_source=api&utm_medium=113716&utm_campaign=Twitter<br />
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here's the third trailer btw:<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaW0tYpxyp0<br />
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:I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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I have a repeater here.<br />
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[[File:RDR 2 First Look 36.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
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I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==New Gameplay video==<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE<br />
Those are some nicely detailed weapon animations.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 12:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I haven't watched the trailer yet (I'm knee-deep in ''[[Sicario]]'' right at the moment), but I will later and if there's anything worth capping, I'll do so unless someone else wants to go ahead and do so. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:34, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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There's a new sniper rifle.<br />
[[File:RDR2-Sniper-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
Rolling Block Carbine?<br />
[[File:Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine - .50-45]]<br />
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:46, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::It seems that the all guns will just return from the first game. It is worth noting that in this case it will be more correct than there. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Best gun detail of any Rockstar game yet? ==<br />
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You can see the detail right down to the file marks here: https://i.imgur.com/wLeXIwv.jpg [[User:brasco|brasco]]<br />
:From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -[[User:1morey]] September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)<br />
:::Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, some new weapons would be nice. I would like to see a couple different bolt actions instead of just the Krag.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Gameplay Trailer #2 ==<br />
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-tlY6ytk8<br />
Finally get to see some first person perspective gameplay.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 23:56, 1 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Is it a Browning or is it a Maxim? ==<br />
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The page states the Browning 1917 was replaced by the Maxim 1895 for the new game, however the models look almost identical unless I'm missing something?<br />
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RDR 1: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/73/RDR_Maxim_2.JPG/600px-RDR_Maxim_2.JPG<br />
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RDR 2: http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/58/RDRII_Browning.jpg<br />
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--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 14:19, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:This is Maxim. But the tripod is from Browning. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:10, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
::The RDR2 model has the distinctive spring box of the Maxim. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Borchardt C93 confirmed==<br />
[[File:Red Dead Redemption II-Borchardt C93.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]<br />
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== New weapon ==<br />
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One of the pre-order incentives includes a rifle dubbed ingame as the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle". (looks to be a small caliber muzzleloader): https://i.redd.it/m1thsegj01o11.jpg (Not the shotgun, but the other long gun on Arthur's back) - [[User:1morey]] October 3, 2018 3:48 PM (EST)<br />
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:Looks like some flavor of generic single shot .22 rifle that would've been more common than dirt in 1899 given everyone and their mother were making some subvariation of that basic idea. Given the name "Lancaster", I'll guess it's some ersatz version of Winchester and thus would be some variation of Winchester single shots you might be able to somewhat narrow down on. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 5 October, 2018 22:02 (EST)<br />
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== High Roller Double action revolver ==<br />
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[[File:Hiroller.jpg|thumb|none|500px||]]<br />
A PS4 exclusive what model is this supposed to be?--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 21:08, 5 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
:It looks like just an engraved version of the same Colt M1892 New Army & Navy Revolver. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 21:24, 5 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Rockstar Website weapons preview==<br />
https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/features/weaponry<br />
--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 11:31, 12 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons speculation==<br />
So it was announced there will be over 50 weapons in the game, which means there should be quite a large selection of new firearms to use. The interesting thing is that the available screenshots and video only show weapons that were already in the previous game. Other than the mention of the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle", Rockstar have given no indication of what the new firearms will be. There are quite a few possibilities. Winchester 1887, Burgess, & Spenser shotguns. For rifles, Winchester 1895, Savage 1899, Remington-Keene, Remington-Lee, Winchester-Hotchkiss, Mauser, Winchester 1890 and Colt Lightning. I'm not sure which pistols could be added, but the Colt Lightning, Remington 1875/1890, and Browning 1899 are possible choices. Maybe we could even see the 1895 Colt Machine gun? Of course a portion of the new weapons will be for melee, but I would think the majority will be firearms. Anyway, I hope at least some of what I listed appear in the game.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:53, 18 October 2018 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Red_Dead_Redemption_II&diff=1215172Talk:Red Dead Redemption II2018-09-23T00:33:03Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>How do you edit titles? I'm asking because seeing "Red Dead Redemption" written as "Red dead redemption" irritates the living hell out of my OCD. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:18, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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==Delete it and start again is the fastest way [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 20:21, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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Yeah sorry about that, took me about 15 minutes to figure it out but I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.<br />
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:Is there even a trailer available? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:53, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
::There's been a trailer up on Youtube for weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA6MrX81z4 --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
:::Yeah, a trailer dropped October 20. Blew up the internet. There weren't any super good shots of weapons, but here's what I saw:<br />
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* A man walking a horse with a deer on its back is holding some kind of carbine (like a full size Spencer or Springfield Trapdoor that was cut down or something).<br />
* A man leaning against a stagecoach looking at vultures pecking at a coyote corpse is holding what looks like a double-barreled shotgun.<br />
* A gunfighter is holding a Winchester rifle.<br />
* A shot of seven riders shows them with Colt SAAs, one with a Henry rifle, and one with a sawed-off shotgun.<br />
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- [[User:1morey]] December 12, 2016 9:09 PM (EST)<br />
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Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--[[User:Eighteen98|Eighteen98]] ([[User talk:Eighteen98|talk]]) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)<br />
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File:Red Dead Redemption 2A.jpg<br />
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==Spring 2018==<br />
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new [http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60210/Red-Dead-Redemption-2-Is-Now-Coming-Spring-2018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=newswire&utm_content=rdr2-05222017 images] including a good shot of some revolvers.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
[[File:RedDeadRedemption2Revolvers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Scholfields?]]<br />
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[[Smith & Wesson No. 3]]s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a ''proper'' page for this game, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
:My bad, S&W Model 3s ''are'' Schofields. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== New page ==<br />
Since we have some ''actual'' guns to identify now, I've recreated the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Trailer 2 ==<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63h3v9QV7w --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:21, 29 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Rifle ID ==<br />
Bill Williamson is holding a rifle in this cap, but it's hard to make out because of the lighting.<br />
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[[File:RDR2-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
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Carcano M91 Long? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== New revolver confirmed ==<br />
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The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming [http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-12-18-you-can-already-unlock-a-gun-in-red-dead-redemption-2-by-playing-gta-online back] --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::There's no page for the M1892.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Trailer 3 + fresh articles with images ==<br />
<br />
<br />
This is the site with the images, a few of which have the Jorg-Kraggson rifle from the first game, the spencer carbine, some sort of repeater (probably the henry) and some sort of shotgun<br />
https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reportajes/avance-red-dead-redemption-2-ps4-xbox-one-exclusiva-198494<br />
this one aswell:<br />
http://www.jeuxactu.com/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-repousse-les-limites-de-l-open-world-113716.htm?utm_source=api&utm_medium=113716&utm_campaign=Twitter<br />
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here's the third trailer btw:<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaW0tYpxyp0<br />
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:I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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I have a repeater here.<br />
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[[File:RDR 2 First Look 36.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
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I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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==New Gameplay video==<br />
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE<br />
Those are some nicely detailed weapon animations.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 12:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I haven't watched the trailer yet (I'm knee-deep in ''[[Sicario]]'' right at the moment), but I will later and if there's anything worth capping, I'll do so unless someone else wants to go ahead and do so. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:34, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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There's a new sniper rifle.<br />
[[File:RDR2-Sniper-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]<br />
Rolling Block Carbine?<br />
[[File:Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine - .50-45]]<br />
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:46, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::It seems that the all guns will just return from the first game. It is worth noting that in this case it will be more correct than there. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Best gun detail of any Rockstar game yet? ==<br />
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You can see the detail right down to the file marks here: https://i.imgur.com/wLeXIwv.jpg [[User:brasco|brasco]]<br />
:From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -[[User:1morey]] September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)<br />
:::Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, some new weapons would be nice. I would like to see a couple different bolt actions instead of just the Krag.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:6_Days&diff=1124451Talk:6 Days2017-08-28T00:05:46Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>==Terrorist Revolver==<br />
One of the terrorist's uses a revolver which, I am pretty sure, is a Smith & Wesson 686 but I couldn't see it clearly. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 17:17, 20 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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==Smith & Wesson .38==<br />
Metropolitan Police Constable Trevor Lock is seen with what is described as a 'Smith & Wesson .38' but the full weapon is never seen as, with in real life, it never leaves its' holster.<br />
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==Amazon Video ==<br />
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You can actually watch this on Amazon [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:44, 21 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== MP5SD ==<br />
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I don't think that's an MP5SD, rather I think it's some sort of barrel shroud or compensator on a regular MP5. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:17, 21 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Actually during the briefing Colonel Rose specifically mentions using "...silenced weapons" and when the envisioned run through happens you hear the cliched 'Hollywood' sound of suppressed weapons. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 08:22, 27 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== MP-5 Magazines ==<br />
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During the raid and the run throughs the SAS troopers are all using curved MP-5 mags. I thought those didn't come into use until later in the 1980s and they were still using the old straight mags at the time of Operation Nimrod. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 08:24, 27 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:The curved magazines were introduced in 1977. These mags are evident in photos of the rescue operation, although I do recall seeing a few straight mags in the mix.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:05, 27 August 2017 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Call_of_Duty:_WWII&diff=1112833Talk:Call of Duty: WWII2017-06-16T19:54:36Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>==Debut Trailer==<br />
Going to place the shots from the trailer here for now. There was a few more shown but I couldn't screencap them due to how fast they went by. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 13:53, 26 April 2017 (EDT)<br />
[[File:CoDWWII-Luger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown German Soldier with a Luger]]<br />
[[File:CoDWWII-Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American Trooper with a Flamethrower]]<br />
[[File:CoDWWII-M1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1911 in the shoulder holster]]<br />
[[File:CoDWWII-MG42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German solider firing an MG42]]<br />
[[File:CoDWWII-GreaseGun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American Soldier firing a Grease Gun]]<br />
[[File:CoDWWII-M1Garand.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Player Character with the M1 Garand]]<br />
[[File:CoDWWII-BrowningM1919.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldier firing a Browning M1919]]<br />
[[File:CoDWWII-GreaseGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldier with the Grease Gun]]<br />
[[File:CoD2017BARtrailer.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A top-view of a BAR lying on the ground, in the hands of the soldier trying to get up.]]<br />
[[File:CoD2017Gewehrish.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A German soldier dying while waving his semi-automatic rifle around.]]<br />
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:So it looks like Call of Duty 2: Big Red One is getting a remaster eh? Actually, this looks awesome. There's also the M1918A2 BAR and Gewehr 43.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 14:27, 26 April 2017 (EDT)<br />
::I don't recall seeing the BAR in the trailer, but I did see the Gewehr 43 (Just couldn't get a shot of it).--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:29, 26 April 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Actually, I watched the Wehrmacht soldier getting shot again at .25 speed and the rifle he's carrying actually has some non-G43 characteristics- namely, it has some sort of muzzle device (and gas tube) that looks similar to the SVT-40 muzzle brake or gas trap endcap on the G41(W), although it looks rather small to be the latter. I think it may actually be a SVT-40 too, as it doesn't look like it has the upward-facing charging handle of the G41/G43 as the German spins the rifle around as he drops it. The magazine also looks pretty long and curved, like the SVT's. Of course it's weird for an SVT to be seen on the Western front, but it may mean that there might just be a Russian campaign too (or at least Russian guns in the multiplayer, most likely).--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:17, 26 April 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::Just to note, I've updated the images above to high-res screencaps, and renamed most of them appropriately to match other CoD images (should be separated by hyphens and the like). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:40, 27 April 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiplayer Trailer ==<br />
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Well boys, its out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MURrgYG--L8<br />
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The guns I was able to Identify goes as follows: MG-42, M1 Garand, (With and without bayonet) Possible MG-34, M3 Grease Gun (with detachable OSS suppressor) M2 Flamethrower, STG 44, M1 Carbine, Lewis Gun (Possible) M1897 Trenchgun (Is chamberloaded with a dragon's breath round) MP40, Karabiner 98K, Springfield M1903A1 with a 7.8x Unerti scope, an Aircraft Lewis gun is seen in the hands of a British soldier in the tank sequence, (?!) The tank gunner mans a Browning M1919A4, and last, but not least, A U.S. soldier draws akimbo M1911A1s in the last shot of the trailer. --[[User:50AEDeagle|50AEDeagle]] ([[User talk:50AEDeagle|talk]]) 12:32, 13 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I'm glad to see gore will be a thing again, something lacking from Battlefield 1.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:48, 13 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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More gameplay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TG9UHHZT1k<br />
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That drum-fed Machinegun is confirmed as the MG15, a bipod can be used when a player is prone. (Possibly on a ledge too?) The Thompson M1928 is confirmed, (Also able to attach a suppressor) BAR is confirmed, Panzerschreck is confirmed, and everybody's favorite Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer is confirmed as a usable sidearm. --[[User:50AEDeagle|50AEDeagle]] ([[User talk:50AEDeagle|talk]])<br />
:For the record, were Dragon's Breath rounds even a thing in WW2? Also, it's called an M1928, but it seems to actually be an M1A1. Furthermore, for some reason, the (impossible) drum magazine holds only 45 rounds, instead of 50. There is also the ability to place mounted MG42s, which, for some reason, hold an infinite amount of rounds in the 50-round belt drum, and cause inconsistent levels of screen shake. Also, isn't the MG15 supposed to fire faster than that (and, for that matter, supposed to be a vehicle-only weapon, lacking even a stock)? The MG on the tank seems to be an M1919 with infinite ammo and an exceptionally slow fire rate. S-Mines are confirmed, referred to as "Bouncing Betties. Still, it is only an early alpha, so here's hoping that they fix some of these issues prior to the game's release. See ya, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:12, 13 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Pretty sure this 45-round capacity is due to the extended mag's arbitrary 50% increase from the base 30-round magazine. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:28, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I think that's a Nydar reflex sight mounted on the BAR. It'll be kinda dumb if they shoehorn rail attachments into everything.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])<br />
::I don't think adherence to historical reality is something that's an ironclad rule in the AAA videogame industry, otherwise they wouldn't have every other soldier be a female.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 20:47, 13 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Multiplayer gameplay shows that the Winchester 1897 trench gun is somehow able to hold 9+1 rounds. Also, equipping the Kar98k with the "extended mags" option gives it what appears to be a 20-round detachable trench mag, yet only increases the capacity to 7 rounds. --[[User:SpectralNova|SpectralNova]] ([[User talk:SpectralNova|talk]]) 08:34, 15 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== So what number is this? ==<br />
Is it the 578,978,671st or 578,978,672nd WWII FPS? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:It's the googolplexth one, mate. On a more serious note, there's a magazine-fed shotgun in the selection menu, referred "Toggle Action"; what weapon is it, exactly? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:06, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Where, pray tell, is this weapon list? I've found a few toggle-locked shotguns (one of which, designed by Walther, actually made it into production), but they're all tube-fed. I would like to get a look at this thing, whatever it is. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 12:17, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMaSaRbTLM Here] at 0:21. The magazine seems too small for shotgun shells, so I don't know what they slapped here, maybe a rifle erroneously assigned as a shotgun due to early testing or something? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:08, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::I just googled "toggle action shotgun" and [http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?262846-The-Walther-automatic-shotgun this] came up, I think it is the Walther design that Pyro mentioned, that actually dates back to the end of WWI. I assume the magazine is just something Sledgehammer shoved in there, the receiver design is identical.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:28, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::Having a look at the weapon design, the magazine seems to be lifted off of another obscure Walther design, the [https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ria-walther-a115-prototype-rifle/ A115]. Maybe they're just being dumb, or maybe they're trying to make some sort of secretive Zombies joke/reference. Who honestly knows. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:49, 14 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== MP44k ==<br />
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So in the trailer, many of us have noticed the shortened version of the MP44. This actually does exist in real life, but no one knows whether it was a rejected last ditch weapon, or a home made weapon. Forgotten Weapons has featured this, but with little information. <br />
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/guns-that-should-have-been/<br />
I remember reading on another forum how it's actually an MKB42h that has been shortened down. <br />
The truly ironic thing here is the vague resemblance to the MP5, since the MP5 and STG44 are related. The MP5 coming from the G3, which in turn came from the CETME rifle which was modified from the Mauser STG 45 last ditch assault rifle. <br />
If anyone has more information though, please share. That'd be lovely. [[User:Aimigen7|Aimigen7]] ([[User_talk:Aimigen7|talk]]) 16:30, 15 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:There was no shortened version of the MP44 actually made during the war as far as I know. The one you linked to above is a modern built custom gun, as stated in the description on the page. There are also some images of an MP44 with a full length barrel with an MP40 stock, however I believe these are photoshops. On obvious reason that these didn't exist is that the MP44 has a long recoil spring that goes all the way into the stock. The custom gun you linked to gets around this by having a new spring inside the gas piston tube above the barrel. The reason that the German's went with the long spring was that they couldn;t make a short spring work due to poor quality steel, and this only got worse towards the end of the war so can't imagine any last ditch weapons would be able to be built like this. The last ditch equivalent to the MP44 was sort of the Gustloff VG1-5. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:23, 15 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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Ah, so I'm guessing Sledgehammer saw the page and was like "Maybe we could include this in the game." Even though they also claim historical accuracy. But we all know when it comes to WW2 games, Historical Accuracy is just a marketing word. [[User:Aimigen7|Aimigen7]] ([[User_talk:Aimigen7|talk]]) 18:35, 15 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Sledgehammer's logic: It looks like something from WWII, so it probably is. Let's put it in the game--But only if it looks cool. And it also has to make cool "bang bang" noises when you pull the trigger. It's even better if it has a name that sounds old. --[[User:SpectralNova|SpectralNova]] ([[User talk:SpectralNova|talk]]) 19:04, 15 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== IGN weapons walkthrough ==<br />
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFLSECMf8pk<br />
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For MP Allied & German sides. Doesn't show Russian or mounted.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])<br />
:A couple of things to note here: the Winchester's extended magazine raises the capacity to 10 rounds (not 9+1 as previously stated, because even though the future is now, you still load all of the shells, then work the action on an empty reload), the Walther shotgun's magazine is actually a drum, and the reload animation has the player character lock back the bolt, replace the drum, then press on the back of the drum as if it were a bolt release to drop it, the M1911's extended magazine is hilariously long, I'm not sure if M712 mags drop free, the BAR is treated as closed-bolt (is anybody really surprised), the Thompson is never cocked, but Thompsons don't lock open on drums (and that's ignoring how drums don't even go in M1A1s), and that's pretty much the long and short of it. Did anybody notice anything else that they'd like to mention here? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 12:38, 16 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:The magical Springfield M1903 that have scopes and allow feeding with stripper clips. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:55, 16 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::The K 98K uses detachable magazines instead of stripper clips.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:54, 16 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Snakes have started manifesting in my house after watching that video, oh my god. We have iron sights being sacrificed to the great god Nydar, drum mags that barely extend the magazine, soldiers that can somehow control stockless machine guns firing at 1000 RPM, the mystery Walther shotgun and more. I am really expecting this game to bomb now, because this is a new level of bad. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 13:24, 16 June 2017 (EST)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Siege_of_Jadotville&diff=1061536Talk:The Siege of Jadotville2016-11-05T19:58:33Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>== Walther MPL ==<br />
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There appears to be a Walther MPL or similar SMG used by one of the rebels attacking the company. I will upload a screenshot when possible, but the time stamp is at 1:26:59-ish. This would be anachronistic as the MPL was not produced until 1963, while the events in this film took place in 1961. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 23:24, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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It's a Franchi LF-57 which actually was used by Congo/Katanga --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 04:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::AdAstra is correct, it's a LF-57. There were also a couple of Vigneron SMGs in this movie.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 07:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== "A Bren should do it"? ==<br />
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Anyone else find it odd the sniper chooses to use an open sight, open bolt Bren instead of his No4 Mk1(T)? --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 09:06, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I was thinking the same thing. The two guns are in the same caliber (.303 British), and, if anything, the sights on the Bren are considerably worse than the high-range scope on the Enfield. Does anyone know why this would be done? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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If anything, they should actually have started using the MAG 57s. Perhaps the Bren is a heavy gun and is more accurate than the Enfield, even a scoped Enfield isn't that accurate compared to other bolt action rifles of the era. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:43, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Use of older rifles==<br />
Also, I am kinda surprised at the surplus of older rifles being used by the Irish despite this being 1961. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:45, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:Sgt. Prendergast shared your same opinion in the film. Is this company's being issued obsolete firearms historically accurate? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 21:20, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::It's accurate. There are photos on the internet of the Irish forces in the Congo, and the soldiers are indeed using Lee-Enfields, Brens, and Vickers. The Irish did have FN FALs, but only a few had been issued by the time the battle portrayed in the movie occurred.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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oh yes it is accurate the defense forces still had the bren mark 4 used by the reserve defense forces up until 2008 the fn fal was never abandoned it just got recycled as a designated marksman rifle<br />
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 13:57, 18 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the only thing about the FALs that bothered me was in several instances, they racked the charging handles to chamber rounds during moments when there should already have been a round chambered, like when Quinlan gave his rifle to Prendergast during a white flag meet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:16, 19 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::One could argue they were checking their brass to make sure the guns were chambered, but it was likely done for dramatic effect. Everybody loves that "Cha-CHK!" --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 15:22, 19 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::It wasn't for brass checking because no one was looking to see brass. It was for dramatic effect. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:43, 19 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
they included this as it sounded and looked "cool" --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:32, 19 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== Quinlan's Sidearm. ==<br />
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I believe Quinlan carries a Hi Power as his sidearm. It is seen unholstered a couple times. --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] ([[User talk:Westernman1987|talk]]) 12:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I can confirm this, don't have screenshots yet but I did see Quinlan carrying a Hi Power.--[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I think one of the mercs used a Hi-Power as well.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 21:18, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==FALs==<br />
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I am not entirely versed in the history of the FAL in the UK. I know the British uses the semi-auto only L1A1 SLR, but what about the Irish who are literally next door? Did they adopt the full auto FAL or because they are so close to England, adopt the L1A1 as well? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:36, 18 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:As far as I know, Irish Defence Forces adopted Belgian FN FAL 50.00 version in 1961. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:51, 18 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:Not sure how true this is, but had an Irish fellow tell me they tried to limit what they got from the British for the old grudge reason. I honestly wouldn't be suprised if they bypassed the L1A1 and went with the Belgian FALs. Again, pure speculation from one old Irish guy who was not a fan of the English.[[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 12:51, 18 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
this is true the irish fn was capable of full auto had an ENERGA anti-tank rifle grenade sight attached to the gas plug which can be seen in some of the film stills--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 19:28, 19 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::My guess is that these rifles are probably actually [https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4a/b3/66/4ab366327dd3839c5488ac609cf93afc.jpg South African R1s]. These rifles have the plastic handguard and wood type C stock which is typical of the R1s, and the R1s were also fitted with the grenade sight gas plug (not the earliest ones though, these ended up being reissued to police). I don't think South Africa used the ENERGA though, they had their own grenade but the sight is the same. This is filmed in South Africa after all, so that is also what would be most available. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:59, 20 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Missing Weapons==<br />
A Franchi LF-57, Sten Gun, a couple of Vigneron SMGs, and Mauser rifles are also seen in this movie. Will they be added to the page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:58, 5 November 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Siege_of_Jadotville&diff=1056744Talk:The Siege of Jadotville2016-10-18T02:05:05Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>== Walther MPL ==<br />
<br />
There appears to be a Walther MPL or similar SMG used by one of the rebels attacking the company. I will upload a screenshot when possible, but the time stamp is at 1:26:59-ish. This would be anachronistic as the MPL was not produced until 1963, while the events in this film took place in 1961. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 23:24, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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It's a Franchi LF-57 which actually was used by Congo/Katanga --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 04:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::AdAstra is correct, it's a LF-57. There were also a couple of Vigneron SMGs in this movie.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 07:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== "A Bren should do it"? ==<br />
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Anyone else find it odd the sniper chooses to use an open sight, open bolt Bren instead of his No4 Mk1(T)? --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 09:06, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I was thinking the same thing. The two guns are in the same caliber (.303 British), and, if anything, the sights on the Bren are considerably worse than the high-range scope on the Enfield. Does anyone know why this would be done? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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If anything, they should actually have started using the MAG 57s. Perhaps the Bren is a heavy gun and is more accurate than the Enfield, even a scoped Enfield isn't that accurate compared to other bolt action rifles of the era. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:43, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also, I am kinda surprised at the surplus of older rifles being used by the Irish despite this being 1961. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:45, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:Sgt. Prendergast shared your same opinion in the film. Is this company's being issued obsolete firearms historically accurate? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 21:20, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::It's accurate. There are photos on the internet of the Irish forces in the Congo, and the soldiers are indeed using Lee-Enfields, Brens, and Vickers. The Irish did have FN FALs, but only a few had been issued by the time the battle portrayed in the movie occurred.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
== Quinlan's Sidearm. ==<br />
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I believe Quinlan carries a Hi Power as his sidearm. It is seen unholstered a couple times. --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] ([[User talk:Westernman1987|talk]]) 12:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I can confirm this, don't have screenshots yet but I did see Quinlan carrying a Hi Power.--[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I think one of the mercs used a Hi-Power as well.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 21:18, 17 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Siege_of_Jadotville&diff=1056731Talk:The Siege of Jadotville2016-10-18T01:18:48Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>== Walther MPL ==<br />
<br />
There appears to be a Walther MPL or similar SMG used by one of the rebels attacking the company. I will upload a screenshot when possible, but the time stamp is at 1:26:59-ish. This would be anachronistic as the MPL was not produced until 1963, while the events in this film took place in 1961. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 23:24, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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It's a Franchi LF-57 which actually was used by Congo/Katanga --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 04:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::AdAstra is correct, it's a LF-57. There were also a couple of Vigneron SMGs in this movie.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 07:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== "A Bren should do it"? ==<br />
<br />
Anyone else find it odd the sniper chooses to use an open sight, open bolt Bren instead of his No4 Mk1(T)? --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 09:06, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I was thinking the same thing. The two guns are in the same caliber (.303 British), and, if anything, the sights on the Bren are considerably worse than the high-range scope on the Enfield. Does anyone know why this would be done? --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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If anything, they should actually have started using the MAG 57s. Perhaps the Bren is a heavy gun and is more accurate than the Enfield, even a scoped Enfield isn't that accurate compared to other bolt action rifles of the era. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:43, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also, I am kinda surprised at the surplus of older rifles being used by the Irish despite this being 1961. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:45, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== Quinlan's Sidearm. ==<br />
<br />
I believe Quinlan carries a Hi Power as his sidearm. It is seen unholstered a couple times. --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] ([[User talk:Westernman1987|talk]]) 12:05, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I can confirm this, don't have screenshots yet but I did see Quinlan carrying a Hi Power.--[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 14:37, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I think one of the mercs used a Hi-Power as well.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 21:18, 17 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1056589Talk:Mafia III2016-10-17T05:53:13Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::They've also seem to have mixed up the icons for the Hipower and the 1911. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The icons are correct, check out the triggers for each one. Some of the other icons are screwed up, though.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm definitely going to rock the Automag. Bit anachronistic, though. Also, I've been wondering, would it be anachronistic to have black, plastic "tactical" furniture on a shotgun in 1968? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::I can't find any evidence that this type of furniture existed as a factory option at the time. You could make an argument that it's a custom modification, though. I don't like some of the choices they made for the shotguns. It's almost like the shotgun configurations were chosen just so each one could have a unique icon that stands out. I really hate the modeling of the Remington 1100, forearm is wrong, and wrong magazine size for the amount of ammo the in-game gun holds. It would have been great if the devs decided to use the Remington 7180 instead.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:00, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
With all the attention to detail game devs spend on things in game, it's sad that firearms always seem to be the last thing they think about getting right.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:55, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapon Identification==<br />
The pistol identified as a Browning in the screenshots is actually a S&W Model 39. The in-game name, Alfredsson M419, can be seen in one of the screen grabs. In the Mafia series, Alfredsson=S&W products. The Browning is called "Elling 9mm" in this game. The unknown pistol is an MAB PA-15 F1.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 06:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The unknown revolver is probably supposed to be a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_15 S&W Model 15], and the unknown sniper rifle a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M1903 M1903.]- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 10:29, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:: The revolver's actually a Model 19, note the shrouded ejector rod lug and bull barrel. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::Good catch. I never got a good look at the revolver in the gameplay videos, and kind of assumed that it was supposed to be a .38 since there is another .357 in the game. Now that I took a closer look at the the screenshots, I see that it's a Model 19.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:19, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
The "unknown shotgun" is most likely a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Mossberg_500#Mossberg_500 Mossberg 500], going by the barrel lug and magazine tube cap. It also appears to have the safety on top of the receiver, as would be found on a Mossberg.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 10:43, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
: FYI, you don't need to use full urls for pages here, you can just use the standard internal wiki links, like so - <nowiki>[[Weapon Name]]</nowiki>. EX: [[Mossberg 500]], [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]], [[M1903 Springfield]]. Even on variants or close name matches, the vast majority of the time they'll redirect to the proper page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:31, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:: Anyway, I can't really tell any switch safety on the receiver, but I do agree the reciever and pump grip shape and style match a Mossberg. That said, the tube end cap actually more closely matches that of an (anachronistic) [[Mossberg 590|590]], rather than a 500. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:48, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, if you look at the top of the receiver, there is something that, at least to me, looks as though it's supposed to represent the safety. It's just poorly rendered. The safety switch is actually much more apparent on the weapon icon. As for the magazine tube cap, it's actually not detailed enough on the in-game gun to determine if it was based on the 590. Even if it's based on the 500, it's still anachronistic as the extended tube magazine version wasn't available until the 1970's. The only explanation for it's appearance in the game would be that it's a custom modification. <br />
:::The "unknown semiauto shotgun" is probably based on the Remington 1100, since it's named "Barker", and in Mafia 3, "Barker"="Remington". It looks horrible, though. Besides the pistol grip stock, which didn't exist at the time, it has a forearm that looks like the pump from an 870. Almost as if the devs took the existing 870 model as a base to create the in-game 1100. The devs dropped the ball with some of the shotgun designs for this game, which is a shame since they did a good job with the rest of the weapons. IMO, they should have used a Mossberg 500 with standard magazine and pistol grip, given the Ithaca an extended tube magazine, and included a Remington 1100 that actually looks like an 1100 from 1968. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:53, 17 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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For a minor nitpick, it is ok to believe somehow they managed to get AKs. One could say guys smuggled them from 'Nam during this time period, but the HK54 was way out of left field, but sure, I'll roll with it. It existed in the time period, sure. But what actually bothered me is how Lincoln reloads some of the guns that have the charging handles on the right side like the M14, AK and even the Garand. He's using a more modern technique where you go under the gun with your left hand and reach with your index finger and work the charging handle. Especially for the Garand, that's a technique that should not exist at this time period, especially for a Garand which no one ever does. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:28, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::My guess is the devs went to a firing range to see the real weapons in action, and whoever did the demonstration used this technique. Some dev thinks it looks cool and decides to use it for the reloading animations, not realizing it's wrong for the time period. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 18:30, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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:He also uses an M9 bayonet as a combat knife... which didn't exist until the 80s. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 10:36, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The M16 is a weapon unlock you get when you give a certain amount of territory to Burke, but I think for an Irish guy with close ties to the IRA, the more appropriate weapon as a gift would have been an AR-18 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:01, 14 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Siege_of_Jadotville&diff=1056218Talk:The Siege of Jadotville2016-10-16T11:34:09Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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There appears to be a Walther MPL or similar SMG used by one of the rebels attacking the company. I will upload a screenshot when possible, but the time stamp is at 1:26:59-ish. This would be anachronistic as the MPL was not produced until 1963, while the events in this film took place in 1961. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 23:24, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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It's a Franchi LF-57 which actually was used by Congo/Katanga --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 04:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::AdAstra is correct, it's a LF-57. There were also a couple of Vigneron SMGs in this movie.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 07:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1056041Talk:Mafia III2016-10-15T22:30:04Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::They've also seem to have mixed up the icons for the Hipower and the 1911. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The icons are correct, check out the triggers for each one. Some of the other icons are screwed up, though.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm definitely going to rock the Automag. Bit anachronistic, though. Also, I've been wondering, would it be anachronistic to have black, plastic "tactical" furniture on a shotgun in 1968? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::I can't find any evidence that this type of furniture existed as a factory option at the time. You could make an argument that it's a custom modification, though. I don't like some of the choices they made for the shotguns. It's almost like the shotgun configurations were chosen just so each one could have a unique icon that stands out. I really hate the modeling of the Remington 1100, forearm is wrong, and wrong magazine size for the amount of ammo the in-game gun holds. It would have been great if the devs decided to use the Remington 7180 instead.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:00, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
==Weapon Identification==<br />
The pistol identified as a Browning in the screenshots is actually a S&W Model 39. The in-game name, Alfredsson M419, can be seen in one of the screen grabs. In the Mafia series, Alfredsson=S&W products. The Browning is called "Elling 9mm" in this game. The unknown pistol is an MAB PA-15 F1.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 06:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The unknown revolver is probably supposed to be a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_15 S&W Model 15], and the unknown sniper rifle a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M1903 M1903.]- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 10:29, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:: The revolver's actually a Model 19, note the shrouded ejector rod lug and bull barrel. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::Good catch. I never got a good look at the revolver in the gameplay videos, and kind of assumed that it was supposed to be a .38 since there is another .357 in the game. Now that I took a closer look at the the screenshots, I see that it's a Model 19.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:19, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
The "unknown shotgun" is most likely a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Mossberg_500#Mossberg_500 Mossberg 500], going by the barrel lug and magazine tube cap. It also appears to have the safety on top of the receiver, as would be found on a Mossberg.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 10:43, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
: FYI, you don't need to use full urls for pages here, you can just use the standard internal wiki links, like so - <nowiki>[[Weapon Name]]</nowiki>. EX: [[Mossberg 500]], [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]], [[M1903 Springfield]]. Even on variants or close name matches, the vast majority of the time they'll redirect to the proper page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:31, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:: Anyway, I can't really tell any switch safety on the receiver, but I do agree the reciever and pump grip shape and style match a Mossberg. That said, the tube end cap actually more closely matches that of an (anachronistic) [[Mossberg 590|590]], rather than a 500. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:48, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Anachronisms ==<br />
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For a minor nitpick, it is ok to believe somehow they managed to get AKs. One could say guys smuggled them from 'Nam during this time period, but the HK54 was way out of left field, but sure, I'll roll with it. It existed in the time period, sure. But what actually bothered me is how Lincoln reloads some of the guns that have the charging handles on the right side like the M14, AK and even the Garand. He's using a more modern technique where you go under the gun with your left hand and reach with your index finger and work the charging handle. Especially for the Garand, that's a technique that should not exist at this time period, especially for a Garand which no one ever does. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:28, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::My guess is the devs went to a firing range to see the real weapons in action, and whoever did the demonstration used this technique. Some dev thinks it looks cool and decides to use it for the reloading animations, not realizing it's wrong for the time period. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 18:30, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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:He also uses an M9 bayonet as a combat knife... which didn't exist until the 80s. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 10:36, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The M16 is a weapon unlock you get when you give a certain amount of territory to Burke, but I think for an Irish guy with close ties to the IRA, the more appropriate weapon as a gift would have been an AR-18 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:01, 14 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1055872Talk:Mafia III2016-10-15T14:43:15Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::They've also seem to have mixed up the icons for the Hipower and the 1911. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The icons are correct, check out the triggers for each one. Some of the other icons are screwed up, though.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm definitely going to rock the Automag. Bit anachronistic, though. Also, I've been wondering, would it be anachronistic to have black, plastic "tactical" furniture on a shotgun in 1968? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::I can't find any evidence that this type of furniture existed as a factory option at the time. You could make an argument that it's a custom modification, though. I don't like some of the choices they made for the shotguns. It's almost like the shotgun configurations were chosen just so each one could have a unique icon that stands out. I really hate the modeling of the Remington 1100, forearm is wrong, and wrong magazine size for the amount of ammo the in-game gun holds. It would have been great if the devs decided to use the Remington 7180 instead.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:00, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
==Weapon Identification==<br />
The pistol identified as a Browning in the screenshots is actually a S&W Model 39. The in-game name, Alfredsson M419, can be seen in one of the screen grabs. In the Mafia series, Alfredsson=S&W products. The Browning is called "Elling 9mm" in this game. The unknown pistol is an MAB PA-15 F1.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 06:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The unknown revolver is probably supposed to be a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_15 S&W Model 15], and the unknown sniper rifle a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M1903 M1903.]- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 10:29, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:: The revolver's actually a Model 19, note the shrouded ejector rod lug and bull barrel. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::Good catch. I never got a good look at the revolver in the gameplay videos, and kind of assumed that it was supposed to be a .38 since there is another .357 in the game. Now that I took a closer look at the the screenshots, I see that it's a Model 19.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:19, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
The "unknown shotgun" is most likely a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Mossberg_500#Mossberg_500 Mossberg 500], going by the barrel lug and magazine tube cap. It also appears to have the safety on top of the receiver, as would be found on a Mossberg.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 10:43, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Anachronisms ==<br />
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For a minor nitpick, it is ok to believe somehow they managed to get AKs. One could say guys smuggled them from 'Nam during this time period, but the HK54 was way out of left field, but sure, I'll roll with it. It existed in the time period, sure. But what actually bothered me is how Lincoln reloads some of the guns that have the charging handles on the right side like the M14, AK and even the Garand. He's using a more modern technique where you go under the gun with your left hand and reach with your index finger and work the charging handle. Especially for the Garand, that's a technique that should not exist at this time period, especially for a Garand which no one ever does. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:28, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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:He also uses an M9 bayonet as a combat knife... which didn't exist until the 80s. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 10:36, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The M16 is a weapon unlock you get when you give a certain amount of territory to Burke, but I think for an Irish guy with close ties to the IRA, the more appropriate weapon as a gift would have been an AR-18 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:01, 14 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1055729Talk:Mafia III2016-10-15T06:19:54Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::They've also seem to have mixed up the icons for the Hipower and the 1911. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The icons are correct, check out the triggers for each one. Some of the other icons are screwed up, though.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm definitely going to rock the Automag. Bit anachronistic, though. Also, I've been wondering, would it be anachronistic to have black, plastic "tactical" furniture on a shotgun in 1968? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::I can't find any evidence that this type of furniture existed as a factory option at the time. You could make an argument that it's a custom modification, though. I don't like some of the choices they made for the shotguns. It's almost like the shotgun configurations were chosen just so each one could have a unique icon that stands out. I really hate the modeling of the Remington 1100, forearm is wrong, and wrong magazine size for the amount of ammo the in-game gun holds. It would have been great if the devs decided to use the Remington 7180 instead.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:00, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
==Weapon Identification==<br />
The pistol identified as a Browning in the screenshots is actually a S&W Model 39. The in-game name, Alfredsson M419, can be seen in one of the screen grabs. In the Mafia series, Alfredsson=S&W products. The Browning is called "Elling 9mm" in this game. The unknown pistol is an MAB PA-15 F1.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 06:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The unknown revolver is probably supposed to be a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_15 S&W Model 15], and the unknown sniper rifle a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M1903 M1903.]- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 10:29, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:: The revolver's actually a Model 19, note the shrouded ejector rod lug and bull barrel. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::Good catch. I never got a good look at the revolver in the gameplay videos, and kind of assumed that it was supposed to be a .38 since there is another .357 in the game. Now that I took a closer look at the the screenshots, I see that it's a Model 19.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:19, 15 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
==Anachronisms ==<br />
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For a minor nitpick, it is ok to believe somehow they managed to get AKs. One could say guys smuggled them from 'Nam during this time period, but the HK54 was way out of left field, but sure, I'll roll with it. It existed in the time period, sure. But what actually bothered me is how Lincoln reloads some of the guns that have the charging handles on the right side like the M14, AK and even the Garand. He's using a more modern technique where you go under the gun with your left hand and reach with your index finger and work the charging handle. Especially for the Garand, that's a technique that should not exist at this time period, especially for a Garand which no one ever does. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:28, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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:He also uses an M9 bayonet as a combat knife... which didn't exist until the 80s. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 10:36, 14 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The M16 is a weapon unlock you get when you give a certain amount of territory to Burke, but I think for an Irish guy with close ties to the IRA, the more appropriate weapon as a gift would have been an AR-18 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:01, 14 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1054488Talk:Mafia III2016-10-09T14:29:32Z<p>Phillb36: Weapon Identification</p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::They've also seem to have mixed up the icons for the Hipower and the 1911. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The icons are correct, check out the triggers for each one. Some of the other icons are screwed up, though.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm definitely going to rock the Automag. Bit anachronistic, though. Also, I've been wondering, would it be anachronistic to have black, plastic "tactical" furniture on a shotgun in 1968? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::I can't find any evidence that this type of furniture existed as a factory option at the time. You could make an argument that it's a custom modification, though. I don't like some of the choices they made for the shotguns. It's almost like the shotgun configurations were chosen just so each one could have a unique icon that stands out. I really hate the modeling of the Remington 1100, forearm is wrong, and wrong magazine size for the amount of ammo the in-game gun holds. It would have been great if the devs decided to use the Remington 7180 instead.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:00, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
==Weapon Identification==<br />
The pistol identified as a Browning in the screenshots is actually a S&W Model 39. The in-game name, Alfredsson M419, can be seen in one of the screen grabs. In the Mafia series, Alfredsson=S&W products. The Browning is called "Elling 9mm" in this game. The unknown pistol is an MAB PA-15 F1.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 06:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The unknown revolver is probably supossed to be a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_15 S&W Model 15], and the unknown sniper rifle a [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M1903 M1903.]- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 10:29, 9 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Mafia_III&diff=1054247Mafia III2016-10-09T10:52:07Z<p>Phillb36: MAB PAP F1</p>
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{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}<br />
|name = Mafia III<br />
|picture = Mafia III logo temp.jpg<br />
|caption = Mafia III<br />
|series= [[Mafia (disambiguation)|Mafia]]<br />
|date= October 7th 2016<br />
|developer=Hangar 13<br />
|platforms=PlayStation 4<br>Xbox One<br>PC<br />
|publisher=2K Games<br />
|genre=Action-adventure}}<br />
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'''''Mafia III''''' is an upcoming open-world action-adventure video game, and a sequel to ''[[Mafia II]]''. It is developed by Hangar 13 and published by 2K Games, and is set to release in October 2016 for the PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4.<br />
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'''The following firearms make an appearance in the video game ''Mafia III'':'''<br />
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=Handguns=<br />
==Colt M1911A1==<br />
The [[Colt M1911A1]] is one of many available handguns in Mafia 3.<br />
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[[File:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|World War II Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1911 Clay 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NPC passes a M1911A1 to Clay.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 Clay m1911 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Clay reaching for the M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 m1911 loading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clay puts a new magazine in the m1911A1.]]<br />
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==Browning Hi-Power==<br />
The [[Browning Hi-Power]] is available for use in the game. It can also bee seen among other weapons in a stash from one of the promotional videos.<br />
[[File:Browning-HP-P35.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power .9x19mm]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Browning Hi-Power" on the ground.]]<br />
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==High Standard HDM==<br />
The [[High Standard HDM]] is usable throughout the game. It has an integral suppressor, allowing for more stealthy gunplay.<br />
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[[File:Hi-Standard-HD-Silenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard HDM with integrated silencer - .22 LR]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay HDM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding a High Standard HDM. Note the icon on the lower left corner showing an [[M1911A1]] with a suppressor.]] <br />
[[File:Mafia 3 hdm aiming.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims the HDM at some enemies]]<br />
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==Colt Python==<br />
Lincoln Clay and other characters make use of the [[Colt Python]] throughout the game.<br />
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[[File:Colt Python 8 Inch Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel Colt Python with 8" barrel - .357 Magnum]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 loading python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln loads a Colt Python that seems to have a rather long barrel.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he speeds down the street in a muscle car, the Python can be seen in Lincoln's right hand.]]<br />
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==MAB PAP F1==<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims the MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads the MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads the MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads the MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol world.jpg|thumb|none|600px| MAB PAP F1 on the ground.]]<br />
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=Shotguns=<br />
==Remington 870==<br />
A pump action shotgun resembling the [[Remington 870]] can be used by the player and by NPC's. It can be identified as a Remington 870, and not the Mossberg 500AT some have claimed it to be, by the rounded trigger guard and the shorter magazine tube cap.<br />
[[File:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]] <br />
[[file:Mafia3 Remington 870 world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Remington 870" on the ground.]]<br />
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==Ithaca 37==<br />
Lincoln can shoots his enemies with an [[Ithaca 37]], which appears in-game with a pistol grip, both with and without a stock. <br />
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[[File:Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca Model 37 riot with pistol grip - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln uses one hand to hold an enemy and the other to shoot him.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 ithica.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires at en enemy.]]<br />
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==Winchester Model 1887==<br />
A [[Winchester Model 1887]] resembling the configuration from [[Terminator 2]] is available for use in Mafia 3. Lincoln can flip-cock the gun in a manner similar to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Interestingly, the gun does not have a wide lever loop, making the flip-cock almost impossible without breaking one's hand. Because of this, Lincoln appears to use only his thumb inside the loop to work the action.<br />
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[[Image:Norinco Winchester 1887.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sawed off Winchester Model 1887 (Norinco Replica) - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:MafiaIII1887.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Winchester Model 1887 on the ground, with an icon hovering over it.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 pre-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln prepares to cycle the 1887.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 mid-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln midway through cocking the 1887 Notice how only Lincoln's thumb appears to be inside the loop as it rotates.]]<br />
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==Sawed off double barrel shotgun==<br />
Lincoln can make use of the classic gangster weapon, the [[Sawed-off Double Barrel Shotgun]].<br />
[[File:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A shotgun similar to the model used in-game. Note the lack of external hammers and the double triggers.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 sawed off.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln about to slam the gun's barrels shut]]<br />
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=Submachine Guns=<br />
==Beretta M12==<br />
Characters can be seen using a [[Beretta M12]]. It appears in the game as "Carter M33-A"<br />
[[File:Beretta M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 - 9x19mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay M12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy wielding an M12 searches for Lincoln.]]<br />
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==Smith & Wesson 76==<br />
Lincoln can use [[Smith & Wesson 76]] SMG in the game. It appears in the game as the "Alfredsson M833" <br />
[[Image:S&W_M76.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 SW 76.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lincoln firing the Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
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==Heckler & Koch MP54==<br />
The [[MP5]] can be used by both Lincoln and many NPC's. The in-game model appears to be modeled after the Heckler and Koch MP54, complete with a straight magazine. It appears in the game as "Deutsche M11B"<br />
[[Image:H&K MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP54 Earliest prototype of the H&K MP5 - 9x19mm]]<br />
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==Uzi==<br />
The [[Uzi]] appears in the game as the "Binya".<br />
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Uzi 9mm]]<br />
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==M1A1 Thompson==<br />
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is another useable SMG. With the "Family Kick-back" pre-order pack, a special version of the M1A1 was included, having a vertical grip much like the earlier M1921 Thompsons, but still built into the M1A1-style forestock.<br />
[[File:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
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==M3A1 Grease gun==<br />
In the game Lincoln and the gangsters use an [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]]. It appears in game as "M1N8", and is available in a suppressed variation. <br />
[[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Grease silenced .jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 with a suppressor attached]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 suppressed grease gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln threatens an enemy with the suppressed variation of the M3A1]]<br />
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==VZ.61 Skorpion==<br />
The [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]] is anpther machine pistol available in Mafia 3. It appears in the game as "Czech Ver B-65" <br />
[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa. Vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]<br />
[[File:Mafia3VZ61.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy drops his Skorpion as Lincoln blasts him with his Thompson.]]<br />
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=Rifles=<br />
==AK-47==<br />
An [[AK-47]] or its variant is seen in E3 gameplay. It appears as "Pasadena AR30".<br />
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[[File:AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]<br />
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==Colt M16A1==<br />
[[M16A1]] is briefly seen in the reveal trailer. It is also seen in E3 gameplay with a 30-round magazine, and appears as "Stromer .223".<br />
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[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M16A1 with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16 variant seen in the foreground.]]<br />
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==M1 Carbine==<br />
What looks like an [[M1 Carbine]] is briefly seen in the hands of a bad guy in One Way Road story trailer. It appears without the bayonet lug. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thompson Arms) - .30 Carbine]] <br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"M1 Carbine" on the ground.]]<br />
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==Tokarev SVT-40==<br />
In One Way Road story trailer, Burke is seen firing an [[SVT-40]] with a scope. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:SVT-40 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev SVT-40 with PU sniper scope - 7.62x54mmR]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer SVT40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Burke takes aim with the SVT-40.]]<br />
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==Winchester model 70==<br />
Lincoln can be seen in the game using this scoped bolt action rifle.<br />
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]<br />
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==M14==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. It appears in the game as the "Automat SG"<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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=Machine Guns=<br />
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==M60==<br />
In the game trailer Lincoln is seen firing this weapon at some mobsters in cars. Lincoln can be seen using this weapon in the game and it appears as "Hartmann 7.62MM"<br />
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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==M60D==<br />
In the reveal trailer, Lincoln is seen in a helicopter manning an [[M60D]] machine gun.<br />
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[[File:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincold holding the M60D by the spade grips.]]<br />
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=Launchers=<br />
==M72A1 LAW==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann AT-40" <br />
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]<br />
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==M79 grenade launcher==<br />
Lincoln is seen firing an [[M79 grenade launcher]] in a video. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann HLP"<br />
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[[File:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40x46mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing an M79 at a car.]]<br />
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=Miscellaneous=<br />
==Gun Stashes==<br />
In one of the promotional trailers for the game, several stashes of guns were seen.<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 stash 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]], an [[Uzi]], a [[Ithaca 37]] with a pistol grip, an [[M1911A1]], a [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], a [[Remington 870]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a [[M79 Grenade Launcher]], a [[M16 Rifle]], a [[M72 LAW]], and a [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 guns stash 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[m1911A1]], an [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], more than one [[Remington 870]], a [[Winchester Model 1887]], two [[Heckler & Koch MP5]]'s, an [[M60]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a pair of [[M79 Grenade Launcher]]'s, an [[AK-47]], a [[M72 LAW]], two [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]]'s, as well as both a silenced and standard version of the [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}<br />
|name = Mafia III<br />
|picture = Mafia III logo temp.jpg<br />
|caption = Mafia III<br />
|series= [[Mafia (disambiguation)|Mafia]]<br />
|date= October 7th 2016<br />
|developer=Hangar 13<br />
|platforms=PlayStation 4<br>Xbox One<br>PC<br />
|publisher=2K Games<br />
|genre=Action-adventure}}<br />
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'''''Mafia III''''' is an upcoming open-world action-adventure video game, and a sequel to ''[[Mafia II]]''. It is developed by Hangar 13 and published by 2K Games, and is set to release in October 2016 for the PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4.<br />
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'''The following firearms make an appearance in the video game ''Mafia III'':'''<br />
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=Handguns=<br />
==Colt M1911A1==<br />
The [[Colt M1911A1]] is one of many available handguns in Mafia 3.<br />
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[[File:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|World War II Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1911 Clay 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NPC passes a M1911A1 to Clay.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 Clay m1911 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Clay reaching for the M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 m1911 loading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clay puts a new magazine in the m1911A1.]]<br />
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==Browning Hi-Power==<br />
The [[Browning Hi-Power]] is available for use in the game. It can also bee seen among other weapons in a stash from one of the promotional videos.<br />
[[File:Browning-HP-P35.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power .9x19mm]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Browning Hi-Power" on the ground.]]<br />
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==High Standard HDM==<br />
The [[High Standard HDM]] is usable throughout the game. It has an integral suppressor, allowing for more stealthy gunplay.<br />
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[[File:Hi-Standard-HD-Silenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard HDM with integrated silencer - .22 LR]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay HDM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding a High Standard HDM. Note the icon on the lower left corner showing an [[M1911A1]] with a suppressor.]] <br />
[[File:Mafia 3 hdm aiming.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims the HDM at some enemies]]<br />
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==Colt Python==<br />
Lincoln Clay and other characters make use of the [[Colt Python]] throughout the game.<br />
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[[File:Colt Python 8 Inch Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel Colt Python with 8" barrel - .357 Magnum]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 loading python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln loads a Colt Python that seems to have a rather long barrel.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he speeds down the street in a muscle car, the Python can be seen in Lincoln's right hand.]]<br />
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==MAB PAP F1==<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads MAB PAP F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol world.jpg|thumb|none|600px| MAB PAP F1 on the ground.]]<br />
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=Shotguns=<br />
==Remington 870==<br />
A pump action shotgun resembling the [[Remington 870]] can be used by the player and by NPC's. It can be identified as a Remington 870, and not the Mossberg 500AT some have claimed it to be, by the rounded trigger guard and the shorter magazine tube cap.<br />
[[File:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]] <br />
[[file:Mafia3 Remington 870 world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Remington 870" on the ground.]]<br />
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==Ithaca 37==<br />
Lincoln can shoots his enemies with an [[Ithaca 37]], which appears in-game with a pistol grip, both with and without a stock. <br />
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[[File:Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca Model 37 riot with pistol grip - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln uses one hand to hold an enemy and the other to shoot him.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 ithica.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires at en enemy.]]<br />
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==Winchester Model 1887==<br />
A [[Winchester Model 1887]] resembling the configuration from [[Terminator 2]] is available for use in Mafia 3. Lincoln can flip-cock the gun in a manner similar to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Interestingly, the gun does not have a wide lever loop, making the flip-cock almost impossible without breaking one's hand. Because of this, Lincoln appears to use only his thumb inside the loop to work the action.<br />
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[[Image:Norinco Winchester 1887.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sawed off Winchester Model 1887 (Norinco Replica) - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:MafiaIII1887.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Winchester Model 1887 on the ground, with an icon hovering over it.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 pre-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln prepares to cycle the 1887.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 mid-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln midway through cocking the 1887 Notice how only Lincoln's thumb appears to be inside the loop as it rotates.]]<br />
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==Sawed off double barrel shotgun==<br />
Lincoln can make use of the classic gangster weapon, the [[Sawed-off Double Barrel Shotgun]].<br />
[[File:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A shotgun similar to the model used in-game. Note the lack of external hammers and the double triggers.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 sawed off.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln about to slam the gun's barrels shut]]<br />
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=Submachine Guns=<br />
==Beretta M12==<br />
Characters can be seen using a [[Beretta M12]]. It appears in the game as "Carter M33-A"<br />
[[File:Beretta M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 - 9x19mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay M12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy wielding an M12 searches for Lincoln.]]<br />
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==Smith & Wesson 76==<br />
Lincoln can use [[Smith & Wesson 76]] SMG in the game. It appears in the game as the "Alfredsson M833" <br />
[[Image:S&W_M76.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 SW 76.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lincoln firing the Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
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==Heckler & Koch MP54==<br />
The [[MP5]] can be used by both Lincoln and many NPC's. The in-game model appears to be modeled after the Heckler and Koch MP54, complete with a straight magazine. It appears in the game as "Deutsche M11B"<br />
[[Image:H&K MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP54 Earliest prototype of the H&K MP5 - 9x19mm]]<br />
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==Uzi==<br />
The [[Uzi]] appears in the game as the "Binya".<br />
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Uzi 9mm]]<br />
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==M1A1 Thompson==<br />
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is another useable SMG. With the "Family Kick-back" pre-order pack, a special version of the M1A1 was included, having a vertical grip much like the earlier M1921 Thompsons, but still built into the M1A1-style forestock.<br />
[[File:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
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==M3A1 Grease gun==<br />
In the game Lincoln and the gangsters use an [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]]. It appears in game as "M1N8", and is available in a suppressed variation. <br />
[[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Grease silenced .jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 with a suppressor attached]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 suppressed grease gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln threatens an enemy with the suppressed variation of the M3A1]]<br />
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==VZ.61 Skorpion==<br />
The [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]] is anpther machine pistol available in Mafia 3. It appears in the game as "Czech Ver B-65" <br />
[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa. Vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]<br />
[[File:Mafia3VZ61.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy drops his Skorpion as Lincoln blasts him with his Thompson.]]<br />
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=Rifles=<br />
==AK-47==<br />
An [[AK-47]] or its variant is seen in E3 gameplay. It appears as "Pasadena AR30".<br />
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[[File:AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]<br />
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==Colt M16A1==<br />
[[M16A1]] is briefly seen in the reveal trailer. It is also seen in E3 gameplay with a 30-round magazine, and appears as "Stromer .223".<br />
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[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M16A1 with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16 variant seen in the foreground.]]<br />
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==M1 Carbine==<br />
What looks like an [[M1 Carbine]] is briefly seen in the hands of a bad guy in One Way Road story trailer. It appears without the bayonet lug. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thompson Arms) - .30 Carbine]] <br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"M1 Carbine" on the ground.]]<br />
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==Tokarev SVT-40==<br />
In One Way Road story trailer, Burke is seen firing an [[SVT-40]] with a scope. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:SVT-40 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev SVT-40 with PU sniper scope - 7.62x54mmR]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer SVT40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Burke takes aim with the SVT-40.]]<br />
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==Winchester model 70==<br />
Lincoln can be seen in the game using this scoped bolt action rifle.<br />
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]<br />
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==M14==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. It appears in the game as the "Automat SG"<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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=Machine Guns=<br />
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==M60==<br />
In the game trailer Lincoln is seen firing this weapon at some mobsters in cars. Lincoln can be seen using this weapon in the game and it appears as "Hartmann 7.62MM"<br />
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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==M60D==<br />
In the reveal trailer, Lincoln is seen in a helicopter manning an [[M60D]] machine gun.<br />
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[[File:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincold holding the M60D by the spade grips.]]<br />
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=Launchers=<br />
==M72A1 LAW==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann AT-40" <br />
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]<br />
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==M79 grenade launcher==<br />
Lincoln is seen firing an [[M79 grenade launcher]] in a video. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann HLP"<br />
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[[File:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40x46mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing an M79 at a car.]]<br />
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=Miscellaneous=<br />
==Gun Stashes==<br />
In one of the promotional trailers for the game, several stashes of guns were seen.<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 stash 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]], an [[Uzi]], a [[Ithaca 37]] with a pistol grip, an [[M1911A1]], a [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], a [[Remington 870]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a [[M79 Grenade Launcher]], a [[M16 Rifle]], a [[M72 LAW]], and a [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 guns stash 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[m1911A1]], an [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], more than one [[Remington 870]], a [[Winchester Model 1887]], two [[Heckler & Koch MP5]]'s, an [[M60]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a pair of [[M79 Grenade Launcher]]'s, an [[AK-47]], a [[M72 LAW]], two [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]]'s, as well as both a silenced and standard version of the [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}<br />
|name = Mafia III<br />
|picture = Mafia III logo temp.jpg<br />
|caption = Mafia III<br />
|series= [[Mafia (disambiguation)|Mafia]]<br />
|date= October 7th 2016<br />
|developer=Hangar 13<br />
|platforms=PlayStation 4<br>Xbox One<br>PC<br />
|publisher=2K Games<br />
|genre=Action-adventure}}<br />
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'''''Mafia III''''' is an upcoming open-world action-adventure video game, and a sequel to ''[[Mafia II]]''. It is developed by Hangar 13 and published by 2K Games, and is set to release in October 2016 for the PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4.<br />
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'''The following firearms make an appearance in the video game ''Mafia III'':'''<br />
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=Handguns=<br />
==Colt M1911A1==<br />
The [[Colt M1911A1]] is one of many available handguns in Mafia 3.<br />
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[[File:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|World War II Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1911 Clay 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NPC passes a M1911A1 to Clay.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 Clay m1911 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Clay reaching for the M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 m1911 loading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clay puts a new magazine in the m1911A1.]]<br />
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==Browning Hi-Power==<br />
The [[Browning Hi-Power]] is available for use in the game. It can also bee seen among other weapons in a stash from one of the promotional videos.<br />
[[File:Browning-HP-P35.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power .9x19mm]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "Browning Hi-Power".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 Browning Hi-Power world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Browning Hi-Power" on the ground.]]<br />
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==High Standard HDM==<br />
The [[High Standard HDM]] is usable throughout the game. It has an integral suppressor, allowing for more stealthy gunplay.<br />
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[[File:Hi-Standard-HD-Silenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard HDM with integrated silencer - .22 LR]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay HDM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding a High Standard HDM. Note the icon on the lower left corner showing an [[M1911A1]] with a suppressor.]] <br />
[[File:Mafia 3 hdm aiming.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims the HDM at some enemies]]<br />
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==Colt Python==<br />
Lincoln Clay and other characters make use of the [[Colt Python]] throughout the game.<br />
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[[File:Colt Python 8 Inch Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel Colt Python with 8" barrel - .357 Magnum]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 loading python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln loads a Colt Python that seems to have a rather long barrel.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he speeds down the street in a muscle car, the Python can be seen in Lincoln's right hand.]]<br />
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==MAB PA-15 F1==<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the MAB PA-15 F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to MAB PA-15 F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads MAB PA-15 F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads MAB PA-15 F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads MAB PA-15 F1.]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 unknown pistol world.jpg|thumb|none|600px| MAB PA-15 F1 on the ground.]]<br />
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=Shotguns=<br />
==Remington 870==<br />
A pump action shotgun resembling the [[Remington 870]] can be used by the player and by NPC's. It can be identified as a Remington 870, and not the Mossberg 500AT some have claimed it to be, by the rounded trigger guard and the shorter magazine tube cap.<br />
[[File:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]] <br />
[[file:Mafia3 Remington 870 world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Remington 870" on the ground.]]<br />
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==Ithaca 37==<br />
Lincoln can shoots his enemies with an [[Ithaca 37]], which appears in-game with a pistol grip, both with and without a stock. <br />
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[[File:Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca Model 37 riot with pistol grip - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln uses one hand to hold an enemy and the other to shoot him.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 ithica.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires at en enemy.]]<br />
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==Winchester Model 1887==<br />
A [[Winchester Model 1887]] resembling the configuration from [[Terminator 2]] is available for use in Mafia 3. Lincoln can flip-cock the gun in a manner similar to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Interestingly, the gun does not have a wide lever loop, making the flip-cock almost impossible without breaking one's hand. Because of this, Lincoln appears to use only his thumb inside the loop to work the action.<br />
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[[Image:Norinco Winchester 1887.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sawed off Winchester Model 1887 (Norinco Replica) - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:MafiaIII1887.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Winchester Model 1887 on the ground, with an icon hovering over it.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 pre-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln prepares to cycle the 1887.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 mid-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln midway through cocking the 1887 Notice how only Lincoln's thumb appears to be inside the loop as it rotates.]]<br />
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==Sawed off double barrel shotgun==<br />
Lincoln can make use of the classic gangster weapon, the [[Sawed-off Double Barrel Shotgun]].<br />
[[File:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A shotgun similar to the model used in-game. Note the lack of external hammers and the double triggers.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 sawed off.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln about to slam the gun's barrels shut]]<br />
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=Submachine Guns=<br />
==Beretta M12==<br />
Characters can be seen using a [[Beretta M12]]. It appears in the game as "Carter M33-A"<br />
[[File:Beretta M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 - 9x19mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay M12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy wielding an M12 searches for Lincoln.]]<br />
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==Smith & Wesson 76==<br />
Lincoln can use [[Smith & Wesson 76]] SMG in the game. It appears in the game as the "Alfredsson M833" <br />
[[Image:S&W_M76.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 SW 76.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lincoln firing the Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
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==Heckler & Koch MP54==<br />
The [[MP5]] can be used by both Lincoln and many NPC's. The in-game model appears to be modeled after the Heckler and Koch MP54, complete with a straight magazine. It appears in the game as "Deutsche M11B"<br />
[[Image:H&K MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP54 Earliest prototype of the H&K MP5 - 9x19mm]]<br />
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==Uzi==<br />
The [[Uzi]] appears in the game as the "Binya".<br />
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Uzi 9mm]]<br />
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==M1A1 Thompson==<br />
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is another useable SMG. With the "Family Kick-back" pre-order pack, a special version of the M1A1 was included, having a vertical grip much like the earlier M1921 Thompsons, but still built into the M1A1-style forestock.<br />
[[File:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1A1 Thompson reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1A1 Thompson".]]<br />
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==M3A1 Grease gun==<br />
In the game Lincoln and the gangsters use an [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]]. It appears in game as "M1N8", and is available in a suppressed variation. <br />
[[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Grease silenced .jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 with a suppressor attached]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 suppressed grease gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln threatens an enemy with the suppressed variation of the M3A1]]<br />
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==VZ.61 Skorpion==<br />
The [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]] is anpther machine pistol available in Mafia 3. It appears in the game as "Czech Ver B-65" <br />
[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa. Vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]<br />
[[File:Mafia3VZ61.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy drops his Skorpion as Lincoln blasts him with his Thompson.]]<br />
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=Rifles=<br />
==AK-47==<br />
An [[AK-47]] or its variant is seen in E3 gameplay. It appears as "Pasadena AR30".<br />
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[[File:AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]<br />
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==Colt M16A1==<br />
[[M16A1]] is briefly seen in the reveal trailer. It is also seen in E3 gameplay with a 30-round magazine, and appears as "Stromer .223".<br />
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[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M16A1 with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16 variant seen in the foreground.]]<br />
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==M1 Carbine==<br />
What looks like an [[M1 Carbine]] is briefly seen in the hands of a bad guy in One Way Road story trailer. It appears without the bayonet lug. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thompson Arms) - .30 Carbine]] <br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holds the "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims to "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine reloading 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln reloads "M1 Carbine".]]<br />
[[file:Mafia3 M1 Carbine world.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"M1 Carbine" on the ground.]]<br />
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==Tokarev SVT-40==<br />
In One Way Road story trailer, Burke is seen firing an [[SVT-40]] with a scope. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:SVT-40 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev SVT-40 with PU sniper scope - 7.62x54mmR]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer SVT40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Burke takes aim with the SVT-40.]]<br />
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==Winchester model 70==<br />
Lincoln can be seen in the game using this scoped bolt action rifle.<br />
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]<br />
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==M14==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. It appears in the game as the "Automat SG"<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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=Machine Guns=<br />
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==M60==<br />
In the game trailer Lincoln is seen firing this weapon at some mobsters in cars. Lincoln can be seen using this weapon in the game and it appears as "Hartmann 7.62MM"<br />
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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==M60D==<br />
In the reveal trailer, Lincoln is seen in a helicopter manning an [[M60D]] machine gun.<br />
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[[File:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincold holding the M60D by the spade grips.]]<br />
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=Launchers=<br />
==M72A1 LAW==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann AT-40" <br />
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]<br />
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==M79 grenade launcher==<br />
Lincoln is seen firing an [[M79 grenade launcher]] in a video. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann HLP"<br />
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[[File:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40x46mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing an M79 at a car.]]<br />
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=Miscellaneous=<br />
==Gun Stashes==<br />
In one of the promotional trailers for the game, several stashes of guns were seen.<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 stash 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]], an [[Uzi]], a [[Ithaca 37]] with a pistol grip, an [[M1911A1]], a [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], a [[Remington 870]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a [[M79 Grenade Launcher]], a [[M16 Rifle]], a [[M72 LAW]], and a [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 guns stash 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[m1911A1]], an [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], more than one [[Remington 870]], a [[Winchester Model 1887]], two [[Heckler & Koch MP5]]'s, an [[M60]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a pair of [[M79 Grenade Launcher]]'s, an [[AK-47]], a [[M72 LAW]], two [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]]'s, as well as both a silenced and standard version of the [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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[[Category:Third-Person Shooter]]</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1054237Talk:Mafia III2016-10-09T10:11:31Z<p>Phillb36: Weapon Identification</p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::They've also seem to have mixed up the icons for the Hipower and the 1911. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The icons are correct, check out the triggers for each one. Some of the other icons are screwed up, though.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm definitely going to rock the Automag. Bit anachronistic, though. Also, I've been wondering, would it be anachronistic to have black, plastic "tactical" furniture on a shotgun in 1968? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::I can't find any evidence that this type of furniture existed as a factory option at the time. You could make an argument that it's a custom modification, though. I don't like some of the choices they made for the shotguns. It's almost like the shotgun configurations were chosen just so each one could have a unique icon that stands out. I really hate the modeling of the Remington 1100, forearm is wrong, and wrong magazine size for the amount of ammo the in-game gun holds. It would have been great if the devs decided to use the Remington 7180 instead.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:00, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
==Weapon Identification==<br />
The pistol identified as a Browning in the screenshots is actually a S&W Model 39. The in-game name, Alfredsson M419, can be seen in one of the screen grabs. In the Mafia series, Alfredsson=S&W products. The Browning is called "Elling 9mm" in this game. The unknown pistol is an MAB PA-15 F1.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 06:11, 9 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1053581Talk:Mafia III2016-10-05T20:48:34Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::They've also seem to have mixed up the icons for the Hipower and the 1911. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The icons are correct, check out the triggers for each one. Some of the other icons are screwed up, though.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm definitely going to rock the Automag. Bit anachronistic, though. Also, I've been wondering, would it be anachronistic to have black, plastic "tactical" furniture on a shotgun in 1968? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::I can't find any evidence that this type of furniture existed as a factory option at the time. You could make an argument that it's a custom modification, though. I don't like some of the choices they made for the shotguns. It's almost like the shotgun configurations were chosen just so each one could have a unique icon that stands out. I really hate the modeling of the Remington 1100, forearm is wrong, and wrong magazine size for the amount of ammo the in-game gun holds. It would have been great if the devs decided to use the Remington 7180 instead.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:00, 5 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1053580Talk:Mafia III2016-10-05T20:00:27Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::They've also seem to have mixed up the icons for the Hipower and the 1911. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm definitely going to rock the Automag. Bit anachronistic, though. Also, I've been wondering, would it be anachronistic to have black, plastic "tactical" furniture on a shotgun in 1968? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::I can't find any evidence that this type of furniture existed as a factory option at the time. You could make an argument that it's a custom modification, though. I don't like some of the choices they made for the shotguns. It's almost like the shotgun configurations were chosen just so each one could have a unique icon that stands out. I really hate the modeling of the Remington 1100, forearm is wrong, and wrong magazine size for the amount of ammo the in-game gun holds. It would have been great if the devs decided to use the Remington 7180 instead.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 16:00, 5 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1053451Talk:Mafia III2016-10-05T04:42:32Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
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A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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Also looks to have the curved trigger guard of the Remington, I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody has any complaints [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==New Weapons Video==<br />
There's a new [https://youtu.be/fq8qCFNK0rw video] on YouTube that shows all weapons available in the game in action. It appears the Alfredsson M200 is a S&W Model 15, despite the fact that the icon shows a SA Peacemaker-type revolver.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:42, 5 October 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Mafia_III&diff=1052449Mafia III2016-09-30T03:07:03Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}<br />
|name = Mafia III<br />
|picture = Mafia III logo temp.jpg<br />
|caption = Mafia III<br />
|series= [[Mafia (disambiguation)|Mafia]]<br />
|date= October 7th 2016<br />
|developer=Hangar 13<br />
|platforms=PlayStation 4<br>Xbox One<br>PC<br />
|publisher=2K Games<br />
|genre=Action-adventure}}<br />
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'''''Mafia III''''' is an upcoming open-world action-adventure video game, and a sequel to ''[[Mafia II]]''. It is developed by Hangar 13 and published by 2K Games, and is set to release in October 2016 for the PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4.<br />
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'''The following firearms make an appearance in the video game ''Mafia III'':'''<br />
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=Handguns=<br />
==Colt M1911A1==<br />
The [[Colt M1911A1]] is one of many available handguns in Mafia 3.<br />
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[[File:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|World War II Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1911 Clay 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NPC passes a M1911A1 to Clay.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 Clay m1911 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Clay reaching for the M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 m1911 loading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clay puts a new magazine in the m1911A1.]]<br />
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==Browning Hi-Power==<br />
The [[Browning Hi-Power]] is available for use in the game. It can also bee seen among other weapons in a stash from one of the promotional videos.<br />
[[File:Browning-HP-P35.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning Hi-Power .9mm]]<br />
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==High Standard HDM==<br />
The [[High Standard HDM]] is usable throughout the game. It has an integral suppressor, allowing for more stealthy gunplay.<br />
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[[File:Hi-Standard-HD-Silenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard HDM with integrated silencer - .22 LR]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay HDM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding a High Standard HDM. Note the icon on the lower left corner showing an [[M1911A1]] with a suppressor.]] <br />
[[File:Mafia 3 hdm aiming.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims the HDM at some enemies]]<br />
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==Colt Python==<br />
Lincoln Clay and other characters make use of the Colt Python throughout the game.<br />
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[[File:ColtPython6In.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Python. .357 magnum]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 loading python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln loads a Colt Python that seems to have a rather long barrel.]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia III pre-release Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he speeds down the street in a muscle car, the Python can be seen in Lincoln's right hand.]]<br />
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=Shotguns=<br />
==Remington 870==<br />
A pump action shotgun resembling the [[Remington 870]] can be used by the player and by NPC's. It can be identified as a Remington 870, and not the Mossberg 500AT some have claimed it to be, by the rounded trigger guard and the shorter magazine tube cap.<br />
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[[File:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug drops the shotgun after being gunned down by Lincoln]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia III gameplay Rem870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding the shotgun]]<br />
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==Ithaca 37==<br />
Lincoln can shoots his enemies with an [[Ithaca 37]], which appears in-game with a pistol grip, both with and without a stock. <br />
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[[File:Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca Model 37 riot with pistol grip - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln uses one hand to hold an enemy and the other to shoot him.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 ithica.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires at en enemy.]]<br />
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==Winchester Model 1887==<br />
A [[Winchester Model 1887]] resembling the configuration from [[Terminator 2]] is available fore use in Mafia 3. Lincoln can flip-cock the gun in a manner similar to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Interestingly, the gun does not have a wide lever loop, making the flip-cock almost impossible without breaking one's hand. Because of this, Lincoln appears to use only his thumb inside the loop to work the action.<br />
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[[Image:Norinco Winchester 1887.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sawed off Winchester Model 1887 (Norinco Replica) - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:MafiaIII1887.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Winchester Model 1887 on the ground, with an icon hovering over it.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 pre-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln prepares to cycle the 1887.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 mid-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln midway through cocking the 1887 Notice how only Lincoln's thumb appears to be inside the loop as it rotates.]]<br />
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==Sawed off double barrel shotgun==<br />
Lincoln can make use of the classic gangster weapon, the sawed-off shotgun.<br />
[[File:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A shotgun similar to the model used in-game. Note the lack of external hammers and the double triggers.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 sawed off.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln about to slam the gun's barrels shut]]<br />
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=Submachine Guns=<br />
==Beretta M12==<br />
Characters can be seen using a [[Beretta M12]]. It appears in the game as "Carter M33-A"<br />
[[File:Beretta M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 - 9x19mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay M12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy wielding an M12 searches for Lincoln.]]<br />
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==Smith & Wesson 76==<br />
Lincoln can use Smith & Wesson 76 SMG in the game. It appears in the game as the "Alfredsson M833" <br />
[[Image:S&W_M76.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 SW 76.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Lincoln firing the Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
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==Heckler & Koch MP54==<br />
The MP5 can be used by both Lincoln and many NPC's. The in-game model appears to be modeled after the Heckler and Koch MP54, complete with a straight magazine. It appears in the game as "Deutsche M11B"<br />
[[Image:H&K MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP54 Earliest prototype of the H&K MP5 - 9x19mm]]<br />
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==Uzi==<br />
The Uzi appears in the game as the "Binya".<br />
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Uzi 9mm]]<br />
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==M1A1 Thompson==<br />
The M1A1 Thompson is another useable SMG. With the "Family Kick-back" pre-order pack, a special version of the M1A1 was included, having a vertical grip much like the earlier M1921 Thompsons, but still built into the M1A1-style forestock.<br />
[[File:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires the "Family Kick-back" edition Thompson. Note how he still holds the normal forestock in spite of the vertical foregrip.]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing a Thompson.]]<br />
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==M3A1 Grease gun==<br />
In the game Lincoln and the gangsters use an M3A1 Grease gun. It appears in game as "M1N8", and is available in a suppressed variation. <br />
[[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Grease silenced .jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 with a suppressor attached]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 suppressed grease gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Lincoln threatens an enemy with the suppressed variation of the M3A1]]<br />
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==VZ.61 Skorpion==<br />
The [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]] is anpther machine pistol available in Mafia 3. It appears in the game as "Czech Ver B-65" <br />
[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa. Vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]<br />
[[File:Mafia3VZ61.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy drops his Skorpion as Lincoln blasts him with his Thompson.]]<br />
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=Rifles=<br />
==AK-47==<br />
An [[AK-47]] or its variant is seen in E3 gameplay. It appears as "Pasadena AR30".<br />
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[[File:AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]<br />
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==Colt M16A1==<br />
[[M16A1]] is briefly seen in the reveal trailer. It is also seen in E3 gameplay with a 30-round magazine, and appears as "Stromer .223".<br />
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[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M16A1 with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16 variant seen in the foreground.]]<br />
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==M1 Carbine==<br />
What looks like an [[M1 Carbine]] is briefly seen in the hands of a bad guy in One Way Road story trailer. It appears without the bayonet lug. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thompson Arms) - .30 Carbine]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M1 Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1 Carbine flying in mid air.]]<br />
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==Tokarev SVT-40==<br />
In One Way Road story trailer, Burke is seen firing an [[SVT-40]] with a scope. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:SVT-40 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev SVT-40 with PU sniper scope - 7.62x54mmR]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer SVT40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Burke takes aim with the SVT-40.]]<br />
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==Winchester model 70==<br />
Lincoln can be seen in the game using this scoped bolt action rifle.<br />
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]<br />
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==M14==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. It appears in the game as the "Automat SG"<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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=Machine Guns=<br />
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==M60==<br />
In the game trailer Lincoln is seen firing this weapon at some mobsters in cars. Lincoln can be seen using this weapon in the game and it appears as "Hartmann 7.62MM"<br />
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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==M60D==<br />
In the reveal trailer, Lincoln is seen in a helicopter manning an [[M60D]] machine gun.<br />
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[[File:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincold holding the M60D by the spade grips.]]<br />
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=Launchers=<br />
==M72A1 LAW==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann AT-40" <br />
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]<br />
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==M79 grenade launcher==<br />
Lincoln is seen firing an [[M79 grenade launcher]] in a video. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann HLP"<br />
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[[File:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40x46mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing an M79 at a car.]]<br />
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=Miscellaneous=<br />
==Gun Stashes==<br />
In one of the promotional trailers for the game, several stashes of guns were seen.<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 stash 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]], an [[Uzi]], a [[Ithaca 37]] with a pistol grip, an [[M1911A1]], a [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], a [[Remington 870]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a [[M79 Grenade Launcher]], a [[M16 Rifle]], a [[M72 LAW]], and a [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 guns stash 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[m1911A1]], an [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], more than one [[Remington 870]], a [[Winchester Model 1887]], two [[Heckler & Koch MP5]]'s, an [[M60]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a pair of [[M79 Grenade Launcher]]'s, an [[AK-47]], a [[M72 LAW]], two [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]]'s, as well as both a silenced and standard version of the [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}<br />
|name = Mafia III<br />
|picture = Mafia III logo temp.jpg<br />
|caption = Mafia III<br />
|series= [[Mafia (disambiguation)|Mafia]]<br />
|date= October 7th 2016<br />
|developer=Hangar 13<br />
|platforms=PlayStation 4<br>Xbox One<br>PC<br />
|publisher=2K Games<br />
|genre=Action-adventure}}<br />
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'''''Mafia III''''' is an upcoming open-world action-adventure video game, and a sequel to ''[[Mafia II]]''. It is developed by Hangar 13 and published by 2K Games, and is set to release in October 2016 for the PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4.<br />
<br />
'''The following firearms make an appearance in the video game ''Mafia III'':'''<br />
__TOC__<br clear="all"><br />
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=Handguns=<br />
==Colt M1911A1==<br />
The [[Colt M1911A1]] is one of many available handguns in Mafia 3.<br />
<br />
[[File:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|World War II Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1911 Clay 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NPC passes a M1911A1 to Clay.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 Clay m1911 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Clay reaching for the M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 m1911 loading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clay puts a new magazine in the m1911A1.]]<br />
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==Browning Hi-Power==<br />
The [[Browning Hi-Power]] is available for use in the game. It can also bee seen among other weapons in a stash from one of the promotional videos.<br />
[[File:Browning-HP-P35.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning Hi-Power .9mm]]<br />
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==High Standard HDM==<br />
The [[High Standard HDM]] is usable throughout the game. It has an integral suppressor, allowing for more stealthy gunplay.<br />
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[[File:Hi-Standard-HD-Silenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard HDM with integrated silencer - .22 LR]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay HDM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding a High Standard HDM. Note the icon on the lower left corner showing an [[M1911A1]] with a suppressor.]] <br />
[[File:Mafia 3 hdm aiming.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims the HDM at some enemies]]<br />
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==Colt Python==<br />
Lincoln Clay and other characters make use of the Colt Python throughout the game.<br />
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[[File:ColtPython6In.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Python. .357 magnum]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 loading python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln loads a Colt Python that seems to have a rather long barrel.]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia III pre-release Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he speeds down the street in a muscle car, the Python can be seen in Lincoln's right hand.]]<br />
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=Shotguns=<br />
==Mossberg 500AT/ Remington 870==<br />
A pump action shotgun resembling both the [Mossberg 500] and the [Remington 870] can be used by the player and by NPC's. Since the game does not use the real names of its guns, it is difficult to know which shotgun it is modeled after, due to the Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870 being virtually identical guns. <br />
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[[Image:Mossberg500AT.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500AT Shotgun - 12 gauge.]]<br />
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[[File:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug drops the shotgun after being gunned down by Lincoln]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia III gameplay Rem870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding the shotgun]]<br />
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==Ithaca 37==<br />
Lincoln can shoots his enemies with an [[Ithaca 37]], which appears in-game with a pistol grip, both with and without a stock. <br />
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[[File:Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca Model 37 riot with pistol grip - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln uses one hand to hold an enemy and the other to shoot him.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 ithica.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires at en enemy.]]<br />
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==Winchester Model 1887==<br />
A [[Winchester Model 1887]] resembling the configuration from [[Terminator 2]] is available fore use in Mafia 3. Lincoln can flip-cock the gun in a manner similar to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Interestingly, the gun does not have a wide lever loop, making the flip-cock almost impossible without breaking one's hand. Because of this, Lincoln appears to use only his thumb inside the loop to work the action.<br />
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[[Image:Norinco Winchester 1887.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sawed off Winchester Model 1887 (Norinco Replica) - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:MafiaIII1887.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Winchester Model 1887 on the ground, with an icon hovering over it.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 pre-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln prepares to cycle the 1887.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 mid-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln midway through cocking the 1887 Notice how only Lincoln's thumb appears to be inside the loop as it rotates.]]<br />
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==Sawed off double barrel shotgun==<br />
Lincoln can make use of the classic gangster weapon, the sawed-off shotgun.<br />
[[File:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A shotgun similar to the model used in-game. Note the lack of external hammers and the double triggers.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 sawed off.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln about to slam the gun's barrels shut]]<br />
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=Submachine Guns=<br />
==Beretta M12==<br />
In a gameplay video, a bad guy is briefly seen holding a [[Beretta M12]]. It appears in the game as "Carter M33-A"<br />
[[File:Beretta M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 - 9x19mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay M12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man in the middle is holding a Beretta M12.]]<br />
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==Smith & Wesson 76==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. It appears in the game as the "Alfredsson M833" <br />
[[Image:S&W_M76.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
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==Heckler & Koch MP54==<br />
In the game Lincoln and many of the gangsters can be seen using a Heckler and Koch MP54 with a straight magazine. It appears in the game as "Deutsche M11B"<br />
[[Image:H&K MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP54 earliest prototype of the H&K MP5 - 9x19mm]]<br />
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==Uzi==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon. It appears in the game as the "Binya".<br />
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Uzi 9mm]]<br />
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==M1A1 Thompson==<br />
Lincoln is seen firing an [[M1A1 Thompson]] in a released screenshot.<br />
[[File:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing a Thompson.]]<br />
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==M3A1 Grease gun==<br />
In the game Lincoln and the gangsters use an M3A1 Grease gun. It appears in game as "M1N8", and is available in a suppressed variation. <br />
[[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Grease silenced .jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 with a suppressor attached]]<br />
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==VZ.61 Skorpion==<br />
A [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]] is seen being dropped by an enemy in a gameplay demo. It appears in the game as "Czech Ver B-65" <br />
[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa. Vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]<br />
[[File:Mafia3VZ61.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy drops his Skorpion as Lincoln blasts him with his Thompson.]]<br />
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=Rifles=<br />
==AK-47==<br />
An [[AK-47]] or its variant is seen in E3 gameplay. It appears as "Pasadena AR30".<br />
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[[File:AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]<br />
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==Colt M16A1==<br />
[[M16A1]] is briefly seen in the reveal trailer. It is also seen in E3 gameplay with a 30-round magazine, and appears as "Stromer .223".<br />
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[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M16A1 with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16 variant seen in the foreground.]]<br />
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==M1 Carbine==<br />
What looks like an [[M1 Carbine]] is briefly seen in the hands of a bad guy in One Way Road story trailer. It appears without the bayonet lug. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thompson Arms) - .30 Carbine]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M1 Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1 Carbine flying in mid air.]]<br />
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==Tokarev SVT-40==<br />
In One Way Road story trailer, Burke is seen firing an [[SVT-40]] with a scope. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:SVT-40 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev SVT-40 with PU sniper scope - 7.62x54mmR]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer SVT40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Burke takes aim with the SVT-40.]]<br />
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==Winchester model 70==<br />
Lincoln can be seen in the game using this scoped bolt action rifle.<br />
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]<br />
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==M14==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. It appears in the game as the "Automat SG"<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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=Machine Guns=<br />
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==M60==<br />
In the game trailer Lincoln is seen firing this weapon at some mobsters in cars. Lincoln can be seen using this weapon in the game and it appears as "Hartmann 7.62MM"<br />
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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==M60D==<br />
In the reveal trailer, Lincoln is seen in a helicopter manning an [[M60D]] machine gun.<br />
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[[File:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincold holding the M60D by the spade grips.]]<br />
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=Launchers=<br />
==M72A1 LAW==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann AT-40" <br />
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]<br />
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==M79 grenade launcher==<br />
Lincoln is seen firing an [[M79 grenade launcher]] in a video. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann HLP"<br />
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[[File:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40x46mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing an M79 at a car.]]<br />
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=Miscellaneous=<br />
==Gun Stashes==<br />
In one of the promotional trailers for the game, several stashes of guns were seen.<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 stash 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]], an [[Uzi]], a [[Ithaca 37]] with a pistol grip, an [[m1911A1]], a [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], a [[Mossberg 500]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a [[m79 Grenade Launcher]], a [[M16 Rifle]], a [[M72 LAW]], and a [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 guns stash 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[m1911A1]], an [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], more than one [[Mossberg 500]], a [[Winchester Model 1887]], two [[Heckler & Koch MP5]]'s, an [[M60]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a pair of [[m79 Grenade Launcher]]'s, an [[AK-47]], a [[M72 LAW]], two [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]]'s, as well as both a silenced and standard version of the [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}<br />
|name = Mafia III<br />
|picture = Mafia III logo temp.jpg<br />
|caption = Mafia III<br />
|series= [[Mafia (disambiguation)|Mafia]]<br />
|date= October 7th 2016<br />
|developer=Hangar 13<br />
|platforms=PlayStation 4<br>Xbox One<br>PC<br />
|publisher=2K Games<br />
|genre=Action-adventure}}<br />
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'''''Mafia III''''' is an upcoming open-world action-adventure video game, and a sequel to ''[[Mafia II]]''. It is developed by Hangar 13 and published by 2K Games, and is set to release in October 2016 for the PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4.<br />
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'''The following firearms make an appearance in the video game ''Mafia III'':'''<br />
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=Handguns=<br />
==Colt M1911A1==<br />
The [[Colt M1911A1]] is one of many available handguns in Mafia 3.<br />
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[[File:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|World War II Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1911 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1911 Clay 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NPC passes a M1911A1 to Clay.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 Clay m1911 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Clay reaching for the M1911A1.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 m1911 loading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clay puts a new magazine in the m1911A1.]]<br />
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==Browning Hi-Power==<br />
The [[Browning Hi-Power]] is available for use in the game. It can also bee seen among other weapons in a stash from one of the promotional videos.<br />
[[File:Browning-HP-P35.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning Hi-Power .9mm]]<br />
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==High Standard HDM==<br />
The [[High Standard HDM]] is usable throughout the game. It has an integral suppressor, allowing for more stealthy gunplay.<br />
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[[File:Hi-Standard-HD-Silenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard HDM with integrated silencer - .22 LR]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay HDM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding a High Standard HDM. Note the icon on the lower left corner showing an [[M1911A1]] with a suppressor.]] <br />
[[File:Mafia 3 hdm aiming.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln aims the HDM at some enemies]]<br />
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==Colt Python==<br />
Lincoln Clay and other characters make use of the Colt Python throughout the game.<br />
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[[File:ColtPython6In.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Python. .357 magnum]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 loading python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln loads a Colt Python that seems to have a rather long barrel.]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia III pre-release Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he speeds down the street in a muscle car, the Python can be seen in Lincoln's right hand.]]<br />
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=Shotguns=<br />
==Mossberg 500AT/ Remington 870==<br />
A pump action shotgun resembling both the [Mossberg 500] and the [Remington 870] can be used by the player and by NPC's. Since the game does not use the real names of its guns, it is difficult to know which shotgun it is modeled after, due to the Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870 being virtually identical guns. <br />
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[[Image:Mossberg500AT.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500AT Shotgun - 12 gauge.]]<br />
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[[File:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug drops the shotgun after being gunned down by Lincoln]]<br />
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[[File:Mafia III gameplay Rem870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln holding the shotgun]]<br />
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==Ithaca 37==<br />
Lincoln can shoots his enemies with an [[Ithaca 37]], which appears in-game with a pistol grip, both with and without a stock. <br />
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[[File:Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca Model 37 riot with pistol grip - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer Ithaca37.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln uses one hand to hold an enemy and the other to shoot him.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 ithica.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires at en enemy.]]<br />
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==Winchester Model 1887==<br />
A [[Winchester Model 1887]] resembling the configuration from [[Terminator 2]] is available fore use in Mafia 3. Lincoln can flip-cock the gun in a manner similar to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Interestingly, the gun does not have a wide lever loop, making the flip-cock almost impossible without breaking one's hand. Because of this, Lincoln appears to use only his thumb inside the loop to work the action.<br />
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[[Image:Norinco Winchester 1887.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sawed off Winchester Model 1887 (Norinco Replica) - 12 gauge]]<br />
[[File:MafiaIII1887.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Winchester Model 1887 on the ground, with an icon hovering over it.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 pre-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln prepares to cycle the 1887.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 1887 mid-cock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln midway through cocking the 1887 Notice how only Lincoln's thumb appears to be inside the loop as it rotates.]]<br />
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==Sawed off double barrel shotgun==<br />
Lincoln can make use of the classic gangster weapon, the sawed-off shotgun.<br />
[[File:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A shotgun similar to the model used in-game. Note the lack of external hammers and the double triggers.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 sawed off.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln about to slam the gun's barrels shut]]<br />
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=Submachine Guns=<br />
==Beretta M12==<br />
In a gameplay video, a bad guy is briefly seen holding a [[Beretta M12]]. It appears in the game as "Carter M33-A"<br />
[[File:Beretta M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 - 9x19mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III gameplay M12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man in the middle is holding a Beretta M12.]]<br />
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==Smith & Wesson 76==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. It appears in the game as the "Alfredsson M833" <br />
[[Image:S&W_M76.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson M76]]<br />
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==Heckler & Koch MP54==<br />
In the game Lincoln and many of the gangsters can be seen using a Heckler and Koch MP54 with a thin magazine. It appears in the game as "Deutsche M11B"<br />
[[Image:H&K MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP54 earliest prototype of the H&K MP5 - 9x19mm]]<br />
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==Uzi==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon. It appears in the game as the "Binya".<br />
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Uzi 9mm]]<br />
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==M1A1 Thompson==<br />
Lincoln is seen firing an [[M1A1 Thompson]] in a released screenshot.<br />
[[File:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III pre-release M1A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing a Thompson.]]<br />
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==M3A1 Grease gun==<br />
In the game Lincoln and the gangsters use an M3A1 Grease gun. It appears in game as "M1N8", and is available in a suppressed variation. <br />
[[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP.]]<br />
[[File:Grease silenced .jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 with a suppressor attached]]<br />
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==VZ.61 Skorpion==<br />
A [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]] is seen being dropped by an enemy in a gameplay demo. It appears in the game as "Czech Ver B-65" <br />
[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa. Vz. 61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]<br />
[[File:Mafia3VZ61.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy drops his Skorpion as Lincoln blasts him with his Thompson.]]<br />
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=Rifles=<br />
==AK-47==<br />
An [[AK-47]] or its variant is seen in E3 gameplay. It appears as "Pasadena AR30".<br />
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[[File:AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]<br />
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==Colt M16A1==<br />
[[M16A1]] is briefly seen in the reveal trailer. It is also seen in E3 gameplay with a 30-round magazine, and appears as "Stromer .223".<br />
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[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M16A1 with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16 variant seen in the foreground.]]<br />
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==M1 Carbine==<br />
What looks like an [[M1 Carbine]] is briefly seen in the hands of a bad guy in One Way Road story trailer. It appears without the bayonet lug. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thompson Arms) - .30 Carbine]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M1 Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1 Carbine flying in mid air.]]<br />
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==Tokarev SVT-40==<br />
In One Way Road story trailer, Burke is seen firing an [[SVT-40]] with a scope. Lincoln can use this weapon in the game.<br />
[[File:SVT-40 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev SVT-40 with PU sniper scope - 7.62x54mmR]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer SVT40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Burke takes aim with the SVT-40.]]<br />
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==Winchester model 70==<br />
Lincoln can be seen in the game using this scoped bolt action rifle.<br />
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]<br />
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==M14==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. It appears in the game as the "Automat SG"<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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=Machine Guns=<br />
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==M60==<br />
In the game trailer Lincoln is seen firing this weapon at some mobsters in cars. Lincoln can be seen using this weapon in the game and it appears as "Hartmann 7.62MM"<br />
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
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==M60D==<br />
In the reveal trailer, Lincoln is seen in a helicopter manning an [[M60D]] machine gun.<br />
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[[File:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]] <br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincold holding the M60D by the spade grips.]]<br />
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=Launchers=<br />
==M72A1 LAW==<br />
Lincoln can use this weapon in the game. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann AT-40" <br />
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]<br />
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==M79 grenade launcher==<br />
Lincoln is seen firing an [[M79 grenade launcher]] in a video. In the game it appears as the "Hartmann HLP"<br />
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[[File:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40x46mm]]<br />
[[File:Mafia III trailer M79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln firing an M79 at a car.]]<br />
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=Miscellaneous=<br />
==Gun Stashes==<br />
In one of the promotional trailers for the game, several stashes of guns were seen.<br />
[[File:Mafia 3 stash 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]], an [[Uzi]], a [[Ithaca 37]] with a pistol grip, an [[m1911A1]], a [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], a [[Mossberg 500]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a [[m79 Grenade Launcher]], a [[M16 Rifle]], a [[M72 LAW]], and a [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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[[File:Mafia 3 guns stash 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Among the weapons, we can see a [[m1911A1]], an [[Browning High Power]], a [[Colt Python]], more than one [[Mossberg 500]], a [[Winchester Model 1887]], two [[Heckler & Koch MP5]]'s, an [[M60]], a scoped [[SVT-40]], a pair of [[m79 Grenade Launcher]]'s, an [[AK-47]], a [[M72 LAW]], two [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion|Vz.61 Skorpion]]'s, as well as both a silenced and standard version of the [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]].]] <br />
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
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== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
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Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
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Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
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Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
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Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
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New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
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M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
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At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
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MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
<br />
A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==Shotgun Identification==<br />
I'm sorry, but the Remington 870 & Mossberg 500 are not "virtually identical". It's clear to me that the "Barker 390" is supposed to be a Remington 870. The most telling detail is the magazine tube cap, which has no lug attaching it to the barrel. The Mossberg has a barrel lug that connects to the magazine. This can be seen clearly in the photos of both guns on the Mafia 3 page. The screenshot used for the Ithaca 37 is also wrong. It shows the "Barker 1500", which is supposed to be a Remington 1100.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:02, 27 September 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1051241Talk:Mafia III2016-09-24T03:00:50Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
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It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
<br />
Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
<br />
Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
<br />
New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
<br />
M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
<br />
At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
<br />
MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
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The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
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It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
<br />
A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==Weapons Stashes==<br />
The pump shotguns in the weapon stash screenshots are Remington 870s, not Mossbergs. The in-game Mossberg 500 has an extended magazine tube, despite the fact the icon shows the standard capacity version.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1048870Talk:Mafia III2016-09-10T01:34:06Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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<br />
== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
<br />
It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
<br />
Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
<br />
Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
<br />
New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
<br />
M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
<br />
At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
<br />
MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
<br />
The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
<br />
It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only weapon I've seen that is totally anachronistic for the time period, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a Starlight scope. Suppressed variant of the M3 is in the game. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! <br />
<br />
A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsson M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1048862Talk:Mafia III2016-09-10T00:43:47Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
<br />
It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
<br />
Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
<br />
Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
<br />
New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
<br />
M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
<br />
At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
<br />
MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
<br />
The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
<br />
It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==More Weapons==<br />
Quite a few videos have been uploaded to YouTube by gamers that attended the Mafia 3 preview event hosted by 2k, and that means loads of more info about weapons. Many of the them can be seen in this [https://youtu.be/fMRwJI1NaH8 video] that shows the weapons van. I've spotted the Remington 1100, S&W M-76, Uzi, M-14, M1903 sniper, LAW rocket, & the .44 Automag. The Automag is the only totally anachronistic weapon for the time period I've seen, although it was under development in '68, so it's not that far off. The M-14 can be fired full auto, and can also be obtained with a starlite scope. There is also a version of the Python with a scope! A couple of things bugged me, though. One is the Remington 1100--it's horribly modeled. The forearm looks like the pump of the 870. It's as if the artists took the existing 870 and just slightly modified it to make the 1100. It also has a pistol grip and full stock, which I don't believe existed at the time, at least not as a factory option. I suppose it could be argued that it's a custom stock. I also don't like the "alfredsonn M200". I get the impression from it's description that it was intended to be a DA Smith, but the icon looks like a SA Ruger. This might be another case of the icon not matching the in-game weapon. I caught a glimpse of the revolvers carried by the police and they resemble DA S&Ws, not SA Rugers. Of course I'm assumimg these are the same weapon.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:43, 9 September 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1032445Talk:Mafia III2016-06-21T04:11:26Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
<br />
It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
<br />
Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
<br />
Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
<br />
New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
<br />
M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
<br />
At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
<br />
MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
<br />
The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
<br />
It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
:The presence of the AK could always be handwaved as being a battlefield bringback from Vietnam, or being smuggled into the country through Central/South America.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:07, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
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==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
:We do have a picture of HK54, or MP54, it's in MP5 discussion page. I'll go ahead and put it on the page and switch the MP5A3 to MP54, as I also think the weapon in game is MP54. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I didn't even think to check the discussion page! Thanks for updating that entry.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:11, 21 June 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1032261Talk:Mafia III2016-06-20T03:28:29Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
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<br />
== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
<br />
It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
<br />
Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
<br />
Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
<br />
New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
<br />
M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
<br />
At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
<br />
MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
<br />
The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
<br />
It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
::Of course anything that existed during the time period is fair game. Look at Battlefield 1 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:36, 14 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
The sniper rifle Lincoln fires at about 4:02 is 100% a Springfield M1903A4, I like the weapon choices, of course there is a bit of annoyance at the presence of the AK, but overall you can tell they actually paid attention (infinitely more than other games I could mention *Black Ops*) to weapons of the era, maybe took a little artistic license with some of their availability, but they fit and add to the setting; moreso than an AUG on the battlefields of Vietnam.<br />
<br />
==About that "MP5"==<br />
I don't think the weapon in question can be listed is an MP5A3. It's clear that the in-game weapon has the sights, forearm, & barrel of the HK54, despite using an icon of the MP5A3. The magazine of the in-game gun is not even the typical straight "waffle pattern", but an even earlier version. I see that the MP5 page has no photo of the HK54. Does someone have a photo of this weapon that we can use for this site? -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1031246Talk:Mafia III2016-06-14T06:26:17Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
<br />
It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
<br />
Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
<br />
Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
<br />
New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
<br />
M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
<br />
At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
<br />
MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
<br />
The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
<br />
It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
I mean if it has the slimline grips and straight mag, it's not anachronistic. The PA-15 seems like an odd choice, but given the Scorpion and AK, anything's possible. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 00:56, 14 June 2016 (EST)<br />
:It's unusual because they chose early HK54 version, instead of the MP5A3. The gun may not be anachronistic, but it's safe to say there were 0 MP5s in the U.S. In 1968. From what I have read, the first few sample MP5s weren't imported until 1970. As I mentioned, it seems anything that existed in 1968 is fair game, the devs don't seem to care what was actually available in the U.S. during this time period. The MAB may seem an unusual addition, but I believe these were actually imported into the U.S. In the 1960s, so it's not far fetched. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 02:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1031238Talk:Mafia III2016-06-14T02:52:24Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
<br />
It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==E3 Coverage==<br />
A [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQCeo3u2Pk video] released at E3 shows 20 minutes of Mafia 3 gameplay. Lots more guns are seen in action, including the M16, AK47 & M60. <br /><br />
<br />
Other guns I spotted:<br /><br />
<br />
Browning Hi-Power, appears as the "Elling 9mm".<br /><br />
<br />
New Shotgun, the "Riot 550", probably modeled on the Mossberg 500. The shotgun animation has also been corrected. In previous videos Lincoln never pumped the shotgun after firing, he now can be seen working the pump after every shot.<br /><br />
<br />
M3 Grease Gun-- dropped by quite a few thugs.<br /><br />
<br />
At one point Lincoln is holding what I'm almost sure is an M-14.<br /><br />
<br />
MAB PA-15 F1, appears as the Blackburn FAF-33. At first I thought this was a Stechkin, but after looking at the trigger & other details, pretty sure it's a MAB.<br /><br />
<br />
The most unusual addition is the early version of the MP5, the HK54! <br /><br />
<br />
It's obvious that any weapon that existed in 1968 is fair game for inclusion, so who knows what else will pop up. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 13 June 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1021700Talk:Mafia III2016-04-29T04:21:27Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
<br />
It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:The selection of weapons is much improved compared to the last Mafia game. The M-14 is a must, and perhaps the game will feature a sniper version. I would also like to see the Carl Gustav M/45 or a S&W M-76. And since the devs aren't trying to be too realistic in their choices, why not include weapons like the CAR-15, Stoner 63, & Remington 7188?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:21, 29 April 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1021140Talk:Mafia III2016-04-26T03:45:43Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
<hr />
<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:::I added the Remington 870, Beretta M12 and High Standard HDM. Even though the shotgun does look like an 870, Lincoln decides not to pump the weapon after each shot, which makes me wonder whether this is just a gameplay issue (as the game is still in development phase), little ignorance from the devs or is it a semi-auto shotgun? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:37, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::::The shotgun is definitely based on a pump Remington 870, but it's possible it's supposed to be a semi auto and the devs screwed up. It seems like a dumb mistake to make If that's the case. I would think that if it is intended to be a pump gun that the animation would have been added before it was demo'd. Of course this is still in development so things could change. Also, I was able to get a good look at the other SMG in the gameplay footage, and it's definitely an M3. As for the Elling 9mm, I was able to get a very brief glimpse of it, and I'm leaning toward it being a Browning Hi-Power. -- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:45, 25 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== 2 new guns ==<br />
<br />
Hey everyone, I saw a gameplay demo tonight and spotted two new guns- the Skorpion and Winchester 1887. Added both to the page with images. <br />
<br />
It seems like this game will have a pretty sizable arsenal to choose from, which always makes me happy. I hope we get an M14 and an AR-10 too. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:40, 25 April 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1020951Talk:Mafia III2016-04-24T19:03:32Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
:I took some screencaps of Ithaca 37 and SVT-40 from the One Way Road story trailer. And also it seems that they're using M1928 Thompson as the weapon icon for the M1A1 Thompson. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 04:14, 24 April 2016 (EDT)<br />
::I noticed the Thompson icon too, maybe that's something they will fix before the game is released, but who knows. I also saw that some mafia thugs drop a pistol named "Elling 9 mm", but there is no way to identify it as there is no accompaning icon. I'm guessing it's either a Walther P38, Browning Hi-Power, or Beretta M1951..there aren't too many other choices for this time period. Will you be adding the other weapons to page?-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 15:03, 24 April 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1020834Talk:Mafia III2016-04-24T06:02:34Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New Trailer, New Gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. For some reason the icon shows a 1911 with silencer. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mafia_III&diff=1020833Talk:Mafia III2016-04-24T05:56:13Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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<div>[https://youtu.be/_Xtq18Vmh3s] - in fact, a video of the gameplay. One can see a lot of new guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:38, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:I saw a M1911A1 (in the magical DAO mode) something that looked like a lee-enfield boltgun, a colt python(?) and a full size Uzi. Gotta say, this game looks kinda crap, and im not talking about the graphics.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:47, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::It has a real crappy vibe to it... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:49, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::It looks kinda janky and laggy for one thing, but it also just feels kinda soulless, like the devs aren't really using the environment they created as anything other then a shooting gallery filled with uncocked hammers. Oh well, we'll see how it turns out, seems to have a good soundtrack atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:10, 18 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::I spotted a Vz 61 Skorpion as "Czech Version B-65" around 9:10, perhaps an M1 Garand as "Mayweather .30 Battle Rifle" with what looks like a short magazine at 9:21, M1928 Thompson as "Trench 1938" at 9:46. And I do agree, it does look somewhat crappy and soulless. It feels like a generic or GTA-like free roaming shooting gallery, and I don't like the way Lincoln holds his pistol with one hand, at least Vito in Mafia II used both hands. Also I don't think that kind of knife takedowns fit in a Mafia game, and why on earth the guns don't go by their real names as many guns did in Mafia II? Of course it's in alpha stage and many things may change, but damn. EDIT: Hot damn, Paint it Black plays on car radio, I may have to buy this game :D --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::The soundtrack does seem to be really good, they had The house of the rising sun and All along the watchtower in the first trailer.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:44, 19 December 2015 (EST)<br />
::::::The alfredsson pistol appears to be a S&W Model 39. I think the shotgun is a Remington 870. I also spotted an AK. When Lincoln abandons his car and it rams the mafia thugs causing an explosion, a rifle is thrown into the air which I believe is an AK. You have to look really close to see it. I'm dissapointed with some of the weapon choices. I thought the devs would choose to include guns that criminals in the 1960s could realistically obtain. This seems to be the case as far as the choice of pistols and the inclusion the Thompson & Garand, but when I watched the gameplay I expected to see weapons such as M3, S&W M-76, M-1 Carbine, or M-14. Instead it appears anything that existed in 1968 is fair game. Sorry, but including the Skorpion is total BS...I'm going to go out on a limb and say there were exactly 0 mafia thugs using those in the 1960s. The AK is also very unlikely. Yes, some were smuggled back from Vietnam, but I highly doubt it was a common weapon in the mafia. At least all the weapons appear to be accurately modeled after their real world counterparts. As far as the quality of the game as a whole, I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished product.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 00:03, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::::I'm disappointed no crime game ever features cheap saturday night special type guns like a Raven Arms or Hi-Point. In the case of Mafia III, a Rohm revolver might be fitting.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Unknown Guns ==<br />
<br />
Taking a bit of a guess due to the screenshots not being the best, I think the unknown revolver is a Colt Python, from both the image as well as the various release videos they did for the game. The unknown shotgun appears to be another Remington 870 like Mafia II, just without the barrel rib. Also try to organize this discussion page, it's a pretty big mess. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 11:36, 18 January 2015 (EST)<br />
<br />
==New trailer, New gameplay, New Guns==<br />
The latest trailer & gameplay footage reveal quite a few new weapons. <br />
This gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxxno8FX1s video]<br />
Shows: What I think is M3 "Grease Gun" at 1:19, Beretta M12 at 1:23, Remington 700 at 4:01?, sawed off Winchester 1901 at 3:02, & the Lupara at 3:25.<br />
The new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxzj3QbTCQs trailer] shows what appears to be a SVT-40 at 1:15, Ithaca 37 at 1:24, & M1 Carbine at 1:28.<br />
There is also a suppressed pistol, which appears to be a High Standard. A good shot of it is in this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvtBv-EUH4 video] at 2:00 minute mark.- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:56, 24 April 2016 (EDT)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Heckler_%26_Koch_G3&diff=998914Talk:Heckler & Koch G32016-01-29T06:04:23Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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=Image gallery - OTHER variants of the G3=<br />
[[Image:G3a3zf.jpg|thumb|425px|none|G3A3ZF with Hensoldt 4x24 optical sight - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[File:BeltFedHK51.jpg|thumb|none|425px|Volmer HK51]]<br />
[[Image:HK41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|HK41 with slimline handguard (1974 model as noted by its gloss black finish and lack of paddle magazine release or push-pin lower) - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[File:G3 Namibian.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Namibian G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:Swedishak4hkg3a3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The original Swedish version of the H&K G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO under the Swedish designation "Ak 4". It was used first by the Swedish Armed Forces from the early 1960's until replaced in the late 1980's by the "Ak 5" (A variant [[FN FNC]]). The Ak 4 was then taken over by the Swedish Home Guard.]]<br />
[[Image:Ak4b.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The further Swedish modified H&K G3A3 fitted with a rail and red-point sight under the Swedish name "Ak 4B". This is the latest version of the Ak 4.]]<br />
[[File:Norwegian AG3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AG3, Norwegian variant of the Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO. This variant has a slightly longer stock, a different bayonet lug, and a semi circular dent in the bolt carrier to assist in manually closing the bolt.]]<br />
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=Discussion=<br />
Picture of the G3 SG/1 is incorrect, the German army G3 SG/1 was fitted with a smaller non illuminated scope on a H&K proprietary "claw" type mounting, and has complicated "set" trigger mechanism visible as a second "trigger" behind the normal trigger.<br />
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==G3A3 photo is wrong==<br />
The G3A3 photo with the green furniture has been bugging me for a while. The G3A2-A3 rifles always had metal lowers. The Navy style all plastic lower is not an HK G3A2 or A3 lower. That photo is of the American clone, the Vektor arms copy of the G3/HK91. I'm going to photograph a REAL G3A3 soon with the proper furniture since that shot really irritates me. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:- Heh, I didn't even think about whether it was entirely genuine or not, though something did seem off about it. Well, get us the right picture then damn it! :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==HK21==<br />
HK21 should have its own page since it has four variants of its own.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fully automatic? ==<br />
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Is the g3 when fired on fully automatic jumpy and hard to control like the FAL? Since both fire the same round.--P226<br />
:depends on your level of training and experience. I have friends who use M14, G3, FN FAL in full auto competitions and they all find the various rifles controlable. Yeah the recoil is heavier than a 5.56mm weapon but for most combat ranges the weapons are effective on full auto. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== HK51? ==<br />
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There are only a few pages on the site that feature this gun so it isn't really that important, but isn't the term HK51 wrong? The original manufacturer of this variant was the UK fire FR Ordnance who made three variants (MC51, MC51SD and MC51K) for British special forces. It was later manufactured by Imperial Defence Services after they bought up FR Ordnance. Isn't the term HK51 just a made up name for after-market modifications to G3s to replicate the MC51, so surely the original term is more appropriate? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:35, 31 August 2011 (CDT)<br />
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Some people seem to have the notion that the "MC51" was an airsoft original, so you'll have to deal with them first before this gets setteled. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:12, 31 August 2011 (CDT)<br />
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No the term HK51 is apropriate as that is the term most commonly used by the manufacturers of such weapons used by the film industry. While I am familiar with the term MC51 its not the correct title for anything in the American film industry. Such as the Flemming HK51K used in Marked for Death. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 13:35, 29 January 2012 (CST)<br />
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== PSG ==<br />
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Since the PSG is its own weapon and not a Variant of the G3, doesn't it warrant it's own page? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 08:17, 25 December 2011 (CST)<br />
:Not really, it's still fundamentally a G3, just with some modifications. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 9:52, 1/18/2011 (PST)<br />
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== SR9s ==<br />
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There are a few pages on here that say something like "This gun is actually a conversion of an HK91, like all of the SR9s seen in Hollywood movies" (this is from the ''[[Under Siege 2: Dark Territory]]'' page before I changed it). Is this true, as that makes no sense to me. The SR9 was a version of the G3 that was made ''specifically'' for the US market, so why would all models of it in Hollywood movies be mock ups? There were only about 4,000 made so it is relatively rare I will grant you, but I'm pretty sure rarer guns that this still turn up in films and TV. In some cases though, including the example above, you can tell that it is actually a genuine SR9 as it has the rounded handguard, which was unique to the SR9 rifles. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:22, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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:That is what MoviePropMaster2008 told me a long time ago - there are no genuine SR9s in Hollywood armories, just HK91s converted to SR9 specification. Since he's an armorer himself, I imagine he would have a pretty good idea of what he's talking about. As for the hand guard, that's not the best way to tell. You have to look at other details, like the lower receiver (many of the mock-up SR9s in movies have the standard HK91 trigger pack instead of the SR9 version). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:11, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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::MPM did personally ID [[Point_Blank_(1998)#Heckler_.26_Koch_SR9TC|an SR9]] in a page I finished, so there is at least one out there. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:17, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
:::I think there is alot of confusion about this variant, as on the ''[[G.I. Jane]]'' page is says it can't be a genuine SR9 as it has no forward assist. The SR9 didn't have a forward assist as it is purely a HK91 with different furniture and a few other tweaks to get around the assault weapons ban. From what i have seen from a quick look around here, most of the weapons that are likely a genuine SR9 (have the rounded handguard without the grooves along with the correct) appear to be SR9(T)s. Don't know if they are literally the same prop being used or whether this was just the most popular version. A this is the version that uses an MSG-90 stock, I think this would make it wore likely to be a genuine weapon, as to build it you would first need to have an SR9 handguard (which I'm assuming there are only as many as there were SR9s), and then the stock from an even rarer weapon (assuming it is rare in the US as it has never appeared in anything other than games). for reference, below are the genuine SR9 variants.<br />
:::[[File:Sr9 real.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SR9]]<br />
:::[[File:Sr9t real.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SR9(T)]]<br />
:::[[File:Sr9tc.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SR9(TC)]]<br />
:::I don't know if the thumbhole stock SR9 has appeared in anything, but a (TC) fitted with a HK91 forend and bipod was the rifle used in ''[[Sniper]]''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:19, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think this debate is somewhat moot, but here are some things to keep in mind:<br />
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::::*Yes, you are correct that SR9s didn't have a forward assist, but MPM has specifically told me that most of the SR9s imported to the U.S. (there were 4,000 made, but some of them were sold in other countries, so the number imported here is much lower) were just HK91 conversions, because none of Hollywood's armories were able to get their hands on the real weapons before collectors snatched them up. Also, looking at the hand guard is a BAD way to tell whether the weapon is an HK91 conversion or not, because that feature is easily replaceable (I've seen HKPRO members whose HK91s have the SR9 hand guard, or SR9s with the HK91 hand guard, in topics on the HKPRO message board).<br />
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::::*If you're going by the hand guard as the identifying characteristic of genuine SR9s, why is the SR9(TC) from ''[[Sniper]]'' a genuine example? It has an HK91 hand guard and bipod (not features of the factory), and I seem to remember MPM telling me that he knows for sure that the rifle from ''[[Sniper]]'' is a converted HK91. You can ask him how he knows this (I assume he knows the armorer from that movie).<br />
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::::*One of the other things you should look for, as I mentioned beforehand, is the trigger group. There are many faux "SR9s" in movies that have the S-F trigger group (found on factory HK91s) instead of the 0-1 trigger group (which is found on factory SR9s). If you see an "SR9" in a movie that has an S-F trigger group, that's the easiest way to know that you're looking at an HK91 converted to SR9 specs (the most obvious example is the SR9(T) from ''[[The Replacement Killers]]'', where the lower receiver is shown close-up during a scene in which the rifle is assembled by [[Til Schweiger]]'s character). Not all of the Hollywood SR9s have the incorrect trigger group, but even that doesn't mean that the rifle is genuine; it just means that it is a more accurate SR9 conversion (MPM2008's personal rifles, which he photographed for our site, both have 0-1 trigger groups, and he converted them from HK91s himself). The same might be true of the SR9s in ''[[Under Siege 2: Dark Territory]]'' and ''[[G.I. Jane]]'' (both of which seem to have the 0-1 trigger group).<br />
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::::*I'm not entirely sure why we're having this debate. Although we made a note on the G3 page under the SR9 entry that most SR9s are just HK91 conversions, we do not tend to label SR9 mock-ups as such (we just call them "SR9s", since that's what they appear to be on-camera). The only thing I know is what MPM tells me, and he is pretty familiar with the habits of American armorers. So if he tells me that there are almost no genuine SR9 variants floating around the industry, I tend to trust him.<br />
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::::Of course, what MPM says applies ''only'' to American armorers. It's possible that there are genuine SR9s sitting in the inventories of armories in Canada, Europe, Asia, etc. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:01, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Also, if anyone here has ''[[Sniper]]'' on Blu-Ray or even DVD, it would be much appreciated if they would watch the movie and identify the trigger group on [[Billy Zane]]'s rifle. I haven't seen ''[[Sniper]]'' in a long time, but I seem to remember several scenes where the rifle's lower receiver is shown close-up when Zane's finger is on the trigger (but I never paid attention the lower receiver because I didn't know what I know now, or care). Sadly, the single screencap we have on the page for ''[[Sniper]]'' is inadequate for solving this puzzle. If his rifle has the S-F trigger group, we'll know it's a converted HK91 instead of a real SR9. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:07, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
::::::''Sniper'' is Netflix instant view right now. I'll take a look. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:19, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
To address MT2008 points:<br />
*I don't think that is true about the number of SR9s imported into the US being "much lower" than 4000. The SR9 was made specifically for the US market so I don't know why it would be sold in significant numbers anywhere else. The number I have frequently seen quoted on forums and the like for the number of SR9s imported into the US is between 3000 and 4000. In fact, I was always under the impression that all SR9s were imported to the US at the default spec, and some of these (no idea on numbers hereAs for the handguard being a poor means of identification, I don't agree with this in the case of this rifle. As this handguard was sepecific to this particular rifle, it is different to slapping a round handguard onto a M16A1 and calling it an A2. Unless companies now make copies of the SR9 handguard in significant numbers, there are pretty much the same number of SR9 handguards out there as there are SR9s, so the way I see it is if you are looking at an SR9 handguard it is more likely than not attached to an SR9.<br />
*Maybe the ''Sniper'' gun was a converted HK91, I have no way of knowing. I read that from [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9:the-sr9-series&catid=14:distinctly-american-imports&Itemid=5 HKPRO's World of HK] and have also seen it stated in a few other places. They might all be sharing the same incorrect source on this though, so it could very well be an HK91. However, it was MPM2008 who [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Sniper_%281993%29&diff=22629&oldid=20371 identified this as an SR9TC] on the page in the first place.<br />
*Agree with you on the trigger group thing. As you can also get aftermarket 0/1 trigger groups for the HK91 I would not use this as the sole indicator as to whether it was an SR9 as opposed to a modded HK91. Would therefore also agree that a rifle with and S/F selector was not an SR9, for example the one in the ''[[The Jackal]]'' (which looks nothing like an SR9 to me, more like an HK91 mocked up as an MSG90 with a PSG1 stock).<br />
*The reason I asked the question was that there were a number of page here that stated that there were no genuine SR9s in movies, which seemed like an incorrect statement as in my opinion there at least seems to be SR9(T)s in several films. Call me picky, but I think it is worth distinguishing between genuine guns and those that are a mock up. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:42, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:Sniper_HK_01.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]<br />
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:I got a sightlier earlier shot where you can see the markings, which I think proves it it a genuine SR9 (not necessarily a TC, but an SR9 of some sort). <br />
:[[File:Sniper SR9 markings.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]<br />
:The top line of the markings on an HK91, with X's representing the seriel number digits in "HK91 A0XXXXX", wheras on an SR9 the markings are "SR9 46-00XXXX". You can just about make out the "46", and if not that you can at least tell that it isnt "HK91". Also, the second line of the marking is too long for an HK91 which is "Cal..308" as opposed to the longer "HK Cal.7.62x51" on the SR9. I'm not saying this means every potential SR9 is one, just that this particular gun is a genuine SR9. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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::OK, it looks like I was wrong about something - apparently, H&K switched to the 0-1 trigger pack on ALL of its civilian long guns at some point in the 1980s (later-model HK91s, 93s, and 94s also have it), including the HK91s that MPM photographed from his inventory. But the S-F trigger pack was abandoned before the introduction of the SR9, which means that if you do see an "SR9" with an S-F lower in a movie or TV show, you are most definitely looking at a conversion of an older HK91 (the other way around, it's not so obvious).<br />
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::Point taken on the hand guards, and also the ID of the ''[[Sniper]]'' SR9. As far as the issue goes, maybe we should weaken the language of the page to say that '''most''' SR9s seen in Hollywood are HK91 conversions, leaving open the possibility that there are some genuine examples floating around in the industry. Again, I can only defer to MPM's expertise because I'm not an armorer. But when he posted his SR9 pictures, he specifically told me that his guns are converted HK91s and that this is standard practice in the industry because armorers didn't buy any of the ones imported to the U.S. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:45, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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== How to tell the difference between an HK91 and SR9? ==<br />
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Since it would appear that a lot of the parts are interchangeable and that H&K was inconsistent on a few features, is there a sure-fire way to determine whether or not a rifle is a converted HK91 or a genuine SR9? (Short of having an armorer chime in or a picture of the serial number, of course.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
:The SR9's barrel lacks threading to attach a flash hider or sound suppressor. Also the magazine well will be engraved either SR9 or SR9T instead of HK91. Last but not least SR9's are rarely imitated, as they had a rather unusual looking thumb hole stock, the look that is usually imitated is that of the SR9T which had the PSG1 pistol grip and the MSG90 stock.[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 14:12, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
::Edit: The discussion above me actually does a better job explaining the differences, but it would seem that the barrel would be the easiest way to tell as that is the only part that I have not seen on other versions of the G3 (the PSG1 barrel is longer, and most other versions have a flash hider of some sort attached).[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 14:25, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
Using the barrel is not 100% accurate, the guns pictured in the SR9 section are mock ups and they have the apparently correct 20" unthreaded barrel (genuine SR9 barrels have polygonal rifling rather than grooves but I doubt you could ever see this in a movie/show). I believe that in addition to the SR9s that were imported H&K also imported SR9 barrels, as well as the fact that a number of companies make after-market unthreaded 20" barrels. I assume that if a rifle has the correct unique to the SR9 handguard (and stock if the base model) it is probably genuine, but would have to look at the markings to know for sure. Particularly when you take into account that not only could SR9s be fitted with standard furniture, they were in fact shipped with the HK91 stock and handguard at various points. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:04, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
:What about barrel thickness? [[Homicide:_Life_on_the_Street#Heckler_.26_Koch_SR9|This one]] has what would appear to be a bull barrel. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:51, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
::That looks too thick to me to be a genuine SR9 barrel, could just be a regular HK91 barrel with a sleeve over it or a heavier after-market barrel. Another thing to bear in mind with SR9s is that of the 4000 that were made only 125 were the TC configuration with the PSG-1 stock, so odds are that if you are seeing a rifle with a PSG-1 stock it is a mock up in one way or another. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:24, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
:::Well, I was just guessing. But that goes to my original point: If everything is modular, is there any practical way to tell? From what I can tell, handguards, pistol grips, stocks, trigger groups and barrels can come in various configurations. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:42, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
::::Apart from the format of the markings, no (see the above topic). However, as the handguard that the genuine SR9 rifles use is unique to them and as far as I know nobody makes a replica of it, I use this as a general rule as the whether something is likely to be genuine. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
:::::Alright. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:08, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
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== Ak4 difference ==<br />
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So, is there really any difference between the Ak4 and the ordinary G3(A3?) I saw what looked like a brass deflector on the Ak4 OR, but otherwise i can't tell if there's anything new on it, externally atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:15, 17 October 2015 (EDT)<br />
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:I think all models have the brass deflector (except early ones), and the Ak4s visibly also have a slightly longer stock, scalloped bolt carrier, S-P-A selector markings, a couple of reinforcing dimples behind the front trigger housing pin, an all metal charging handle, and maybe a couple of other things that I am forgetting. Non visibly, there are also some internal differences such as modifications under the handguard to allow an M203, a heavier recoil buffer in the stock, a less rattly mechanism for the magazine release, and different dioptre sight markings. I believe that a few of these differences (at least bolt carrier, stock and charging handle) are used on other nationality versions like the Danish G3A5 and Norwegian AG3. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:00, 18 October 2015 (EDT)<br />
::That was more than i expected. Thanks!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:06, 18 October 2015 (EDT)<br />
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== Earliest appearance in American media ==<br />
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I got the DVDs for Season 3 of ''The Man from UNCLE'' today, and as I was flipping through the first disc, in episode two, I saw an UNCLE agent with HK91. In a episode that aired in 1966! Is that the earliest appearance of any G3/HK91 variant? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 23:06, 28 January 2016 (EST)<br />
:Most likely this is the earliest appearance. The only other show from the 60's that I know of to use these rifles is ''Jericho'', which also aired in 1966. I'm guessing that these aren't select fire G3s, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK41 HK41] rifles, imported to the U.S. For the civilian market, since they would have been easier to obtain.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:02, 29 January 2016 (EST)</div>Phillb36https://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Heckler_%26_Koch_G3&diff=998913Talk:Heckler & Koch G32016-01-29T06:02:16Z<p>Phillb36: </p>
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=Image gallery - OTHER variants of the G3=<br />
[[Image:G3a3zf.jpg|thumb|425px|none|G3A3ZF with Hensoldt 4x24 optical sight - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[File:BeltFedHK51.jpg|thumb|none|425px|Volmer HK51]]<br />
[[Image:HK41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|HK41 with slimline handguard (1974 model as noted by its gloss black finish and lack of paddle magazine release or push-pin lower) - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[File:G3 Namibian.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Namibian G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:Swedishak4hkg3a3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The original Swedish version of the H&K G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO under the Swedish designation "Ak 4". It was used first by the Swedish Armed Forces from the early 1960's until replaced in the late 1980's by the "Ak 5" (A variant [[FN FNC]]). The Ak 4 was then taken over by the Swedish Home Guard.]]<br />
[[Image:Ak4b.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The further Swedish modified H&K G3A3 fitted with a rail and red-point sight under the Swedish name "Ak 4B". This is the latest version of the Ak 4.]]<br />
[[File:Norwegian AG3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AG3, Norwegian variant of the Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO. This variant has a slightly longer stock, a different bayonet lug, and a semi circular dent in the bolt carrier to assist in manually closing the bolt.]]<br />
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=Discussion=<br />
Picture of the G3 SG/1 is incorrect, the German army G3 SG/1 was fitted with a smaller non illuminated scope on a H&K proprietary "claw" type mounting, and has complicated "set" trigger mechanism visible as a second "trigger" behind the normal trigger.<br />
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==G3A3 photo is wrong==<br />
The G3A3 photo with the green furniture has been bugging me for a while. The G3A2-A3 rifles always had metal lowers. The Navy style all plastic lower is not an HK G3A2 or A3 lower. That photo is of the American clone, the Vektor arms copy of the G3/HK91. I'm going to photograph a REAL G3A3 soon with the proper furniture since that shot really irritates me. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:- Heh, I didn't even think about whether it was entirely genuine or not, though something did seem off about it. Well, get us the right picture then damn it! :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==HK21==<br />
HK21 should have its own page since it has four variants of its own.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fully automatic? ==<br />
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Is the g3 when fired on fully automatic jumpy and hard to control like the FAL? Since both fire the same round.--P226<br />
:depends on your level of training and experience. I have friends who use M14, G3, FN FAL in full auto competitions and they all find the various rifles controlable. Yeah the recoil is heavier than a 5.56mm weapon but for most combat ranges the weapons are effective on full auto. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== HK51? ==<br />
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There are only a few pages on the site that feature this gun so it isn't really that important, but isn't the term HK51 wrong? The original manufacturer of this variant was the UK fire FR Ordnance who made three variants (MC51, MC51SD and MC51K) for British special forces. It was later manufactured by Imperial Defence Services after they bought up FR Ordnance. Isn't the term HK51 just a made up name for after-market modifications to G3s to replicate the MC51, so surely the original term is more appropriate? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:35, 31 August 2011 (CDT)<br />
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Some people seem to have the notion that the "MC51" was an airsoft original, so you'll have to deal with them first before this gets setteled. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:12, 31 August 2011 (CDT)<br />
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No the term HK51 is apropriate as that is the term most commonly used by the manufacturers of such weapons used by the film industry. While I am familiar with the term MC51 its not the correct title for anything in the American film industry. Such as the Flemming HK51K used in Marked for Death. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 13:35, 29 January 2012 (CST)<br />
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== PSG ==<br />
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Since the PSG is its own weapon and not a Variant of the G3, doesn't it warrant it's own page? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 08:17, 25 December 2011 (CST)<br />
:Not really, it's still fundamentally a G3, just with some modifications. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 9:52, 1/18/2011 (PST)<br />
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== SR9s ==<br />
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There are a few pages on here that say something like "This gun is actually a conversion of an HK91, like all of the SR9s seen in Hollywood movies" (this is from the ''[[Under Siege 2: Dark Territory]]'' page before I changed it). Is this true, as that makes no sense to me. The SR9 was a version of the G3 that was made ''specifically'' for the US market, so why would all models of it in Hollywood movies be mock ups? There were only about 4,000 made so it is relatively rare I will grant you, but I'm pretty sure rarer guns that this still turn up in films and TV. In some cases though, including the example above, you can tell that it is actually a genuine SR9 as it has the rounded handguard, which was unique to the SR9 rifles. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:22, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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:That is what MoviePropMaster2008 told me a long time ago - there are no genuine SR9s in Hollywood armories, just HK91s converted to SR9 specification. Since he's an armorer himself, I imagine he would have a pretty good idea of what he's talking about. As for the hand guard, that's not the best way to tell. You have to look at other details, like the lower receiver (many of the mock-up SR9s in movies have the standard HK91 trigger pack instead of the SR9 version). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:11, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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::MPM did personally ID [[Point_Blank_(1998)#Heckler_.26_Koch_SR9TC|an SR9]] in a page I finished, so there is at least one out there. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:17, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
:::I think there is alot of confusion about this variant, as on the ''[[G.I. Jane]]'' page is says it can't be a genuine SR9 as it has no forward assist. The SR9 didn't have a forward assist as it is purely a HK91 with different furniture and a few other tweaks to get around the assault weapons ban. From what i have seen from a quick look around here, most of the weapons that are likely a genuine SR9 (have the rounded handguard without the grooves along with the correct) appear to be SR9(T)s. Don't know if they are literally the same prop being used or whether this was just the most popular version. A this is the version that uses an MSG-90 stock, I think this would make it wore likely to be a genuine weapon, as to build it you would first need to have an SR9 handguard (which I'm assuming there are only as many as there were SR9s), and then the stock from an even rarer weapon (assuming it is rare in the US as it has never appeared in anything other than games). for reference, below are the genuine SR9 variants.<br />
:::[[File:Sr9 real.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SR9]]<br />
:::[[File:Sr9t real.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SR9(T)]]<br />
:::[[File:Sr9tc.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SR9(TC)]]<br />
:::I don't know if the thumbhole stock SR9 has appeared in anything, but a (TC) fitted with a HK91 forend and bipod was the rifle used in ''[[Sniper]]''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:19, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think this debate is somewhat moot, but here are some things to keep in mind:<br />
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::::*Yes, you are correct that SR9s didn't have a forward assist, but MPM has specifically told me that most of the SR9s imported to the U.S. (there were 4,000 made, but some of them were sold in other countries, so the number imported here is much lower) were just HK91 conversions, because none of Hollywood's armories were able to get their hands on the real weapons before collectors snatched them up. Also, looking at the hand guard is a BAD way to tell whether the weapon is an HK91 conversion or not, because that feature is easily replaceable (I've seen HKPRO members whose HK91s have the SR9 hand guard, or SR9s with the HK91 hand guard, in topics on the HKPRO message board).<br />
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::::*If you're going by the hand guard as the identifying characteristic of genuine SR9s, why is the SR9(TC) from ''[[Sniper]]'' a genuine example? It has an HK91 hand guard and bipod (not features of the factory), and I seem to remember MPM telling me that he knows for sure that the rifle from ''[[Sniper]]'' is a converted HK91. You can ask him how he knows this (I assume he knows the armorer from that movie).<br />
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::::*One of the other things you should look for, as I mentioned beforehand, is the trigger group. There are many faux "SR9s" in movies that have the S-F trigger group (found on factory HK91s) instead of the 0-1 trigger group (which is found on factory SR9s). If you see an "SR9" in a movie that has an S-F trigger group, that's the easiest way to know that you're looking at an HK91 converted to SR9 specs (the most obvious example is the SR9(T) from ''[[The Replacement Killers]]'', where the lower receiver is shown close-up during a scene in which the rifle is assembled by [[Til Schweiger]]'s character). Not all of the Hollywood SR9s have the incorrect trigger group, but even that doesn't mean that the rifle is genuine; it just means that it is a more accurate SR9 conversion (MPM2008's personal rifles, which he photographed for our site, both have 0-1 trigger groups, and he converted them from HK91s himself). The same might be true of the SR9s in ''[[Under Siege 2: Dark Territory]]'' and ''[[G.I. Jane]]'' (both of which seem to have the 0-1 trigger group).<br />
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::::*I'm not entirely sure why we're having this debate. Although we made a note on the G3 page under the SR9 entry that most SR9s are just HK91 conversions, we do not tend to label SR9 mock-ups as such (we just call them "SR9s", since that's what they appear to be on-camera). The only thing I know is what MPM tells me, and he is pretty familiar with the habits of American armorers. So if he tells me that there are almost no genuine SR9 variants floating around the industry, I tend to trust him.<br />
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::::Of course, what MPM says applies ''only'' to American armorers. It's possible that there are genuine SR9s sitting in the inventories of armories in Canada, Europe, Asia, etc. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:01, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Also, if anyone here has ''[[Sniper]]'' on Blu-Ray or even DVD, it would be much appreciated if they would watch the movie and identify the trigger group on [[Billy Zane]]'s rifle. I haven't seen ''[[Sniper]]'' in a long time, but I seem to remember several scenes where the rifle's lower receiver is shown close-up when Zane's finger is on the trigger (but I never paid attention the lower receiver because I didn't know what I know now, or care). Sadly, the single screencap we have on the page for ''[[Sniper]]'' is inadequate for solving this puzzle. If his rifle has the S-F trigger group, we'll know it's a converted HK91 instead of a real SR9. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:07, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
::::::''Sniper'' is Netflix instant view right now. I'll take a look. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:19, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
To address MT2008 points:<br />
*I don't think that is true about the number of SR9s imported into the US being "much lower" than 4000. The SR9 was made specifically for the US market so I don't know why it would be sold in significant numbers anywhere else. The number I have frequently seen quoted on forums and the like for the number of SR9s imported into the US is between 3000 and 4000. In fact, I was always under the impression that all SR9s were imported to the US at the default spec, and some of these (no idea on numbers hereAs for the handguard being a poor means of identification, I don't agree with this in the case of this rifle. As this handguard was sepecific to this particular rifle, it is different to slapping a round handguard onto a M16A1 and calling it an A2. Unless companies now make copies of the SR9 handguard in significant numbers, there are pretty much the same number of SR9 handguards out there as there are SR9s, so the way I see it is if you are looking at an SR9 handguard it is more likely than not attached to an SR9.<br />
*Maybe the ''Sniper'' gun was a converted HK91, I have no way of knowing. I read that from [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9:the-sr9-series&catid=14:distinctly-american-imports&Itemid=5 HKPRO's World of HK] and have also seen it stated in a few other places. They might all be sharing the same incorrect source on this though, so it could very well be an HK91. However, it was MPM2008 who [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Sniper_%281993%29&diff=22629&oldid=20371 identified this as an SR9TC] on the page in the first place.<br />
*Agree with you on the trigger group thing. As you can also get aftermarket 0/1 trigger groups for the HK91 I would not use this as the sole indicator as to whether it was an SR9 as opposed to a modded HK91. Would therefore also agree that a rifle with and S/F selector was not an SR9, for example the one in the ''[[The Jackal]]'' (which looks nothing like an SR9 to me, more like an HK91 mocked up as an MSG90 with a PSG1 stock).<br />
*The reason I asked the question was that there were a number of page here that stated that there were no genuine SR9s in movies, which seemed like an incorrect statement as in my opinion there at least seems to be SR9(T)s in several films. Call me picky, but I think it is worth distinguishing between genuine guns and those that are a mock up. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:42, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:Sniper_HK_01.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]<br />
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:I got a sightlier earlier shot where you can see the markings, which I think proves it it a genuine SR9 (not necessarily a TC, but an SR9 of some sort). <br />
:[[File:Sniper SR9 markings.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]<br />
:The top line of the markings on an HK91, with X's representing the seriel number digits in "HK91 A0XXXXX", wheras on an SR9 the markings are "SR9 46-00XXXX". You can just about make out the "46", and if not that you can at least tell that it isnt "HK91". Also, the second line of the marking is too long for an HK91 which is "Cal..308" as opposed to the longer "HK Cal.7.62x51" on the SR9. I'm not saying this means every potential SR9 is one, just that this particular gun is a genuine SR9. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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::OK, it looks like I was wrong about something - apparently, H&K switched to the 0-1 trigger pack on ALL of its civilian long guns at some point in the 1980s (later-model HK91s, 93s, and 94s also have it), including the HK91s that MPM photographed from his inventory. But the S-F trigger pack was abandoned before the introduction of the SR9, which means that if you do see an "SR9" with an S-F lower in a movie or TV show, you are most definitely looking at a conversion of an older HK91 (the other way around, it's not so obvious).<br />
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::Point taken on the hand guards, and also the ID of the ''[[Sniper]]'' SR9. As far as the issue goes, maybe we should weaken the language of the page to say that '''most''' SR9s seen in Hollywood are HK91 conversions, leaving open the possibility that there are some genuine examples floating around in the industry. Again, I can only defer to MPM's expertise because I'm not an armorer. But when he posted his SR9 pictures, he specifically told me that his guns are converted HK91s and that this is standard practice in the industry because armorers didn't buy any of the ones imported to the U.S. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:45, 20 March 2012 (CDT)<br />
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== How to tell the difference between an HK91 and SR9? ==<br />
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Since it would appear that a lot of the parts are interchangeable and that H&K was inconsistent on a few features, is there a sure-fire way to determine whether or not a rifle is a converted HK91 or a genuine SR9? (Short of having an armorer chime in or a picture of the serial number, of course.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
:The SR9's barrel lacks threading to attach a flash hider or sound suppressor. Also the magazine well will be engraved either SR9 or SR9T instead of HK91. Last but not least SR9's are rarely imitated, as they had a rather unusual looking thumb hole stock, the look that is usually imitated is that of the SR9T which had the PSG1 pistol grip and the MSG90 stock.[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 14:12, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
::Edit: The discussion above me actually does a better job explaining the differences, but it would seem that the barrel would be the easiest way to tell as that is the only part that I have not seen on other versions of the G3 (the PSG1 barrel is longer, and most other versions have a flash hider of some sort attached).[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 14:25, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
Using the barrel is not 100% accurate, the guns pictured in the SR9 section are mock ups and they have the apparently correct 20" unthreaded barrel (genuine SR9 barrels have polygonal rifling rather than grooves but I doubt you could ever see this in a movie/show). I believe that in addition to the SR9s that were imported H&K also imported SR9 barrels, as well as the fact that a number of companies make after-market unthreaded 20" barrels. I assume that if a rifle has the correct unique to the SR9 handguard (and stock if the base model) it is probably genuine, but would have to look at the markings to know for sure. Particularly when you take into account that not only could SR9s be fitted with standard furniture, they were in fact shipped with the HK91 stock and handguard at various points. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:04, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
:What about barrel thickness? [[Homicide:_Life_on_the_Street#Heckler_.26_Koch_SR9|This one]] has what would appear to be a bull barrel. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:51, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
::That looks too thick to me to be a genuine SR9 barrel, could just be a regular HK91 barrel with a sleeve over it or a heavier after-market barrel. Another thing to bear in mind with SR9s is that of the 4000 that were made only 125 were the TC configuration with the PSG-1 stock, so odds are that if you are seeing a rifle with a PSG-1 stock it is a mock up in one way or another. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:24, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
:::Well, I was just guessing. But that goes to my original point: If everything is modular, is there any practical way to tell? From what I can tell, handguards, pistol grips, stocks, trigger groups and barrels can come in various configurations. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:42, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
::::Apart from the format of the markings, no (see the above topic). However, as the handguard that the genuine SR9 rifles use is unique to them and as far as I know nobody makes a replica of it, I use this as a general rule as the whether something is likely to be genuine. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:52, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
:::::Alright. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:08, 9 May 2012 (CDT)<br />
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== Ak4 difference ==<br />
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So, is there really any difference between the Ak4 and the ordinary G3(A3?) I saw what looked like a brass deflector on the Ak4 OR, but otherwise i can't tell if there's anything new on it, externally atleast.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:15, 17 October 2015 (EDT)<br />
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:I think all models have the brass deflector (except early ones), and the Ak4s visibly also have a slightly longer stock, scalloped bolt carrier, S-P-A selector markings, a couple of reinforcing dimples behind the front trigger housing pin, an all metal charging handle, and maybe a couple of other things that I am forgetting. Non visibly, there are also some internal differences such as modifications under the handguard to allow an M203, a heavier recoil buffer in the stock, a less rattly mechanism for the magazine release, and different dioptre sight markings. I believe that a few of these differences (at least bolt carrier, stock and charging handle) are used on other nationality versions like the Danish G3A5 and Norwegian AG3. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:00, 18 October 2015 (EDT)<br />
::That was more than i expected. Thanks!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:06, 18 October 2015 (EDT)<br />
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== Earliest appearance in American media ==<br />
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I got the DVDs for Season 3 of ''The Man from UNCLE'' today, and as I was flipping through the first disc, in episode two, I saw an UNCLE agent with HK91. In a episode that aired in 1966! Is that the earliest appearance of any G3/HK91 variant? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 23:06, 28 January 2016 (EST)<br />
:Most likely this is the earliest appearance. The only other show from the 60's that I know of to use these rifles is ''Jericho'', which also aired in 1966. I'm guessing that these aren't select fire G3s, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK41|HK41 HK41] rifles, imported to the U.S. For the civilian market, since they would have been easier to obtain.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 01:02, 29 January 2016 (EST)</div>Phillb36